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What does everyone here think about vegetarianism?

Zevists and the Gods care very much about animals, I might not be the most qualified to speak on this topic as I'm not a nutritionist but I do think diet is a personal choice... Veganism can be dangerous because people can get nutrient deficiencies and impaired physical and cognitive functions. I think everyone wants all the animals to be happy and this comes when we take care of them and their environments (not raise chickens in batteries and livestock must live in clean conditions, etc).

My understanding is that meat is very good to have in our diets, our pets eat meat and so do the carnivore animals. We must treat all life respectfully and eat in moderation.
We have to be strong and healthy so we have to take care of our minds and bodies - Eggs and milk are a good source of protein which our bodies need to build and maintain muscle, low muscle percentage can lead to dementia and frailty. It's best to have a well-rounded diet that helps you feel full and energized.
 
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But we humans kill them. This is unfair.
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that killing for food is unfair. This and self-defence are by far the most justified reasons to kill. You also seem to forget that animals kill each other too, it's not "us humans". Any carnivore on Earth needs to kill to survive, otherwise, even if the prey lives, the predator dies. 1 death still occurs, so I can't understand your point.
 

I suggest you read the whole thing but for the Zevist/Pagan way of killing animals and eating meat, it starts at the end of page 3. In short, it's to be done out of necessity and in a humane fashion as animals are sacred to the Gods.

You could be a vegetarian, eat eggs and milk and not suffer any defiencies if that's what you prefer. Veganism and especially fruitarianism is where it starts going too far healthwise.
 
What does everyone here think about vegetarianism? I want to be a vegetarian. Because animals have the right to live too. If they killed us, it would never be acceptable. But we humans kill them. This is unfair. Milk and eggs are beneficial. But consuming meat is disgusting.
There is nothing wrong about killing animals to eat them, Zeus have create them for us to feed on them. It's disguting when they are killed by the Jews in their rituals. We need meat to be strong.

Why are you saying that it would not be acceptable for animals to kill us? And what does it have to do with humans feeding on animals?
 
There is nothing wrong about killing animals to eat them, Zeus have create them for us to feed on them. It's disguting when they are killed by the Jews in their rituals. We need meat to be strong.

Why are you saying that it would not be acceptable for animals to kill us? And what does it have to do with humans feeding on animals?
It feels like cannibalism.
 
Zevists and the Gods care very much about animals, I might not be the most qualified to speak on this topic as I'm not a nutritionist but I do think diet is a personal choice... Veganism can be dangerous because people can get nutrient deficiencies and impaired physical and cognitive functions. I think everyone wants all the animals to be happy and this comes when we take care of them and their environments (not raise chickens in batteries and livestock must live in clean conditions, etc).

My understanding is that meat is very good to have in our diets, our pets eat meat and so do the carnivore animals. We must treat all life respectfully and eat in moderation.
We have to be strong and healthy so we have to take care of our minds and bodies - Eggs and milk are a good source of protein which our bodies need to build and maintain muscle, low muscle percentage can lead to dementia and frailty. It's best to have a well-rounded diet that helps you feel full and energized.
I am not vegan. I consume eggs and dairy products.
 
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that killing for food is unfair. This and self-defence are by far the most justified reasons to kill. You also seem to forget that animals kill each other too, it's not "us humans". Any carnivore on Earth needs to kill to survive, otherwise, even if the prey lives, the predator dies. 1 death still occurs, so I can't understand your point.
I don't know. The animal slaughter festival in Arab countries and what is done to animals on farms really upsets me.😭
 

I suggest you read the whole thing but for the Zevist/Pagan way of killing animals and eating meat, it starts at the end of page 3. In short, it's to be done out of necessity and in a humane fashion as animals are sacred to the Gods.

