The Gods #80346 If it is impossible to change one's gender, is it possible to be born a woman through divine power?

[Ask Satya Operator]

Many will now say that this is all just a historical allegory to connect with their dual side of the soul, but let's be honest and think logically. Why then did Zeus engage him in an argument, and how could he know the answer if he wasn't a woman in the physical sense? Okay, let's say through clairvoyance, but then why ask him about it if Zeus could have done it himself? I think any kind and highly ethical person would like to become a woman and help people.

 

[Darkspirit]

Hello, you already answered your question in the beginning. And no, you don't have to be a woman to have good ethics and to help people men do it too, you just need to focus on the right people.

 

[Nikólaos666]

You want to think logically about a subject that you can't even understand? There is no ''science'' of the soul in modern science, you need to become an initiate to learn from it. Like Zeus did, as you will progress you will understand how it works. No Zeus never was a woman, nor any men will be one. And any women will become a man.

Meditate and work to develop your feminine brain.

 

[Supermario70]

I think any kind and highly ethical person would like to become a woman and help people.

You can help people regardless who you are, gender/sex doesn't make any difference. Every person can access both his male and female sides at will because both are in him. Only men who are suffering from the autogynephilia disorder want to physically become women. Just be honest with yourself.

Why then did Zeus engage him in an argument, and how could he know the answer if he wasn't a woman in the physical sense?

Who did Zeus engage in an argument with? Is it about some allegorical myth that you obviously didn't understand?

And yes, normies misunderstand many myths which are allegories. You have to be well-read on esoteric subjects to understand them. Just like xians telling Asatru Pagans that Loki is "trans".

Androgyny was always allegorical in all mythologies, they meant to represent balanced male and female sides, just like gods with animal heads were not literal half-animals but had somewhat of the characteristics of that animal like the strength of the lion if that God had a lion's head for example. And certainly no myth mentions any god cutting off his penis because he thought he was a woman. If he did that he wouldn't be a god but a mentally ill and unbalanced man.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

As others have said this post delusionally idealizes women as mortal women are far from perfect and can inflict severe abuse and damage to people even if it isn't most of the time violent or physical. Yes we all have both polarities within. Sometimes the opposite polarity is more dominant, this is seen in a minority of people, but it does not change that you are always the same sex throughout all lifetimes.

 

[Recycler1337]

Let's be honest – I don't know, 99% of people here don't. 99.9% of everyone anywhere doesn't.There are numerous studies on reincarnation, but they lack official evidence, and many of them are quackery.JoS/ToZ's position on this issue has changed over time; research is ongoing, and there's no definitive, 100% answer. Many here are simply expressing their opinions and desires.Regarding gender reassignment, it's not possible in the current reality – all gender reassignment surgeries and hormonal drugs will simply castrate you; you won't become a woman. If you simply have fetishes, that's one thing. Embrace them and enjoy them, knowing your limits – harming your health isn't worth it.

 

[Henu the Great]

Let's be honest – I don't know, 99% of people here don't. 99.9% of everyone anywhere doesn't.There are numerous studies on reincarnation, but they lack official evidence, and many of them are quackery.JoS/ToZ's position on this issue has changed over time; research is ongoing, and there's no definitive, 100% answer. Many here are simply expressing their opinions and desires.Regarding gender reassignment, it's not possible in the current reality – all gender reassignment surgeries and hormonal drugs will simply castrate you; you won't become a woman. If you simply have fetishes, that's one thing. Embrace them and enjoy them, knowing your limits – harming your health isn't worth it.

The body is a denser manifestation of the soul. So no, it is not possible to alter one's sex without altering the very essence of oneself. And by doing so, one would not be the same, but a different being altogether.

Can you show examples where the stance of ToZ has changed over time about this subject?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

The body is a denser manifestation of the soul. So no, it is not possible to alter one's sex without altering the very essence of oneself. And by doing so, one would not be the same, but a different being altogether.

Can you show examples where the stance of ToZ has changed over time about this subject?

I don’t think it’s about transgenderism, but it was said in Sumerian writings that Inana had the power to turn men into women and women into men.

Could this be a symbolic meaning of Astarte balancing the masculine/feminine energies in men and women who are too masculine/feminine?

 

[Henu the Great]

I don’t think it’s about transgenderism, but it was said in Sumerian writings that Inana had the power to turn men into women and women into men.

