Not happy with the zeus thing

[Henu the Great]

Then are you saying joy of satan is not spiritual satanism or devil worship group. I joined this occult on 2010 and reveals clear that we are devil worshipper and then now you introduce us another God, Zeus. Its better to create two categories those who believe in God of yours, Zeus and us who believe in Satan. Now we have two different ways. This cause a great tension so please try by all the means to fix the problem. As for me l don't believe in your Zeus things is nonsense to me. And l don't even want to know him at all

I think it is very important to try to understand other people and what they are trying to say before jumping to conclusions as extreme as you have done. I already replied to your topic earlier that there is a mass of new material, and you clearly need to educate yourself.

Again, Zeus is Satan. Satan is also known as MANY other names during different times and ages.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Satan was the central name of our Head God for over 20 years , and now it's just another minor name put in the list of our names for Zeus with the caveat that it is an enemy label. The shift caused shock, as we've seen in the past couple months. It's like living in a house for 20 years and then suddenly in a day the whole family is sent somehwere else, even if it's a better house. There was always going to be strong reactions, especially from those who strongly cling to the Satanic identity as defence mechanism against xianity. This is all the past now, I'm glad though that most understood clearly our Pagan heritage and what the JOS/TOZ was always about. It's about Godhood, not "devil worship".

 

[Pan_Shaman]

Oh hell naw muh feelings zeus isn't satan asdfaf

Grow up

 

[Aquarius]

Then are you saying joy of satan is not spiritual satanism or devil worship group. I joined this occult on 2010 and reveals clear that we are devil worshipper and then now you introduce us another God, Zeus. Its better to create two categories those who believe in God of yours, Zeus and us who believe in Satan. Now we have two different ways. This cause a great tension so please try by all the means to fix the problem. As for me l don't believe in your Zeus things is nonsense to me. And l don't even want to know him at all

Another one from 2010. Why is it always them that come complaining with 1 week old accounts? Lol

 

[Δυσδαιμόνα Διαμαντής]

 

[Hárbarðr]

Why is it so hard to understand that Zeus (Perun in Slavic - my people) is another name for Satan?

Even of Satan weren't Zeus, I'm pretty sure nobody here who read and knew what the JoS teaches would have a major problem with it because Zeus would still be a God on our side. I wouldn't even mind if it was changed to "Temple of Thoth" or "Temple of Athena" because both were ancient Gods on our side. The only reason one would react this way (like "I don't know Zeus and I don't want to know him at all") would be if one is a Christian "Satanist". He even used the term "devil worshipper", so there you have it.

 

[Henu the Great]

Defination

Zeus is not Satan please.
Satan is the prince of demons and adversary of judio. Satan is traditionally understood as an angel who rebelled against judio god and was moved out of heaven with other “fallen” angels before the creation of humankind.
Zeus is the god of the sky in ancient Greek mythology. As the chief Greek deity, Zeus is considered the ruler, protector, and father of gods and humans.

Zeus is the King of the gods, the most high god and father of gods and man. Though not perfect he is ultimately just. The OT genocidal Yahweh is far more a “Satan” than Zeus ever was.

Then according to this small general definitions how could you believe that Satan is Zeus. Why all those years of worship Satan we did not consider your Zeus thing.

Let us make elections for that who want your Zeus thing (temple of zeus) and those who want Lord Satan (joy of satan)

Hail Satan!
Hail Abbrasax
Hail Balaam

Well, you are mistaken here, and you refuse to go through the material that has been presented to you as a resource to reflect on indicates that either you lack the mental capacity to consider that things do evolve, or that you are dishonest in your inquiry. Either way, there will not be any elections as ToZ is not a democracy, and these updates have occurred many months ago, with everyone (except select few for no good reason) welcomed wholeheartedly. I mean, just open the Grand Ritual of Zeus to see for yourself, if you are honest here.

 

[616Taysha]

Check my signature - let it give you some food for thought.

If not, I guess there is nothing for you.

 

[Hárbarðr]

Check my signature - let it give you some food for thought.

If not, I guess there is nothing for you.

The funny thing is the post quoted in your signature is about people who want Ancient Paganism but disagree with the name ToZ.

That Sam person doesn't even want Ancient Paganism, he still believes in the fallen angel crap. And demands elections on top of it!