You could be a vegetarian, eat eggs and milk and not suffer any defiencies if that's what you prefer. Veganism and especially fruitarianism is where it starts going too far healthwise.
I don't think being vegan is right. Eating only fruit is harmful to human health. I eat eggs and milk. I eat meat. But I eat meat dishes because my family forces me to. When I establish my own life, I plan to become vegetarian.
 
I don't think being vegan is right. Eating only fruit is harmful to human health. I eat eggs and milk. I eat meat. But I eat meat dishes because my family forces me to. When I establish my own life, I plan to become vegetarian.
It’s perfectly fine to be vegetarian if that’s your preference. It can be done in a healthy way unlike veganism.

However we are allowed to kill animals for food. Zevism places no dietary restrictions. It’s not really unfair.
 
I don't know. The animal slaughter festival in Arab countries and what is done to animals on farms really upsets me.😭
The dismal state of animal treatment, of what mostly happens, should not be taken as a means to justify means to weaken your nutrition intake. Animals can be taken care, and humanely treated all the way through, even during slaughter. We have been given information and skills by Gods to farm and raise animals for food for thousands and thousands of years. The problem today is that everything is distorted and perverted to such a large extent that things such as veganism and vegetarism become popular, not only due to these inhumane practices, but also due to various types of programming in the media and even curses that have been set upon us by jewish magick over time. The solution therefore, is not necessarily to abstain, but to seek better alternatives. Even to this day, if one wishes to take extensive measures, local farms supply produce and animal products in better conditions than the food industry does.
 
The dismal state of animal treatment, of what mostly happens, should not be taken as a means to justify means to weaken your nutrition intake. Animals can be taken care, and humanely treated all the way through, even during slaughter. We have been given information and skills by Gods to farm and raise animals for food for thousands and thousands of years. The problem today is that everything is distorted and perverted to such a large extent that things such as veganism and vegetarism become popular, not only due to these inhumane practices, but also due to various types of programming in the media and even curses that have been set upon us by jewish magick over time. The solution therefore, is not necessarily to abstain, but to seek better alternatives. Even to this day, if one wishes to take extensive measures, local farms supply produce and animal products in better conditions than the food industry does.
Perhaps the judeo-Arabic religion caused me to think this way. Muslim festival of animal slaughter was horrific.
 
I don't know. The animal slaughter festival in Arab countries and what is done to animals on farms really upsets me.😭
Killing for food (humanely, with respect to the animal) is different from torturing animals for festivals. This is like saying you won't touch meat again because jews happen to be doing blood sacrifices using animals in some corner of the world. What's the correlation? Also, yes, the conditions meat animals live through are horrible. What should change is their environment and killing method. No one denied that.
 
Killing for food (humanely, with respect to the animal) is different from torturing animals for festivals. This is like saying you won't touch meat again because jews happen to be doing blood sacrifices using animals in some corner of the world. What's the correlation? Also, yes, the conditions meat animals live through are horrible. What should change is their environment and killing method. No one denied that.
Thanks, ok, bro
 
What does everyone here think about vegetarianism? I want to be a vegetarian. Because animals have the right to live too. If they killed us, it would never be acceptable. But we humans kill them. This is unfair. Milk and eggs are beneficial. But consuming meat is disgusting.
Animals kill each other more than we kill them. Many of the animals we consume wouldn't even grow to the size they do if humans didn't raise them for food. We too are part of nature, and nature's laws—harsh as they may be—apply to us as well. Refusing meat can lead to nutritional harm, and many vegan influencers have died from health complications linked to their restrictive diets. Furthermore, the argument that veganism is cruelty-free is flawed. Plants are also living beings with biological responses to harm. They sense and react to threats and damage. Therefore, even a plant-based diet involves taking life.
 
Could the Mods please purify the Forum off of this dross? I mean this caroline user, who you so gracefully banned - for which I am grateful to you - and whose sole aim was to artificially inflate the amount of posts?

(you don't even need to post this very message - it is just to ask you about this, as we've recently been having an influx of 'new' people, some of whom I don't believe are new, but rather old trolls making other accounts to spread their filth.)

