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[Vicky<3]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

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I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
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Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

_____

I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
_____

Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

The deleted post was restored.

 

[Pammy]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

_____

I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
_____

Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

HP created forum posts multiple times to accept feedback and to encourage people to give criticism.

One example:

Now, it would also be a good idea before the end of the material year, to start another conversation.

This would be over things where you think there should be improvement or constitute mistakes.

Another example: Feedback/Recommendations/Complaints

Before one Yule, or another Holiday, I remember he made a topic asking us to criticise him so he can improve the next year. I tried to find the post, but when I searched ''feedback'' and ''criticism'' on his profile, there are hundreds of posts. I couldn't find the one I was searching for. Search this, there are maybe hundreds of ''Thank you for your feedback.''

I don't know who you are referring to, but a member or a few others you can't get along with are neither the representative of the community nor the proof that this community is not healthy. People have freedom of opinion, and they are going to have attitudes you don't like, and this is something we have to live with. If anyone is representing the community, it is HP, and he always accepts feedback and criticism respectfully given.

Anyone can create a forum account. There will be weirdos, delusional people, arrogant people, someone you clash constantly because both of your natures are not compatible, and they will have freedom of speech. Don't take them seriously unless it is someone who gained your respect. Sometimes there will be someone you are not compatible with, your stars don't align, these things happen.

Even you, at the moment, can cause a newbie to come here and think ''What is this, anime pfp? Are these all kids?'' and leave. Actually, someone told me something like this years ago when I had a different profile picture. This is a wrong approach to forums. If someone is, let's say, disrespectful and arrogant to you, that's on them. If you choose to have a pink haired girl in your profile picture, that's your right to express yourself. Don't take people too seriously. They are not representing the whole organisation. The organisation in question welcomes feedback.

 

[Renita]

you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

You say that, yet when you are told you are wrong you go off about how everyone is irritating you just because they had a different opinion.

No one ever said the forums or ToZ are perfect, but it is much better than other religious organizations. If you don't like our rules and community go ahead and find some place else.

It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape.

You are missing the point. Advancement looks different depending on each person, but everyone will grow their understanding of the Truth. What that statement means is essentially that things become clearer as you advance due to a clearer mind and a deeper connection to the universal consciousness and Gods. Due to this growth in the mind, everything makes a clearer sense.

 

[newestwarrior666]

Although I sympathize with some of your sentiments, I do think that it's an overreaction to ditch the TOZ entirely if spiritual empowerment is important to you. Clashing with others is an inevitability on a forum, and generalizing an entire community off of it is just as much a mistake. At the end of the day, everyone on this journey is still human and is subject to everything that comes with that to some degree. TOZ is not perfect, but the spiritual information that's made available is important enough to transcend that in my opinion. There's nothing stopping any one of us from verifying anything with our own spiritual growth and experience with the help of the Gods.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

When you are close to the Gods, as High Priest is, you can know Truth and are free from ignorance.

Where ordinary humans are often wrong about many things, ignorant and double ignorant, someone close to the Truth is practically never wrong, and if they do not know something, they don't try to speculate, they simply don't speak on it to avoid sharing falsehoods.

We are on the path to approach Truth through approaching the Gods. This is what happens with advancement. The more one advances, the closer you will be to truth. Therefore, the advanced person indeed will very rarely be wrong, or never be wrong at all at a certain point. Every word spoken becomes absolute truth at a certain point of advancement.

This is not cult of personality, it is simply reality. Cult of personality is believing in Elon Musk like he is a messiah, while he is just a man with success in some particular business, but nothing special besides that.

These are dishonest criticisms, stemming from emotional outburst over essentially nothing serious.

Do reflect on yourself a bit first before winding up like this, if there are things you are dissatisfied with there are legitimate ways to give critique, rather than go into an emotional reactionary spiral like this.

We have never been people who rejected valid criticism, or pretended to be perfect. As people on the Path to Godhead, we understand better than anyone our position on the ladder to perfection.


I will have to give a defense of High Priestess Maxine here however, since you misunderstand things changing as if proof she had made mistakes.

High Priestess Maxine wrote and created exactly what was needed to bring us together and drag the Gods out of the false darkness the enemy had cast over them in the subconscious of man. She in fact had done that perfectly, and did not make any mistakes.