Could this be a symbolic meaning of Astarte balancing the masculine/feminine energies in men and women who are too masculine/feminine?

I am not an expert, but it very well could be. It surely does not mean it in the literal sense, as with mythology in general.

 

[Darkspirit]

JoS/ToZ's position on this issue has changed over time;

I remember some writings from the past about this topic, and the position of ToZ is the same as now.

 

[Recycler1337]

I remember some writings from the past about this topic, and the position of ToZ is the same as now.

I once asked a question: at what age do you exist in the afterlife? The one in which you died (obviously, it's better to die young than a frail old man) or in your prime, or what? The answers varied widely, and no one gave me a clear answer. Personally, I liked the answer that said the soul can take any form it desires in the subtle world.

 

[Recycler1337]

The body is a denser manifestation of the soul. So no, it is not possible to alter one's sex without altering the very essence of oneself. And by doing so, one would not be the same, but a different being altogether.

Can you show examples where the stance of ToZ has changed over time about this subject?

I'm not specifically talking about gender reassignment during reincarnation—as far as I know, there have been no official responses from priests on this topic, and it wasn't discussed in sermons. I was referring to the question of the afterlife, the question of reincarnation—let's say, initially, most souls were devoured by the Grays, the Collectors. Satan saved those who were loyal to him and provided refuge in Hell, where we could await the next incarnation in comfort and well-being and gradually become gods. Now we have four dimensions, increasingly leaning toward Greek beliefs about the afterlife, in a little more detail and with additions from other religions. This is a rather significant shift in ideas about the afterlife, in my opinion. Regarding your lot in this life - your position was given to you for a reason, if you were born a man - then you must live your life as a man, this does not prohibit you from various fetishes or strange sexual practices - but a change of gender is impossible and this is equivalent to the fact that you were born a man, without wings, you cannot fly - you should not jump from a mountain as some Hindu recently did - believing that he could fly, those who change their "gender" - are essentially doing the same to themselves and indulging in this is a sick thing, and there is no definitive answer as to whether a human being can be reborn as a different gender.

 

[Henu the Great]

I'm not specifically talking about gender reassignment during reincarnation—as far as I know, there have been no official responses from priests on this topic, and it wasn't discussed in sermons. I was referring to the question of the afterlife, the question of reincarnation—let's say, initially, most souls were devoured by the Grays, the Collectors. Satan saved those who were loyal to him and provided refuge in Hell, where we could await the next incarnation in comfort and well-being and gradually become gods.

There is a big assumption here, and it is that most souls would be devoured by hostile forces, which, to my understanding, is borne of members' fears aboutthe afterlife, not based on logic. If there are sermons explicitly stating this, can you link them? We should not forget that the four crowns rule supreme of the cosmos, which means that they are ultimately responsible for each individual according to the merits of each individual. And also, what are Greys? They do not possess power over these forces; they are tools of higher powers, be it their masters, which are ultimately ruled by even higher forces.

and there is no definitive answer as to whether a human being can be reborn as a different gender.

This is like saying that your soul is not a definitive thing when in reality it very much is.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

I'm not specifically talking about gender reassignment during reincarnation—as far as I know, there have been no official responses from priests on this topic, and it wasn't discussed in sermons. I was referring to the question of the afterlife, the question of reincarnation—let's say, initially, most souls were devoured by the Grays, the Collectors. Satan saved those who were loyal to him and provided refuge in Hell, where we could await the next incarnation in comfort and well-being and gradually become gods. Now we have four dimensions, increasingly leaning toward Greek beliefs about the afterlife, in a little more detail and with additions from other religions. This is a rather significant shift in ideas about the afterlife, in my opinion. Regarding your lot in this life - your position was given to you for a reason, if you were born a man - then you must live your life as a man, this does not prohibit you from various fetishes or strange sexual practices - but a change of gender is impossible and this is equivalent to the fact that you were born a man, without wings, you cannot fly - you should not jump from a mountain as some Hindu recently did - believing that he could fly, those who change their "gender" - are essentially doing the same to themselves and indulging in this is a sick thing, and there is no definitive answer as to whether a human being can be reborn as a different gender.