Thank you in advance for your perseverance!
 
I don't know. The animal slaughter festival in Arab countries and what is done to animals on farms really upsets me.😭
Factory farming, is arguably one of the biggest moral failures of humanity. The history will look upon billions of animals being treated worse than even a luggage at some airports and wonder "how in the world could they do this?". Humans talk about sentience in the machines, yet we cannot even recognize and acknowledge the sentience that has been with us since the dawn of time.

But regardless of that sad and utterly disappointing fact, we are still omnivores and thrive the best on a diet consisting of both animal and plant products. And also, dietary preferences are yours to make. Zevism imposes no dietary laws.
 
Meat is needed for growth, this is also specified in the Vedic texts.
Vegeterianism among yogis is a modern corruption.

Cuting the meat out of the diet also have metaphysical effects, and makes you weaker.

So to be healty and strong, meat is needed among your diet.
 
What does everyone here think about vegetarianism? I want to be a vegetarian. Because animals have the right to live too. If they killed us, it would never be acceptable. But we humans kill them. This is unfair. Milk and eggs are beneficial. But consuming meat is disgusting.
Greetings!

Truth being told, animals in wild nature live horrible lives, they are torn apart and eaten alive by other animals but the worst thing is long tormenting death of disease that is inevitable in the old age. As well as humans they have diseases, parasites, physical and psychological traumas and even psychic diseases. Humans possess higher technology to heal these in them or to grant them euthanasia which relieves a lot of their pain. Humans domesticating them and creating artificial good life for them is an act of great mercy as well as easy quick death in the comfortable age by our knife comparing to torture of long unable elderly life in jungle.

What you propose is not domesticating meet providing animals. This would have created endless thousand of years of them living in jungle, torn apart, eaten alive and tortured to death by diseases and parasites on their own instead of what we created for them or at least what we tried to create. These 2 thousands years of xianity left many scars in them because of how they were treated. But our Ancestors intended to create paradise life for them in return to their meet. So I think from the standpoint of the animal their life with us is great luck and mercy from our part. They would plead us to be our food to eternity. I on their place would.
 
Greetings!

Truth being told, animals in wild nature live horrible lives, they are torn apart and eaten alive by other animals but the worst thing is long tormenting death of disease that is inevitable in the old age. As well as humans they have diseases, parasites, physical and psychological traumas and even psychic diseases. Humans possess higher technology to heal these in them or to grant them euthanasia which relieves a lot of their pain. Humans domesticating them and creating artificial good life for them is an act of great mercy as well as easy quick death in the comfortable age by our knife comparing to torture of long unable elderly life in jungle.

What you propose is not domesticating meet providing animals. This would have created endless thousand of years of them living in jungle, torn apart, eaten alive and tortured to death by diseases and parasites on their own instead of what we created for them or at least what we tried to create. These 2 thousands years of xianity left many scars in them because of how they were treated. But our Ancestors intended to create paradise life for them in return to their meet. So I think from the standpoint of the animal their life with us is great luck and mercy from our part. They would plead us to be our food to eternity. I on their place would.
There are also specific created animals designed to be cattle and later food, with very low awareness.
These comes from the Gods.

Chickens are an example.

Also the animals such as the wild ones don't percieve things in the same way you or another human would.

Every specie is different and have their own biological design and ways to approach life, death, reincarnation, mating, ecc...

Certain animals as traits have things that are horrible for humans to do.
Male crocodiles hunts down baby crocodiles for food.

You can't just humanely be empathic with them, like you would do with other humans.
 
New member here, greetings everyone!

Wonderfully thought provoking words, indeed there are so many things provided for animals kept in proper affectionate conditions, compared to the utterly miserable struggles they have to face under natural conditions!