The reason things change now is because the Gods are fully restored, knowledge on them is becoming more complete, so we can more accurately represent them as they truly are, rather than in limited context as they were known before.

All the core of the ToZ is no different from what High Priestess Maxine had always known, and had written. The prior state was necessary to first bring Them to light, and to bridge the gap between enemy context and the original Truth of the Gods that had been hidden and veiled by falsehoods and endless slander.

Now thanks to High Priestess Maxine, and the following work by High Priest HoodedCobra, we have full context of knowledge and complete understanding of the entire context surrounding the Spiritual Path, what it originally is, what happened to it under enemy context, and how everything ties together in the complete picture.

Therefore, no mistakes were made by High Priestess, she wrote exactly what was necessary, even if she knew and understood much more than she could share.

 

[Pammy]

Onu diyen koruyucu meleğindi yalnız.

Welcome back, brother.

 

[Vicky<3]

HP created forum posts multiple times to accept feedback and to encourage people to give criticism.

One example:


Another example: Feedback/Recommendations/Complaints

Before one Yule, or another Holiday, I remember he made a topic asking us to criticise him so he can improve the next year. I tried to find the post, but when I searched ''feedback'' and ''criticism'' on his profile, there are hundreds of posts. I couldn't find the one I was searching for. Search this, there are maybe hundreds of ''Thank you for your feedback.''

I don't know who you are referring to, but a member or a few others you can't get along with are neither the representative of the community nor the proof that this community is not healthy. People have freedom of opinion, and they are going to have attitudes you don't like, and this is something we have to live with. If anyone is representing the community, it is HP, and he always accepts feedback and criticism respectfully given.

Anyone can create a forum account. There will be weirdos, delusional people, arrogant people, someone you clash constantly because both of your natures are not compatible, and they will have freedom of speech. Don't take them seriously unless it is someone who gained your respect. Sometimes there will be someone you are not compatible with, your stars don't align, these things happen.

Even you, at the moment, can cause a newbie to come here and think ''What is this, anime pfp? Are these all kids?'' and leave. Actually, someone told me something like this years ago when I had a different profile picture. This is a wrong approach to forums. If someone is, let's say, disrespectful and arrogant to you, that's on them. If you choose to have a pink haired girl in your profile picture, that's your right to express yourself. Don't take people too seriously. They are not representing the whole organisation. The organisation in question welcomes feedback.

I'd say Cobra himself isn't the problem here. If he was, I'd have no problem calling him out for it. His sycophants are the problem, those people who think calling him human is a blasphemy. If you can't accept something so obvious, that a person regardless of how great they are or how great you think they are is still a person, then you're simply cooked.

I'm not here to appease to people, like this forum has in it's rebranding. The people who see my pfp and make those kinds of excuses to leave were never meant to be here, just like I'm not. Are we to force people to stay, even though this isn't where they belong? Should we coddle everyone with a sugar coating of reality until we all suffer from diabetes? No. Not everyone is meant to be here, many are meant to suffer in their own manifested Tartarus, and others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

You can't save people from themselves, at least you can't do it willingly.

 

[Renita]

others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

"Outgrown", you mean never even tried to do something for their own good or at least for the Gods? You don't have to be on the forums constantly (even though it does build reputation and shows that you are a real part of this community and not just a random); however, you must realize that this is the only place where you will ever achieve anything real and not just another delusional dream spoon fed by the jews.

I'm not here to appease to people,

Since when was simple ethics and respect branded as "appeasement"?

Not everyone is meant to be here, many are meant to suffer in their own manifested Tartarus

These forums and the ToZ gives the ability to anyone willing to change the opportunity to take control of their fate and bring themselves up from the dirt. I do agree, not everyone is ready for that, and it seems you are not ready as well. We all make mistakes and stumble, but what is not acceptable is to just give up because you felt targeted and wanted to be weak.

that a person regardless of how great they are or how great you think they are is still a person,

Most people nowadays are below what anyone can label as remotely human, so being a "person" is already enough. The average person is closer to an ant than they are to the HP's or Guardians. But, the Clergy aren't just "persons" they are essentially Demigods who have worked on themselves endlessly to help us just like the Gods have. HPHC has done so much for the ToZ just like the rest of our blessed Clergy that we should be thankful for each day. They do not get paid for this, they do this out of their good will and want to help others. Most people wouldn't lift a finger to help a stumbling man, so I think our Clergy deserves a bit more respect than you are giving.