 

[Isothemides]

I have to say, these threads often turn into cesspools of circlejerking and making fun of people instead of giving actual resources on how to understand the changes and what led to them. Directing people to the appropriate Sermons instead of being inconsiderate and fishing for reactions (however humorous it may be) should be a standard. Forum members should not be here to make fun of others but to promote collective advancement; Guardian Blitzkreig's behavior is exemplary in situations like this, do well to learn from him. I will make a post regarding this soon (a collection of Sermons and FAQ on the changes and explanations etc.) once I finish my Sermon categorization. We are all human but please do not get lost in "fun" or peer pressure, the only pressure we should feel in this case is adherence to our Ethics. We all make mistakes; look forward to improve and help others instead of drowning in guilt.

For Returning Members

"We want to be part of this Golden Age transition and herald it as its bringers, and I officially declare, that anything that represents the enemy context will progressively disappear.
We must refuse to dwell on anything that has its roots in the interpolations of the enemy. " - High Priest Zevios Metathronos

Temple of Zeus Announcement and Q&A by High Priest Zevios Metathronos (Explaining the changes, etc.):
Temple Of Zeus Is Now Live
Official Live AMA Video from ToZ
Answering Concerns About ToZ [The Other Side Of It]
Climb To The Gods: We Won't Dumb It Down

Baal Zebul/Baalzebul vs Satan/Lucifer (Both are the same God):
ZEVISTS: Our New Name, Zeus & Thunder Power - Sat & Zev
Plutarch & Herodotus - Who Are The Gods?
Zeus, Satya, Reforms & The Time Before "Satanism" - Moving Into the Golden Age [Update 1: Resources]
The Tripartite Nature Of Zeus: Satan/Beelzebul & Satanic Lore

What happened to HPS Pythia?:
About HPS Pythia And The JoS
New Rituals & Schedule Now Live: HPS Pythia's Ritual & Lord Balaam's Ritual

What Happened to the Other Inactive Clergy:
Demotion of Clergy - New Rules

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Defination

Zeus is not Satan please.
Satan is the prince of demons and adversary of judio. Satan is traditionally understood as an angel who rebelled against judio god and was moved out of heaven with other “fallen” angels before the creation of humankind.
Zeus is the god of the sky in ancient Greek mythology. As the chief Greek deity, Zeus is considered the ruler, protector, and father of gods and humans.

Zeus is the King of the gods, the most high god and father of gods and man. Though not perfect he is ultimately just. The OT genocidal Yahweh is far more a “Satan” than Zeus ever was.

Then according to this small general definitions how could you believe that Satan is Zeus. Why all those years of worship Satan we did not consider your Zeus thing.

Let us make elections for that who want your Zeus thing (temple of zeus) and those who want Lord Satan (joy of satan)

Hail Satan!
Hail Abbrasax
Hail Balaam

High Priestess Pythia, Our Founder has written since 2002, that our Demons are the pre-xian Pagan Gods, predating xianity by thousands of years.

She understood and discovered since the earliest beginnings of our Temple that the Demons are prominent Egyptian Gods and Gods from other Pantheons.

With further research over the past decades, we definitely know the many names of The True God, our Head God Zeus, Amon, who was also called Satan in the past few thousand years.

We, thanks to High Priest Zevios's continued work and research, and the contributions of our hard working TG's and members to actualize this, have fulfilled High Priestess Pythia's original aim from the first day of our Temples conception, to restore the Ancient pre-xian Pagan Gods to their original stature and Thrones, restoring Their names for the whole world to see and know Them once more, as per the original promise and conception of our Temple by our Founder, Lady Pythia.

The Gods, and our founder smile upon us for the great work achieved, for finally people can know the real Truth as it has always been since time immemorial, fully restoring the Ancient knowledge our Great Ancestors have always known.

We exist as we have always been. Enemy context on any of our knowledge has always been irrelevant. They are nothing in front of the Gods and even us.

 

[616Taysha]

these threads often turn into cesspools of circlejerking and making fun of people

Secondly, Completely correct. Alas, when our efforts to provide people with relevant materials fail, we can lighten up by having some harmless fun. And mind you, it does serve a purpose (if someone is able to be remotely affected by it).

instead of giving actual resources on how to understand the changes and what led to them

Firstly, completely wrong. This is the 1st thing that we do to solve any problems, to explain any misconceptions and to disspel any confusion.

Not the least of which is the fact that some people come here to troll - yes, we should be and we are open to correction. If, however, someone persists in their delusion ('ohhh satan be bad, me be bad'), well...

Either they will be temporarily discouraged, then hit ToZ AND THEN return, acknowledging they had been wrong, OR find another 'religion' which will sate their appetite for 'dharkness'.

please do not get lost in "fun"

The not-so-new user: "U no sheet. Satan be fallyn angl!"
Us: "no, please study this page, this page and that page. Understand why the change of the name."
The not-so-new user: "Me no lik it. U no sheet!"
Us: "we would urge you to give yourself time to study them, as it takes time to understand why. Why don't you check the Grand Ritual to Zeus to understand the change."
The not-so-new user: "U b stoopid. Satan be no Zeus! U stoopid!"