I say this even as a stark ardent vegetarian! Granted, animals are mostly killed at a young age for more preferred meat quality (of course in nature even babies are targeted as easy catches aye), and I myself wish nobody ever ate meat... But being killed by someone trying their damnedest to do it as humanely as possible sure beats getting torn apart by some predator aye!

I actually heard this very intriguing notion once that prey caught by predators go into some kind of numbed state where they actually don't feel as much physically or mentally/emotionally because of the shock... Right away thought of car crash victims reporting zero pain or distress because of their shock state, of course I wouldn't be able to tell though just how accurate that animal point of view description is aye, probably the closest we'd get to the truth is through human reports of similar experiences aye!

By the way, I'd love to hear if anyone here is aware of scientific studies going past the notion of this chart I saw describing why human bodies are not made to digest meat aye... I'm saying it out of genuine curiosity...

Another interesting thing I heard is that milk is the only thing that contains this I forgot now what thing the grey matter in our brain needs, also, breast milk, the straight, unpasteurized type of milk in all mammals I guess, contains cannabinoids! I guess baby humans and critters get stoned when they're "milk drunk" aye ahaha... Said to make babies hungrier while nursing to take in more, and calmer afterwards! (Also heard that doing weed while pregnant, the healthiest form of intake being especially the eaten from, makes babies born more developed... Fascinating notions!)

But aye, if vegetarianism was that crappy people in India would die all over the place aye ahaha... (I think vegetarian Indian cooking is the most blissful, glorious damn cuisine in the world ahahahaha... Am originally from Hungary by the way, wasn't raised on it but sure think about learning more Indian recipes!)

I think it's at least headways, culturally speaking, that people have become more aware of the awful treatment of critters kept for meat, being a huge first step towards a change for the better... 🤘 😊 ✨🌈🦄🌈✨
 
But being killed by someone trying their damnedest to do it as humanely as possible sure beats getting torn apart by some predator aye!
There are two factors to consider here when speaking about an animal in the wild meeting its end in the teeth and claws of the predator, and a farmed animal living its entire life in horrible condition before being taken to a slaughterhouse to be killed.

An animal in the wild that is being preyed upon usually lives its life as it sees fit, until it becomes a target. When that day comes, it's usually a surprise, resulting in an adrenaline rush, fight or run for its life until it either escapes or is killed by a predator.

Today (used to be better in the past), a farmed animal spends almost entire life in horrible conditions that I cannot even begin to describe here. On top of horrendous living conditions, it's what is done to these animals as well, calves being dehorned without any anesthetics, chicks being debeaked, piglets having their tails cut off...many horrible things to make animals more compliant with living in absolutely horrendous conditions. All of those can cause chronic, lifelong pain.

Then, when this life of absolutely pitiful existence comes to an end (not a natural end, farm animals are killed at a fraction of their natural lifespan), they are shipped over to the slaughterhouse, once again in a cramped truck trailer (you might have seen these trucks while you were driving, almost every single one of them has slaughterhouse as a destination, animals are rarely moved like this for other reasons).

When they arrive at the slaughterhouse, it's nothing like being about to be attacked by a predator in the wild. They usually are rounded up, go through a narrow passage to the kill floor where they are stunned usually with bolt guns, (and these can and do fail, requiring multiple shots), electricity (not flawless either, sometimes it just paralyzes rather than stuns) or gas chambers (which are CO2 and cause immense suffering due to how CO2 acts, causing gasping for air, airways burning, and panic similar to drowning). Then, when they are stunned, they have their throats slit. Sometimes they are even still alive at this point, because sometimes when stunning fails, workers will just not bother again. This is the final step that is supposed to cause fast death, but sometimes even after they have their throats slit or stuck, they can still remain conscious for up to a minute or more, which is displayed by some obvious signs such as writhing, raising their heads on a hoist line and looking around, tail wagging, etc. It was previously believed these are all unconscious body movements, but the recent evidence suggests the animal is very likely conscious and aware at these stages.