 

[Aquarius]

I'd say Cobra himself isn't the problem here. If he was, I'd have no problem calling him out for it. His sycophants are the problem, those people who think calling him human is a blasphemy. If you can't accept something so obvious, that a person regardless of how great they are or how great you think they are is still a person, then you're simply cooked.

I'm not here to appease to people, like this forum has in it's rebranding. The people who see my pfp and make those kinds of excuses to leave were never meant to be here, just like I'm not. Are we to force people to stay, even though this isn't where they belong? Should we coddle everyone with a sugar coating of reality until we all suffer from diabetes? No. Not everyone is meant to be here, many are meant to suffer in their own manifested Tartarus, and others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

You can't save people from themselves, at least you can't do it willingly.

HP Hooded Cobra is at this point something that your teenager college mind cannot comprehend.

Those that have worked with him know this. He is much more than a simple human at this point. A decade and more in meditation and extreme challenges, I don't think it would be even wrong to think of him as a Demigod at this point.

 

[WoadWarrior]

others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

 

[Emergent13]

I'd say Cobra himself isn't the problem here.

Who is "Cobra"?

 

[High Priest Hooded Cobra 666]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

_____

I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

Greetings and thank you for expressing how you feel about the topic. However, I have to show you in a logical and verifiable manner to the best of my ability, how your feelings or observations are actually not the full view of what is actually going on.

You do not have images for me in your house, but to use the argument that respect or positive bonds of trust created after 16 years of consistency, being constantly judged (my words are judged everyday), verified by everyone for accuracy (people think, reason out, conclude, deny or accept) and so forth is "cult of personality" is essentially errant. When it concerns "personality cults" one does not have to be judged, to be verified or wrong, it's just huge amount of emotional propaganda that takes place [media apparatus and related] to remove the essence of free will in order to make the cult.

Valid loyalty, trust, bonds of love or friendship, or acclaim that was given to people based on their judgement and our bonds, are because these exist and not because of construction of "personality cult". This is in this case, in my view, unrelated to the situation at hand. If certain also people recognize the utility, value or something else in a person (or if they do not) is something that is judgement reliant. Objective and realistic positioning of anything or "myself", has not occurred because of emotional prep-talk but because of realistic outcomes in the existence of this place.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.

Nobody was ever disallowed of proving or disproving anything. Again, this is more of an emotional argument that implies two points: That everything must be questioned (even if correct or incorrect; which points me to "I felt like it" rather than the objective truth seeking you hold sacred. Second point, that if people know you say the truth others are undervalued also in their judgement [refer to my first paragraph] of being "victims of a personality cult" and not a brotherhood based on an organic healthy bond that was constructed in a very long timeframe.

I am not "beyond error" but when something has a minimal error margin, it's important to recognize this and not emotionally dismiss it. The argument that this somehow has to do with the truth, or with the reactive tendency to "argue" something or "doubt it" (perfectly fine, but not always accurate), is not helping elevate the truth.
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Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

HPS Maxine has done few if any mistakes, and based on her time, she has done what was best. It's not a mistake to have pending updates or things that must be done. Nobody ever claimed to be "error free", but to use the argument of "you are not error free" for personality invalidation, is also in itself an emotionally based and non realistic approach. As for wanting to leave because of this, you are of course free to do this; personality cults would have barred you from leaving; likely on a death contract or something. Here none of this exists.

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

Alright and what does it mean that it's not perfect? It's constantly advancing and moving toward a perfection; perfection is a path and not a constant. But it's aeons higher comparable to many things around us in the world. Imperfections, mistakes and whatever else, has always been acceptable in this community. As about large arguments of crocodiles and 55 million years; these are relevant in nature of course, but not a viable basis to judge the ToZ. I think my reply might help you to understand where the ToZ is, where I stand (as I am the target of the post) and understand where feelings reside and where likely, maybe there could be misperception.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

Alright, we do. And of course this is the point. The repetition of this is a central point, but it already occurs. As thus your questions etc are being answered. In a personality cult you would have disappeared in a dark night for questioning. I believe acute measurement of your claims has to characterize the argument here.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

