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[Vicky<3]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

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I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
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Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

_____

I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
_____

Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

The deleted post was restored.

 

[Pammy]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

_____

I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
_____

Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

HP created forum posts multiple times to accept feedback and to encourage people to give criticism.

One example:

Now, it would also be a good idea before the end of the material year, to start another conversation.

This would be over things where you think there should be improvement or constitute mistakes.

Another example: Feedback/Recommendations/Complaints

Before one Yule, or another Holiday, I remember he made a topic asking us to criticise him so he can improve the next year. I tried to find the post, but when I searched ''feedback'' and ''criticism'' on his profile, there are hundreds of posts. I couldn't find the one I was searching for. Search this, there are maybe hundreds of ''Thank you for your feedback.''

I don't know who you are referring to, but a member or a few others you can't get along with are neither the representative of the community nor the proof that this community is not healthy. People have freedom of opinion, and they are going to have attitudes you don't like, and this is something we have to live with. If anyone is representing the community, it is HP, and he always accepts feedback and criticism respectfully given.

Anyone can create a forum account. There will be weirdos, delusional people, arrogant people, someone you clash constantly because both of your natures are not compatible, and they will have freedom of speech. Don't take them seriously unless it is someone who gained your respect. Sometimes there will be someone you are not compatible with, your stars don't align, these things happen.

Even you, at the moment, can cause a newbie to come here and think ''What is this, anime pfp? Are these all kids?'' and leave. Actually, someone told me something like this years ago when I had a different profile picture. This is a wrong approach to forums. If someone is, let's say, disrespectful and arrogant to you, that's on them. If you choose to have a pink haired girl in your profile picture, that's your right to express yourself. Don't take people too seriously. They are not representing the whole organisation. The organisation in question welcomes feedback.

 

[Renita]

you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

You say that, yet when you are told you are wrong you go off about how everyone is irritating you just because they had a different opinion.

No one ever said the forums or ToZ are perfect, but it is much better than other religious organizations. If you don't like our rules and community go ahead and find some place else.

It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape.

You are missing the point. Advancement looks different depending on each person, but everyone will grow their understanding of the Truth. What that statement means is essentially that things become clearer as you advance due to a clearer mind and a deeper connection to the universal consciousness and Gods. Due to this growth in the mind, everything makes a clearer sense.

 

[newestwarrior666]

Although I sympathize with some of your sentiments, I do think that it's an overreaction to ditch the TOZ entirely if spiritual empowerment is important to you. Clashing with others is an inevitability on a forum, and generalizing an entire community off of it is just as much a mistake. At the end of the day, everyone on this journey is still human and is subject to everything that comes with that to some degree. TOZ is not perfect, but the spiritual information that's made available is important enough to transcend that in my opinion. There's nothing stopping any one of us from verifying anything with our own spiritual growth and experience with the help of the Gods.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

When you are close to the Gods, as High Priest is, you can know Truth and are free from ignorance.

Where ordinary humans are often wrong about many things, ignorant and double ignorant, someone close to the Truth is practically never wrong, and if they do not know something, they don't try to speculate, they simply don't speak on it to avoid sharing falsehoods.

We are on the path to approach Truth through approaching the Gods. This is what happens with advancement. The more one advances, the closer you will be to truth. Therefore, the advanced person indeed will very rarely be wrong, or never be wrong at all at a certain point. Every word spoken becomes absolute truth at a certain point of advancement.

This is not cult of personality, it is simply reality. Cult of personality is believing in Elon Musk like he is a messiah, while he is just a man with success in some particular business, but nothing special besides that.

These are dishonest criticisms, stemming from emotional outburst over essentially nothing serious.

Do reflect on yourself a bit first before winding up like this, if there are things you are dissatisfied with there are legitimate ways to give critique, rather than go into an emotional reactionary spiral like this.

We have never been people who rejected valid criticism, or pretended to be perfect. As people on the Path to Godhead, we understand better than anyone our position on the ladder to perfection.


I will have to give a defense of High Priestess Maxine here however, since you misunderstand things changing as if proof she had made mistakes.

High Priestess Maxine wrote and created exactly what was needed to bring us together and drag the Gods out of the false darkness the enemy had cast over them in the subconscious of man. She in fact had done that perfectly, and did not make any mistakes.

The reason things change now is because the Gods are fully restored, knowledge on them is becoming more complete, so we can more accurately represent them as they truly are, rather than in limited context as they were known before.

All the core of the ToZ is no different from what High Priestess Maxine had always known, and had written. The prior state was necessary to first bring Them to light, and to bridge the gap between enemy context and the original Truth of the Gods that had been hidden and veiled by falsehoods and endless slander.