There is much more horror that I omitted to avoid making this into a full blown essay instead of just one simple forum post. Islamic and jewish methods of slaughter are in whole other league of cruelty, they don't even bother with stunning for example.

And regarding labels such as "cruelty-free", "free range", "humane slaughter"...etc. These are all sounding good and noble, but in practice, 99 percent of the meat, dairy and eggs on the market today come from the above described factory farms and slaughterhouses.





So, in closing, if I had to be an animal and someone let me choose, I think I would pick living in the wild. After all, there's some chance of survival. Not every wild animal will meet its end as a prey. On a farm, there's close to 0 chance of survival for most of the animals (excluding some like horses, but even aversion to horse meat is mainly a Western thing, it's not universal). You will be killed, either for food or because you are not useful anymore (such as spent egg laying hens, male calves...etc).

(Disclaimer: this post does not serve to convert anyone, make someone stop eating meat, or whatever. Do not get an idea that I am trying to promote veganism here or such).
 
There are two factors to consider here when speaking about an animal in the wild meeting its end in the teeth and claws of the predator, and a farmed animal living its entire life in horrible condition before being taken to a slaughterhouse to be killed.

An animal in the wild that is being preyed upon usually lives its life as it sees fit, until it becomes a target. When that day comes, it's usually a surprise, resulting in an adrenaline rush, fight or run for its life until it either escapes or is killed by a predator.

Today (used to be better in the past), a farmed animal spends almost entire life in horrible conditions that I cannot even begin to describe here. On top of horrendous living conditions, it's what is done to these animals as well, calves being dehorned without any anesthetics, chicks being debeaked, piglets having their tails cut off...many horrible things to make animals more compliant with living in absolutely horrendous conditions. All of those can cause chronic, lifelong pain.

Then, when this life of absolutely pitiful existence comes to an end (not a natural end, farm animals are killed at a fraction of their natural lifespan), they are shipped over to the slaughterhouse, once again in a cramped truck trailer (you might have seen these trucks while you were driving, almost every single one of them has slaughterhouse as a destination, animals are rarely moved like this for other reasons).

When they arrive at the slaughterhouse, it's nothing like being about to be attacked by a predator in the wild. They usually are rounded up, go through a narrow passage to the kill floor where they are stunned usually with bolt guns, (and these can and do fail, requiring multiple shots), electricity (not flawless either, sometimes it just paralyzes rather than stuns) or gas chambers (which are CO2 and cause immense suffering due to how CO2 acts, causing gasping for air, airways burning, and panic similar to drowning). Then, when they are stunned, they have their throats slit. Sometimes they are even still alive at this point, because sometimes when stunning fails, workers will just not bother again. This is the final step that is supposed to cause fast death, but sometimes even after they have their throats slit or stuck, they can still remain conscious for up to a minute or more, which is displayed by some obvious signs such as writhing, raising their heads on a hoist line and looking around, tail wagging, etc. It was previously believed these are all unconscious body movements, but the recent evidence suggests the animal is very likely conscious and aware at these stages.

There is much more horror that I omitted to avoid making this into a full blown essay instead of just one simple forum post. Islamic and jewish methods of slaughter are in whole other league of cruelty, they don't even bother with stunning for example.

And regarding labels such as "cruelty-free", "free range", "humane slaughter"...etc. These are all sounding good and noble, but in practice, 99 percent of the meat, dairy and eggs on the market today come from the above described factory farms and slaughterhouses.





So, in closing, if I had to be an animal and someone let me choose, I think I would pick living in the wild. After all, there's some chance of survival. Not every wild animal will meet its end as a prey. On a farm, there's close to 0 chance of survival for most of the animals (excluding some like horses, but even aversion to horse meat is mainly a Western thing, it's not universal). You will be killed, either for food or because you are not useful anymore (such as spent egg laying hens, male calves...etc).