Of course it is. Also, if some people are "wrong" in regard to advancement or their claims, are they not allowed? Of course. What does responding to this mean, based on verified things or actual information or actual experience? Actually it's help and articulation of the understanding of the person. There is no corrective punishment penalty otherwise, but we also might not have to all sit and listen to kool-aid theories about self purported advanced people or whatever. Advancement in existence manifests in certain undeniable metrics; it's not claims based.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

The fact that a heart surgeon is "mostly errorless" or has 5 out of 1000 operations in dead versus saved, does not mean that the surgeon is invalidated. Similar situations occur when it comes to anything, including situations here. No it's not problematic to trust in this case, it's smart, accelerating, many times life saving. What is a problem is to not articulate why this occurs and to do it blindly. There is no gaslighting when a surgeon tells you "when you understand more about surgery, you will understand how that operates and how you can be saved". Advancement again is a defacto situation and not an emotional based one. To be angry about this and/or see it as wrong is existentially invalid.

Yes, you will understand when you advance even my responses better or what you experience now. Yes, I was also not liking this response when it was given by my father to me when I was 11 years old and assumed I knew better than him, yes, many decades later I saw it was the correct response; because actually as you said, we grow and we create our judgement as we go. Nothing bad here whatsoever. What's bad in this, considering you speak earlier about the acceptance of making mistakes, self evaluation and advancement? Nothing. If this is problematic how do your own arguments stand about errors, being fine to evolve, and related?

Also, in how "I make decisions for you", what kinds of decisions I have made for you? Your boyfriend? The food you eat? What you wear? What you write? There are few if any objective situations where I make decisions for others in the strict sense of the world.

Guidance and/or being with them to encounter things, ie, fighting life alongside them, does not mean "I make decisions for them". I make decisions for the ToZ and alignments with these arise from the evaluative processes by people. I retain acts to act on this, as this was given to be based on judgement and not because of a discord vote or something.

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement. Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

I think based on this and of course upon agreeing with this, that you do not understand the function of many things yet. This message is more about "I will tell daddy I am independent and have my own judgement" than an objective argument on what I do, in the end, very tragically wrong.

There is nothing negative in what I tell you here also, it's purely just an observation with positive feeling on my side.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

And your opinion plus your request is heard and accepted. I hope extra information contained here makes you see the matter more broadly (which you don't have to in the end of the day).

Speaking of verification, I think after my response it would be great if you could verify what you write here and if it's fundamentally correct about my functions. I know the generalized talk about when one needs to cast some doubt, express "thought independence" and to be a critical thinker, but it's important also to be this especially if one wants to extol truth. The central point remains evaluation; but I am not beyond that evaluation either.

Lastly, the fact one does this and speaks about the buzzwords does not always mean they make an elaborate check on the actual things they claim to do.

Still in the topic I have to tell you that I have seen certain arguments and I did my earnest to answer them. I appreciate you sharing how you feel about the situation and if my response is helpful, I will be glad. Thanks.

 

[High Priest Hooded Cobra 666]

I'd say Cobra himself isn't the problem here. If he was, I'd have no problem calling him out for it. His sycophants are the problem, those people who think calling him human is a blasphemy. If you can't accept something so obvious, that a person regardless of how great they are or how great you think they are is still a person, then you're simply cooked.

I'm not here to appease to people, like this forum has in it's rebranding. The people who see my pfp and make those kinds of excuses to leave were never meant to be here, just like I'm not. Are we to force people to stay, even though this isn't where they belong? Should we coddle everyone with a sugar coating of reality until we all suffer from diabetes? No. Not everyone is meant to be here, many are meant to suffer in their own manifested Tartarus, and others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

You can't save people from themselves, at least you can't do it willingly.

Essentially as I see, the issue is that "authority exists". This is not a valid argument as yes authority, does exist. You also have self authority and this also exists.

How do you know if I am human also? And if I am, are not people allowed to evaluate me based on this? Yes.

Or because it's conveniently more acceptable to see me as a human, so you can refer to me as Cobra your cousin who does likely the same "mistakes", for comfort sake's reason? Has there been a more objective evaluation of me in this case? How is the validation that I am just Cobra your cousin, come around? Does Cobra your Human Cousin do for example, what I do, or live life as I would do, or anything like this?