It's been said many times here that we reincarnate as the same race gender and species throughout each lifetime and the same goes for even animals. The body is the manifestation of the soul meaning the frequencies our energies consist of make the blueprints of what manifests in the physical when we are born. None of these frequencies that determine any of the above will change.

 

[Night Sky]

No gender won't change.

 

[Meow!]

I know people go thru a lot to "change their gender" but there is still things about their body that in the end would show gender that can't be changed -some can but either the surgeries don't exist yet or are dangerous. Some bone things can be changed but by doing that you are not only mutilating your body at it's structure but leaving evidence behind that your changing things- some parts can't be changed. Plus you also still have your DNA which when pulled from the bone marrow or tooth pulp will tell your gender and that can't be changed.
I understand wanting to feel better in your own body but some things only make that worse.
I don't know personally why some people feel like they are in a different body though with it being such an issues and something seen in other cultures across different times. There are surely some reasons for it. So I hope that those people find safe ways to feel better about themselves.


Hail Father Zeus

 

[Recycler1337]

There is a big assumption here, and it is that most souls would be devoured by hostile forces, which, to my understanding, is borne of members' fears aboutthe afterlife, not based on logic. If there are sermons explicitly stating this, can you link them? We should not forget that the four crowns rule supreme of the cosmos, which means that they are ultimately responsible for each individual according to the merits of each individual. And also, what are Greys? They do not possess power over these forces; they are tools of higher powers, be it their masters, which are ultimately ruled by even higher forces.

This is like saying that your soul is not a definitive thing when in reality it very much is.

Okay, what about hermaphradites? They really exist and are born with fully functional, healthy characteristics of both sexes. I watched the show, and I can't vouch for its 100% accuracy, but it was fairly scientifically neutral and filmed before all the LGBT hype. I also heard from real-life acquaintances (it wasn't a joke)—so what's wrong with these people's souls? Are they also both male and female? These people are also castrated in childhood, without their consent, by decision of their parents and doctors, to prevent future social problems.

 

[Recycler1337]

It's been said many times here that we reincarnate as the same race gender and species throughout each lifetime and the same goes for even animals. The body is the manifestation of the soul meaning the frequencies our energies consist of make the blueprints of what manifests in the physical when we are born. None of these frequencies that determine any of the above will change.

No, don't think I'm asserting anything; I'm just generally skeptical. I absolutely love the idea that I'll always be born a white, handsome, and healthy male—it's literally the greatest stroke of luck one can have in the universe's lottery. But I think these are just words, just faith—there's no direct evidence for this. Personally, I can't remember my past life. I tried using a pendulum and had some generally logical results, but I can't 100% confirm their authenticity. If one of the meditating members could prove they remembered their past reincarnation, I think ToZ would easily have amassed a billion members in a couple of months, as that would be a colossal scientific discovery.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

Many will now say that this is all just a historical allegory to connect with their dual side of the soul, but let's be honest and think logically. Why then did Zeus engage him in an argument, and how could he know the answer if he wasn't a woman in the physical sense? Okay, let's say through clairvoyance, but then why ask him about it if Zeus could have done it himself?

The human Souls are also "male" and "female" as well as the physical bodies. It's the same with most animals, this is simply how nature is and acts.

I think any kind and highly ethical person would like to become a woman and help people.

Women don't help people in different ways than men do or vice-versa. Anyone, male or female, can "help people".

 

[Henu the Great]

Okay, what about hermaphradites? They really exist and are born with fully functional, healthy characteristics of both sexes. I watched the show, and I can't vouch for its 100% accuracy, but it was fairly scientifically neutral and filmed before all the LGBT hype. I also heard from real-life acquaintances (it wasn't a joke)—so what's wrong with these people's souls? Are they also both male and female? These people are also castrated in childhood, without their consent, by decision of their parents and doctors, to prevent future social problems.

Unfortunately, genetic freaks occur, and the reason does not have to be that they are both male and female at the same time, but that something along the way went awry. The specific reasons, I can only speculate, but the roots are spiritual, as they are with everything else.

 

[sonnenscent]

Here we go again, sometimes you guys sound really aggressive when you talk about gender transitions. Whenever this topic comes up here or elsewhere, people always talk nonsense. I never see Zevism clergy giving these opinions, as if these people were sick, I would really like to sit down with you and discuss these issues.
You have brothers and sisters who are trans and are following the same path. The Gods do not ignore us or diminish us...
We have to use science to discuss these matters not common sense.