(Disclaimer: this post does not serve to convert anyone, make someone stop eating meat, or whatever. Do not get an idea that I am trying to promote veganism here or such).
Yeppp, I meant small homesteads I for example lived and worked on, but honestly, I don't think I saw a single one of them where the critters were treated with as much respect as I myself for example would have considered it proper...

I even considered veganism at a point, especially because of being a mother having nursed, y'all know the unfathomable emotional pain it causes the baby calves and moms getting separated from each other aye?

Let me insert the viciousness of rennet... You take a tiny baby calling wanting nothing to but feel mom close and feel safe and loved... Cows are extremely affectionate and socially needy animals aye... And you kill that tiny baby just to make Goddamn bloody parmesan and crap...

Can't even cuss at meat eaters technically cause just by buying groceries we support those industries with the same blood money circulating around paying for all them wars... 90% of US tax money funding the military industrial complex? Check! (If I recall correctly aye...) One of my closer friends is an Afghanistan vet, guess who was bombing civilian kids and then trying to piece the random chunks of body parts together for the body bags so families can identify em? Yuppp, dude still cries up to this day when every once in a Blue Moon telling someone about it aye...

For a few years I was a practicing Gaudiya Vaishnava (most common branch of Krishna devotee in Western countries) and we just considered that because we offer the dairy to the Deities, the souls from those cow bodies get the Shukriti cleaning up their karma, so it was a spiritual rescue mission aye...

Now that I've come to Father Satan after so much emotional disgruntlement about having been a Krishna devotee, what do I do for the critters aye... (That's a literal question I hope one day someone will insteuct me on aye...) Oh same for plants by the way, the souls having resided in them get the Shukriti too aye... But I don't know if I could just offer each meal to Satan the same way to help jivas (souls) get the Shukriti aye...

I guess there are tons of people in our Fam extremely knowledgeable about Sanatan Dharma, guess I should ask my million questions already lined up bringing it to them aye... *sigh*
 
We can choose to eat or not eat animals, or follow specific diets as we wish. Are you a vegetarian with no deficiencies or illnesses, and able to live this lifestyle healthily? That is amazing, continue if you feel it is beneficial. However, health is not something to be be played with.

We can quote scientific studies all day long, and there will still be debatable statements in all of them. What HG Blitzkreig recently posted here about - "epistemology", which is how a system decides what counts as valid knowledge in the first place - applies.

I am going to say a few things, since I was raised in a vegetarian household (20+ years) and have seen a lot of self-hate among vegetarians and vegans. As a child, I was made and told to imagine the pain of animals when they were killed. Being empathetic and having a parent tell you that repeatedly is not something that makes you stronger or a sane person.

All this obsession with eating and strict rules can take up time and mental energy that could be put toward goals or a better existence. See the basic nutritional rules, find how to eat consciously and you'll be fine. The most issues are with all the additives, oils and sugars, not meat itself.

If we look at a traditional household farm, we see that milking cows and getting eggs from chickens are not harming them in any way. Similarly, eating a chicken during winter, when resources are scarce, is not something to condemn. Civilization was built by humans who ate meat. What should we choose, feeding a family with chicken soup that takes only a few hours to make, or hoping winter fields will somehow produce more crops? Also, an athlete cannot be vegetarian, they will most likely faint or have serious health issues.

Some animals and technologies were given to us by the Gods so we can advance and be at a higher level of existence. This includes the way factory farming and the food industry is done nowadays. We can improve this. There is a lot of waste and many inhumane practices involved in killing animals for food.

Zevists who feel strongly about this and pursue it as a career path can become powerful forces in shaping policies and practices.

... (Also heard that doing weed while pregnant, the healthiest form of intake being especially the eaten from, makes babies born more developed... Fascinating notions!)

This is wrong. You cannot compare the chemical components of breast milk, which is produced internally through biological processes specifically designed for babies, to weed. One is naturally produced by the body for babies at specific periods, the other is an external psychoactive drug.

Weed has more downsides than benefits. Do not do any drugs, they are harmful.
 