The tentative view of certain people to recognize some of my functions, does not mean they are cooked. Maybe as their perspective chaanged from their own journey, they drew some conclusions about "me", for example.

I see many people here everyday who albeit they are people, strongly mirror divine traits. Am I supposed to say for my comfort that this is Joe down the street who also does mistakes, to cast down their value? And if they did some mistakes, so what?

Do I have to invalidate this for my self comfort, even if their lives or actions prove, that this was not actually the case that they were like Cobra my cousin and my homie who also does some mistakes? Yes there are many people here who have crossed thresholds in their actions about what we call "merely human". Mere humans don't sit around everyday for example to spiritually advance or seek knowledge from that place. One has to have something else of a need inside.

Who also forced everyone to be here? Did you see troops in your door or something forcing you to stay? Or "force" in this case is mistaken for your opinion maybe clashing with the perception of another, which as you say you approve their rights to think and have critical thinking, maybe their own, reached another conclusion about "me" or this place?

You are not practicing non-appeasing by a nihilistic view that wants everyone lower, and your judgement higher than everyone. You are actually appeasing nihilism and denial of what others see as clear sings of something that maybe something worthwhile. That does not mean you are being a realist, as a realist would take all data down and analyze it; your message is mostly a dismissive tone to all and how your judgement matters most, with an invitation to disagree with people, rather than an analytical situation.

For example, an analysis (not my words, just reality here presented as a joke) would be: "Why you think maybe this dumb-ass Cobra (I will not mention his title as I am NOT in this cult and definitely in the mood for independence today, and fuck him too) - anyway - deserves anything than being treated like a mere mammal monkey as he probably is, to you, his cult persona followers?". That would be more analytical.

This would invite an answer while also maintaining the degenerative response. Then they might describe why I am a full mistaken monkey that eats more bananas for example. Might help also generate more information about why this occurs, if it occurs and when. Just saying it's persona cult and all this, does not increase the seeking of reality which you say is behind your statements.

I likewise would answer clearly about many people here that they display divine traits not easily found, are unique in humans, and they represent something more than humans a dignified version of evolving humans; if we take in consideration how the average human acts versus them. This is for example my opinion. To just invalidate them as humans or mere average NPC's would be existentially moot. Does that mean I am somehow in their cult for recognizing this? Nope. It's just how we see each other after a certain point and we verify certain topics about one another. And that's very normal in general.

 

[VeniVidiViktori888]

Very well said Sir. A cult leader would’ve just said “Silence, Heretic” lol

 

[tyrantmage]

Essentially as I see, the issue is that "authority exists". This is not a valid argument as yes authority, does exist. You also have self authority and this also exists.

How do you know if I am human also? And if I am, are not people allowed to evaluate me based on this? Yes.

Or because it's conveniently more acceptable to see me as a human, so you can refer to me as Cobra your cousin who does likely the same "mistakes", for comfort sake's reason? Has there been a more objective evaluation of me in this case? How is the validation that I am just Cobra your cousin, come around? Does Cobra your Human Cousin do for example, what I do, or live life as I would do, or anything like this?

The tentative view of certain people to recognize some of my functions, does not mean they are cooked. Maybe as their perspective chaanged from their own journey, they drew some conclusions about "me", for example.

I see many people here everyday who albeit they are people, strongly mirror divine traits. Am I supposed to say for my comfort that this is Joe down the street who also does mistakes, to cast down their value? And if they did some mistakes, so what?

Do I have to invalidate this for my self comfort, even if their lives or actions prove, that this was not actually the case that they were like Cobra my cousin and my homie who also does some mistakes? Yes there are many people here who have crossed thresholds in their actions about what we call "merely human". Mere humans don't sit around everyday for example to spiritually advance or seek knowledge from that place. One has to have something else of a need inside.

Who also forced everyone to be here? Did you see troops in your door or something forcing you to stay? Or "force" in this case is mistaken for your opinion maybe clashing with the perception of another, which as you say you approve their rights to think and have critical thinking, maybe their own, reached another conclusion about "me" or this place?

You are not practicing non-appeasing by a nihilistic view that wants everyone lower, and your judgement higher than everyone. You are actually appeasing nihilism and denial of what others see as clear sings of something that maybe something worthwhile. That does not mean you are being a realist, as a realist would take all data down and analyze it; your message is mostly a dismissive tone to all and how your judgement matters most, with an invitation to disagree with people, rather than an analytical situation.

