What does Satan think of queer ppl?

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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Good luck brother. I hope that you will feel better soon.

 

[Username]

I remember your comment on the thread posted by blackwizard. Reading it had a vague but lasting positive impression on me. I do not think that I am the only one who felt that way. Your comments always had a cheerful upbeat tone which when read, cheers someones up. I think members like you are also needed on the forums. Like everyone has some sort of role to play.

About that dickhead, people like them are aplenty in this world. These people act like they are the center of this world and they are all high and mighty. However, you shouldn't bother about such people as natural selection will root them out sooner or later if they don't put effort to approach truth. Analyzing in void state regarding this matter should help but of course I am no one to advise you on this.

"and this thing are all in the Physical World. "

Could you clarify what you meant by this ?

"Fancy's apologising in the hopes that he'll be selected as a JoS Guardian soon!"

I don't see the need for you to specify this part. Let others think whatever they want.
Thinking about what others think will only waste your time if it hinders your advancement.
However, thinking about what others think and learning things to further your advancement is a different matter.

hopefully I make people smile if not laugh.

I neither smiled nor laughed when reading your comments. Well, perhaps I did, I don't remember. Regardless, I think that almost always I felt cheered up.

I'm not apologising for lip-service or empty words/text, iN tHe HoPeS of being selected. Some might still doubt my words, that I am apologising solely for that reason. That's understandable; I'd do the same.

I again emphasize not to bother with such thoughts. Let others think what they want to think. Generally, in matters regarding these, its exactly the opposite. Like you might be bothered that other members might think this or that but truth might be that such a thing never even entered their mind. Even if other members think this way, I think that it doesn't really matter.

There might be lots of fans of Jack (I am not pointing out to anyone specifically) and I don't think there's any thing wrong with that. However it is also true that there might be also lots of fans of you here. I am definitely one of them. Without your guidance which I asked for when I was new here, perhaps I might not be here typing this. The comment was made for the sole purpose of sending support and positive energies. Lol, normies typing 'sending support and positive energies' is what comes into my mind. However, I mean it.

Other members might think that I am fake, a normie or womanly after reading the sentence " The comment was made for the sole purpose of sending support and positive energies. ". Well let them think what they want.

I have four things to say about the above "Other members might think I am fake, a normie or womanly after reading that sentence. Well, let them think what they want. "

1. First and foremost, I don't really mean it.

2. I don't give a hoot about what others think of me after they read not only the above sentences but my whole comment starting from the top to the fullstop at the bottom. I write whatever I want to, whether it gets approved or not is a different matter. Of course, this is after taking consideration of other members situations, impact towards newbies etc

However, once a post of mine has been approved, you can forget about me giving a single hoot to what you think of me after reading it.(I am not pointing out to you Fancy, well to you also but I point out to the reader overall.)

3. Most of the members here might not really think of me as fake, a normie or womanly. They are really a nice bunch of people. Well perhaps womanly since it has a feminine vibe but they would see it as a fact rather than being negative towards me.

4. "Well, let them think what they want." Me constantly affirming this means that I have started to doubt myself regarding this. If I really didn't care then I wouldn't write any sentences starting from ''Other members might ... " or '' Well..." To be honest, I would write whatever approvable things meaning no harm to anyone here without giving a single hoot about other members thoughts as consequences towards me. Constantly seeking for truth is what matters here.

In any case, hopefully I will have cheered you up. Though I do not know if writing the above was a good thing to you or not. I can perhaps afford to not cheer you up once but I can never afford to hinder your advancement in any sort of way. Hopefully, things will work out and you will have learned a lot after this.
Cheers !!!

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

I thought you of all people might be able to relate to what I was saying: that it's senseless to ask people for alleged approval of one's sexual preferences by higher beings, and likewise, that it's nonsensical to involve higher beings in such arguments at all.

Seems like to this day I still can't make up my mind if I'm supposed to be a proper wife for my fiancé, or a man among men; I just know that a compromise is unacceptable for me, because I could never accept being a failure of a man. I have to run away one way or the other, for the sake of protecting what little is left of my self-respect.

It's not as if therapy or meditation can fix this degree of emotional strain. I may be mentally ill, but I want to live, so I will. I will cope as hard as I can, no matter to what extent I have to deceive myself. If it lets me feel like I'm allowed to exist, that alone is enough for me.

I just keep moving forward, not because I'm headed anywhere in particular, but because I'm deathly terrified of what's behind me.

A "compromise" is not unacceptable because you can be both of those things at the same time. As SS we are supposed to develop both masculine and feminine traits. Likewise, we all have feminine and masculine chakras. One's 6th chakra, for example, is ruled by the moon, and totally yin in nature.

Men normally exhibit traits of the lower chakras, and women exhibit traits of the higher chakras. However, for either gender to have success as SS, they must be able to incorporate qualities from all energy types, and all chakras, not just masculine or feminine.

If you look at any of the Gods or advanced SS like our clergy, you can see that they have still retained their identity, whilst still developing the qualities they need to be balanced.

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It is not your fault that you were unjustly attacked in the past for exhibiting feminine characteristics as a man. Feeling shame, anguish, trauma, and so forth are not normal under any circumstance. We are meant to move past these feelings and feel comfortable with how we are.

Looking at what you say, it is likely that you were probably severely threatened or attacked in the past, given that you are willing to do whatever is necessary to "exist".

Everyone has issues from past trauma, due to living for so long in such a fucked up world. Your karmic issues pertain to your gender identity, whereas someone else's could be related to relationships, their emotions, being grounded, etc.

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If you have heavy Plutonian influence, then I know you can be strong despite the intensity of these fears.

I read through some of your exchanges with Tabby, and what she said made sense. I would suggest more deep cleaning, but I am nervous about how you mentioned that you were damaging yourself through the cleaning.

Therefore, I think it would be best to first do Munka or Ansuz merely to free yourself of the thoughtform cycle she described, or perhaps simply free your perceptions about cleaning. Then from that point, you can take more baby steps in the right direction.

The point of this, especially the deep cleaning, would be to better prepare your soul such that any attempts at totally resolving your identity karma would be less painful. This is based on what Lydia suggested when another person said their karmic resolutions were causing some problems.

Good luck.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

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It is clear that Fancy Mancy was overzealous in regards to their argumentative. Looking at his more post, though, shows there is something else going beyond the surface here. In fact, it recently occurred to me how much of our life is guided or heavily influenced by our total karma, transits/curses, and so on.

Actually, it made me laugh when I realized that this is the second, maybe third time, that Jack had to put up with some serious attacks, some more meaningful than others. I hope you are doing ok in this regard because you seemed a little upset by the end of this.

However, Jack, it seems that you played a role in unearthing the problems FancyMancy may be dealing with. In that way, your presence was useful. Like a hard transit, it caused some stress, but some successes were hard.

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It seems the main issue some people take with you is your hardline stance on things. Excuse me if I am wrong, but you must have some strong earth influence within you.

As you may know, energy like Capricorn can cause someone to have self-discipline, endurance, but sometimes callousness or cruelty. It can give someone the strength to persist despite limitations, but also may cause one to be too limiting of other things.

What I realized, is that Capricorn is all about "working with" limitations and structure. Like any energy type, though, we have to advance past the negatives, while exalting the positives. This goes for everyone, not just you.

You were very much right about people needing more Capricorn in their lives, and I remember HPHC saying that past, ancient SS would focus first on developing earth skills before the others.

Like always, we are here to advance ourselves beyond our obstacles, which are unique to us. These disagreements between world views should be expected, but they should never get to this point where they are totally off the wall, with screaming and crying, or with verbal deathmatches.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

I have to disagree. Gay and effeminate are not the same thing. There are gays who are more masculine, gays who are more feminine, gays who tend more toward the middle.

Effeminate would be most LGBT freaks who are conditioned into behaving that, as their expression is so forced in nature that it wouldn't happen naturally if they were allowed from the very beginning to just be themselves instead of being conditioned.

I agree with you. I've seen the brain studies that show that gays have particular areas of the brain which are feminized, not the entirety. In regards to xenoestrogens, it seems like they can fuck up any area of the body that they can attach to, whether it be in the brain, genitals, between both men or women, and so on.

I had written gay, feminine, OR yin. It is not 100% clear exactly how Neptune or xenoestrogens influence the body and soul, but just that they seemed to have some influence in any of these areas.

I agree with what you say about the LGBT crowd, which is just a total corruption by the enemy.

There us nothing wrong with being feminine. If by feminine you mean the negative way wich is just being weak then okay. Like anything in life even these forces require balance but there will always be someone that has a more "passive" personality or a more "masculine" one and there is nothing wrong with it, ancient civilization accepted all of this and of course all the sexualities we know as long you were not "weak" for lack of a better word. Of course even if you were weak you could always become better.

Nowdays the enemy has removed spirituality and cursed them, no wonder people are so weak. There is no point for them to have strong enemies.

There is nothing inherently wrong with masculinity or feminity, but there are with xenoestrogens. My point is that they cause a degenerative feminine influence, similar to having Neptunian energy where one wouldn't want it (like the Sun). In regards to food, food is one of the main sources of xenoestrogen, chemical pollution.

That is not to say Neptune aspecting the Sun would not give positive benefits, like psychic abilities, but that until one could transmute it, it would counter some of the fire aspects of the Sun, like vitality or willpower.

I would go beyond simply describing someone as passive or masculine and instead state that everyone should develop the ability to be either within the proper circumstances. It is a good thing to be passive when listening to the Gods, but not to degenerate influences on Earth, for example.

And yeah, you are right. The enemy has pooped on yin qualities so badly, people don't believe they hold any positive value anymore.

 

[Jack]

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It is clear that Fancy Mancy was overzealous in regards to their argumentative. Looking at his more post, though, shows there is something else going beyond the surface here. In fact, it recently occurred to me how much of our life is guided or heavily influenced by our total karma, transits/curses, and so on.

Actually, it made me laugh when I realized that this is the second, maybe third time, that Jack had to put up with some serious attacks, some more meaningful than others. I hope you are doing ok in this regard because you seemed a little upset by the end of this.

However, Jack, it seems that you played a role in unearthing the problems FancyMancy may be dealing with. In that way, your presence was useful. Like a hard transit, it caused some stress, but some successes were hard.

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It seems the main issue some people take with you is your hardline stance on things. Excuse me if I am wrong, but you must have some strong earth influence within you.

As you may know, energy like Capricorn can cause someone to have self-discipline, endurance, but sometimes callousness or cruelty. It can give someone the strength to persist despite limitations, but also may cause one to be too limiting of other things.

What I realized, is that Capricorn is all about "working with" limitations and structure. Like any energy type, though, we have to advance past the negatives, while exalting the positives. This goes for everyone, not just you.

You were very much right about people needing more Capricorn in their lives, and I remember HPHC saying that past, ancient SS would focus first on developing earth skills before the others.

Like always, we are here to advance ourselves beyond our obstacles, which are unique to us. These disagreements between world views should be expected, but they should never get to this point where they are totally off the wall, with screaming and crying, or with verbal deathmatches.

I am not upset because I realize how people in General are.

What I have realized in General is that there are two main drivers of movement in a person's life Psychologically speaking,
1)The perception of the world that one has I.e his Philosophy of how things are.
Ex - A person might be generally pessimistic about the world and its people, that it is going towards ruin and destruction. Or A person might be optimistic that the world is moving towards prosperity and the people are getting better.

2)The perception of the "Self" within the Above stated World.

For Example - If a person is Blackpilled (Which is looks theory where they say women are solely attracted to Tall ,Handsome men) and he just happened to be tall and handsome, then his perception of the Self reinforces his beliefs through his actions and his RAS (Reticular Activation System) tries to find instances of where his perception is right and blocks out other perceptions. So he only sees instances where Women give him positive interest and he blocks out all evidence of the contrary subconsciously.

For Example - An optimistic person who has had good experiences all his life cannot grasp the Brutal Reality of growing up poor or in debt Slavery and cannot emphathize with others. They have issues seeing the Jewish problem and the Economic problem because they were always rich.

For Example - A black American who worked hard to become an IT technician doesn't see Race as a barrier to success in White America.

All of these things are issues with Identity. Most humans beings latch onto some kind of a perception that forms the Basis of their identity, which would then give them purpose in life.

I think that what goes in your mind is very important to see what your life is heading towards because you take action according to the perception of reality that you have. For the General population, their perception of reality should be to be fathers ,mothers and work hard and have an optimistic pro Human future full of happiness and prosperity. And in that perception Most of Humanity can find purpose.

But due to the Brutal Reality of the world and the information war that is going on along with rising population, One theme of reality is not encompassing all of humanity and the General Psyche of Humanity is Splintered into different Niches.

While such is true for the Majority of Humanity, I don't think we as a consciously aware group of people on this forum (probably fewer than we think) Have to necessarily abide by any of this. I believe I can make up my own perception of reality and reinforce it through repeated actions in a particular direction and willpower.

So I formed my own philosophy based on the Nietzschean notion of dismantling social constructs and creating your own values and goals to adhere to.

And that Philosophy is the Philosophy of Action insofar that "We are what we do and achieve" . Instead of identifying with a Perception of yourself that is mentally constructed, I identify with actions. I don't think therefore that any kind of things that is outside of your control can form a basis of your identity. Those things then lose importance.

For Example - One cannot control that one was born poor. But one can control their actions through which they can become rich in the future.

For Example - One cannot control if one was born short so one has to do everything in their power to earn more and more money and success and approach more and more women to succeed in dating.

These things then lose power over one's self and one is free from their influence. One can now only focus on their actions to make my life better.

You can't change your ethnicity, you cannot change your height, the place you were born or if you were born poor or rich ,or your sexuality. So things that are outside of your control should not create emotional burden in your mind because there is no Correlation between your actions and them.

My Philosophy of not identifying with Things outside of control is empowering in nature and is necessary for people who want to become better.


The problem with attaching your identity with Sexuality is that in the back of your mind it can create further problems. I will explain this but I do not want my Homosexual brothers to take this the wrong way. So I request you that you read further with a clear mind.

A Heterosexual Woman can take pride in her Sexuality because she has the ability to create life. And that is perfectly fine. But the Homosexual men Cannot take pride in their sexuality because they cannot create children. I say the same thing for Lesbian Women.

So when Jews in society force this message of Gay Pride ,they are creating a cognitive dissonance in Homosexuals where they feel they are owed Appreciation just like a Heterosexual woman is for their sexuality. When a woman says "I am proud to be a woman" , I agree with her because she has the universal power to create life and no one else can.

I don't think there is anything wrong with Gay sex. I don't think there is anything wrong with gay people. I am just saying there is nothing to be proud of for being Homosexual because it doesn't create life. Just like I can't be proud of masturbating and tell others "I am proud to be Heterosexual - That involves masturbating to Heterosexual porn." There is no pride in that because it doesn't contribute anything to society at large. Maybe if I become a father to a child ,I can sat I'm proud to be a dad because I created a life.

Homosexual Sex doesn't contribute anything to society so you cannot expect society to appreciate you back. A woman creates children and that child can grow up to become a productive member of society. Homosexual Sex produces pleasure.

