The Gods #80346 If it is impossible to change one's gender, is it possible to be born a woman through divine power?

[Ask Satya Operator]

Many will now say that this is all just a historical allegory to connect with their dual side of the soul, but let's be honest and think logically. Why then did Zeus engage him in an argument, and how could he know the answer if he wasn't a woman in the physical sense? Okay, let's say through clairvoyance, but then why ask him about it if Zeus could have done it himself? I think any kind and highly ethical person would like to become a woman and help people.

 

[Darkspirit]

Hello, you already answered your question in the beginning. And no, you don't have to be a woman to have good ethics and to help people men do it too, you just need to focus on the right people.

 

[Nikólaos666]

You want to think logically about a subject that you can't even understand? There is no ''science'' of the soul in modern science, you need to become an initiate to learn from it. Like Zeus did, as you will progress you will understand how it works. No Zeus never was a woman, nor any men will be one. And any women will become a man.

Meditate and work to develop your feminine brain.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I think any kind and highly ethical person would like to become a woman and help people.

Both the “men are evil” and “women are evil” ideas come from mentally ill misanthropic jews.

You need to let go of this nonsense. There’s nothing more pathetic than a self-hating man/woman. Today, because of jews who were in the past behind the misogyny of the abrahamic religion and were also behind the current misandry of marxist feminism, it’s usually men who hate their masculinity and want to repress it.

The misanthropic essence remained the same but now the other half is being more attacked.

So please do let go of this unnatural, jewish anti-male hate. Yes there are plenty of shit men out there and in history, but there are also plenty of shit women too, don’t act like only women can be ethical and can’t be evil and destructive.

 

[Supermario70]

I think any kind and highly ethical person would like to become a woman and help people.

You can help people regardless who you are, gender/sex doesn't make any difference. Every person can access both his male and female sides at will because both are in him. Only men who are suffering from the autogynephilia disorder want to physically become women. Just be honest with yourself.

Why then did Zeus engage him in an argument, and how could he know the answer if he wasn't a woman in the physical sense?

Who did Zeus engage in an argument with? Is it about some allegorical myth that you obviously didn't understand?

And yes, normies misunderstand many myths which are allegories. You have to be well-read on esoteric subjects to understand them. Just like xians telling Asatru Pagans that Loki is "trans".

Androgyny was always allegorical in all mythologies, they meant to represent balanced male and female sides, just like gods with animal heads were not literal half-animals but had somewhat of the characteristics of that animal like the strength of the lion if that God had a lion's head for example. And certainly no myth mentions any god cutting off his penis because he thought he was a woman. If he did that he wouldn't be a god but a mentally ill and unbalanced man.

 

[Shadowcat]

As others have said this post delusionally idealizes women as mortal women are far from perfect and can inflict severe abuse and damage to people even if it isn't most of the time violent or physical. Yes we all have both polarities within. Sometimes the opposite polarity is more dominant, this is seen in a minority of people, but it does not change that you are always the same sex throughout all lifetimes.

 

[Recycler1337]

Let's be honest – I don't know, 99% of people here don't. 99.9% of everyone anywhere doesn't.There are numerous studies on reincarnation, but they lack official evidence, and many of them are quackery.JoS/ToZ's position on this issue has changed over time; research is ongoing, and there's no definitive, 100% answer. Many here are simply expressing their opinions and desires.Regarding gender reassignment, it's not possible in the current reality – all gender reassignment surgeries and hormonal drugs will simply castrate you; you won't become a woman. If you simply have fetishes, that's one thing. Embrace them and enjoy them, knowing your limits – harming your health isn't worth it.

 

[Henu the Great]

Let's be honest – I don't know, 99% of people here don't. 99.9% of everyone anywhere doesn't.There are numerous studies on reincarnation, but they lack official evidence, and many of them are quackery.JoS/ToZ's position on this issue has changed over time; research is ongoing, and there's no definitive, 100% answer. Many here are simply expressing their opinions and desires.Regarding gender reassignment, it's not possible in the current reality – all gender reassignment surgeries and hormonal drugs will simply castrate you; you won't become a woman. If you simply have fetishes, that's one thing. Embrace them and enjoy them, knowing your limits – harming your health isn't worth it.

The body is a denser manifestation of the soul. So no, it is not possible to alter one's sex without altering the very essence of oneself. And by doing so, one would not be the same, but a different being altogether.