For example, an analysis (not my words, just reality here presented as a joke) would be: "Why you think maybe this dumb-ass Cobra (I will not mention his title as I am NOT in this cult and definitely in the mood for independence today, and fuck him too) - anyway - deserves anything than being treated like a mere mammal monkey as he probably is, to you, his cult persona followers?". That would be more analytical.

This would invite an answer while also maintaining the degenerative response. Then they might describe why I am a full mistaken monkey that eats more bananas for example. Might help also generate more information about why this occurs, if it occurs and when. Just saying it's persona cult and all this, does not increase the seeking of reality which you say is behind your statements.

I likewise would answer clearly about many people here that they display divine traits not easily found, are unique in humans, and they represent something more than humans a dignified version of evolving humans; if we take in consideration how the average human acts versus them. This is for example my opinion. To just invalidate them as humans or mere average NPC's would be existentially moot. Does that mean I am somehow in their cult for recognizing this? Nope. It's just how we see each other after a certain point and we verify certain topics about one another. And that's very normal in general.

Whooo! HP Cobra is Cooking! Its morning and I haven't eaten breakfast, yet reading this, Im full. This and a cup of coffee and my day is made. There's plenty of know it alls out there. Pseudo Pagan larpers claiming they know about spirituality, even tho the Gods themselves recognize this place as their "FAMILY" on earth and our Clergy as Their "TRUSTED" leaders to elevate Humanity through expansion of the Temple of Zeus. Highlighting the word Family and trusted here. People come here and bring their pagan larp to try to discredit and verbally attack the actual people who lifted literal boulders to build this Temple. HPS Maxine Gave us a strong Foundation, HP Cobra reinforced those foundations and built the walls and the roof. HPS lydia and our Guardians toiled to build the doors windows and decorated the Temple. All of them are Superhuman beings to me. Their accomplishments and efforts are unrivaled. Gods I love this place. In a world where everyone drowns in a sea of false religions and cults that sell you snake oils, This place gave us true light and hope. May The Gods bless our Beloved clergy so that they can continue to bear their Divine responsibilities while teaching us how we can bear our own missions as willed by the Gods.

 

[tyrantmage]

Very well said Sir. A cult leader would’ve just said “Silence, Heretic” lol

Im gonna say it brother.
Silence, heretic!

 

[krysalis88]

For many years, many of us seen the progress of Cobra. No one starts right off as a High Priest by the way. To get where is he today it is because of a lot of work that was done (and it is still being done), all the dedication, all the effort, the countless time spent, and the people that supported him along the way. In order for a group to survive, it is needed a strong leader and when time passed, he became the most valuable and reliable one to count on. It is not that others could take the role, but for the Gods, he was in Their Eyes the one who would be capable of dealing with it all.
Maybe a couple of other newbies might read this too, but if you're not comfortable in speaking or belonging to a group, you don't have to leave it entirely. Maybe now you're not capable of understanding some things, maybe you're just stubborn after all. There are things that to comprehend it fully, time is required, experience is needed. Before anything, you must ask yourself: why does people approve such acts from the High Priest?
It is simple answer you know...all the Gods, Goddesses and Daemon Rituals all were prepared firstly by him. For the dedicated members to sit down and vibrate a lot of Greek letters, names (not even knowing what word it is), it all means that we truly trust HP Hooded Cobra. The Joy of Satan from the past (the website, the forum, everything else, including all the students for the professor) got all into his hands. That time was the past when we needed to fight in the spiritual realm against the bad guys, that is why Maxine wasn't focused on simply 'changing the names' of the Gods. Now, with HP Hooded Cobra, his role is now to restore the original aspects of this spiritual path. The Temple of Zeus has a lot to be done, it is still a work in progress, just as all of us that follows Zevism.
If people still disagree or come out here confused, please read AND study, line by line, word by word, the sections Our Doctrines, and, Our Ethics, in the Temple of Zeus website. It isn't uncommon to notice new people leaving ToZ and after a few years returning 'for some reason'.
I could write here more of why Cobra is our most cherished family member, but it might get too huge to read. Maybe we could all sit down and write a biography of him instead, after Maxine of course.