We can choose to eat or not eat animals, or follow specific diets as we wish. Are you a vegetarian with no deficiencies or illnesses, and able to live this lifestyle healthily? That is amazing, continue if you feel it is beneficial. However, health is not something to be be played with.

We can quote scientific studies all day long, and there will still be debatable statements in all of them. What HG Blitzkreig recently posted here about - "epistemology", which is how a system decides what counts as valid knowledge in the first place - applies.

I am going to say a few things, since I was raised in a vegetarian household (20+ years) and have seen a lot of self-hate among vegetarians and vegans. As a child, I was made and told to imagine the pain of animals when they were killed. Being empathetic and having a parent tell you that repeatedly is not something that makes you stronger or a sane person.

All this obsession with eating and strict rules can take up time and mental energy that could be put toward goals or a better existence. See the basic nutritional rules, find how to eat consciously and you'll be fine. The most issues are with all the additives, oils and sugars, not meat itself.

If we look at a traditional household farm, we see that milking cows and getting eggs from chickens are not harming them in any way. Similarly, eating a chicken during winter, when resources are scarce, is not something to condemn. Civilization was built by humans who ate meat. What should we choose, feeding a family with chicken soup that takes only a few hours to make, or hoping winter fields will somehow produce more crops? Also, an athlete cannot be vegetarian, they will most likely faint or have serious health issues.

Some animals and technologies were given to us by the Gods so we can advance and be at a higher level of existence. This includes the way factory farming and the food industry is done nowadays. We can improve this. There is a lot of waste and many inhumane practices involved in killing animals for food.

Zevists who feel strongly about this and pursue it as a career path can become powerful forces in shaping policies and practices.



This is wrong. You cannot compare the chemical components of breast milk, which is produced internally through biological processes specifically designed for babies, to weed. One is naturally produced by the body for babies at specific periods, the other is an external psychoactive drug.

Weed has more downsides than benefits. Do not do any drugs, they are harmful.
Indeed, I remember reading an impeccable, incredibly detailed article once that Indians having health issues comes from diverting from traditional Ayurvedic cooking, food is medicine after all aye...

I've heard about thriving vegan athletes though, and pujaris moving massive Deities at Jagannath Puri Dam, although indeed one really can't complain living on all them lavishing paneer Prashadam dishes aye ahaha... 😄 ✨🌈🐮🌈✨
 
The following necessary nutrients are only found in animal products;
Vitamin A, Vitamin B6 (pyridoxal), Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, EPA, DHA, Vitamin K2, Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, Taurine, CoQ10, Cholesterol, Heme iron, Zinc (bioavailable), Selenium (bioavailable), Iodine (reliable form), CLA, Collagen, Gelatin, Hydroxyproline, Proline, Glycine, Elastin, Chondroitin, Glucosamine.
 
Uhm... Honestly...? Again, for example people in India would be dyin out left and right if they were that severely deficient aye... I'm from a Krishna conscious background and believe me, there wasn't a single devotee of the hundreds around me at the temples complaining of any bad health with their lifelong Prashadatarian diet aye... (That's a sattvic lacto-vegetarian diet aye... So no alliums or mycelia, of course no meat or eggs or any other dead critter stuffs aye...) Ayurvedic Prashadatarian diet is the healthiest damn thing I've ever found, and been in relationships with two elderly devotees who were huuuuuuggge on nutrition aye! Actually the human body doesn't have the acidity or short enough digestive tract, or the enzymes, to completely break down meat, it's parasites doing much of the grunt work if I recall right?

Of course if am wrong on any of the above please do correct me people, it's not like I work in a lab or the like aye ahaha... 😅 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

It saddens me by the way just how fierce these pro- and anti-vegetarianism discussions get, I guess it'll always be people believing one side or the other to be the right one, and having personal sentiments aye...

