Rational Satanist said:
If HP Maxine wanted to include the spiritual square, he would state "after the square working use an affirmation" in the description. She wouldn't single out the material one as needing an affirmation.
As I said above, the Spiritual Square is more like power meditation and not raising energy towards a goal. When you empower a chakra for example, you don't need an affirmation. Most power meditations don't need an affirmation. I have no idea what HP Maxine said, but I really haven't heard her say anything like that. Maybe she was referring to a specific context. "Anything that raises energy" could mean anything you need to direct for a specific purpose. I remember her using the word "dissipated" to mean "not directed", "not focused" or "scattered". But certainly it's not true at all that energy without an affirmation gets wasted.
Every type of energy you invoke stays on your soul, and especially if you invoke it repeatedly, it builds up. That's why you clean your aura after black magick in order not anything bad to happen, and you are told not to invoke negative energy. Using your logic, if you invoked negative energy without an affirmation, if would be safe. It's really stupid to think like that.
I've been doing spiritual squares for 10 years since they first came out without an affirmation. They work pretty fine in my experience.
Do you need to be babysitted and told each and every step every time, in every meditation and working? If so, then you should stick to the beginner section of everything on JoS. Other sections (i.e. intermediate, advanced) assume that you are already familiar with the basics, so most often very basic information will only be implied.
"If Maxine wanted..." How do you know? Do you live in her mind?
Here is a simple test for you, instead of overthinking and assuming, which are logical fallacies: try both methods for an extensive period of time (years) and an open mind. Note the differences in your journal. You will realise that what we're saying is 100% correct and grow in your awareness and understanding.
No, I never said invoking anything without an affirmation would be safe. I said that nearly 90% of it dissipates because it's unprogrammed. You are discussing things you have little to no experience with. You only have experience of one side of things. That is not complete experience, and it shows you haven't progressed much. In 10 years you can't verify this with Gods but keep overthinking? Seriously?
Rational Satanist said:
Stormblood said:
Everything needs an affirmation if you're raising energy.
I also have a specific example from the JoS site which disproves that: Invoking the Elements. See: The instructions on invoking the elements does not mention anything about affirmations. You balance the elements by invoking the weak ones repeatedly. As I said, invoking a specific energy repeatedly makes it build on your soul. The same with the planetary energies. To strengthen a planet, you use the spiritual square so that its energy builds up without needing an affirmation.
As for my "assumption" being "wrong" and about "experienced members and HP Cobra" saying otherwise, this is one of the problems with the Nu-JoS that I've said before: that people choose to replace teachings that come from Satan with their own feelings. There are many wrong teachings being widely accepted in the forums that weren't part of JoS 10 years ago, and came about because people wanted to rationalize things instead of asking Satan: That the Gods weren't literally bound, that there are no enemy Nordics and the angels are just thoughtforms and the Gods still need to eat after becoming Gods (even though there are Hindu Yogis who are "breatharians" and don't need to eat, and haven't eaten anything for more than 50 years). Obviously all three are wrong.
I understand that I risk being banned for what I'm saying, but I really don't care at this point now. Many teachings since HP Maxine has retired have been twisted and distorted, especially by HP Cobra. HP Cobra was also banned for spreading this sort of misinformation by HP Maxine when he was new. He said that the jews don't have kundalini or a soul for example.
Working with the elements is advanced in both meditation and witchcraft. It justly assumes that you are familiar with basic and intermediate notions. The business of the JoS and of the Gods is that of teaching, not babysitting. If someone advanced need to be told again beginner stuff all the time, it would be the same as someone doing a PhD and their guidelines about the research papers included instructions on how to write each letter, link letters together, create a sentence, and so on. Is it primary school or doctoral school?
10 years ago we weren't as advanced as we are now. 20 years ago neither. Have you maybe noticed how the manipura chakra points downward instead of upward? Originally, it was pointed upward. Have you noticed how certain chakra rulerships have changed twice over the course of JoS history, and the understanding has been deepened rather than being kept to a very shallow and low level? This is because knowledge is uncovered, growth in awareness, power and wisdom ensues. We are not static beings. If you like oversimplifying things, you will always be stuck at beginner level.
The difference between meditating without affirmations and using affirmation is tremendous, like I stated.
Approaching Father Satan and asking him and your Guardian(s) is exactly what you should be doing. Remember Lady Maxine's post about communication with the Gods not being flawless even at her level? She has always been humble, despite her tremendous advancement and siddhis that far outclasses me, you and most of us here combined. Yet you somehow feel like your knowledge is perfect... without any experience about using affirmations. Do you understand that you cannot really speak without having extensive experience of both sides? Especially, with assumptions on implications. This is not how the scientific method works.
Do you think that you are not the only one that is advancing? Why do you think you're the only one that is correct and everyone else is wrong, despite you having half the experience?
Astral communication is by nature limited. What is limited by? By your level of understanding, awareness and openness. If you're not open to statements that contradict your beliefs and values, you will never hear anyone speaking against that. The Gods may try to show you in other indirect ways, but if you don't want to take the message, you will not. This will be partially resolved as the presence of the enemy is completely obliterated from the planet, but it cannot be fully experience opposing teachings if you unconscious remains close to them and the Gods are not in the business of forcefully converting you to anything.
Also, how are you taking things literally has to shrink the Gods' power down to your level? If you were bound, you definitely would not be able to do anything at all. The Gods have tens of thousand of years of advancement on their back. Each year is not simply one year when you build momentum, as that's not how physics and metaphysics work. The Reptilians and none of their minion never came even close to their power and advancement. It seems here like you are projecting YOUR behaviour on others: your feeling and overthinking tell you you're right, but you don't have the spiritual understanding and capacity to back it up. But, yeah, obviously everything is wrong because you said so. No kundalini risen, no godhood reached, your elements are not balanced and your ida and pingala are still separate from what I can see in your soul, but you're more right than everyone else here.
Some people are much more advanced than you are now, so you should be putting your work on advancing instead of criticising what you don't understand and what you barely understand. Do not give false information to new people, or someone will always come to tell you otherwise.
FancyMancy said:
Hey, do you have the sermon with Lady Maxine's quote about energy, where she states that any unprogrammed energy is wasted energy? And also the one where she mentions the fallibility of astral communication?