And I would say this for anything that doesn't contribute to society. I cannot be proud of playing video games even though I feel really good in my mind ,it doesn't do anything for society at large. Maybe if I become a twitch streamer and provide entertainment, I can be proud of my entertainment value to society.

A woman's entire identity can be attached to her kids and there is nothing wrong with it ,because she did raise them up. It is very common for women to be known by their sons or daughter.
"Oh Sally is Jenna's Mom. Oh Sally is Nick's Mom." The Sex created Children and she can be proud of her children. Homosexuals having sex cannot be proud of anything because they did not create anything.

So my model of thinking empowers Homosexuals because once they start identifying with their goals and work ,they can be proud of themselves for achieving the goals they set out for themselves. This positively reinforces their mind and creates a feedback loop to feel proud of who they are.

Maybe if you're an extremely Hedonistic person your perception may allow you to take pride in how much sex and orgasms you had but I don't think this is the general population on this forum. I think that only Women can base their own identity on Sex and the resulting children because of their ability to create children.

Even Heterosexual men don't take much pride in their sexuality of the ability to give half of the material to create children. They most of the time identity with their achievements and work.

If all this happened, there would be no reason for this Homosexual pride issue and there would be no further divisions between Homosexuals and Heterosexuals and we can all live among each other without constantly being triggered at each other. If men in General left this idea of Pride in Sexuality, Homosexuality would be normalized and wouldn't be such a big issue to fight over.

That is just my opinion on it. And this is because Homosexuals are desperately trying to feel pride in something that isn't necessarily something that one can be proud of. This perception of forcing oneself to be proud of something is the root cause of a lot of anxiety. People should be proud of who they are regardless of their sexuality because of their actions in life.

I am just giving my opinion on things. I don't want to cause anyone to feel bad about themselves. It is the Jewish media which is causing you pain. You should be proud of what you have done in your lives and for your race.

White Male Homosexuals make a lot of money because they don't have to spend it on women and don't have children. What if they becqme racially aware and donated some of that money to Struggling White Heterosexual Families ? That would be something to be proud of.

Remember - Homosexuals were prevalent in Nazi Germany but they were never forcing a Homosexual Pride theme. It was normalized to the point no one talked about it.

And my Philosophy of the World is based around children and the future so if you have different beliefs then obviously you would not accept my view on this subject. And that is fine. We can just agree to disagree at that point.

 

[GoldenxChild1]

The topic of sexuality tends to snowball out of control most of the time. Satan, the gods, and the JOS have given their official stances.

We are all free to form our own consensus and this is a positive. It wouldn't be healthy for everyone to be on the same page as we are not all the same.

This doesn't include delusion but things of natural tendency.

So as to sexual orientation, as it's been said, as long as you are engaging in safe consensual sexual activity with an adult it is of no consequence.

 

[Pumpkin671]

The day we decided with HPS Maxine that that was unbearable was the day that he literally said that the God Set did meet with him in BDSM attire or something, holding a whip.

This is on a whole other level of sexually repressed or even morbid lying, and that is not good. These cannot be factored in as Spiritual Experiences but are reflections of a stubborn or even diseased mind. He said just about anything to connect it forcibly with "homosexuality" or sexual vocations or whatever.

That is not a thing a real HP or any person who loves the Gods would do. It was not done on bad intention and he wasn't disloyal but that is totally sick.

Past a point it was that bad that it really enraged HPS Maxine and I couldn't help it but be enraged after excusing the situation too many times because I thought he would eventually understand this and stop. There was also not a single post that didn't mention or enforce homosexuality.

On another topic he had said that Satan would abandon anyone who didn't like homosexuals or something. Satan allows you to have your OWN opinion and to who you will like or not like, and you will be accepted as you are, and not abandonned if you hate "homosexuals" or whatever. Comments like this were the last straw for this.

After a rather indecent argument with HPS Maxine when he was called on this [I always defended him as I considered him a brother, but constantly emphasized what needed to happen to fix these things - this failed], he was booted out privately.

Alcoholism and other aspects which were left unrectified for years and years, and could easily be rectified as the Gods had indeed given clear instructions on what to do that we passed, all failed. After a point the comments was like reading things wrote by a madman and not a fitting High Priest.

Then I had to follow with the public procedures and clear up.

Hello HP ^^

Because of Jack, won't there be a priest or something to represent gays in the future? it's sad, so it's not like lgbt which is Jewish corruption, but won't it be someone who will represent gays in a more satanic way ?

so I came up with such an idea. I thought that there might be someone in the future who can represent it better than jack and please don't be misunderstood I'm just asking my purpose is not to make lgbt propaganda or anything and I'm sorry if I caused it to be understood like that

(I apologize if there are any mistakes in translation and spelling.)

Have a nice evening ^^

There is absolutely no need for a gay rapresentative, and the reason for that is that a gay is no more important than a heterosexual, it's literally just a sexuality, and it doesn't make you any special.

I agree with Aquarius. No need for it.

 

[Lysander Florian Thornis]

The day we decided with HPS Maxine that that was unbearable was the day that he literally said that the God Set did meet with him in BDSM attire or something, holding a whip.

This is on a whole other level of sexually repressed or even morbid lying, and that is not good. These cannot be factored in as Spiritual Experiences but are reflections of a stubborn or even diseased mind. He said just about anything to connect it forcibly with "homosexuality" or sexual vocations or whatever.

That is not a thing a real HP or any person who loves the Gods would do. It was not done on bad intention and he wasn't disloyal but that is totally sick.

Past a point it was that bad that it really enraged HPS Maxine and I couldn't help it but be enraged after excusing the situation too many times because I thought he would eventually understand this and stop. There was also not a single post that didn't mention or enforce homosexuality.

On another topic he had said that Satan would abandon anyone who didn't like homosexuals or something. Satan allows you to have your OWN opinion and to who you will like or not like, and you will be accepted as you are, and not abandonned if you hate "homosexuals" or whatever. Comments like this were the last straw for this.

After a rather indecent argument with HPS Maxine when he was called on this [I always defended him as I considered him a brother, but constantly emphasized what needed to happen to fix these things - this failed], he was booted out privately.

Alcoholism and other aspects which were left unrectified for years and years, and could easily be rectified as the Gods had indeed given clear instructions on what to do that we passed, all failed. After a point the comments was like reading things wrote by a madman and not a fitting High Priest.

Then I had to follow with the public procedures and clear up.

Hello HP ^^

Because of Jack, won't there be a priest or something to represent gays in the future? it's sad, so it's not like lgbt which is Jewish corruption, but won't it be someone who will represent gays in a more satanic way ?

so I came up with such an idea. I thought that there might be someone in the future who can represent it better than jack and please don't be misunderstood I'm just asking my purpose is not to make lgbt propaganda or anything and I'm sorry if I caused it to be understood like that

(I apologize if there are any mistakes in translation and spelling.)

Have a nice evening ^^

There is absolutely no need for a gay rapresentative, and the reason for that is that a gay is no more important than a heterosexual, it's literally just a sexuality, and it doesn't make you any special.

I never thought of it that way, you are right, we are not special, we are no different from heterosexuals.
Thank you for answering my question ^^

Have a nice evening

 

[tabby]

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I need something more close and intimate, and I think that's precisely why the dream I had was so cathartic. Because in that dream, someone I admire, someone strong enough to protect me even, wanted me as a man. I guess stuff like that only happens in dreams though. Haha...
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I have a suggestion if you are willing to hear it.
It’s noted that you have a deep fear of rejection and abandonment, and the thought of finding a different compatible partner instead of your fiance is out of the question for you on a personal level… with that in mind, would you agree or disagree that life would be far more fulfilling and happier for you if your fiance accepted you as a man but still acted to protect you and support as if you were female?

My suggestion is to talk to him about it if you feel you agree. If he truly wants you for you, and wants to support you as his partner, he’ll accept you and there shouldn’t be any major problems with opening up about what you actually desire deep down - which it seems is what this dream is trying to reveal to you.

All goes well, you don't have to pretend anymore, not to him and not to yourself. Then follow the advice JG Blitzkreig gave with freeing the soul workings. Might not be a bad idea to do a munka working for freeing yourself of the trauma of being rejected/abandoned and a male at some point, then go from there.

As for others in your life who have accepted you being "female", if they also truly support you and accept you for you, then it won't matter to them that you are a more feminine man with a partner who is also a man, and that this has been a tough struggle for you. Many withouts will just nod their head and go along with things, doing their best to "support" you because they don't know how best to help you and don't know what to do, usually out of fear of political correctness. Their opinions of you can wait in this process, so don't listen to them. Your fiance seems to be the single most important person who's opinion in your life is what can make or break you, so communicate with each other and be honest.

If it turns out your friend group don't accept you, don't be afraid of the rejection, because it just means these people only accepted a false perception of you. IF this happens, you can do a working to attract friends who are compatible and will accept you for not being a stereotypical guy in the world, and will be a positive influence for your growth.

If it helps to say at all, there’s a stigma that men can’t be beautiful, have long hair and be more feminine and whatever - I say bullshit. If society is willing to accept trannies, it can shut up with its xtiantised opinions about the existence of beautiful feminine men.

 

[Stormblood]

Hello HP ^^

Because of Jack, won't there be a priest or something to represent gays in the future? it's sad, so it's not like lgbt which is Jewish corruption, but won't it be someone who will represent gays in a more satanic way ?

so I came up with such an idea. I thought that there might be someone in the future who can represent it better than jack and please don't be misunderstood I'm just asking my purpose is not to make lgbt propaganda or anything and I'm sorry if I caused it to be understood like that

(I apologize if there are any mistakes in translation and spelling.)

Have a nice evening ^^

There is absolutely no need for a gay rapresentative, and the reason for that is that a gay is no more important than a heterosexual, it's literally just a sexuality, and it doesn't make you any special.

I never thought of it that way, you are right, we are not special, we are no different from heterosexuals.
Thank you for answering my question ^^

Have a nice evening

I also agree with them, and I don't think that a clergy member's sexuality should be forcefully made public domain. If they want it know, it's fine; if they don't, it's their prerogative.

 

[Lysander Florian Thornis]

There is absolutely no need for a gay rapresentative, and the reason for that is that a gay is no more important than a heterosexual, it's literally just a sexuality, and it doesn't make you any special.

I never thought of it that way, you are right, we are not special, we are no different from heterosexuals.
Thank you for answering my question ^^

Have a nice evening

I also agree with them, and I don't think that a clergy member's sexuality should be forcefully made public domain. If they want it know, it's fine; if they don't, it's their prerogative.

yes, now that I think about it, it makes sense. And you're right, we're not special, we don't have any difference anyway, now this is a thought, so my other thought was that something like LGBT could occur. Also, if there is a priest to represent homosexuals, there should be a priest to represent heterosexuals as well, and this is not a place where representatives etc. meet, so yes, I agree with you. ^^

And if I've misrepresented myself by pretending to be pro-LGBT, please forgive me because I don't want you to misunderstand me and I'm sorry if I caused you to misunderstand me.

(I apologize if there are any mistakes in translation and spelling.)

Have a nice Day ^^

 

[FancyMancy]

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Good luck brother. I hope that you will feel better soon.

Thanks, Oly. It seems like it was a very temporary and minor... glitch, shall we say. Turning it off and turning it back on again (i.e. sleeping) seems to have done the trick!

I remember your comment on the thread posted by blackwizard. Reading it had a vague but lasting positive impression on me. I do not think that I am the only one who felt that way. Your comments always had a cheerful upbeat tone which when read, cheers someones up. I think members like you are also needed on the forums. Like everyone has some sort of role to play.

That makes it worthwhile.

"and this thing are all in the Physical World. "

Could you clarify what you meant by this ?

I meant people in the Physical World, those who I interact with, as opposed to online virtually. If you're wondering why I capitalise some initials in some words - it's because I deliberately don't capitalise things such as "god" and "jesus" (christians do it against Satan and Daemons/Daemonesses, so why not?!) and "jewish"; Humans and Earth, etc., are important; (((the others))) are not. Likewise, the jew and its "holy" (or holey) scriptures and media capitalise the J in "jew" but do not capitalise the P in "Pagan" nor the G in "Gentile/s". Similarly, whomever told the subtitler to subtitle in sci-fi decided that they should capitalise the initials in the names of various species of alien, but for some reason not to capitalise the H in "Human/s"... I even capitalise the E in "Energy", for example; Energy is... well... everywhere, everything - and important, so it is sort of rubbing it in the face of the jew, christians, muslims, etc. Also, I capitalise W in "Woman/Women" and M in "Man/Men" and C in "Child/Children" and B in "Baby/Babies"; I say "it" when referring to the jew, and I state "the jew" (singular), but I state "[the] reptillians" (plural); the jew appreciates my disrespect for it, and feigned 'respect' for its overlords!

"Fancy's apologising in the hopes that he'll be selected as a JoS Guardian soon!"

I don't see the need for you to specify this part. Let others think whatever they want.
Thinking about what others think will only waste your time if it hinders your advancement.
However, thinking about what others think and learning things to further your advancement is a different matter.

Yeah, usually I don't. People think what they want. In either a bitter tone or humourous fake-arrogant tone, which might sound rather arrogant, sometimes I say or think that they think I am a celebrity, because they are very bothered about me. Maybe I should charge them for my autograph!

hopefully I make people smile if not laugh.

I neither smiled nor laughed when reading your comments. Well, perhaps I did, I don't remember. Regardless, I think that almost always I felt cheered up.

Humour is arbitrary. (Saying that, mine, of course, is the best!)

There might be lots of fans of Jack (I am not pointing out to anyone specifically) and I don't think there's any thing wrong with that. However it is also true that there might be also lots of fans of you here. I am definitely one of them. Without your guidance which I asked for when I was new here, perhaps I might not be here typing this. The comment was made for the sole purpose of sending support and positive energies. Lol, normies typing 'sending support and positive energies' is what comes into my mind. However, I mean it.

I think it was you who mentioned that before. I haven't seen you on much. I remembered those in my thread because the latest one was recent; the earlier one was by a member who I thought I got on quite well with. As I said, I haven't seen you on very much.

In any case, hopefully I will have cheered you up. Though I do not know if writing the above was a good thing to you or not. I can perhaps afford to not cheer you up once but I can never afford to hinder your advancement in any sort of way. Hopefully, things will work out and you will have learned a lot after this.
Cheers !!!

I wasn't seeking this, but it's nice that someone (you, in this case) said it. Whether "I don't care what others think" or not, it's still nice, and important, to be recognised and praised sometimes. Thanks, mon.

 

[FancyMancy]

Can you please tell me why you continue ignoring this message from Jack, and you keep pretending like he never said this. This is about as clear as it gets. This is Jack's message, which he clarified by directly writing this. I want you to please read this statement from Jack, think about if you agree with it. And if you want to address anything that Jack has said, address this one statement. Which is his statement of clarifying his opinion to remove past misunderstanding.