Can you show examples where the stance of ToZ has changed over time about this subject?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

The body is a denser manifestation of the soul. So no, it is not possible to alter one's sex without altering the very essence of oneself. And by doing so, one would not be the same, but a different being altogether.

Can you show examples where the stance of ToZ has changed over time about this subject?

I don’t think it’s about transgenderism, but it was said in Sumerian writings that Inana had the power to turn men into women and women into men.

Could this be a symbolic meaning of Astarte balancing the masculine/feminine energies in men and women who are too masculine/feminine?

 

[Henu the Great]

I don’t think it’s about transgenderism, but it was said in Sumerian writings that Inana had the power to turn men into women and women into men.

Could this be a symbolic meaning of Astarte balancing the masculine/feminine energies in men and women who are too masculine/feminine?

I am not an expert, but it very well could be. It surely does not mean it in the literal sense, as with mythology in general.

 

[Darkspirit]

JoS/ToZ's position on this issue has changed over time;

I remember some writings from the past about this topic, and the position of ToZ is the same as now.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

I don’t think it’s about transgenderism, but it was said in Sumerian writings that Inana had the power to turn men into women and women into men.

Could this be a symbolic meaning of Astarte balancing the masculine/feminine energies in men and women who are too masculine/feminine?

The situation with Sumerian, Babylonian, or other very old writings is that they are mostly written in symbolic descriptions and not 100% physically literal. And at the same time, they have been translated repeatedly over time by people who at best did not really understand what was actually being said, or at worst they didn't care to get it right or even purposefully twist things to try to fit a jew or christian idea.

It could be that something sort of like that was said, but it is meant to be understood in a symbolic and spiritual way and is actually talking about various energy currents and forces within all people's souls. Or it might have been invented by some jew somewhere who was trying to confuse people and intends it to be thought of literally/materially as a confusing thing. Either way, it is easy to see what was clearly not written or clearly not intended, which is the jewish idea of transgenderism which was invented and created entirely by jewish pedophile child rapists like Jonathan Money.

 

[Recycler1337]

I remember some writings from the past about this topic, and the position of ToZ is the same as now.

I once asked a question: at what age do you exist in the afterlife? The one in which you died (obviously, it's better to die young than a frail old man) or in your prime, or what? The answers varied widely, and no one gave me a clear answer. Personally, I liked the answer that said the soul can take any form it desires in the subtle world.

 

[Recycler1337]

The body is a denser manifestation of the soul. So no, it is not possible to alter one's sex without altering the very essence of oneself. And by doing so, one would not be the same, but a different being altogether.

Can you show examples where the stance of ToZ has changed over time about this subject?

I'm not specifically talking about gender reassignment during reincarnation—as far as I know, there have been no official responses from priests on this topic, and it wasn't discussed in sermons. I was referring to the question of the afterlife, the question of reincarnation—let's say, initially, most souls were devoured by the Grays, the Collectors. Satan saved those who were loyal to him and provided refuge in Hell, where we could await the next incarnation in comfort and well-being and gradually become gods. Now we have four dimensions, increasingly leaning toward Greek beliefs about the afterlife, in a little more detail and with additions from other religions. This is a rather significant shift in ideas about the afterlife, in my opinion. Regarding your lot in this life - your position was given to you for a reason, if you were born a man - then you must live your life as a man, this does not prohibit you from various fetishes or strange sexual practices - but a change of gender is impossible and this is equivalent to the fact that you were born a man, without wings, you cannot fly - you should not jump from a mountain as some Hindu recently did - believing that he could fly, those who change their "gender" - are essentially doing the same to themselves and indulging in this is a sick thing, and there is no definitive answer as to whether a human being can be reborn as a different gender.

 

[Henu the Great]

I'm not specifically talking about gender reassignment during reincarnation—as far as I know, there have been no official responses from priests on this topic, and it wasn't discussed in sermons. I was referring to the question of the afterlife, the question of reincarnation—let's say, initially, most souls were devoured by the Grays, the Collectors. Satan saved those who were loyal to him and provided refuge in Hell, where we could await the next incarnation in comfort and well-being and gradually become gods.