Now thanks to High Priestess Maxine, and the following work by High Priest HoodedCobra, we have full context of knowledge and complete understanding of the entire context surrounding the Spiritual Path, what it originally is, what happened to it under enemy context, and how everything ties together in the complete picture.

Therefore, no mistakes were made by High Priestess, she wrote exactly what was necessary, even if she knew and understood much more than she could share.

 

[Pammy]

Onu diyen koruyucu meleğindi yalnız.

Welcome back, brother.

 

[Vicky<3]

HP created forum posts multiple times to accept feedback and to encourage people to give criticism.

One example:


Another example: Feedback/Recommendations/Complaints

Before one Yule, or another Holiday, I remember he made a topic asking us to criticise him so he can improve the next year. I tried to find the post, but when I searched ''feedback'' and ''criticism'' on his profile, there are hundreds of posts. I couldn't find the one I was searching for. Search this, there are maybe hundreds of ''Thank you for your feedback.''

I don't know who you are referring to, but a member or a few others you can't get along with are neither the representative of the community nor the proof that this community is not healthy. People have freedom of opinion, and they are going to have attitudes you don't like, and this is something we have to live with. If anyone is representing the community, it is HP, and he always accepts feedback and criticism respectfully given.

Anyone can create a forum account. There will be weirdos, delusional people, arrogant people, someone you clash constantly because both of your natures are not compatible, and they will have freedom of speech. Don't take them seriously unless it is someone who gained your respect. Sometimes there will be someone you are not compatible with, your stars don't align, these things happen.

Even you, at the moment, can cause a newbie to come here and think ''What is this, anime pfp? Are these all kids?'' and leave. Actually, someone told me something like this years ago when I had a different profile picture. This is a wrong approach to forums. If someone is, let's say, disrespectful and arrogant to you, that's on them. If you choose to have a pink haired girl in your profile picture, that's your right to express yourself. Don't take people too seriously. They are not representing the whole organisation. The organisation in question welcomes feedback.

I'd say Cobra himself isn't the problem here. If he was, I'd have no problem calling him out for it. His sycophants are the problem, those people who think calling him human is a blasphemy. If you can't accept something so obvious, that a person regardless of how great they are or how great you think they are is still a person, then you're simply cooked.

I'm not here to appease to people, like this forum has in it's rebranding. The people who see my pfp and make those kinds of excuses to leave were never meant to be here, just like I'm not. Are we to force people to stay, even though this isn't where they belong? Should we coddle everyone with a sugar coating of reality until we all suffer from diabetes? No. Not everyone is meant to be here, many are meant to suffer in their own manifested Tartarus, and others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

You can't save people from themselves, at least you can't do it willingly.

 

[Renita]

others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

"Outgrown", you mean never even tried to do something for their own good or at least for the Gods? You don't have to be on the forums constantly (even though it does build reputation and shows that you are a real part of this community and not just a random); however, you must realize that this is the only place where you will ever achieve anything real and not just another delusional dream spoon fed by the jews.

I'm not here to appease to people,

Since when was simple ethics and respect branded as "appeasement"?

Not everyone is meant to be here, many are meant to suffer in their own manifested Tartarus

These forums and the ToZ gives the ability to anyone willing to change the opportunity to take control of their fate and bring themselves up from the dirt. I do agree, not everyone is ready for that, and it seems you are not ready as well. We all make mistakes and stumble, but what is not acceptable is to just give up because you felt targeted and wanted to be weak.

that a person regardless of how great they are or how great you think they are is still a person,

Most people nowadays are below what anyone can label as remotely human, so being a "person" is already enough. The average person is closer to an ant than they are to the HP's or Guardians. But, the Clergy aren't just "persons" they are essentially Demigods who have worked on themselves endlessly to help us just like the Gods have. HPHC has done so much for the ToZ just like the rest of our blessed Clergy that we should be thankful for each day. They do not get paid for this, they do this out of their good will and want to help others. Most people wouldn't lift a finger to help a stumbling man, so I think our Clergy deserves a bit more respect than you are giving.

 

[Aquarius]

I'd say Cobra himself isn't the problem here. If he was, I'd have no problem calling him out for it. His sycophants are the problem, those people who think calling him human is a blasphemy. If you can't accept something so obvious, that a person regardless of how great they are or how great you think they are is still a person, then you're simply cooked.

I'm not here to appease to people, like this forum has in it's rebranding. The people who see my pfp and make those kinds of excuses to leave were never meant to be here, just like I'm not. Are we to force people to stay, even though this isn't where they belong? Should we coddle everyone with a sugar coating of reality until we all suffer from diabetes? No. Not everyone is meant to be here, many are meant to suffer in their own manifested Tartarus, and others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

You can't save people from themselves, at least you can't do it willingly.