Mancy, I have always liked you. I think you're a good guy. But you are seriously looking insane in some of your comments just ranting forever. Just look at your comments again and see what it looks like. I think you must have some influence in your life right now that is making you react like this because you usually are acting completely different. You usually are much nicer and more patient.Maybe some astrological influence. I am trying to help you by showing you that this was just a misunderstanding and you have nothing to fight about. I am quoting Jack's message here so you can see what he is saying, and you just absolutely refuse to see it and continue yelling about the past misunderstanding as if it was truth.


And don't start whining about people taking Jack's side because it isn't even about Jack. None of this is personal. And if you do want to complain vaguely about "people defending Jack" you should be honest enough to confront me directly and ask me why it looks like I'm on his side, since I am the person who is doing it.

My answer is that when I see a clear misunderstanding, I usually try to correct it and restore order, regardless of who is involved. Most people know that Stormblood and I did not used to get along well, and did not like each other very much, but about a week ago I was "defending" Stormblood from Jrvan by trying to fix a misunderstanding between them. Even all the arguments and dislike between me and Stormblood were based on these exact same kind of stupid misunderstandings. All I am trying to do is remove and prevent worthless arguments by showing when it was just a misunderstanding and was really based on nothing.

I have 2 replies. I can't decide which to post, so I'll post both.

1) I am not ignoring that. I said that... again... that "Totally wrong" is not exactly clear and explanatory, and Jack's fans are cool with that. Also that "Totally Wrong x 2" is a shit-posting, piss-taking, troll reply to fuck around on here, and the fans threw their knickers at him on stage. After I pressed it, Jack only then made a fuller reply, and supposedly "clarified" it - in what you are emphasising here. He could have made full sense, maturely and respectfully straight away; instead, he replied stupidly and you (I didn't want to point fingers) keep/kept defending him.

2) I am not ignoring that. We'll all just ignore the stupid posts, which were unhelpful and just troll shit-posts - or more so, the second one in reply to me, that Jack posted initially, then...



Something has been happening... I don't quite know what. It seemed to come on subtly, hardly able to detect it. I lost my cool with others who I interact quite amicably, even 'sillily', silly-ly, with frequently. Separately from that I was out shopping minding my own business and someone, a complete stranger, decided to be a big and hard dickhead to me for no reason; I hadn't said or done anything to them or regarding them whatsoever. Usually I do not go to that shop and I was looking to buy something which I wouldn't buy usually. I actually went away from that shop and then want back to it, which is also highly unusual for me; if I decided to not try to buy that item (which I couldn't find anyway), or just not go to that shop at all, or if I went there earlier or later... this wouldn't have happened. So cOiNcIdEnCe or whatever, it just happened to happen... Another thing is that I have to go through something slowly, this is related to another bunch of stuff... but for a part of it it is regarding someone else's choices and well-being, etc., and I have to wait. I have been impatient while trying to be encouraging and supportive (not very successfully, unfortunately) and it's fucking frustrating... (a positive, though, is that regarding this person's choices and understandings, they seem to be coming on-board with SS; they are into Paganism already and know jew shit is shit, and seem to agree with NS; they've tried meditating a bit, as well, so that's all cool; I can't push any or all of these things, and this is part of the frustration (but not the only thing))... but losing my cool with those others, and the shop incident, and this thing are all in the Physical World.

As for online... I don't know. Maybe I needed to vent... along with what I meant, which is as noticeable as can be seen in forum posts, a particular member seems to hate non-heterosexuality (and also adding in other examples I added) that it seemed, along with the retarded shit posts, trolling and immaturity, as if he was taking the piss in the hopes a new user would accept the non-heterosexuality hatred. Maybe I let my guard down and I got stuck in a web of tangled drama... which usually I avoid. Regardless of my personal thoughts, feelings, opinions, understandings and misunderstandings, etc., sorry to Jack, to Oly, HPS Maxine, HPHC, others reading/visiting, Satan. I suppose, perhaps, most-importantly, I should apologise to myself for not seeing the banana peel on the floor... Some who are sceptical or cynical might think, "Fancy's apologising in the hopes that he'll be selected as a JoS Guardian soon!". I say this because (it might be an illusion on my part, but...) I seem to have noticed that some members changed their behaviour after the first Guardians were announced. (Sorry for my own cynicism). As for me "maybe being a Guardian" - no. Far from it. I think I mentioned before, or if I didn't then I mean to, that I wouldn't mind being a non-HP mod, since I have experience with that from elsewhere, but I'm not holding my breath. If this forum and these sites were not as serious and important as they are, I might be much more interested in being a... whatever role member/staff, but I can't allow myself to be so on such a serious and important movement as this; I (don't mind saying that... usually, I) am more silly and playful about things, rather than being good for higher role or higher tier things, or at least I consider myself to be like that. Other things, in a more calmer way, should be fine, though. I like to try and be silly (not all appreciate my humour, unfortunately!) and hopefully I make people smile if not laugh. I am not all-silly, though. The things I share, such as j/news, my long pic/vid thread, other long pic threads, my collection of same-topic things threads... I take very seriously (the pic/vid thread includes some jibing against christianity, etc., of course!) I'm not apologising for lip-service or empty words/text, iN tHe HoPeS of being selected. Some might still doubt my words, that I am apologising solely for that reason. That's understandable; I'd do the same. I think I might have let too much cynicism grab ahold of me and it came out on here, based on (admittedly only bits of) information/posts I have seen and can remember, and I pieced them together in whatever ways.

To doubt yourself is to yield. Everyone you were defending are the ones who will be let down. Even if others shame you for engaging in drama, it was important to you, right? If it's important to you then you aren't mistaken for your course of action.

Well, that's one way of thinking about it. Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick (while having other things on my mind).

If you want to stand tall for others then the cruelest thing you can do to them is to doubt yourself and give in to others. They will fall off your back.

I am not a member of any (((LGBT))) or non-heterosexual club, group, site... It might be a good idea to join some, though. (Oh, I did on Discord, but meh to that.)

There's nothing wrong with calling out assholes and holding them accountable for what they say, especially when it's something that matters to a lot of people. For all you know there could be a lot of people in the background who were glad you spoke up.

Well, yeah. That is actually one thing. I don't want to seem like a saviour in this sense, but I have seen that others tend not to be as direct or forthcoming sometimes. It seems like some either fear or worry that they'll be bullied by other members for speaking out or banned (like the religiousness of here in a cliquéy manner); I'm a long-time member so maybe I "have permission" or "have gained [respect? or] reputation" so that it's OK, maybe (even if any or many dislike me). I shouldn't do it all the time, though, for reasons of not shitting all over everything.

If you can look back and see that something changed as a result of the drama, or something positive came from it like people gaining better understanding - then it was worth it. Not all drama is pointless drama, and sometimes even if drama seems pointless we just can't see the point of it yet. A big picture perspective reveals a lot.

Yeah. Quite often I am reminded of something along the lines of "Users should be allowed to post" or voice (text) their thoughts and feelings, etc. (I also said quite recently about, by now, we should be able to bitch and slag-off each other if/when necessary, as we - hopefully - have gained some sort of good bond with each other, that this boxing match is necessary sometimes, and acceptable, even if horrible or shit). Similarly, if all threads, posts and pages are to be archived or kept and saved, perhaps printed out one day, transferred to whichever medium... then others in the future can read through things and see a sort-of chronology of things, maturity, understanding, behaviours, etc., including the things about HPS Maxine's beginnings of this Ministry from 2002 or so, and prior. It can all - as you say - paint a big picture. One might say it is like the Tapestry Chronology/Chronicle of JoSM, how it was weaved, etc.

Jack has proven that he doesn't give a shit about any of us, and he doesn't think of us as family. He said that one should be sensitive with their family but not others, and he mocks people here for being sensitive. That means we're not considered family by him. He's just here to troll and get a rise out of people for his own amusement like you said. That's his great purpose on Father's forums... trolling. What a legend.

...and still has defenders...

Well, like mageson like Jack the Lad. (I wanted to say that "the Lad" before, but I think I didn't.) Even so, this trolling, infiltrating, posing, agents, etc., will still be in the tapestry, but it will be the tassels at the bottom which are dirty and wet from sewerage, like mud flaps.

 

[Jack]

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What is your problem with me and why are you trying to create an infighting situation on this forum.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

"Fancy's apologising in the hopes that he'll be selected as a JoS Guardian soon!"

Good luck with that dude reading one of your posts is like walking through an asylum you are seriously unhinged.

 

[FancyMancy]

"Fancy's apologising in the hopes that he'll be selected as a JoS Guardian soon!"

Good luck with that dude

That was just one encounter once when I was out shopping. From what I experienced, he's more a dickhead than a dude.

reading one of your posts is like walking through an asylum

Which post?

you are seriously unhinged.

Do you have oil? It squeaks a bit.

Also - what does your reply have to do with what you quoted? :?

If you want to stand tall for others then the cruelest thing you can do to them is to doubt yourself and give in to others. They will fall off your back.

I am not a member of any (((LGBT))) or non-heterosexual club, group, site... It might be a good idea to join some, though. (Oh, I did on Discord, but meh to that.)

I don't think of it as championing the LGBT cause or anything like that. To me it's just leadership. If you're the first one to say a particular thing, and there are others who think and feel the same but don't say it because you already said it best... well, in a way they stand behind you with the stance you have taken and the things you have said. I think a lot of people might feel let down if they see someone who represents their position in a sense give in and invalidate themselves publicly. They might feel like the space for their perfectly valid thoughts, opinions, perspective, etc... has been taken away and banished from the forums in a way. It might seem like (even if it's not the case) that the air of the forums is rejecting something.

I don't know about the leadership part... but what you said makes sense, yeah. At least someone defended something which at least some others would agree with and hopefully appreciate, but leadership? I don't think so.

I could of course be wrong about this. Maybe it doesn't matter as much as I think it does.

I think it matters. If the non-heterosexual-haters kept speaking out, and the non-heterosexuals didn't, then it would seem like this forum, these sites, this Ministry and Satan and the Gods and Goddesses are all just for heterosexuals and non-heterosexual-hating/bashing.

 

[FancyMancy]

Everyone here hates trannies.

I'm just poking my head in just to say that I have not said whether I love or hate 'trannies'. (I might be taking what you typed too literally, though.)

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

https://youtu.be/sVxJ016xb4Q

I thought you were done with all the garbling about your ding dong and how you want to chop it off so you can live out your sick fetish of being a woman? But alas this forum is still being treated like a dirty bathroom stall for you to write your tranny graffiti all over.
But that’s not all. I’m here to refute your drivel from an actual Gay male perspective.

My I've heard of gay bottoms who are fine with their body, and love their dick, and love to get jacked off while they're getting fucked so they can cum in multiple ways at the same time. They tend to say stuff like "women are gross, why would I want to be one?",

That’s me. Though I’m more vers leaning.

where I'm not sure if they're lying to themselves to cope, or if that's how they honestly feel.

YOU are the one that is lying to yourself and coping by believing that every gay male is secretly some unhinged tranny freak like you just because they enjoy bottoming.I am more than content with being a male and the problem is that you literally cannot comprehend that everyone isn’t like you. You have lived inside the bubble that your subconscious mind has created for so long that you are extremely disconnected from reality and you genuinely believe that even .1% of gay or feminine males think and feel the way you do about their body and gender identity. It’s absurd.

(Also, even if they were female, they could just give their clitoris some attention for similar results; personally, I fail to see how having a dick makes any meaningful difference there. And yet they take such pride in their maleness despite their lack of masculinity in every other aspect of their life? It puzzles me.)

Another meteor-ism. I think we need to start making lists of the absolutely mind numbing things like this that you say and release it under a book called..
Meteorisms 2:The garbling. I think it would be a hit! Anyway back to your ridiculous post. I could write an entire essay on this paragraph of yours alone but I’ll keep it simple.

An actual full sized male penis and testicles are not in ANY WAY comparable to a woman’s clitoris. They don’t look the same. They don’t serve the same function and to debunk what you said directly they are not stimulated and they don’t have an orgasm in the same way. And the last part of your comment doesn’t even deserve comment because of how stupid it is. Getting banged=Not masculine in any way, according to our prized basket case. More extreme projection from you.

I’d say I feel sorry for you but everyone has run out of pity for you and your insanity. Paragraphs like the one above really show how disconnected and rotten to the core you are.

 

[Jack]

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What is your problem with me and why are you trying to create an infighting situation on this forum.

Now you care? I could create a whole long list. Why don't you do some self reflection and review your own post history and behavior throughout your time here on the forums. I'm not going to spell it out for you again and again like so many others have done. A lot of people here don't like you, and you act like you have no idea why. Figure it out for yourself. Even this reply to me is an act of manipulation. Everything about you is just an act... there's nothing real. There are many reasons why I personally don't like you, and the biggest are that you're a toxic bully and you're a lying manipulator. I no longer have any faith that you will ever change and act like an actual human being.

Fuck it. One more attempt. You preach this grand philosophy that people need to shut up about their emotions (control as you falsely put it) and focus on action and moving forward in the awful world we live in, and this on its own would be well and fine - and maybe even helpful advice to some people. However, we need to examine the contexts in which you are repeatedly saying this to people. Every single time it was when you got challenged by someone after you went trolling and deliberately pissed people off. So you're not giving this potentially good advice for the purpose of helping anyone... no, you're shoving it down peoples' throats just to silence and distract them so you can get them off your back because you don't want to deal with them confronting you and owning up to what you said. You also can't conceive of what will come after we win the spiritual war, and people have more support and understanding from people in their lives for their emotions and what they are going through. Incidentally this is offered now in this haven for people away from the crazy world we live in, and you want to just shit all over it and force people to shut up about their emotions so you don't have to deal with people being mad at you. You create the problem, and then you act like other people are the problem for reacting to you. Do you want people to take you seriously, or do you want them to disregard everything you say because you don't want them reacting to you? Make up your mind.

Your problem is the same problem every other member has with me and all of it comes down to astrological incompatibility. A lot of people correctly understand what I'm saying and it has made their lives far better as a result.

You are interpreting the message wrong and your perception of me is clouding your judgement on my message.

Your hyperemotional nature is an impediment to you even understanding another person. How could it benefit you then in real life when your emotions are clouding your judgement of someone's message and forcing you to misinterpret it.

You don't have to like me and I don't have to like anyone to take profitable lessons from someone's message. I cannot change how I come off across to anyone who is not receptive to hearing what I have to say and if they disagree then that is their prerogative.

I absolutely do not care about how you are in your real life and I'm not going to care. Just from reading your messages I can already tell that you will never actualize your potential because of your inability to discern profit and loss from someone regardless of their tone.

You're issues with me comes down to your perception of how I am as a person. I don't care how anyone is as a person. I care about how they act and what the end results are. I will take advice from an arrogant self centered narcissist who is successful before taking advice from a humble emotional person who has been unsuccesful his entire life. And that is the difference between you and me.

You don't have a strong sense of self which is why you're very concerned by how other people act and you're bothered by how they act towards you. You don't have thick skin because you have self doubt. And because you have self doubt your perception is clouding your judgement.

I don't have self doubt. I know what I'm capable of achieving as an individual and I know what I can't achieve as an individual. I'm not bothered by anyones words because I can see in my life that's not true. I only focus on the words and sentences that benefit me to improve as an individual. And that's called having thick skin.