There is a big assumption here, and it is that most souls would be devoured by hostile forces, which, to my understanding, is borne of members' fears aboutthe afterlife, not based on logic. If there are sermons explicitly stating this, can you link them? We should not forget that the four crowns rule supreme of the cosmos, which means that they are ultimately responsible for each individual according to the merits of each individual. And also, what are Greys? They do not possess power over these forces; they are tools of higher powers, be it their masters, which are ultimately ruled by even higher forces.

and there is no definitive answer as to whether a human being can be reborn as a different gender.

This is like saying that your soul is not a definitive thing when in reality it very much is.

 

[Shadowcat]

I'm not specifically talking about gender reassignment during reincarnation—as far as I know, there have been no official responses from priests on this topic, and it wasn't discussed in sermons. I was referring to the question of the afterlife, the question of reincarnation—let's say, initially, most souls were devoured by the Grays, the Collectors. Satan saved those who were loyal to him and provided refuge in Hell, where we could await the next incarnation in comfort and well-being and gradually become gods. Now we have four dimensions, increasingly leaning toward Greek beliefs about the afterlife, in a little more detail and with additions from other religions. This is a rather significant shift in ideas about the afterlife, in my opinion. Regarding your lot in this life - your position was given to you for a reason, if you were born a man - then you must live your life as a man, this does not prohibit you from various fetishes or strange sexual practices - but a change of gender is impossible and this is equivalent to the fact that you were born a man, without wings, you cannot fly - you should not jump from a mountain as some Hindu recently did - believing that he could fly, those who change their "gender" - are essentially doing the same to themselves and indulging in this is a sick thing, and there is no definitive answer as to whether a human being can be reborn as a different gender.

It's been said many times here that we reincarnate as the same race gender and species throughout each lifetime and the same goes for even animals. The body is the manifestation of the soul meaning the frequencies our energies consist of make the blueprints of what manifests in the physical when we are born. None of these frequencies that determine any of the above will change.

 

[Night Sky]

No gender won't change.

 

[Meow!]

I know people go thru a lot to "change their gender" but there is still things about their body that in the end would show gender that can't be changed -some can but either the surgeries don't exist yet or are dangerous. Some bone things can be changed but by doing that you are not only mutilating your body at it's structure but leaving evidence behind that your changing things- some parts can't be changed. Plus you also still have your DNA which when pulled from the bone marrow or tooth pulp will tell your gender and that can't be changed.
I understand wanting to feel better in your own body but some things only make that worse.
I don't know personally why some people feel like they are in a different body though with it being such an issues and something seen in other cultures across different times. There are surely some reasons for it. So I hope that those people find safe ways to feel better about themselves.


Hail Father Zeus

 

[Recycler1337]

There is a big assumption here, and it is that most souls would be devoured by hostile forces, which, to my understanding, is borne of members' fears aboutthe afterlife, not based on logic. If there are sermons explicitly stating this, can you link them? We should not forget that the four crowns rule supreme of the cosmos, which means that they are ultimately responsible for each individual according to the merits of each individual. And also, what are Greys? They do not possess power over these forces; they are tools of higher powers, be it their masters, which are ultimately ruled by even higher forces.

This is like saying that your soul is not a definitive thing when in reality it very much is.

Okay, what about hermaphradites? They really exist and are born with fully functional, healthy characteristics of both sexes. I watched the show, and I can't vouch for its 100% accuracy, but it was fairly scientifically neutral and filmed before all the LGBT hype. I also heard from real-life acquaintances (it wasn't a joke)—so what's wrong with these people's souls? Are they also both male and female? These people are also castrated in childhood, without their consent, by decision of their parents and doctors, to prevent future social problems.

 

[Recycler1337]

It's been said many times here that we reincarnate as the same race gender and species throughout each lifetime and the same goes for even animals. The body is the manifestation of the soul meaning the frequencies our energies consist of make the blueprints of what manifests in the physical when we are born. None of these frequencies that determine any of the above will change.

No, don't think I'm asserting anything; I'm just generally skeptical. I absolutely love the idea that I'll always be born a white, handsome, and healthy male—it's literally the greatest stroke of luck one can have in the universe's lottery. But I think these are just words, just faith—there's no direct evidence for this. Personally, I can't remember my past life. I tried using a pendulum and had some generally logical results, but I can't 100% confirm their authenticity. If one of the meditating members could prove they remembered their past reincarnation, I think ToZ would easily have amassed a billion members in a couple of months, as that would be a colossal scientific discovery.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

Many will now say that this is all just a historical allegory to connect with their dual side of the soul, but let's be honest and think logically. Why then did Zeus engage him in an argument, and how could he know the answer if he wasn't a woman in the physical sense? Okay, let's say through clairvoyance, but then why ask him about it if Zeus could have done it himself?