Mine is that I get so shaken by animal suffering I wish I had the guts to commit suicide right on the spot! Moments like witnessing some of it make me wish the entire universe and all existence collapsed, just so all the suffering would cease at last...

I often regret joining these conversations, I'm always just left in dread feeling crazy things like all the fierce pro animal eaters just don't give a damn and would even kick into those critters as they're getting butchered half alive still, writhing for their damn life...

I knew a vegan activist mom who snuck into slaughter houses to video things... No way on Earth I'd ever be able to do that man...!!! I'd probably have permeant mental breakdown aye...

I wish people had a more tender heart... More affectionate... More caring for those defenseless... 😞😞😞
 
Mine is that I get so shaken by animal suffering I wish I had the guts to commit suicide right on the spot!
Instead of pathetically wishing for your own death, you should wish to grow closer to our Gods and advance yourself so you can do more use in the world. The more power we have, the more we can fix these problems. The Gods want us to become strong, not weak and wishing for death instead of trying to improve the world in some way.

And we are supposed to eat animals. The reality is, they are going to die of old age or disease anyway. We should instead give them humane lives, then consume at the correct time, instead of having them become feeble or diseased and wasting away.
 
It's your personal choice.It's scientifically proven that humans require protein in large quantities, especially growing organisms, to develop and function normally.The conditions in which animals are kept are HORRIBLE, and they MUST be changed – conditions should be as close to real ones, and slaughter should be as painless as possible.Giving up meat would be a mistake. In my opinion, animals don't live forever – if they aren't killed and eaten, they will die painfully of old age, other animals, or disease. Death will come for them anyway.
 
grow closer to our Gods
Yes, High Priestess, this is exactly about growing closer to Gods and aligning ourselves with the divine principles. Does anyone here think the Gods would do to farm animals what we are doing today? Me personally, I don't think so.

We have the Gods and the Goddesses who are "protectors of animals". Would the Gods and the Goddesses look upon the absolute horror of treatment of farm animals today and say "yeah, this all looks fine and dandy to me, carry on"? Not sure...

We must, and should do better. Yes, we have been given the power and dominion over all lifeforms on this planet. But as the old adage goes, "with great power comes great responsibility" and I think we severely lack the latter.
 
This hatred of meat and going full vegetarian is fueled by hebrew propaganda, now add to that the disgusting practices of large farming indsutries that don't raise and kill the animals in humane way and it results in people rejecting meat in masse. Its important to understand that nature dictates that most animals eat meat, yes even herbivores, if you look at horses goats and Cows and countless other examples, you will see that most animals are what we Call "OPPORTUNISTIC CARNIVORES" what this means is that whenever an animal has a chance to eat meat, it will take the chance. The only reason why you don't see horses chasing deer or goats chasing mice is because herbivores didn't evolve to have the optimal body to become predators. Its like they don't have a choice but to eat grass.
Here's a video that explains this.

Now this doesn't justify of course the bad practices that are done today, that's why I recommend when you have the option to purchase your meat from farmers market, because animals raised in small farms are usually given a good treatment by the farmers that raised them, we can say that the suffering of the animals is minimized a lot as in the only time it suffered was a quick death when it was slaughtered, but before that it is able to roam around a decent sized pasture and kept very healthy and well taken care of. Rejecting meat is rejecting nature, most of the human race needs meat to nourish their body. Yes there are exceptions some of us due to thousands of years of culture have evolved to survive without meat, think Buddhist monks for example, but most of us will abnormally lose weight and become prone to illness without meat. Most of these vegan/vegetarian influencers have to rely on food supplements to maintain health, personally Id rather take my nutrition from real food instead of taking artificial nutrients made from labs. But of course your life is your choice. Responsibility to the responsible. Whatever lifestyle you choose will affect only you, Zevism doesn't place a law banning food like many false religions do. If a religion tells me I can't eat bacon id prolly not follow that religion.
May you find a good way to nourish yourself in a way that fits how you need most.
Have a blessed day!
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Shaitan

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