 

[sonnenscent]

I'm not specifically talking about gender reassignment during reincarnation—as far as I know, there have been no official responses from priests on this topic, and it wasn't discussed in sermons. I was referring to the question of the afterlife, the question of reincarnation—let's say, initially, most souls were devoured by the Grays, the Collectors. Satan saved those who were loyal to him and provided refuge in Hell, where we could await the next incarnation in comfort and well-being and gradually become gods. Now we have four dimensions, increasingly leaning toward Greek beliefs about the afterlife, in a little more detail and with additions from other religions. This is a rather significant shift in ideas about the afterlife, in my opinion. Regarding your lot in this life - your position was given to you for a reason, if you were born a man - then you must live your life as a man, this does not prohibit you from various fetishes or strange sexual practices - but a change of gender is impossible and this is equivalent to the fact that you were born a man, without wings, you cannot fly - you should not jump from a mountain as some Hindu recently did - believing that he could fly, those who change their "gender" - are essentially doing the same to themselves and indulging in this is a sick thing, and there is no definitive answer as to whether a human being can be reborn as a different gender.

Yes, and what's the problem if a person decides to live and perform with a different gender identity? That's not a fetish. You guys are mixing everything up.

 

[Recycler1337]

Yes, and what's the problem if a person decides to live and perform with a different gender identity? That's not a fetish. You guys are mixing everything up.

The problem is that gender can't be changed.There's sexual orientation, there's gender. There are fetishes.My personal opinion is that recently, all of this has been lumped together and elevated to an absolute, to the point of absurdity.For example, if we lived in a world where biokinesis were possible—that's one thing.If we lived in the year 3050 and it were POSSIBLE to change gender completely and functionally—that's another.We live in a world and a time when even a man who looks completely like a woman, or vice versa, remains functionally the same, which is a lie both to oneself and to society.These are sexual preferences, fetishes. It's not forbidden, but disfiguring yourself with surgery and hormones is not recommended. Changing gender is impossible. That's the truth.

 

[sonnenscent]

The problem is that gender can't be changed.There's sexual orientation, there's gender. There are fetishes.My personal opinion is that recently, all of this has been lumped together and elevated to an absolute, to the point of absurdity.For example, if we lived in a world where biokinesis were possible—that's one thing.If we lived in the year 3050 and it were POSSIBLE to change gender completely and functionally—that's another.We live in a world and a time when even a man who looks completely like a woman, or vice versa, remains functionally the same, which is a lie both to oneself and to society.These are sexual preferences, fetishes. It's not forbidden, but disfiguring yourself with surgery and hormones is not recommended. Changing gender is impossible. That's the truth.

You're saying that it's your personal opinion, which says a lot that it's something that shouldn't be taken as absolute truth, then there's something else, it's not a fetish, at least cite science.

@Emergent13 speaks on behalf of all zevists, at least @Recycler1337 admit that it's your own opinion.

I will never allow anyone to call me mentally ill and disrespect me, because you continue to say the same thing about my statement confirming that biological sex does not change. Sometimes I just observe many of you and many of the things you say.

I like this debate just to you understand that I'm enjoying the conversation.

We don't have to be in accord in everything.

 

[Emergent13]

*century

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

We have to use science to discuss these matters not common sense.

We're not supposed to use common sense?

This statement is exactly how the enemy has pushed their agenda. They write articles and books that go very left-brained intellectualized, which convince people. There's a saying, "logic is like a lawyer, it can argue both sides". There is "scientific proof" for many things, including why yoga is harmful, as just one example. Debate teams have proved that nearly everything can be debated in favor of the opposing sides.

This is also how minds are ruined, 1984 comes to mind with the counting, to break Winston's mind. The mind can be broken through twisted logic, and we see this in society. We need to guard our minds. Meditation and connection to our Gods is imperative.

Speaking of sayings, here's one someone I know always says: "Common sense is no longer common".

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

We're not supposed to use common sense?

This statement is exactly how the enemy has pushed their agenda. They write articles and books that go very left-brained intellectualized, which convince people. There's a saying, "logic is like a lawyer, it can argue both sides". There is "scientific proof" for many things, including why yoga is harmful, as just one example. Debate teams have proved that nearly everything can be debated in favor of the opposing sides.