The human Souls are also "male" and "female" as well as the physical bodies. It's the same with most animals, this is simply how nature is and acts.

I think any kind and highly ethical person would like to become a woman and help people.

Women don't help people in different ways than men do or vice-versa. Anyone, male or female, can "help people".

 

[Henu the Great]

Okay, what about hermaphradites? They really exist and are born with fully functional, healthy characteristics of both sexes. I watched the show, and I can't vouch for its 100% accuracy, but it was fairly scientifically neutral and filmed before all the LGBT hype. I also heard from real-life acquaintances (it wasn't a joke)—so what's wrong with these people's souls? Are they also both male and female? These people are also castrated in childhood, without their consent, by decision of their parents and doctors, to prevent future social problems.

Unfortunately, genetic freaks occur, and the reason does not have to be that they are both male and female at the same time, but that something along the way went awry. The specific reasons, I can only speculate, but the roots are spiritual, as they are with everything else.

 

[Schwarze Sonne Warrior]

Here we go again, sometimes you guys sound really aggressive when you talk about gender transitions. Whenever this topic comes up here or elsewhere, people always talk nonsense. I never see Zevism clergy giving these opinions, as if these people were sick, I would really like to sit down with you and discuss these issues.
You have brothers and sisters who are trans and are following the same path. The Gods do not ignore us or diminish us...
We have to use science to discuss these matters not common sense.

 

[Schwarze Sonne Warrior]

I'm not specifically talking about gender reassignment during reincarnation—as far as I know, there have been no official responses from priests on this topic, and it wasn't discussed in sermons. I was referring to the question of the afterlife, the question of reincarnation—let's say, initially, most souls were devoured by the Grays, the Collectors. Satan saved those who were loyal to him and provided refuge in Hell, where we could await the next incarnation in comfort and well-being and gradually become gods. Now we have four dimensions, increasingly leaning toward Greek beliefs about the afterlife, in a little more detail and with additions from other religions. This is a rather significant shift in ideas about the afterlife, in my opinion. Regarding your lot in this life - your position was given to you for a reason, if you were born a man - then you must live your life as a man, this does not prohibit you from various fetishes or strange sexual practices - but a change of gender is impossible and this is equivalent to the fact that you were born a man, without wings, you cannot fly - you should not jump from a mountain as some Hindu recently did - believing that he could fly, those who change their "gender" - are essentially doing the same to themselves and indulging in this is a sick thing, and there is no definitive answer as to whether a human being can be reborn as a different gender.

Yes, and what's the problem if a person decides to live and perform with a different gender identity? That's not a fetish. You guys are mixing everything up.

 

[Shadowcat]

Yes, and what's the problem if a person decides to live and perform with a different gender identity? That's not a fetish. You guys are mixing everything up.

High Priestess Lydia recently and a whole bunch of other members here in the past have described transgenderism as a mental illness it also has very Jewish origins. Give me one good reason someone has made a decision to transition and I guarantee you that I would be able to mercilessly rebuttal it.

 

[Emergent13]

You have brothers and sisters who are trans and are following the same path.

There are also people who have had already racemixed and are Zevists. Does that change our beliefs on that topic?

Yes, and what's the problem if a person decides to live and perform with a different gender identity?

We don't entertain mental illness here. If you are born a man, you are a man, through all lifetimes.

You can be a man with more feminine traits; you are still a man.
You can be a woman with more masculine traits, you are still a woman.

There is no such thing as Trans people. So when you say we got brothers and sisters here that ascribe themselves to this mental illness, we would warn them and give them advice on how to clear their soul, none of us here would accept the label "trans."

 

[Schwarze Sonne Warrior]

High Priestess Lydia recently and a whole bunch of other members here in the past have described transgenderism as a mental illness it also has very Jewish origins. Give me one good reason someone has made a decision to transition and I guarantee you that I would be able to mercilessly rebuttal it.