Is it amusing? Not really. Alas, this does seem to be the pattern.

instead of drowning in guilt

Sooo, you are trying to drown us in guilt for failing to provide suffcient data to this fellow? I won't feel guilty because someone refuses a helping hand.

Being open to another person? Aye! Remembering that there may be some ulterior motives? Aye aye. Time can tell.

 

[shogu]

This isn't right what you guys did to the original website. Temple of ZEUS? REALLY? im sorry but satan is not zeus. Zeus is more attributed to jupier / indra. The gods of heaven. Satan was more attributed to saturn / venus. This is really gonna throw off newcomers. This website is definitely not the same nor will it ever be until its returned into its orginal form. Dont bring zeus into this why would you? This should be a seperate website altogether because trust me this has nothing to do with satan.

I remember Satan was linked to Enki first and foremost.

 

[Hárbarðr]

I remember Satan was linked to Enki first and foremost.

Yes. The point is that both the JoS site and the ToZ said Satan is a Pagan God and not a stereotypical "dark" one. Those guys are complaining because they follow the mainstream version of "Satanism".

It's crazy how so many people who had the wrong idea of "Satan" were lurking in the JoS groups and forums all those years just because the name "Satan" was in the name of the organization. Nobody noticed them. They either stayed silent or were posting simple things, not one of them read the site and they just assumed it was for them. This change of the name to ToZ brought all of them out of the woodwork and they are now coming to us demanding that the name be changed back.

I am sure if the name was changed to Temple of Enki they would react in the same way.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

('ohhh satan be bad, me be bad'), well...

Me bad? Pa chomp, pa chewy chomp.

 

[Ài Gōng]

I remember Satan was linked to Enki first and foremost.

Zeus, Satya, Reforms & The Time Before "Satanism" - Moving Into the Golden Age [Update 1: Resources]

I agree with everything you said but I don't know if in my mind I could ever call him anything but father Satan. I am sure even the rituals will completely change what we call him over time and sort of have already, but mentally I still feel like it's 2003. JoS already has been redefined and I...

ancient-forums.com

 

[Head Guardian Sophiles Phylax]

Zeus and Satan are two different gods

They are of the same entity, but two different "faces". Even in the simple life of humans we wear different faces with different "energies". In one situation we are a brother or son, another we are a disciplinarian, and another a worker, and so on.

 

[Nikólaos666]

You would have guess that after 15 years, one would be advance enough to have an opened 3rd eye and understand this more.

 

[Stormblood]

If you talk to "Satan" and tell him exactly about what's going to happen about the closest very significant event in my future life, I'll believe.

Since that's extremely unlikely as you don't have direct communication with the Gods (unlike High Priest Zevios Metathronos and others among us), nobody is ever going to believe. You lack both experience and expertise.

 

[Δυσδαιμόνα Διαμαντής]

Defination

Zeus is not Satan please.
Satan is the prince of demons and adversary of judio. Satan is traditionally understood as an angel who rebelled against judio god and was moved out of heaven with other “fallen” angels before the creation of humankind.
Zeus is the god of the sky in ancient Greek mythology. As the chief Greek deity, Zeus is considered the ruler, protector, and father of gods and humans.

Zeus is the King of the gods, the most high god and father of gods and man. Though not perfect he is ultimately just. The OT genocidal Yahweh is far more a “Satan” than Zeus ever was.

Then according to this small general definitions how could you believe that Satan is Zeus. Why all those years of worship Satan we did not consider your Zeus thing.

Let us make elections for that who want your Zeus thing (temple of zeus) and those who want Lord Satan (joy of satan)

Hail Satan!
Hail Abbrasax
Hail Balaam

Then who else could be Satan in the Greek mythology?
And you are wrong. Actually this was discussed earlier too. Years ago, Baalzebul or "Enlil" was identified as Zeus. The same entity is behind these names. Satan.
This knowledge was finally confirmed not long ago as HP Zevios Metathronos already said...

Your willful ignorance is annoying...

 

[I am the Dajjaloke]

If you talk to "Satan" and tell him exactly about what's going to happen about the closest very significant event in my future life, I'll believe.

Since that's extremely unlikely as you don't have direct communication with the Gods (unlike High Priest Zevios Metathronos and others among us), nobody is ever going to believe. You lack both experience and expertise.

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