This is also how minds are ruined, 1984 comes to mind with the counting, to break Winston's mind. The mind can be broken through twisted logic, and we see this in society. We need to guard our minds. Meditation and connection to our Gods is imperative.

Speaking of sayings, here's one someone I know always says: "Common sense is no longer common".

Recently I did research to understand and classify the difference between Traditional Chinese Medicine and Western Medicine. ChatGPT explained the term "epistemology", which is how a system decides what counts as valid knowledge in the first place. I think you are sensing this difference here and I had also felt frustrated by this before, too.

In TCM, the doctors use their intuition and senses to judge the patient, they do not use methods of analysis like lab blood work, which can be over-complicating and potentially steer away from the right conclusion. In other words, one can use their eyes to see that an apple is red; using laboratory methods to prove this would be overkill.

I view the problem you describe with "logic can argue both sides" as like a person walking in the wrong direction of a maze. They may have used some form of logic to decide to go left or right at each step, but they are still missing the overall conclusion, because their larger framework, like intuition or higher judgement, is not functioning correctly.

Please see some of these concept breakdowns to see more of what I mean:

 

[Hierothronos]

Science comes from Latin "Scientia"
and it means knowledge.

Knowledge without Wisdom and Truth is a curse.

Virtue B - Pursuit of Knowledge

 

[sonnenscent]

Until now, I have stated that I was born male but chose to assume a feminine identity. In my case, this inclination manifested itself from childhood, although at the time I did not fully comprehend what was occurring within me. I do not intend, however, to dwell extensively on this biographical dimension.
I acknowledge that I was born male, and I do not deny this fact. It is a biological datum. Nevertheless, it is worth recalling that we also belong to the biological genus Homo sapiens—a taxonomic classification designating our species. Biology describes categories; it does not exhaust the totality of subjective experience, nor does it, by itself, determine how each individual understands their own identity.
I do not participate in this community almost daily by mere chance. I read its teachings because I identify with them and because I believe in the Gods. Throughout my life, I have persistently questioned the meaning of my own existence. If anything expressed here appears to conflict with the construction of my identity, I do not regard it as an affront, but as a legitimate occasion for debate. What I value is dialogue.
However, when, at the outset of a conversation, it is asserted that all science is manipulated solely by yehuborim, meaningful debate becomes impossible. Such a premise forecloses discussion before it can even begin, shifting the matter from the realm of rational inquiry to that of absolute suspicion.
I am not here to indoctrinate anyone. Like the others, I seek spiritual growth. And I state sincerely: if one day science—or even my own reflection—persuades me that my self-understanding is illusory, I will revise my position. I do not cling to it out of obstinacy, but out of provisional conviction.
What prompted me to speak openly was, above all, the discomfort I feel when discussions concerning “trans” individuals repeatedly associate them with abusers, pedophiles, and other moral degradations. I do not recognize myself in such imputations. They are not only morally grave, but they reduce complex individuals to demeaning stereotypes.
If it were possible to describe myself by a term other than “trans,” I might even prefer it—not out of shame, but out of a desire to distance myself from labels burdened with political disputes and collective accusations. I do not belong to any “cabal,” nor do I consider myself mentally ill. I write these words calmly, within my home, during a period of leave from work, reflecting honestly upon my life.
I genuinely appreciated your comment because it was not inflammatory; it was didactic and respectful, and I can clearly perceive your point of view.
As I attempted to explain, I have lost more than I have gained by identifying as a woman and adopting a different appearance. I am aware of the potential adverse effects of hormones upon bone health and other physiological aspects. I strive to be fair and measured in what I affirm, without denying the risks involved.
I do not participate in LGBTQ parades or political movements. I do not even have friends who share my condition; I lead a solitary and ordinary life. Certain opinions circulating publicly sometimes make me fear dying as a victim of hatred, when all I desire is to live in peace. As for the controversies regarding bathrooms, so frequently debated online and in the media, I remain largely detached. I avoid such situations whenever possible. I have never suffered any direct incident, and in most cases I am not socially perceived as male, so I do not experience what many other trans individuals report.
The High Priestess Lydia stated that the trans community is my “community.” On this point, however, I believe there is a misunderstanding: my existence is not reducible to collective affiliations. It is, above all, autonomous.
I find this debate genuinely interesting. Please feel free to speak with me.