Very well, where are these statements by the member of the clergy of Zevism? Could you please post them here or indicate where I may consult them?
In any case, we can disagree respectfully.
There is another point I have observed: people almost always speak about trans women, but rarely about trans men. In biological terms, between black and white there are many shades of gray, and the biology of the physical world is important, as is spirituality. However, we cannot simply claim that everything is the work of the “Jewish enemy,” because if that is the case, it becomes very easy to deny the existence of other people and the way they choose to live.
Regarding children, I hope the matter is not reduced to a single topic used merely to evoke a kind of hatred against trans people.
I was born biologically male, and eight years ago I decided to present myself socially as a woman. I am aware that I am biologically male, and in chromosomal terms one would only know whether I am XX, XY, or another karyotype through a specific test. I will say this as well: for obvious safety reasons I cannot reveal myself, but physically you would not distinguish me from a European Caucasian woman. Even before, when I identified as male, I was androgynous, with fine features and a feminine face, and hormone treatment intensified these traits. I am conscious that, in terms of physical appearance, I possess the beauty and social perception of a woman, which gives me the confidence to live and conduct my life accordingly.

To be honest, there have only been losses, because I had to move to another city and go through all those things that I do not need to explain to people.
I only ask that you understand that my enemy is the same; I am part of the same spiritual lineage, and yet the goddess Hera led me to follow the teachings of Satanism, which here today is called Zevism. I merely ask for a respectful debate and for you to understand that I, for example, am entirely against the abuse of children in all its forms, and that anything which violates human ethics or contributes to the destruction of Zeus’s creation should itself be destroyed. Nevertheless, regardless of identifying as a woman and wishing to be respected as such, despite having been born male, the Gods do not spit on me, nor do they stone me.
To conclude my response, sometimes certain things we say can make other people’s lives more difficult. Even the Jews themselves hate trans people and gays; they merely seek to manipulate and lead us down tortuous paths. I also want you to understand that I am not a potential abuser, nor do I believe it is possible to change the fact that I was born male. However, it is possible for me to be respected, for in this matter only the Gods can judge me, and only they will know what to do with me thereafter.
In any case, my swords are sharpened, and I will offer my body as a shield to protect Zevism, regardless of anything.
I used anecdotal experiences to illustrate my case, but in these debates I prefer to remain neutral and rely less on emotion.
We are in the Age of Aquarius, and the debate must be clear and free from aggression (I am not saying that anyone has been aggressive at any point), but we need to cite references and explain why we hold our opinions, or whether they stem merely from pure prejudice and political agendas.

With my best regards.

 

[Recycler1337]

Yes, and what's the problem if a person decides to live and perform with a different gender identity? That's not a fetish. You guys are mixing everything up.

The problem is that gender can't be changed.There's sexual orientation, there's gender. There are fetishes.My personal opinion is that recently, all of this has been lumped together and elevated to an absolute, to the point of absurdity.For example, if we lived in a world where biokinesis were possible—that's one thing.If we lived in the year 3050 and it were POSSIBLE to change gender completely and functionally—that's another.We live in a world and a time when even a man who looks completely like a woman, or vice versa, remains functionally the same, which is a lie both to oneself and to society.These are sexual preferences, fetishes. It's not forbidden, but disfiguring yourself with surgery and hormones is not recommended. Changing gender is impossible. That's the truth.

 

[Schwarze Sonne Warrior]

The problem is that gender can't be changed.There's sexual orientation, there's gender. There are fetishes.My personal opinion is that recently, all of this has been lumped together and elevated to an absolute, to the point of absurdity.For example, if we lived in a world where biokinesis were possible—that's one thing.If we lived in the year 3050 and it were POSSIBLE to change gender completely and functionally—that's another.We live in a world and a time when even a man who looks completely like a woman, or vice versa, remains functionally the same, which is a lie both to oneself and to society.These are sexual preferences, fetishes. It's not forbidden, but disfiguring yourself with surgery and hormones is not recommended. Changing gender is impossible. That's the truth.

You're saying that it's your personal opinion, which says a lot that it's something that shouldn't be taken as absolute truth, then there's something else, it's not a fetish, at least cite science.

@Emergent13 speaks on behalf of all zevists, at least @Recycler1337 admit that it's your own opinion.

I will never allow anyone to call me mentally ill and disrespect me, because you continue to say the same thing about my statement confirming that biological sex does not change. Sometimes I just observe many of you and many of the things you say.

I like this debate just to you understand that I'm enjoying the conversation.

We don't have to be in accord in everything.

 

[Emergent13]

To conclude my response, sometimes certain things we say can make other people’s lives more difficult.