HP Hooded Cobra is at this point something that your teenager college mind cannot comprehend.

Those that have worked with him know this. He is much more than a simple human at this point. A decade and more in meditation and extreme challenges, I don't think it would be even wrong to think of him as a Demigod at this point.

 

[Insideout]

I'd say Cobra himself isn't the problem here. If he was, I'd have no problem calling him out for it. His sycophants are the problem, those people who think calling him human is a blasphemy. If you can't accept something so obvious, that a person regardless of how great they are or how great you think they are is still a person, then you're simply cooked.

I'm not here to appease to people, like this forum has in it's rebranding. The people who see my pfp and make those kinds of excuses to leave were never meant to be here, just like I'm not. Are we to force people to stay, even though this isn't where they belong? Should we coddle everyone with a sugar coating of reality until we all suffer from diabetes? No. Not everyone is meant to be here, many are meant to suffer in their own manifested Tartarus, and others like me have simply outgrown this place a long time ago.

You can't save people from themselves, at least you can't do it willingly.

I hesitated to share this, feeling compelled to respond by an earnest need to clarify.

I deeply appreciated Guardian Voice of Enki's reply. It exemplifies the level of understanding his rank signifies, a perspective born not of dogma, but of direct experience and hard-won comprehension.

I wish to express my own thoughts on this matter, and in doing so, reflect his wisdom through a slightly different lens.

A central point is this: as one advances upon the path, a qualitative shift occurs in one's relationship to truth. It is not about infallibility in a mundane sense, but about alignment. One begins to discern what is eternally foundational from what is contextual or debatable. When speaking from that place of aligned understanding, one speaks a truth that is essentially unwavering. This is not a claim of personal perfection, but a testimony to the nature of contacting and conveying a higher order of knowledge. You will recognize this state within yourself when it arises; even absent complex arguments, you will know with a certainty that feels anchored beyond the self.

My respect for the High Priests stems from this understanding. To observe High Priest Hooded Cobra or High Priestess Lydia is to witness a rare consistency of principle and action. Their responses seem to flow from a source untarnished by personal ego, reflecting either direct guidance or a understanding so refined it appears divine. Using their full titles is, to me, a natural gesture of gratitude for this service, not sycophancy. True respect arises from recognizing the source of their guidance, not from blind admiration of the person.

It is crucial to understand the hierarchy of wisdom within any spiritual community. The Guardians, Priests, and High Priests have attained their standing through demonstrated alignment. Therefore, their words carry a different weight than those of members still evolving. This is not an insult to the growing, but a simple recognition of spiritual maturity. We all began as students.

This brings me to a vital distinction regarding "mistakes." From a certain perspective of high attainment, the concept of "error" transforms into a matter of "efficiency" or progressive revelation. Consider a diamond: first it is rough, then cut, then polished. At every stage, it is a diamond. The polished form does not make the rough stone "false." Similarly, a foundational spiritual technique is true for its purpose. A more advanced technique that supersedes it represents a higher, more efficient truth, not a correction of a falsehood. The earlier truth remains valid within its context, as a necessary step upon the staircase of understanding. This is how we can honor our entire religion without being imprisoned by its earlier forms.

This principle applies supremely to the Gods themselves. To ask if the Gods "made mistakes" is to view their cosmic actions through a human lens of success and failure. A more fitting view might be that their ways operate on a level of efficiency and purpose our minds cannot fully grasp.

Finally, the clearest example of this experiential truth is the divide between the knower and the skeptic. A Zevist who has genuinely experienced the Gods holds a knowledge that is unshakable, not because it is logically impenetrable, but because it is rooted in direct perception. An atheist, relying solely on empirical argument, cannot disprove this inner experience, just as the Zevist cannot fully transfer the experience itself. The atheist may see the Zevist as deluded for holding fast to "unprovable" truths, while the Zevist sees the atheist as unaware of the very dimension where those truths reside.

Thus, we must be vigilant. One can believe one is championing intellectual rigor, while inadvertently arguing against a higher truth one has not yet perceived. The path demands we cultivate not only the mind's sharpness but also the soul's capacity to recognize and receive truth from the sources that embody it most purely. Judge by the fruit, by the alignment, and by the profound understanding that eventually leaves debate behind and settles into silent, certain knowing.

 

[Insideout]

If you focus on growing and do not get triggered too much in the way, you will 100% become insanely advanced, you have the raw material for that, i clearly see and feel beyond the surface. Trust me.