Every Satanist wants to become better in life and to be better in life is to learn how to not be bothered by what people say ,having a strong sense of self and being able to discern profit and loss from a message.

Even now when you're telling me that I'm a toxic bully and am a manipulator I'm searching for statements that could benefit my presentation and trying to understand better what people with your nature suffer in understanding from my message.

I'm not bothered by anyone except three people in my life. And that's it. I'm not bothered by anyone on this forum or in my life whom I interact with. Because it's pointless and doesn't affect my life in any meaningful way. But if I discern what they're saying it could help my life improve in some meaningful ways.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

It seems you misunderstood. I'm aware that people like me are extremely rare, and it's not that I assume others must be lying for having a different experience or opinion than mine. I just genuinely don't understand how you're able to feel that way; and since I don't understand it, it's hard for me to tell whether these people are in some way fundamentally different from me, or if they're using some kind of mental gymnastics (i.e., "lying to themselves to cope") that I could utilise as well to improve my well-being in some way. I'm not criticising them, but rather, I'm curious, and interested in learning more about them, perhaps even to apply it myself.

You need to stop overthinking everything and think that people think the way you do. The average person gay or not isn’t sitting around being held captive to their mind like you are. I get fucked and enjoy it because that’s what I like. There’s literally nothing else to it. There’s no deep philosophical struggle within about if it’s masculine or not. I DONT CAREEEEE. I don’t wonder if I’m actually a women because I enjoy this. It’s no one else’s fault that you can’t imagine being a gay bottom because of your own insecurities about being a male that enjoys male sex.

You agreed to thinking women are gross.

I don’t ever recall saying this and if I did I don’t believe that and you probably misinterpreted it. Another Meteorism. A statement like this perfectly demonstrates how you are rotten to the core.

Being homosexual does NOT mean that I believe that “women are gross”. I appreciate the beauty of both genders but only feel drawn towards one. I can enjoy looking at a nice car without wanting to drive it if you know what I mean. The next paragraph is more garble so I’m skipping it.

Speculation is not giving me any real insights here. I've tried emphasising this multiple times, but it seems you still missed it, so I will state it again. I cannot wrap my head around the idea of being a gay bottom. For some reason, it's extremely difficult for me to understand how anyone can be like that. And yet people are. And that is just so fascinating to me... If anything, I admire and envy you for being so proud of the sexual preferences I felt ashamed of. I was merely trying to explain a few of the reasons why it's difficult for me to understand, and in no way did I intend to criticise you. I'm glad for you that you're happy just the way you are.

Your thoughts on Sex and gender identity is absolutely grotesque and insulting towards gay/femme males as well as women. You say the thought of 2 masculine males engaging in intercourse is arousing then later on contradict yourself to say whichever one is the bottom is “unmasculine in every other way”. One can be a power/dominant bttm which is very masculine but since you are so twisted you say that that is incomprehensible in the above paragraph.

Have you ever seen what a woman's clitoris looks like after years of exposure to high testosterone? I happened to stumble upon on it on 4chan. It looks just like a small little penis, but without a peehole. Apparently it can even get erect! Isn't that just so intriguing?

Have you ever seen what a cat looks like when you paint it with orange and black stripes? I happened to stumble upon it on animal planet. It looks just like a tiny tiger without the fangs. Apparently it can even purr and bathe itself like a real tiger! Isn’t that just so intriguing?

And then there's what I mentioned a while ago about some women having rather developed prostate glands around their urethra, in some cases enough for them to ejaculate prostate fluid. It's a bit surprising how much overlap there actually is. But you're right, a full-fledged penis is still quite a lot more than that. I would definitely be rather disappointed if my partner just had a clit instead of a dick!

Who cares. Freaks of nature are not the rule.

I'll admit I have a bad case of morbid curiosity, as should be obvious from that paragraph. But to say I'm "rotten to the core", while I have felt insecure about that at times since I feel somewhat tainted by what I've seen and experienced, I think that's a bit harsh.

It is perfectly accurate and you continue to demonstrate that.

I'm projecting deliberately, in order to make clear why I don't understand people like you, because I really want someone to help me understand. Don't you think it's a bit rude of you to insult me like that? I mean, for that matter, you sound rather triggered. I guess it can be a sensitive topic after all. Sorry for being so blunt about it all. I just felt like it was necessary in order to communicate clearly.

Don’t you think it’s a bit rude to attempt to blur the lines between gender and imply that a penis and clitoris are the same thing and to say that I’m unmasculine for being a gay male?

Like I said you are grotesque or “morbid” as you would say when it comes to these issues. Rudeness is the only way to properly speak with you.

Oh, that reminds me! When I was thinking about it a while ago, and I was trying to come to terms with some of my conflicting feelings, I thought of this sentence: "There's nothing unmasculine about wanting to be fucked in the pussy by someone I love and trust."

Sure there isn’t, if you’re an actual woman with an actual pussy.

I would repeat it to myself over and over; for some reason it just felt so soothing. I even mentioned it twice on the forums, but nobody reacted to it. Nonetheless, I even started to joke to myself, "Oh man, I look forward to having some sweet gay vaginal sex with my husband when I've had surgery and recovered from it!" While it was nonsensical, I definitely had a more positive outlook.

This is why trannyism is a fetish. You admit the whole reason you really want to transition is so that sex is more convenient and because you will have female organs.

You and the other trannies can feign that it’s because you were “born a women” or whatever excuse but from the horses mouth you want to transition solely because of the sexual implications.

You better not disappoint me with something shallow. Only a deep, complex mental construct would satisfy me. It's the least you can do for misunderstanding and being so awfully rude to everyone on the forums; although perhaps the latter is just your personality.

My “deep complex mental construct” is that you should seriously consider what you post and how it affects others because I have been in contact privately with someone that wanted to curse you. I told them not to because.

1. I don’t think SS should be cursing each other for any reason

2. You have done an adequate enough job of cursing and destroying yourself.

So you may think that me writing a “rude and triggered reply” is the worst consequence that your words here can have but it isn’t. There people here that feel genuinely insulted and belittled by some of things you have said and they want to send it back to you.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

That actually seems really hot with the visual that came to mind.

I guess this explains the squirrel avatar, you secretly love the taste of nuts!

 

[FancyMancy]

Everyone here hates trannies.

I'm just poking my head in just to say that I have not said whether I love or hate 'trannies'. (I might be taking what you typed too literally, though.)

Love or hate? So your feelings are one way or the other, and nothing in-between? (I might be taking what you typed too literally.)

You said "hate", so I was just using that word and the opposite. I have not said whether I like or dislike 'trannies'. My attitude is if someone feels (or muh feelz) they should chop their bits off and replace them with other bits, then... there might be something wrong with them, but saying that I don't know all of the Spiritual aspects and inclinations of it. If I knew a 'tranny' in-person (online is different; on the Internet, no-one knows you're a dog) but I didn't know they were [pre]MtF or [pre]FtM and we got on, or we didn't get on, then we did or didn't; if I knew one and they told me they were [pre]MtF or [pre]FtM and we got on, or we didn't get on, then we did or didn't. While I would disagree with them - and yes, this is my attitude - chopping their bits off to replace them with other bits, if they were a dick or a dude, then that's that.

Yeah, I admit I was exaggerating to make a point. I know there's people here who don't really have a strong opinion about it, as well as at least a few who even think somewhat positively of it (for example in a sense of self-actualisation / being true to oneself), but mostly keep that to themselves to avoid pointless conflict, as well as at least one person who expressed he loves people like that, in the sense of having a fetish for such people. There's also people who were at odds with their gender themselves in the past, and while they might disagree with taking things so far, they at least sympathise since they know what it feels like to an extent. And then there's several people undergoing hormone therapy themselves and/or trying to change how they express their gender, some of whom occasionally come crawling out of the woodwork to express their insecurities, only to get insulted and go back into hiding.

(In my experience, from what I have seen and from what I know) it appears to be mostly in the White Race that people "have to" "change sex". As a White person, realising that the White Race is being attacked and - as the jew fantasises about - is attempted to be destroyed, fully and completely... that makes me uncomfortable and disapprove of such acts, regardless of whether "it's my body" or not.

I may be offensive in what I say here. I can remember ages ago I mentioned e.g. Vikings to you, but you didn't understand my meaning. I am using it as an example. They were warriors, White, proud, strong, defending their own, Norse. If they wanted to go through such extremes of changing their bits and pieces to make themselves feel better, instead of being warriors, then... well... like today, it is weakening the White Race, turning the Race as a whole, in the eyes of the other Races and (((race))), into pansies. This may be literal or symbolic, metaphorical, as a concept of moral, Spiritual, etc., abilities. In other words, this -

I'm fairly certain there's even someone who has been transgender and a Satanist for a very long time, but never mentioned it explicitly, and stopped talking about the topic at all a few years ago as she got tired of people's lack of understanding, and didn't want to ruin her reputation over it, unlike me. (While it was never stated explicitly, I read numerous posts when using the search function, and there's absolutely no way someone who isn't transgender would make comments like that; it was logic that only someone who is seriously planning on combining the Magnum Opus with a gender transformation would understand, and that stood out to me. I don't have that kind of patience personally, like damn, yo.) I bet she's secretly reading my posts and thinking to herself something along the lines of: "People here might not agree with me either if they knew my intentions, but at least I'm not that desperate and unhinged."

Of course, as I said, I am rather ignorant of it. As far as I know, there hasn't been anything to say one can't and shouldn't do any 'tranny' things, from an official or authouritative standpoint; only that from members and their opinions. Regardless of anything - it's one's body, one's life, and if we want to go all religious - Satan says, "I allow everyone to follow the dictates of his own nature, but he that opposes me will regret it sorely". I don't think Nature would put someone's Soul into the wrong-sex Body... but then again, these are chippy-choppy times we're living in, and things are all asunder. I forgot - didn't you say that in all of your lives you've always been in the wrong Body? Maybe you haven't. Surely others would have said "Maybe you haven't" or similar things to you before, and you would have debated it, so I am not really making that point very much.

I might be the only one on the forums at this time who seriously intends to undergo surgery relating to this, and at the very least I'm the only one who talks about it so openly (for better or worse), so maybe she's right that I really am the most unhinged "transgender" person here (I still dislike that word, since gender remains too vague of a concept to me for me to really consider myself as such). If there's anyone else reading this who is seriously considering it, my Guardian said to mention that you shouldn't do it. If it would really make you happier, then you'd know that in spite of anything anyone says to you. If you're hesitating, then be glad that you're not as desperate as I am, and cherish the peace you're able to find even without it; cherish that you're even able to hesitate.

Your Guardian said that one shouldn't have "sex changes"? Maybe those opposing it were on the right lines afterall...

...Anyway, now that I'm done talking to the shadows, I'll clarify the point I wanted to make. She used "trannies being accepted in society" as an argument that it should be fine to be openly gender non-conforming.

I apologise in advance for what I'm going to say - non-conforming... in a very conformist way.

While I agree with the latter, the argument she used is dubious, as there are many people in society who don't accept "trannies". Furthermore, many people actually get "trannies" and gender non-conforming people mixed up, or don't care about the difference, since to them people who don't fit into stereotypes "might as well be trannies", and both groups often end up being the target of hate crimes (I think "hate crime" is like, a buzzword? I don't mean it in a buzzword way. I just mean crimes, such as assault, motivated by hatred, such as the feelings of disgust some people (perhaps some xians, maybe some Satanists too?) experience when they see a particularly effeminate man or a butch woman).
As such, what she wrote seemed more like one of her ideals, something she wants to be true, than something that is actually true.

Speaking about christians - arguing even using the very logical, and not logical but just obvious and known argument... and not even argument but mere point (argument...) or point... that - "god" creates Universe, "god" stuffs Universe to the brim with Carbon, "god" stuffs Carbon to the brim with 666 (protons, neutrons, electrons), "god" says 666 is evil; ergo, "god" both creates evil and also "god" hates Nature, Humans, Animals, etc. - and they continue to ignore logic, argument, reason, obviousness... If one's Guardian Daemon/Daemoness said "One should not do 'sex-changes'" but one continues to do sex changes, for their muh feelz, then...

People are so stubborn. What we focus on consumes us, for good or for bad.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear you love or hate 'trannies'. It'd be rather boring if you didn't have a strong opinion on it!

It may seem like I hate 'trannies' because of what I said, but as I add things like "well, it's up to you" that might make it seem like the opposite, or that I haven't decided. Regardless, it's their life, their Body, their Soul, their existence... I should not be bogged-down by others' decisions whether those decisions are right or wrong - or whether I think, feel, believe those decisions are right or wrong. If you go through with it, then meh, to be honest (but my opinions still stand, and they are my own). I'd still interact with you as and when - if, for example, you turn into a dick, or a cunt (so as to be diverse :roll: ), then I probably won't interact with you as much or at all - but that's just obvious. My point is - having such a drastic, permanent, huge change is not merely 'chopping one's bits off and trying to replace them'. The hormones, the Mentality, the Psychology, the Soul aspects, behaviours... I just hope that you don't regret it and (no offence but) spend the next 60 years (I don't know how old you are) crying on here and elsewhere.

Similarly as christians do, you, Meteor, seem to be finding the tiniest bits of argument and actions and words, etc., as approval of what you want and intend to do, while ignoring the mountains of opposition, arguments, etc. against what you want and intend to do. In other words, confirmation bias. Me saying "I disapprove, but it's your body and life", I suspect very strongly that you will take as approval or lack of disapproval because I seem to have countered my own self, my own words, or because I didn't go fully 100%, and take it as confirmation to go and "change sex". 666 is in Carbon is in Nature is in the Universe which "god" "created", but nah, meh, that's just da Debull tricking us. You seem very set and unwavering, and nothing - no arguments, logic, or reason - anyone says... including your Guardian?! If there's anyone else reading this who is seriously considering it, my Guardian said to mention that you shouldn't do it. and you're ignoring that?! - will change your mind.

Nothing will change your mind. You don't want your mind to be changed, so I wonder - why all of these repeated posts and debates about it? What are you seeking? What are you doing?

You made your mind up long before you came to Spiritual Satanism, and despite your Guardian saying that you shouldn't do it, you intend to still do so. Then all of these discussions and arguments are pointless and a waste. Well, people have to make their own mistakes...

Hey, this is all just my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[FancyMancy]

That actually seems really hot with the visual that came to mind.

I mean... it seems really hot to me too, and I used to have dreams about that sometimes when I was younger. It's just a dilemma though, like, would I rather have that or just be a fake woman?

Oh, come on, Meteor. "Should I just be a fake Woman" bcoz muh feelz. Stop fart-arseing around. You said your Guardian said you shouldn't, but you still want to. The vibration level where you are has put you into this dilemma and confusion. Increase your vibration and then Spirituality and your Guardian will help you to be your actual true self. no more confusion, no more pathetic vegan jew shit. Just you and pride and strength.

 

[FancyMancy]

P.S. Let me guess - I must have misunderstood, yes? The logical fallacies you have been going through are telling me that your Brain is versing your Heart. They are in battle. You need to stop debating on this forum and start actually working on yourself. All the arguments will just keep mixing the pot with new ingredients; it's getting too bubbly and too many cooks spoil the broth, chef.

