This is a mistake

[Vicky<3]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

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I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
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Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

_____

I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
_____

Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

The deleted post was restored.

 

[Pammy]

I need a second opinion on my deleted post here...
(https://ancient-forums.com/threads/...se-damage-of-race-mixing.305521/#post-1182928)

I think this post not going through for the reason the mod said was a mistake. If its not, then Im leaving immediately and wont be returning.

** No, I don't have a copy of what was deleted.

_____

I didn't choose to join some cult of personality when I joined this forum. It doesn't matter how advanced you are, or even if you have 200+IQ you're not always going to be right about everything. If you cant admit that, then you're not wise as far as Im concerned.

It might seem like a small thing to you, but its an absolute deal breaker for me. It's "insinuating" that people that don't agree with something you say cant be advanced.

Truth is something sacred and it needs to be protected with reasonable scrutiny. We cant just call something "truth" because X person said it is, it needs to be provable or disprovable. If its not probable, its an opinion. If we cant meet intellectually here, then I need to leave this place. Simple as.
_____

Regardless, I'm taking a break from here. This community is great on the surface, but dig a few inches deeper and you get stuff like this. Whatever community problem that requires the crutch of "advanced people are never wrong" narrative is a lethal cancer.

You can't just replace a large amount of the work of HP Maxine and say she never made any mistakes on things. Making mistakes is normal, people make them all the time, it's even a good thing to make mistakes in some cases. Perfection isn't practical. If you hold yourself to an absolute perfect standard, you'll never produce anything at all. Yes calling something that is "good enough" to be perfect is conceptually problematic. We all agree that terminology and technicality matters... right?

Is the TOZ perfect? No. That's a good thing, because it leaves room for continued growth and evolution. Presumed "perfection", like when a species adequately evolves to their environment and isn't challenged to develop further, like perhaps crocodiles can be considered, is a sort of stasis. Humanity has gotten as far as it has on a macro level because of our imperfections, and our need to overcome complex challenges. On an individual micro level, we're likely Zevists because we didn't fit into conventional society perfectly. If you were born perfect without your quirks, without the challenges along the way that you faced somewhere up until now, you wouldn't be reading this. You would be like a crocodile who has stayed the same mostly for the last 55 million years.

If we truly strive to become like the Gods, then we need to maintain the sacredness of truth. When we cheapen the value of truth by not verifying what we believe in, we set ourselves up for failure.

It's fine to have assumptions, it's fine to be wrong. Again, it's even good to be wrong sometimes.

It is problematic if you tell someone you never make mistakes and to trust you in making decisions for them. It's problematic to gaslight people into saying things like "when you're advanced, you'll understand", as if every advanced person fits into a neat cookie cutter shape. "Every advanced person has to have this opinion, everyone who disagrees is spiritually retarded".

If you can't prove what you say, then don't tell people it's true. If you can't prove it, chances are they can't disprove it and it'll be a critical flaw in their spiritual advancement.

Verify everything before you form a belief you interpret as being "true". If you do this, you'll thank yourself later. Build your spiritual knowledge on a shitty foundation, and you'll have to eventually knock it over and tear the whole thing out and start again from scratch. If you want to ever get as far as Godhood, your tower needs to be incredibly stable to ever reach that high. You'll make plenty of mistakes on your own, you don't need anyone helping you make them for you...

Am I proposing this as anything other than my opinion? No. If anyone disagrees with me here, and they can actually make a good argument, I'd happily listen to that feedback. Why? Because I know I'm not perfect, and I'm humble to admit I'm not, and I strive for more.

HP created forum posts multiple times to accept feedback and to encourage people to give criticism.

One example:

Now, it would also be a good idea before the end of the material year, to start another conversation.

This would be over things where you think there should be improvement or constitute mistakes.

Another example: Feedback/Recommendations/Complaints

Before one Yule, or another Holiday, I remember he made a topic asking us to criticise him so he can improve the next year. I tried to find the post, but when I searched ''feedback'' and ''criticism'' on his profile, there are hundreds of posts. I couldn't find the one I was searching for. Search this, there are maybe hundreds of ''Thank you for your feedback.''

I don't know who you are referring to, but a member or a few others you can't get along with are neither the representative of the community nor the proof that this community is not healthy. People have freedom of opinion, and they are going to have attitudes you don't like, and this is something we have to live with. If anyone is representing the community, it is HP, and he always accepts feedback and criticism respectfully given.

Anyone can create a forum account. There will be weirdos, delusional people, arrogant people, someone you clash constantly because both of your natures are not compatible, and they will have freedom of speech. Don't take them seriously unless it is someone who gained your respect. Sometimes there will be someone you are not compatible with, your stars don't align, these things happen.

Even you, at the moment, can cause a newbie to come here and think ''What is this, anime pfp? Are these all kids?'' and leave. Actually, someone told me something like this years ago when I had a different profile picture. This is a wrong approach to forums. If someone is, let's say, disrespectful and arrogant to you, that's on them. If you choose to have a pink haired girl in your profile picture, that's your right to express yourself. Don't take people too seriously. They are not representing the whole organisation. The organisation in question welcomes feedback.