 

[FancyMancy]

Your problem is the same problem every other member has with me and all of it comes down to astrological incompatibility. A lot of people correctly understand what I'm saying and it has made their lives far better as a result.

You are interpreting the message wrong and your perception of me is clouding your judgement on my message.

Your hyperemotional nature is an impediment to you even understanding another person. How could it benefit you then in real life when your emotions are clouding your judgement of someone's message and forcing you to misinterpret it.

You don't have to like me and I don't have to like anyone to take profitable lessons from someone's message. I cannot change how I come off across to anyone who is not receptive to hearing what I have to say and if they disagree then that is their prerogative.

I absolutely do not care about how you are in your real life and I'm not going to care. Just from reading your messages I can already tell that you will never actualize your potential because of your inability to discern profit and loss from someone regardless of their tone.

You're issues with me comes down to your perception of how I am as a person. I don't care how anyone is as a person. I care about how they act and what the end results are. I will take advice from an arrogant self centered narcissist who is successful before taking advice from a humble emotional person who has been unsuccesful his entire life. And that is the difference between you and me.

You don't have a strong sense of self which is why you're very concerned by how other people act and you're bothered by how they act towards you. You don't have thick skin because you have self doubt. And because you have self doubt your perception is clouding your judgement.

I don't have self doubt. I know what I'm capable of achieving as an individual and I know what I can't achieve as an individual. I'm not bothered by anyones words because I can see in my life that's not true. I only focus on the words and sentences that benefit me to improve as an individual. And that's called having thick skin.

Every Satanist wants to become better in life and to be better in life is to learn how to not be bothered by what people say ,having a strong sense of self and being able to discern profit and loss from a message.

Even now when you're telling me that I'm a toxic bully and am a manipulator I'm searching for statements that could benefit my presentation and trying to understand better what people with your nature suffer in understanding from my message.

I'm not bothered by anyone except three people in my life. And that's it. I'm not bothered by anyone on this forum or in my life whom I interact with. Because it's pointless and doesn't affect my life in any meaningful way. But if I discern what they're saying it could help my life improve in some meaningful ways.

Totally false

x2! BOOM!

 

[Shadowcat]

That actually seems really hot with the visual that came to mind.

I mean... it seems really hot to me too, and I used to have dreams about that sometimes when I was younger. It's just a dilemma though, like, would I rather have that or just be a fake woman?

Oh, come on, Meteor. "Should I just be a fake Woman" bcoz muh feelz. Stop fart-arseing around. You said your Guardian said you shouldn't, but you still want to. The vibration level where you are has put you into this dilemma and confusion. Increase your vibration and then Spirituality and your Guardian will help you to be your actual true self. no more confusion, no more pathetic vegan jew shit. Just you and pride and strength.

Trust me, you are talking to a brick wall. People have been trying to give help and aid to this person for sometime now when they have made it very clear they do not want to be helped and are just looking to have people help them justify their delusions, even when it has been made clear that there is no one here who will be convinced that this is wholesome or good for advancement in any form. Don't waste your time.

Transgenderism is just another jewish mental illness

 

[Username]

I think it was you who mentioned that before. I haven't seen you on much. I remembered those in my thread because the latest one was recent; the earlier one was by a member who I thought I got on quite well with. As I said, I haven't seen you on very much.

Well of course it was 2 years back. I asked for your personal guidance and you replied.
There were also other members who replied but at that time I specifically asked for your guidance and you replied. That's also one of the many reasons why I am here typing this.
About forums, I won't be active right now because of reasons.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

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My opinion on the action philosphy

Ok, I believe I understand where you are coming from. I also went back and read through some of the older threads where you fought over gender relations.

I believe the total spiritual status and configuration of the person heavily influences their views and perceptions you describe. In a way, this can be very limiting, and certain people are better at objective reasoning than others, or in certain circumstances than others.

I can agree that your focus on action is empowering. I can also see how it would be limiting if you are unable to recognize both thoughts or actions which may initially seem useless, but have inherent potential. Anyone with underdeveloped lower chakras will have a harder time implementing any of the gifts from their higher chakras, for example.

In other words, someone could indirectly contribute something to what you value, and its full value may not be initially apparent. If you prematurely judge their actions at this stage, you could come to a limited conclusion about the full value of the individual. For someone else, this can be the opposite, and they could overvalue the positives in everyone, leading to naive conclusions.


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Limitations of action philosophy

I would be careful about developing strict views about homosexuals, women, and other groups based on past and current worldly events because our world has been under enemy occupation for so long. Therefore, any conclusions made now cannot really reflect the true nature of women, for example, as well as men.

Lydia had, in a moment of anger, accused you of not upholding Satanic ideals. She did this because she believed you were (unintentionally) incorporating prior Christian influence of women into your mindset. However, I can see how you were simply reacting to the world around you, but care must be taken to fully detach from anything pertaining to the enemy.

Women will always be better at upper chakra functions, with men being better at lower chakra functions. However, what you currently see in the world is not a true expression of either men or women. Even for humans in general, we are actually supposed to have our Kundalini risen by default.

In this way, your mindset may be limited if you cannot recognize the potential of certain people, especially those who meditate. As we advance, we are supposed to balance these qualities. That is how you get Gods like Astarte who are recognized as a warrior Goddess and Aries, even though this is traditionally a male trait. Yet, following your views, Astarte still embodies feminity as her overall identity.


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How karma strongly influences outcomes (such as forum drama)

Other examples include personal changes that happen through spiritual development. If you have a Libra Sun, then do an Aries Sun Square, your perceptions will totally change, as well as your abilities. Therefore, I would only fault the person if they refused to meditate, not for having a poor Sun placement.

This is what NakedPluto was saying to you, a while ago. He was basically expressing that such long-winded philosophical arguments are pointless when the solutions come from spiritual development, not the argument itself.

Do you find it funny that you argued with Tabby, who admitted she has discipline/low earth problems? Jrvan can also be combative and freedom-loving. So it is no surprise they took issue with you, nor is it a surprise that the conversations took the exact direction they did.

If the outcome was, let's say 80% already determined, and both people would never truly understand the other, then the hours spent arguing back and forth were wasted. More importantly, the fabric of our community was strained through emotional stress.

Personally, I believe the blunt "answer" to all the forum drama is basically just to separate the people and have them continue to mediate. This is especially true for noob drama. Of course, to actually implement this, one has to work with the emotions of those involved, which takes time.


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Capricorn mindset

I hope you don't get offended when I say that I believe your viewpoints derive from a Capricorn mindset. That is not to say you are a robot with predetermined outcomes. Anyone with a strong influence from certain astrological placements or karma will operate based on that.

That would then influence your views on homosexuality, women, and other items which may cause you to clash. Funny enough, your ability to stand unwavering (combined with your communicative ability), further angered others to the point where people are saying it is a problem and so on.

Like I mentioned before, I believe Capricorn can be summarized by the ability to work with limitations, both from the self and the world around you. That is why you hold such views about women which others have viewed as overly strict and limiting, especially if you are deriving your opinions based on the past (which was ruled by the enemy).

On the flip side, you are also correct that we should recognize how women or others may currently act if we are to successfully interact with them. However, individual differences exist, so one should look closely at the astrological chart. You should also understand how limited humanity has been by the enemy: the future will be unimaginably different from today.

"Earth people like tradition, and security is extremely important to them, they are cautious, deliberate, slow in forming opinions, and can be slow in everything they do. They are reserved, but they have exceptional endurance. They are practical, grounded, and level-headed. They are hard working, they dislike change and can be stuck in a routine for years without ever getting bored. They have a hard time adjusting to new situations and changes. "
JOS Source


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Conclusion

As I said, I am not trying to bug you or anything. The reason I am saying all of this is to add my input on the situation as to why people take offense to you. You are not the only one with certain faults either; some people's faults may make them hide under the surface, never to be known on JOS, for example.

The important point is to just stay focused on SS activities, not to get bogged down fighting battles that cannot be won, so to speak. When your views are directly challenged, this may require a bit of charisma and finesse to defuse the situation without actually yielding your points. Agree to disagree can sum it up well.

I did read your whole post, by the way, so don't think I didn't. I'm just jumping ahead to broader conclusions. I don't want you to feel like something is wrong with you, either. I'm just trying to permanently quell the drama.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

You’ve come fully undone. If I knew where you stayed I would send a paddywagon there to take you off to the asylum. It’s for the best.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

...

Alright so here something I should point out to you. You mentioned that saying to your partner the thing about the sex change made you feel depressed and it sounded like you were coerced in saying it because he didnt accept you otherwise.
Basicly, you hurt yourself. You said some painful things to yourself. Respect yourself more. Don't belittle yourself. You are being your own worst enemy by doing that.

So you're a gay male? Alright. Nothing wrong with that.

You've got to do something about those hangups though.

Id suggest you do try to fantasize having gay sex (involving you) and trying again with your partner. Take the time as needed.

 

[Jack]

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...

My opinion on the action philosphy

Ok, I believe I understand where you are coming from. I also went back and read through some of the older threads where you fought over gender relations.

I believe the total spiritual status and configuration of the person heavily influences their views and perceptions you describe. In a way, this can be very limiting, and certain people are better at objective reasoning than others, or in certain circumstances than others.

I can agree that your focus on action is empowering. I can also see how it would be limiting if you are unable to recognize both thoughts or actions which may initially seem useless, but have inherent potential. Anyone with underdeveloped lower chakras will have a harder time implementing any of the gifts from their higher chakras, for example.

In other words, someone could indirectly contribute something to what you value, and its full value may not be initially apparent. If you prematurely judge their actions at this stage, you could come to a limited conclusion about the full value of the individual. For someone else, this can be the opposite, and they could overvalue the positives in everyone, leading to naive conclusions.


-------------------
Limitations of action philosophy

I would be careful about developing strict views about homosexuals, women, and other groups based on past and current worldly events because our world has been under enemy occupation for so long. Therefore, any conclusions made now cannot really reflect the true nature of women, for example, as well as men.

Lydia had, in a moment of anger, accused you of not upholding Satanic ideals. She did this because she believed you were (unintentionally) incorporating prior Christian influence of women into your mindset. However, I can see how you were simply reacting to the world around you, but care must be taken to fully detach from anything pertaining to the enemy.

Women will always be better at upper chakra functions, with men being better at lower chakra functions. However, what you currently see in the world is not a true expression of either men or women. Even for humans in general, we are actually supposed to have our Kundalini risen by default.

In this way, your mindset may be limited if you cannot recognize the potential of certain people, especially those who meditate. As we advance, we are supposed to balance these qualities. That is how you get Gods like Astarte who are recognized as a warrior Goddess and Aries, even though this is traditionally a male trait. Yet, following your views, Astarte still embodies feminity as her overall identity.


--------------------
How karma strongly influences outcomes (such as forum drama)

Other examples include personal changes that happen through spiritual development. If you have a Libra Sun, then do an Aries Sun Square, your perceptions will totally change, as well as your abilities. Therefore, I would only fault the person if they refused to meditate, not for having a poor Sun placement.

This is what NakedPluto was saying to you, a while ago. He was basically expressing that such long-winded philosophical arguments are pointless when the solutions come from spiritual development, not the argument itself.

Do you find it funny that you argued with Tabby, who admitted she has discipline/low earth problems? Jrvan can also be combative and freedom-loving. So it is no surprise they took issue with you, nor is it a surprise that the conversations took the exact direction they did.

If the outcome was, let's say 80% already determined, and both people would never truly understand the other, then the hours spent arguing back and forth were wasted. More importantly, the fabric of our community was strained through emotional stress.

Personally, I believe the blunt "answer" to all the forum drama is basically just to separate the people and have them continue to mediate. This is especially true for noob drama. Of course, to actually implement this, one has to work with the emotions of those involved, which takes time.


---------------------
Capricorn mindset

I hope you don't get offended when I say that I believe your viewpoints derive from a Capricorn mindset. That is not to say you are a robot with predetermined outcomes. Anyone with a strong influence from certain astrological placements or karma will operate based on that.

That would then influence your views on homosexuality, women, and other items which may cause you to clash. Funny enough, your ability to stand unwavering (combined with your communicative ability), further angered others to the point where people are saying it is a problem and so on.

Like I mentioned before, I believe Capricorn can be summarized by the ability to work with limitations, both from the self and the world around you. That is why you hold such views about women which others have viewed as overly strict and limiting, especially if you are deriving your opinions based on the past (which was ruled by the enemy).

On the flip side, you are also correct that we should recognize how women or others may currently act if we are to successfully interact with them. However, individual differences exist, so one should look closely at the astrological chart. You should also understand how limited humanity has been by the enemy: the future will be unimaginably different from today.

"Earth people like tradition, and security is extremely important to them, they are cautious, deliberate, slow in forming opinions, and can be slow in everything they do. They are reserved, but they have exceptional endurance. They are practical, grounded, and level-headed. They are hard working, they dislike change and can be stuck in a routine for years without ever getting bored. They have a hard time adjusting to new situations and changes. "
JOS Source


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Conclusion

As I said, I am not trying to bug you or anything. The reason I am saying all of this is to add my input on the situation as to why people take offense to you. You are not the only one with certain faults either; some people's faults may make them hide under the surface, never to be known on JOS, for example.

The important point is to just stay focused on SS activities, not to get bogged down fighting battles that cannot be won, so to speak. When your views are directly challenged, this may require a bit of charisma and finesse to defuse the situation without actually yielding your points. Agree to disagree can sum it up well.

I did read your whole post, by the way, so don't think I didn't. I'm just jumping ahead to broader conclusions. I don't want you to feel like something is wrong with you, either. I'm just trying to permanently quell the drama.

The Philosophy of Action is against Gender norms or Sexuality and it empowers women too. A woman who achieved some high post In society with Grit does not fit into the Gender Norms and she has proven to society that she doesn't. And I respect women such as these.

I have had a lot of bad astrological karma which has been leaving me for sometime and my views have alternated a lot. I don't hold any kind of strict Gender rules anymore because I've learnt to be adaptive to the environment.

What I learnt by being with my current Gf is that there is no particular reason to force anyone to adhere to any kind of Norm if both partners are happy. The reason I think that I held such strong Gender role views was due to being attracted to attractive women purely for the basis of their looks. That was a very shallow way of interacting with them and I was surprised they weren't high iq or able to understand high iq conversations. So they fit perfectly into the Gender stereotype.

Lately after being with my current gf my perspective about women has changed and I believe that men should actually be looking for atleast their equal in terms of competence and ability. And there would be no way to gauge the level of competency in a woman if she hasn't achieved anything in life. Maybe with a standardized iq test ,but the best way to gauge it us her level of achievement.

I had a bad view of ambitious career women because I'd experienced them to be very combative and argumentative and not listening to my directions. But I discovered that this was also down to astrological compatibility. And there are Career women who are also submissive and pleasant to be around.

More importantly I need all the help I can to buy land ,dig a well and get some solar panels for a possible apocalyptic future. So if she's contributing money to my funds then that is very important to me right now.

Maybe afterwards she can stay home and take care of the kids but for now money is very important. Also if she refuses to stay home ill just move in my mother and she'll take care of the kids.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

....

What I see in you

What you describe is your soul's reaction to prior trauma. While your negative karma manifests in this way, for others it can manifest differently. People harp on this tranny stuff so much, as if they don't have their own karma and so on. The only reason people have strong opinions is just that it is a popular topic.

Your soul is trying to change itself as a means of coping with trauma. The solution is related to resolving your traumatic feelings. That is why when your boyfriend touched your penis, it brought up such strong feelings. However, the crying was not actually a bad thing, rather that is your soul processing the emotions you have connected to gender. Crying should be expected with many of these workings.

Because you were not helped in a moment of weakness, it sounds like you are trying to do whatever to receive help or support. This is why when your parents supported you, your emotions improved, and you didn't feel like you were "drowning" from life or whatever. Changing yourself as a girl was also your way to ensure people rushed to your aid.

But you are safe now, with a loving boyfriend, the Gods, friends on here, and so on. In other words, you can see how your feelings are not appropriate anymore. You would most certainly NOT fail at taking any of these steps towards happiness, just like you would not fail with other workings and so on. If anything, you had already taken steps at releasing some of the pain, by working with your boyfriend.

Your boyfriend should be a prime example of a masculine person who will always be there for you, as well as Satan.


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My Experience with my own Karma

I will share with you my personal experience with this sort of thing: I had some karma, without being specific, that pertains something to be prior abandonment and subsequently becoming closed off to relationships.

After doing Munka workings for this, it eventually manifested over a few nights as strong feelings of loneliness. I also felt rage or anger, which made me feel like I didn't care about anyone. Thoughts like "No one has actually been helping me or cares for me, so fuck them. I can handle this on my own." and so on. For a day or two, I felt that strongly, even in regards to my family and so on.

Later, when I would be in my room and meditating, I could feel the emotions pushing out of my chest. I climbed into my bed, pulled the blanket over my head, and felt overwhelmed by the feelings I described above. It basically came out of nowhere (although really from deep in my soul), and I cried super hard for about 5 minutes or so. This happened about three separate times.

After wiping my eyes, I got back up and felt totally better. Not so distant from others, willing to talk about myself, and so on. On my computer, I saw a phrase that popped up, which was something like "Extreme Circumstances Demand an Extreme Reaction". It was a death metal band album, lol, but the point was clear that my problems with relationships came out of some difficult experience in the past.


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Solutions

You can see here how the solution was not to dump everyone out of my life like I wanted to but to let go of the difficult feelings that made me react like that. If I decided to just block everyone and live on my own, it would've made my problem exponentially worse, basically recreating the same difficult circumstances from before.

Whether you choose to life your life as a boy or girl, you still have to release any past trauma. That was my point from before. Doing that requires working with your soul, not from any physical solutions, as the soul is where the trauma is currently at.

Following this, whether you want to be a boy or girl, you also need to work on your lower chakras, and associated planetary energies such as Saturn, Mars, and the Sun. These are the areas that would give you an inherent feeling of strength, safety, and so on.


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Increasing Masculine Energies

Maybe, if you are feeling nervous, it would be better to first increase your masculine energy. Then you may feel more confident while tackling the other parts of your trauma. You can do this through Squares, but you can also do this with the Sanskrit mantras. Vibrate the Laum, Vaum, and Raum, into the base, sacral, and solar, respectively, and then feel the energy permanently strengthening your chakras.

The above items are something you should be doing regardless of whether you are male or female, with bad karma or not. I know plenty of people with weakened Solar energies, who also feel weak, and the solution is basically the same.

With the Sun in Leo, you could also try vibrating, for example, x111 Surya into your Solar Chakra, programming it to enhance your self-esteem and confidence. The Sun is your area of identity, so special attention here would work well.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

After this is all over with, I'll make a new account, and I'll be behave. I'll be sensitive about people's feelings and all, and I'll refrain from posting stuff that triggers others to the point of wanting to kill me. Surely people will think, "Oh, what a nice, cool and mysterious person!"... just like once before. And I'll never bring it up again.

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Pride... I should really work on finding that in unrelated matters. It seems that basing it on who or what I am has caused some issues, so I'll try to base it on my actions, and I'll work on improving my actions in order to generate more pride. Maybe that'll fix me.
But what even is pride, anyway? How do people take pride in anything? Do you get it from others, or build it within?

No, you should not make a new account, because that would not fix anything. Please understand that your karma causes this sort of cyclical response, as it does for anyone else.

As SS, we cannot run from our problems. We are expected to grow. In many people, you can see the positive changes through their account history.

Because your karma is so relevant to your identity, it would be hard for you to not mention anything related to you. Wherever you go, people will eventually ask about you, and so on. Completely stifling yourself is not a healthy solution, nor one that is justified for you to take simply because others were mean to you.

It is unfortunate that people have gotten so upset, rather than be understanding of where you are coming from. At the end of this though, it is you are who are really suffering, and not them. For you to be constantly changing yourself is unjustified and inappropriate.

You did well through working with your boyfriend, and I am proud of the progress you made there. You should continue to take steps in that direction. I believe you are the type of person who can make tremendous changes upon themself, for better or worse. With that in mind, it is really important that you heed some of the advice you are given, especially from your GD or Satan.

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To put it simply, inherent pride comes from solar energies. Those with Leo on their Sun are basically born confident. This can be a problem when they become overconfident or domineering of others.

Pride can come from actions, but those with weaker fire may unintentionally discredit themselves. So I take the approach that self-esteem and pride are more inherent, and being driven to positive action is a successful outcome of this.

 

[FancyMancy]

I think it was you who mentioned that before. I haven't seen you on much. I remembered those in my thread because the latest one was recent; the earlier one was by a member who I thought I got on quite well with. As I said, I haven't seen you on very much.

Well of course it was 2 years back. I asked for your personal guidance and you replied.
There were also other members who replied but at that time I specifically asked for your guidance and you replied. That's also one of the many reasons why I am here typing this.
About forums, I won't be active right now because of reasons.

Well, I hope I helped beneficially. Good luck with whatever's happening.

 

[FancyMancy]

I mean... it seems really hot to me too, and I used to have dreams about that sometimes when I was younger. It's just a dilemma though, like, would I rather have that or just be a fake woman?

Oh, come on, Meteor. "Should I just be a fake Woman" bcoz muh feelz. Stop fart-arseing around. You said your Guardian said you shouldn't, but you still want to. The vibration level where you are has put you into this dilemma and confusion. Increase your vibration and then Spirituality and your Guardian will help you to be your actual true self. no more confusion, no more pathetic vegan jew shit. Just you and pride and strength.

Trust me, you are talking to a brick wall. People have been trying to give help and aid to this person for sometime now when they have made it very clear they do not want to be helped and are just looking to have people help them justify their delusions, even when it has been made clear that there is no one here who will be convinced that this is wholesome or good for advancement in any form. Don't waste your time.

Transgenderism is just another jewish mental illness

Some people just don't want to change or don't care. Maybe it was offensive to liken it to how christians behave, but I think it's valid.

 

[FancyMancy]

Your Guardian said that one shouldn't have "sex changes"? Maybe those opposing it were on the right lines afterall...

Well, that wasn't really the phrasing. I realised more clearly than before that I won't regret this, and also why I won't regret this. And then I suddenly felt a very intense feeling wash over me along the lines of "I must never tell this to anyone else", and "Other Satanists who are struggling with similar things might make a horrible mistake if they found out about this."

That's interesting. How vague and imprecise. I have not reached ability to hear directly from the Gods and Goddesses yet, but your Guardian told you to not tell anyone, (because...?), but you still told others anyway? You now helped others who might be struggling to make horrible mistakes? Woah. That's mighty grand of you...

That is the rule that I broke, which I'm feeling rather embarrassed about now. Perhaps it just didn't sit right with me to have to keep it all to myself. Although my Guardian didn't explicitly say that I shouldn't do this, nor explicitly that anyone else in particular shouldn't do this,

You're an individual. Do what you want - and face the consequences. Gods and Goddesses are not going to go out of Their way to make sure you don't chop your bits off because of muh feelz.

I suppose I wanted to atone for breaking that rule, and then, the least I could do is explicitly try to dissuade people from doing this (that is also part of why I try to be so annoying about it, so no one would want to be "like me").

Atonement is not on the offender's terms.

I don't know if that's enough to make up for my mistake of opening up about it, since I know it's a very personal topic and that each person is receiving their own personal guidance on it if they're a dedicated Satanist, and I shouldn't interfere with that in any way, but... I guess I just don't want to be responsible for someone else's mistake. That's why, even though my Guardian didn't "say" that, I told a half-truth and said She did. It was more like, "be conscious of the risks you took, and that it wouldn't normally go that well"; that was the actual implication here.

So you said your Guardian said something which She didn't say? Also - you used that as an argument, but are now back-pedalling? Well, your feelings overshadow your logic. There's no persuading you - we're here for the truth, betterment, improvement, advancement... - and there's no point. Unless...

After this is all over with, I'll make a new account, and I'll be behave. I'll be sensitive about people's feelings and all, and I'll refrain from posting stuff that triggers others to the point of wanting to kill me. Surely people will think, "Oh, what a nice, cool and mysterious person!"... just like once before. And I'll never bring it up again. Instead, I will repeat the following to myself:

I'm not transgender, I merely changed my sex (to the extent presently possible) for practical and emotional reasons. I don't believe in gender, and as such, it logically follows that my persistent feelings that my body's sex was wrong were incorrect, and therefore, I was not transgender. Even if hypothetically those feelings were correct, I no longer feel that way, and rather, I feel like the way my body is now is right and suits me, and therefore, I'm not transgender.

Why make a new account? That won't solve anything. (If I am not mistaken) none of us here knows you in the Physical World. This online presence is temporary - a long temporary, but temporary nonetheless. You have a lot on your Mind and in your Heart, I recognise that. That has come to be known as Meteor on here. It's like a chronology are user accounts - it is a public, but at the same time private (because we're strangers in the Physical World) chronology of how a person improves (hopefully), over time. Your tapestry has started to be weaved already; shall it be left unfinished and abandoned? We need closure, not cliff-hangers! AKA/in other words - don't change accounts!

That wouldn't even be a lie. Regardless of whether this was meant to be, or if I was made this way by my experiences and insecurities, or perhaps a mixture where I had some inclination and it was triggered by my circumstances (I do have a mild intersex condition after all, maybe that contributed or something, for example by making me insecure in my masculinity and femininity alike and causing issues with self-acceptance due to that), that's just how my mind would process it, given all the circumstances.

Again, if I am not mistaken - you're a Males, yes? Who cares if you're a bit masculine and a lot feminine? Obviously you do, but meh. (I mean "meh" in a good, nice way.) Another member shares something with me - one of my likes is less-masculine/more-feminine Males (I think those posts still exist, so you can check if you want). I don't expect you and I will ever meet, either ever in this life, or at least not for many years, while it's still too dangerous to do that, but it's nice to know that this is true diversity; the only disallowed type is the enemy and those who shill for the enemy - but at least those shills can join if they mean it genuinely; the jew never can. There are different personalities and attitudes and characters here - fine, and all who are Humans are welcome and can advance infinitely. The meditations and workings might ease some or increase some personalities, attitudes and characters - some Gods and Goddesses are soft-spoken, hard-spoken, more patient, more stern... Be you. Maybe you realise the real you now; maybe workings and meditations will bring-out the real you in time. What about your Soul? Chopping off your dangly bits and having your Soul... with... other bits...?

And like a mantra, I would repeat it to myself... until I forget. My anger regarding people's ignorance? If I'm full-on intending to make a lie come true, then there's no excuse for me to blame others for being denial of reality as well, believing only whatever information is useful to them, just like me.

A lie can't become true. Only one's perception changes to it, to accept it, to believe it, to emulate it. The jew wants the lie of "jesus" to be true, but it is not. Hitler is not an evil Man, but the jew lied repeatedly about Him; people's perception changed to those lies, to accept them, to believe them, to emulate them - if anyone spoke of being a Nazi in the past, then they might have been shunned or attacked, for example.

That is only human nature, so... maybe I'll punch a wall once a year, although that might injure my hand, so I'll punch a pillow instead. Or maybe all the repressed anger from two decades would just suddenly dissipate with the relief. But I've never found lasting relief from my anger before, so that's hard for me to imagine. Perhaps it's because I don't know how to express it well before it reaches the boiling point, and then I feel ashamed afterwards for overreacting. I'll try to work on that.

What do you like doing? What would you like to do? You could try channelling the anger, etc., into whatever projects and hobbies. Sometimes, either in a schedule or whenever it tickles your fancy, punch and kick shit into a punch bag. (Now, since I am Fancy - if you want to tickle me, then... we'll have to talk about that off-forum! )

Pride... I should really work on finding that in unrelated matters. It seems that basing it on who or what I am has caused some issues, so I'll try to base it on my actions, and I'll work on improving my actions in order to generate more pride. Maybe that'll fix me.
But what even is pride, anyway? How do people take pride in anything? Do you get it from others, or build it within?

As a christian, I had to rely on a fantasy/imaginary "friend". I didn't have to do much at all, just turn-up to church, give money, and fantasise about a jew. uke: Working on things which we cannot do immediately, helps to build pride, self-esteem, self-worth... Maybe think of it like friction - friction slows things down, and - speaking energetically - with friction, energy comes off in the form of heat. Metaphorically, this 'friction' (hard work, toil, in whatever - working a job, training for a marathon, training to be World's strongest Man, building-up a portfolio, getting one's own business, getting a partner and family... - anything that's not easy and not given to us) is resistance, this 'friction' is resistance, and we do things to overcome this resistance. The 'heat' which comes off from all of the blood, sweat and tears can be pride, self-worth, self-esteem... We can see that we worked hard and we achieved something, made accomplishments, got on with things and built ourselves up and can continue to build ourselves up. People might be lazy, but then they're sat on their fat arses or laid down, wanking all day, playing computer games and smoking dope - you are what you smoke. There's no pride in that; that is giving-up before attempting anything, quitting before starting - and what's worse, someone else produces that dope... They're working hard for your downfall - and you have the privilege of paying them for it! Not just money but other things, as well. Just a pointless existence. Work hard for yourself and things change for the better. Like attracts like - put in hard work, then we can feel good, perspective changes, see the World in a new light, etc. It's not easy, but it's worth it. Climb that mountain, and feel amazing (as well as fucking knackered) afterward. Don't be a christian relying on something which won't ever help you; you have to help yourself.

Take Lord Führer Hitler, for example. He didn't just become Führer. He was born, went to schools, college, university, had to start at the bottom of the political ladder, and work His way up to being Führer. Was He in jail? How much lower than that can you get? It is possible, but not by much, really. Despite being that low, He was, is, and forever shall be this Planet's Führer, Anti-christ, Saviour in one form or another (we save our selves, we save our own Souls, but He did Great Works). He had this in Him, from previous lives - Ramses the Great, for example - Pharaoh was a top Man. How long ago were the Pharaohs of Egypt? Hitler was in preparation for such a long time...until finally, He did what was needed as well as He could, to get the ball rolling, and now it might have melted over the last 80-- 70-- 60 years, but in the last 20 years the Joy of Satan Ministries has increased the snow on that ball, and it is rolling more and more, further and further, quicker and quicker. Hitler did hard work and is worthy; others who are lazy, etc., either have been so in previous lives, because this increases and compounds so that they are more inclined in this life to be lazy and shit, etc. and that karma (the freight train momentum; the more years and lives, the more freight is added to the train) is much more difficult to slow down, stop, and reverse (from shit, drugs, whatever) or change (they might miss their turning onto another track because they were going way too quickly) so their karma continues and the momentum carries them; or if it is their first incarnation, then they will be starting to build their karma - they might have been borne into a family which is 'privileged' and they don't know, consider or care about the value of hard work, dedication, etc. These are just simple examples; there are way too many factors to try and consider. Like attracts like. Put something in, get something out.

I'll go do some yoga now, I seem a bit tense. You're my favourite person on the forums by the way. Take that however you like.

Well, that's very sweet. I don't have favourites, to be honest, and I prefer to not try to, but thanks! Seeing as this thread is about homosexuality, and I think you are in a gay relationship - do you think your partner would mind if I... joined you... for... a... yoga session?! :shock: No? I'll go buy Twister, instead, then...! (I know, naughty Fancy. I like to be a bit... avant-garde might not be the correct term!)

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

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My opinion on the action philosphy

Ok, I believe I understand where you are coming from. I also went back and read through some of the older threads where you fought over gender relations.

I believe the total spiritual status and configuration of the person heavily influences their views and perceptions you describe. In a way, this can be very limiting, and certain people are better at objective reasoning than others, or in certain circumstances than others.

I can agree that your focus on action is empowering. I can also see how it would be limiting if you are unable to recognize both thoughts or actions which may initially seem useless, but have inherent potential. Anyone with underdeveloped lower chakras will have a harder time implementing any of the gifts from their higher chakras, for example.

In other words, someone could indirectly contribute something to what you value, and its full value may not be initially apparent. If you prematurely judge their actions at this stage, you could come to a limited conclusion about the full value of the individual. For someone else, this can be the opposite, and they could overvalue the positives in everyone, leading to naive conclusions.


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Limitations of action philosophy

I would be careful about developing strict views about homosexuals, women, and other groups based on past and current worldly events because our world has been under enemy occupation for so long. Therefore, any conclusions made now cannot really reflect the true nature of women, for example, as well as men.

Lydia had, in a moment of anger, accused you of not upholding Satanic ideals. She did this because she believed you were (unintentionally) incorporating prior Christian influence of women into your mindset. However, I can see how you were simply reacting to the world around you, but care must be taken to fully detach from anything pertaining to the enemy.

Women will always be better at upper chakra functions, with men being better at lower chakra functions. However, what you currently see in the world is not a true expression of either men or women. Even for humans in general, we are actually supposed to have our Kundalini risen by default.

In this way, your mindset may be limited if you cannot recognize the potential of certain people, especially those who meditate. As we advance, we are supposed to balance these qualities. That is how you get Gods like Astarte who are recognized as a warrior Goddess and Aries, even though this is traditionally a male trait. Yet, following your views, Astarte still embodies feminity as her overall identity.


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How karma strongly influences outcomes (such as forum drama)

Other examples include personal changes that happen through spiritual development. If you have a Libra Sun, then do an Aries Sun Square, your perceptions will totally change, as well as your abilities. Therefore, I would only fault the person if they refused to meditate, not for having a poor Sun placement.

This is what NakedPluto was saying to you, a while ago. He was basically expressing that such long-winded philosophical arguments are pointless when the solutions come from spiritual development, not the argument itself.

Do you find it funny that you argued with Tabby, who admitted she has discipline/low earth problems? Jrvan can also be combative and freedom-loving. So it is no surprise they took issue with you, nor is it a surprise that the conversations took the exact direction they did.

If the outcome was, let's say 80% already determined, and both people would never truly understand the other, then the hours spent arguing back and forth were wasted. More importantly, the fabric of our community was strained through emotional stress.

Personally, I believe the blunt "answer" to all the forum drama is basically just to separate the people and have them continue to mediate. This is especially true for noob drama. Of course, to actually implement this, one has to work with the emotions of those involved, which takes time.


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Capricorn mindset

I hope you don't get offended when I say that I believe your viewpoints derive from a Capricorn mindset. That is not to say you are a robot with predetermined outcomes. Anyone with a strong influence from certain astrological placements or karma will operate based on that.

That would then influence your views on homosexuality, women, and other items which may cause you to clash. Funny enough, your ability to stand unwavering (combined with your communicative ability), further angered others to the point where people are saying it is a problem and so on.

Like I mentioned before, I believe Capricorn can be summarized by the ability to work with limitations, both from the self and the world around you. That is why you hold such views about women which others have viewed as overly strict and limiting, especially if you are deriving your opinions based on the past (which was ruled by the enemy).

On the flip side, you are also correct that we should recognize how women or others may currently act if we are to successfully interact with them. However, individual differences exist, so one should look closely at the astrological chart. You should also understand how limited humanity has been by the enemy: the future will be unimaginably different from today.

"Earth people like tradition, and security is extremely important to them, they are cautious, deliberate, slow in forming opinions, and can be slow in everything they do. They are reserved, but they have exceptional endurance. They are practical, grounded, and level-headed. They are hard working, they dislike change and can be stuck in a routine for years without ever getting bored. They have a hard time adjusting to new situations and changes. "
JOS Source


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Conclusion

As I said, I am not trying to bug you or anything. The reason I am saying all of this is to add my input on the situation as to why people take offense to you. You are not the only one with certain faults either; some people's faults may make them hide under the surface, never to be known on JOS, for example.

The important point is to just stay focused on SS activities, not to get bogged down fighting battles that cannot be won, so to speak. When your views are directly challenged, this may require a bit of charisma and finesse to defuse the situation without actually yielding your points. Agree to disagree can sum it up well.

I did read your whole post, by the way, so don't think I didn't. I'm just jumping ahead to broader conclusions. I don't want you to feel like something is wrong with you, either. I'm just trying to permanently quell the drama.

Jupiter/Uranus:
Personal freedom is of exceptional importance to these people; they are natural rebels and cannot tolerate being controlled by others. Often eccentric and high-strung, they are prone to emotional outbursts that can occur all of a sudden and with out any warning. These people look to new and unusual solutions in solving problems. Aspects between Jupiter and Uranus make for impracticality, an impulsive nature and in some case, a disruptive personality. There can be aptitude for technology, the sciences and with mathematics. These people do not like to conform and are often very strong willed. Affairs ruled by the house with Aquarius on the cusp often benefit from this contact.

Uranus aspects seem to tend to give love for freedom plus I am sure quite a lot of people have this on this forum.

Look the things I said in the topic shadowcat made recently..
Like come on man. Jack, you jump on saying things then projecting your personal issues outward... in such a way saying that "everyone must be this or that". Not only are you trying to hijack a topic, you're trampling onto others.

...

 

[Jack]

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My opinion on the action philosphy

Ok, I believe I understand where you are coming from. I also went back and read through some of the older threads where you fought over gender relations.

I believe the total spiritual status and configuration of the person heavily influences their views and perceptions you describe. In a way, this can be very limiting, and certain people are better at objective reasoning than others, or in certain circumstances than others.

I can agree that your focus on action is empowering. I can also see how it would be limiting if you are unable to recognize both thoughts or actions which may initially seem useless, but have inherent potential. Anyone with underdeveloped lower chakras will have a harder time implementing any of the gifts from their higher chakras, for example.

In other words, someone could indirectly contribute something to what you value, and its full value may not be initially apparent. If you prematurely judge their actions at this stage, you could come to a limited conclusion about the full value of the individual. For someone else, this can be the opposite, and they could overvalue the positives in everyone, leading to naive conclusions.


-------------------
Limitations of action philosophy

I would be careful about developing strict views about homosexuals, women, and other groups based on past and current worldly events because our world has been under enemy occupation for so long. Therefore, any conclusions made now cannot really reflect the true nature of women, for example, as well as men.

Lydia had, in a moment of anger, accused you of not upholding Satanic ideals. She did this because she believed you were (unintentionally) incorporating prior Christian influence of women into your mindset. However, I can see how you were simply reacting to the world around you, but care must be taken to fully detach from anything pertaining to the enemy.

Women will always be better at upper chakra functions, with men being better at lower chakra functions. However, what you currently see in the world is not a true expression of either men or women. Even for humans in general, we are actually supposed to have our Kundalini risen by default.

In this way, your mindset may be limited if you cannot recognize the potential of certain people, especially those who meditate. As we advance, we are supposed to balance these qualities. That is how you get Gods like Astarte who are recognized as a warrior Goddess and Aries, even though this is traditionally a male trait. Yet, following your views, Astarte still embodies feminity as her overall identity.


--------------------
How karma strongly influences outcomes (such as forum drama)

Other examples include personal changes that happen through spiritual development. If you have a Libra Sun, then do an Aries Sun Square, your perceptions will totally change, as well as your abilities. Therefore, I would only fault the person if they refused to meditate, not for having a poor Sun placement.

This is what NakedPluto was saying to you, a while ago. He was basically expressing that such long-winded philosophical arguments are pointless when the solutions come from spiritual development, not the argument itself.

Do you find it funny that you argued with Tabby, who admitted she has discipline/low earth problems? Jrvan can also be combative and freedom-loving. So it is no surprise they took issue with you, nor is it a surprise that the conversations took the exact direction they did.

If the outcome was, let's say 80% already determined, and both people would never truly understand the other, then the hours spent arguing back and forth were wasted. More importantly, the fabric of our community was strained through emotional stress.

Personally, I believe the blunt "answer" to all the forum drama is basically just to separate the people and have them continue to mediate. This is especially true for noob drama. Of course, to actually implement this, one has to work with the emotions of those involved, which takes time.


---------------------
Capricorn mindset

I hope you don't get offended when I say that I believe your viewpoints derive from a Capricorn mindset. That is not to say you are a robot with predetermined outcomes. Anyone with a strong influence from certain astrological placements or karma will operate based on that.

That would then influence your views on homosexuality, women, and other items which may cause you to clash. Funny enough, your ability to stand unwavering (combined with your communicative ability), further angered others to the point where people are saying it is a problem and so on.

Like I mentioned before, I believe Capricorn can be summarized by the ability to work with limitations, both from the self and the world around you. That is why you hold such views about women which others have viewed as overly strict and limiting, especially if you are deriving your opinions based on the past (which was ruled by the enemy).

On the flip side, you are also correct that we should recognize how women or others may currently act if we are to successfully interact with them. However, individual differences exist, so one should look closely at the astrological chart. You should also understand how limited humanity has been by the enemy: the future will be unimaginably different from today.

"Earth people like tradition, and security is extremely important to them, they are cautious, deliberate, slow in forming opinions, and can be slow in everything they do. They are reserved, but they have exceptional endurance. They are practical, grounded, and level-headed. They are hard working, they dislike change and can be stuck in a routine for years without ever getting bored. They have a hard time adjusting to new situations and changes. "
JOS Source


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Conclusion

As I said, I am not trying to bug you or anything. The reason I am saying all of this is to add my input on the situation as to why people take offense to you. You are not the only one with certain faults either; some people's faults may make them hide under the surface, never to be known on JOS, for example.

The important point is to just stay focused on SS activities, not to get bogged down fighting battles that cannot be won, so to speak. When your views are directly challenged, this may require a bit of charisma and finesse to defuse the situation without actually yielding your points. Agree to disagree can sum it up well.

I did read your whole post, by the way, so don't think I didn't. I'm just jumping ahead to broader conclusions. I don't want you to feel like something is wrong with you, either. I'm just trying to permanently quell the drama.

Jupiter/Uranus:
Personal freedom is of exceptional importance to these people; they are natural rebels and cannot tolerate being controlled by others. Often eccentric and high-strung, they are prone to emotional outbursts that can occur all of a sudden and with out any warning. These people look to new and unusual solutions in solving problems. Aspects between Jupiter and Uranus make for impracticality, an impulsive nature and in some case, a disruptive personality. There can be aptitude for technology, the sciences and with mathematics. These people do not like to conform and are often very strong willed. Affairs ruled by the house with Aquarius on the cusp often benefit from this contact.

Uranus aspects seem to tend to give love for freedom plus I am sure quite a lot of people have this on this forum.

Look the things I said in the topic shadowcat made recently..
Like come on man. Jack, you jump on saying things then projecting your personal issues outward... in such a way saying that "everyone must be this or that". Not only are you trying to hijack a topic, you're trampling onto others.

...

I literally said on this topic that no one should be judged according to sexuality and that no one should be this or that and we should judge them for their actions. Please pay attention.

 

[FancyMancy]

your Guardian told you to not tell anyone, (because...?)

It's obvious if you consider all the consequences opening up about it had. For example, at this rate I most likely won't make a new account, but rather, I'll grow distant from this community; because if things go the way I expect (and I expect them to), then many of people's reactions will seem very overblown to me in hindsight, especially when the things they emphasised with words like "truth" would be in direct contradiction with the reality I perceive with my own senses by then. And aside from how it would affect me, several SS already feel like they wasted their time replying to me, and talking about this topic has generally been disruptive and unpleasant for everyone involved. Some of the SS who read my posts were so bothered by it on an emotional level, that it made them unable to focus on other things, or made them want to curse me (in other words, it caused in-fighting, which is a further waste of time and energy). That is the extent of the damage I caused by opening up about it, and all of this could've been prevented if I had simply followed my Guardian's advice; therefore, I think the advice itself makes a lot of sense, and in hindsight, I regret not following it.

It's a kick in the teeth, but you can - if you choose to - learn from it. There's no need to run away and hide. You said I'm your favourite, and you're leaving me?! Don't make me cry, Meteor! You better stay... or... erm... else... You don't want me to cry, do you?!

In another thread, Jack was arguing that people with intersex conditions should be killed, and there were other SS who did not disagree with this, but rather, agreed that "eugenics" are good, which is the word Jack used to describe killing people with intersex conditions.

Lol - you're gunna listen to Jack the Lad? Lol. Sorry, Meteor, but come on! I think it's the same thread I mentioned about not being able to be borne; thus, not having any chances to advance, improve, heal, etc. Ignore Jack.

So I thought: "Oh. My family wants to kill me. That's not good." I got upset and tried to set boundaries, like "Hey, don't kill people just for being intersex. I want to live!" Some also mentioned they want sex change surgeries to be banned. So I thought: "Oh. My family wants to prevent me from doing something that feels important to me. That's not good."

Like, come on. A troll and someone else agreeing about something is not the entire family's stance on things. There are always black sheep in families... (If they are a part of the family; otherwise, they might just be those 'aunts' and 'uncles' who actually are just 'friends' of the family, not actually part of the family.)

Already being upset about the discrimination/threats against intersex people, I decided in that moment: "There is no point in considering them my family if they would want to sabotage and kill me if they knew the truth about me, so I'm going to be honest with them in order to find out if I even belong here in the first place." So, given that it slipped my mind that I was urged not to bring it up, I brought it up anyway, and learned that some SS really do want to sabotage and/or kill me, thus: "I shouldn't trust other SS as though they are my family, just as someone who was threatened by biological family members should similarly keep their distance." Perhaps my Guardian wanted to prevent such a situation, but on the other hand, I always found it unpleasant to be secretive, so maybe I had to learn the hard way just how important it is, in this manner.

Some people must learn the hard way; there is no other way for them to learn - but now you want to run away and hide, because you are refusing to learn the (only?) way in which you can learn? Nope. If we were in a Physical location-- well, if we were in a Physical location, like a temple, certain... people wouldn't be as brave as to troll there, like they do online... but if we were in a temple and you told me you wanted to leave, I'd not let you. (Of course, I wouldn't refuse to let you go, but I'd resist your leaving.) Regrettably, that can't be done online. A small number of dolts make you want to go away? Then you need to rise above that shit, and be proud.

Prior to the drama on the forums, I was seriously considering opening up to my real life friends about this, but I decided against it after experiencing just how controversial of a topic it really is. Whereas I can say that I lost nothing of value in losing my trust in other SS, since that trust was misconceived to begin with in the false belief that being a dedicated Satanist would be reason enough for other SS not to want to sabotage or kill me, my real life friends are also my fiancé's real life friends, and finding out whether they would be okay with this isn't worth being the reason why my fiancé loses his friends.

Perhaps meditations you have done will be helping you to realise if these friends are proper friends or not. Once your vibration increases, and your friends' continue to not, then that might separate you anyway. Not that it should be bad or shit because you're arrogant and above them and they're beneath your consideration, but simply because of your... evolution, you might say, as improving to better dimensions, while they unfortunately aren't. While what I just said is not quite your point, as for directly regarding 'coming out' to your friends... that's a tricky one. I don't think you're asking for advice in that, but I wouldn't want to say anything anyway.

Most likely, I'm just making excuses because I'm feeling a bit embarrassed.

Ah! I shall make you a DUNCE hat and stick you in the corner! Not really. Just forget about it. It's OK because it's the Internet. For all anyone thinks they know, you might have just been playing or considering things or thinking out aloud - rather, typing thoughts online.

Something I learned over time is that often in life, there is no closure. Things like breakups happen for all sorts of dumb reasons, all sorts of crimes go unpunished, people often don't get the things they feel they deserve. Everyone is driven by their feelings, no matter what logic they use to rationalise it; and often, while feelings are there for a reason and might have some purpose, they're chaotic. That's why closure often only exists in accepting that things simply are the way they are. Even if people decide to change something, it didn't change because it was "meant" to change, but rather, because people's feelings or logic told them to change it, and those feelings and the logic that follows simply are the way they are. No matter how people rationalise things, or try to romanticise the reality they live in, the reality doesn't care; it doesn't care what anyone thinks or believes in, and merely enacts cause and effect, ad nauseam. The best anyone can do to find closure, is to come to terms with that.

By changing accounts or not changing accounts but distancing yourself from here? Then where will you go, what will you do? Elsewhere, other things? Start again? Lose all the progress and things you've made here? (I have no authourity over you, but)I demand that you stay! (Please? big puppy-dog eyes)

Would you find closure if...

No idea. You share what you want; there is zero need nor requirement to share anything. If you don't want to share the details of the outcome, then that's entirely your decision and prerogative. Whether I/we get closure or not makes zero difference to your own life and decisions and abilities and advancement, etc. I/we might be nosey and some of us opinionated - or in a positive way, I am considering the tapestry of the JoS and its members and their evolution from this to that - but we can see this progression and movement and change and we can use that to encourage ourselves for betterment. Like we can bounce off each other; being greater than the sum of our parts. Partly the reason for closure - being nosey or being genuine - is because it has been brought-up on the forum, and it is a known phenomenon and an extremely important one at that; it is, in my opinion, that a follow-through of some details - if OK with you/another person considering this to share details - so others can learn more, would be welcome. The JoSM is like an encyclopaedia in the making, a continually-written encyclopaedia, with all sorts of opinions, learning, advice, teaching, recipes (not food necessarily), methods, etc., etc., etc.

Even if I stuck around and revealed one of these outcomes, or perhaps another outcome which I didn't mention, it's not like anyone here would be happy or sad for me, right?

Maybe in a way, but does that matter? Why/why not? For me personally, I can't connect with people online. We might be a virtual family online but also blood-related through Satan (I'm White), but the Internet is too impersonal for me. Does any of this matter to you? Is it important if others were happy or sad for you after the results?

So, what kind of closure are you really looking for? Is it even something I can give you?
What if the outcome I revealed to you ends up being one you don't really like? Wouldn't that give you the opposite of closure, then?

I'm trying to lighten the mood a bit. No, not to make fun, so please don't think that. I don't want to say "chill out" or "calm down" because they tend to make things worse, but (Yes "but"; how else, other than its sibling "however", could the sentence continue with a connecting word?!) it doesn't matter if I/we have closure or not. I was/am tying to ease tension a bit. It didn't come across well, because online is shit and emotionless.

If I simply disappear, then other people can come up with their own gossip about me. The "truth" of what happened to me, can then be anything people want it to be. Don't you think that would give people far more closure than the actual truth?

Quite probably, but - and I can't speak for others - until you came and told us results; even if "your husband" came here (someone else pretending to be him) and claimed things, I still wouldn't be 100% about it... but still - your personal life is your own, you reveal and don't reveal what you want. I am just considering the 'tapestry' and 'encyclopaedia' of JosM and the 'evolution' of members, while trying to not make the tension worse.

Many years ago, when I'd just started wearing skirts in public and my breasts were still quite small and I looked a bit more masculine, gay guys would sometimes hit on me, complimenting me and saying I looked really hot. Then, when I introduced myself, they would be like, "Ugh, just another tranny. I'm disappointed now." Then I would chuckle at how awkward that was, and somehow befriend them anyway. I had a whole group of friends I met that way; I'd bake muffins for them and they'd share their exotic blends of mead with me, and we'd hang out in a park and used the leftovers to play with the pigeons. We ended up drifting apart after a couple years though.

Stereotyping, I'd say they just were after one thing, at least initially. People can be so stubborn, and change can be virtually impossible for them. From what I can tell about a lot of 'the gay scene', it's all fake and artificial, so FABYOOLOOUUUSSSSSSS!! and retarded. If that is somewhat the case with these who you just mentioned, then no wonder they didn't stay your friends. It's all pretence and glitter.

I've been hanging out mainly with heterosexual people ever since I started dating my fiancé; there's just something soothing to me about the "normality" of it all, and being a part of that. I haven't had a gay friend in years, but it seems to this day I still enjoy talking to them when I get the chance. I think they're often rather unusual people, but in an interesting, good way.

Well, I'm bi but lean more gay, so even though I expect you were not referring to me at all, I'll take that as a compliment!

If they're that charming, then I've got to wonder where all the hate came from. It pervades my past life memories.

I presume it was lies upon lies told, with (now) "education" and media and - in the in-group of fabyolousss-ness and similar things - peer-pressure. Small bits and pieces of a person's opinion and reactions and behaviours feed into others, especially if they are receptive; these small things build-up over time - take care of the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves. Before they know it, they're prejudiced and hateful, possibly without realising why. e.g. (I just made this up)

A: I don't like rap or other Black music.
B: That's racist.
A: Why?
B: Because you said you don't like Black music.
A: So? I don't like some White music.
B: Yeah, but you're White so that's not racist.
A: How many times do Black people listen to White music? They're racist.

In other words, people don't think; they respond just like a knee-jerk reaction. I think they've associated ANYTHING that is mentioned "Black" with "racism"; for the hatred against you, the association must be similar - but don't forget, in history it was very christianised, so any of that ignorance and retardedness was so much more greater. It may be incorrect or wrong or dirty or 'sinful' (not in a christian sense) or whatever to have a "sex change operation". Why not go further and get a pig's tail or elephant's trunk installed? Yeah, it's over-the-top nonsense, but still - why not? Maybe that's why people hated the intersex things; these days, education has to be done to make people accept intersex things. Why do people/sheeple need to be force-brainwashed into accepting things? Well, 1) they don't need to be; because 2) it is the jew who needs them to be; and 3) they don't need to be because they understand, either consciously and/or unconsciously, things already.

I realised the last bit of my previous reply to you might be a bit confusing, since I mentioned before that I dislike alcohol; also, I was 17 years old at the time, so I wasn't supposed to drink according to the law. Basically, when I explained to them that I don't like alcohol, they told me: "This stuff tastes really good, it's nothing like beer or wine. You don't have to if you really don't want to, but feel free to take a sip from my drink if you feel like it, just to try it." They each brought their own bottle and glass and I took a small sip from each of them. It was some of the sweetest stuff I ever tasted.

Also, considering they were into my looks, why I didn't just stop transitioning right there and then so that I could be their type? Basically, none of them were my type. One was extremely skinny but kind, another was a plain-looking druggie who made somewhat creepy jokes, and the third one whom I met through the others was very short but had a nice beard. I prefer guys who are tall and burly, as well as mentally stable (in other words, not a druggie).

That increases my thoughts that they were just after one thing (at least initially).

I've never actually met a particularly burly gay guy, do you happen to know if they're out there?

Stereotypically - in porn and media (all about power/control and reducing power/control thereof), yeah, but in actual Physicality? It's more difficult to tell. On an online forum/chat room there was someone who seemed dominant and probably way too much for a lot of people, overpowering, etc., who appeared to be well-endowed. I think these types might be more private, either straight with girlfriends/wives and only play separately (secretly?) from that; or stick to others of their type, e.g. rugby players, iron-pumpers, etc; while those I have seen offline and others online can be either the opposite or not quite the same. I think it depends on culture and environment, as well. Of course, I am not going to say what type I am.

Superfluous or superficial? All those confident words, for what? At the end of the day, I'm still so deeply affected by this.

Things don't change overnight. They won't, either. I am sure you know this.

I like to face my problems head on. But every time I try to face this at all, I become more aware of the part of my body that I hate, and nowadays even just that is enough for me to get completely overwhelmed by horrifyingly intense feelings of agony; and then I give in to the usual escapism because it's just too much.

I'd understand it if you were born with a pig's tail and/or elephant's trunk, but being born with Natural Human Body parts... and hating them? Why?! (I apologise profusely for what I am about to say, but) were you not born this way?! You were born with these parts, how and why did you begin to hate them, then feel so worse-than-uncomfortable about them?

I can't even describe it with words. Contrary to asking my fiancé for help, all I could mutter to him when he was worried about me, is that a particular part of my body just feels so horribly wrong, that it isn't supposed to be like this, and I started crying again; so he calmed me down by holding me tightly, and reminding me that it'll change soon... which helped, but not in the sense of making any progress.

Maybe I misunderstand... but I'm sorry but I disagree. You were born with these Natural things; changing them is not a good thing to do. These things are not wrong; they are a part of you, they are yours and a part of who you are, what makes you you. Scientifically, we're all Girls until some of the tiny little pieces in the womb decide to make some of us Boys ("in the absence of a penis, one is Female"). You shouldn't change these things; you should accept you, who you are.

I'm not a counsellor or therapist, but while being ignorant of what's what, I am thinking maybe you were 'sissified' and forced to believe you were supposed to be a Girl... by someone older than you, when you were younger, and this was fed repeatedly and forcefully for such a long time. Presuming that I am wildly incorrect, why are these beliefs within you? No offence, but your partner reiterating and reinforcing these things makes them stronger, as well. Who is FancyMancy and anyone from JoSM to say "you're not supposed to chop your bits off and replace them with other bits"? We're no-one to you, certainly not close, emotional nor intimate with you, nor (somewhat) important to you. Who cares what strange strangers online say?

Even just remembering how I felt yesterday makes me unable to breathe normally out of terror. If I had to face this 40 days in a row, I would not only lose my mind, but I would be further traumatised by the experience to such an extent that any chance I might still have at getting over this would most likely be completely destroyed afterwards.

I know/have known of some individuals, Male and Female, who have been abused sexually when younger/growing up. If they were to do the 40-day Muñka working, and possibly repeat those 40 days, I can't imagine how extremely difficult, to say the least, it would be for them. I would suggest doing a 1-day Muñka working, either with low repetitions (e.g. just 9) or perhaps one with a higher number of repetitions, but just for 1 day. See how that goes. If that was bad, but not too bad, then leaving it for 7 days, to prepare oneself to do it again. If it was too bad, then leave it a bit longer, or push yourself slightly, just a bit. After that time, do it the same, no more, no less. Leave it another 7 days... and so on, like that. Do this for weeks or months, until it is less-difficult, then try changing either to a higher number of reps and 7 days, or same number of reps for 6 days, or higher number of reps for 6 days, then repeat that for weeks or months until that is OK... then increase slowly likewise.

Yeah, it will be so difficult (not that you need to be told), but - as I say - start lowly and slowly, and also have a read, or re-read, of the coins analogy - scroll down to about half-way, my Fri 12 Feb, 2021 post and the paragraphs after. Say these bad things, anxiety, fears, etc., are copper coins; you need to replace them with silver and gold, etc., coins instead. It's OK if you know this already, but it's also OK to be reminded and encouraged positively.

The most I can do is a general working to try to help the situation indirectly, but I doubt that alone will be enough to lead to any significant changes.

Might I suggest a pre-Muñka working, then? I wouldn't want to make an example working, because each person who has gone through such bad difficulties I think would need it tailored for their own, so a general working might not be good enough. Maybe an affirmation such as NOT saying "my fears", etc. - "[In a safe, secure, positive, beneficial... way for me] any and all [of the] [fears, anxieties...] regarding ___ are [minimal, quashed, nullified, cancelled...]. These [fears/anxieties...] are [ineffective, incapable of bothering me...]. I am confident and comfortable and in control, so as to do my Muñka workings fully and properly until actual completion."

At this rate, any direct attempts at coming to terms with my body are bound to fail and backfire until after I've already changed it. So much for expanding my options, if this is the extent of my resolve...

You keep affirming and reaffirming, iterating and reiterating, (erm, peating? and) repeating (get my point?!) that, so that it becomes true. Change the shitty bronze coins, dear! Seriously, change them for better things. Only you can - and yes, must - do that - but only you can; and you can.

I feel like giving in after all. Even if there are many people out there who would never accept my decision if they knew, and even it if will complicate other matters in the process of simplifying the ones that seem important to me right now, at least I'll know that I did what I could, physically. Will that give me the resolve I need to face myself? I hope it does.

Yeah, there's always hope. Heh.

My failure to find another way is only the result of my own shortcomings; or perhaps the odds were against me to begin with, to an extent greater than anyone could handle. Don't hold it against yourself, Blitzkreig. You did what you could, and I did learn from many of the things you wrote, even if I turned out to be less capable than I thought. I guess jrvan was right: I'm weak. A few unusual abilities or successful workings doesn't change that, if I'm still this sensitive and avoidant deep down.

You listen to negative things, instead of positive things? Those copper coins, man... They're hardly worth anything. You're better-off with other, better things, instead.