If you were convinced that you being identifying as something you are not is totally fine, your feelings wouldn't get hurt by arguments, you would simply laugh at them. Deep down, you know that this is mental illness.

Beauty is synonymous with health, and what is natural. Now, how are you going to convince us that you are biochemically and mentally healthy when you have injected man-made hormones that are made in a lab to your body?

You might be the sanest "trans person" on the earth, the most normal among all, it really doesn't mean anything other than that this shows you can redeem yourself fairly easily than others, and you have hope.

Sorry, we cannot cater to everyone's feelings. If we gave up on our beliefs and create exceptions for few individuals who claim they are the sanest and most normal among their respective groups, which we deem unsuitable for this place, we would only reduce this place to the bits. But we aim much, much higher than that.

Tomorrow, some communist will come and demand acceptance. Next day, an anarchist and a drug addict. Other day, a racemixer who somehow believed that someone of another race is his soul mate or something, all while claiming that they are not like all the others.

the Gods do not spit on me, nor do they stone me.

Our Gods don't punish us unless we commit a grave 'sin'. If a Zevist somehow got punished by the Gods, it would be very well deserved. This doesn't mean they welcome or tolerate the mistakes we do. We make mistakes, sometimes too far gone mistakes, that they might facepalm themselves, but they aren't going to punish you for your mistakes because they want you to heal. They are waiting for you to pick up the torch and walk the Path.

However, it is possible for me to be respected, for in this matter only the Gods can judge me, and only they will know what to do with me thereafter.

This is a very closed-minded approach. "I want a debate, but ultimately only the Gods can judge me." This also in a way signals that you are not willing to engage in a debate; you just state your points and leave everything to Gods judgement, but that's not how it works. You could wait half a decade; they're not going to smite you. You've made your choice, and if you insist on it, they'll just let you be. As long as you are not harming their image, and you don't commit a heinous crime that could harm society, you are free to do whatever you want with your life.

This sermon is very relevant to what you wrote here. Much recommended.

"There Are No Mediators In Zevism" =/= "Only God Can Judge Me"

The no mediators line is that we will not interfere in decrees or opinions of Zeus, that is between Zeus and individuals, for example. No mediators simply means that, we do not "mediate". Mediate is something very specific. Help, assist, inform, share knowledge, fact check, or whatever, is not...

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Good luck with your endeavors.

 

[Emergent13]

*century

 

[High Priestess Lydia]

We have to use science to discuss these matters not common sense.

We're not supposed to use common sense?

This statement is exactly how the enemy has pushed their agenda. They write articles and books that go very left-brained intellectualized, which convince people. There's a saying, "logic is like a lawyer, it can argue both sides". There is "scientific proof" for many things, including why yoga is harmful, as just one example. Debate teams have proved that nearly everything can be debated in favor of the opposing sides.

This is also how minds are ruined, 1984 comes to mind with the counting, to break Winston's mind. The mind can be broken through twisted logic, and we see this in society. We need to guard our minds. Meditation and connection to our Gods is imperative.

Speaking of sayings, here's one someone I know always says: "Common sense is no longer common".

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

We have to use science to discuss these matters not common sense.

A consensus among scientists who would be fired and have their careers and reputation ruined if they said otherwise is not "science".

The trans position doesn't make sense. It admits biological sex is real and can't be changed but gender can be changed. What is "gender"? Is it an identity, an activity? The terms are flexibly bent and used all over the place to mean anything, which is in line with the jewish postmodernist view that reality is subjective which includes terms and definitions. Anything can mean anything now.

There's no such thing as gender. There's only sex. In the past the two were used interchangebly to mean the same thing. Men and women acting slightly differently in various cultures (they're not that different actually) doesn't prove sex is fluid.

Humans can convince themselves of all sorts of delusions. Some think they're a reincarnation of napoleon or some other famous figure, others think they're "starseeds", and so on. Men/women thinking they're in the "wrong body" (I thought gender had nothing to do with sex, here we go again with the term waffling) doesn't mean they are, anymore than someone thinking they're God, an alien, or whatever they feel they "really" are inside.

"Men" and "women" stop meaning anything once you go beyond sex because it becomes a "feeling" which is bullshit. That's the point though of the enemy agenda. They want to turn us all into sexless grey automatons with no genitals and the trans bullshit is a stepping stone to that. The end goal is to erase men and women entirely and turns humans into androgynous grey abominations. Stop supporting that nonsense.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

The word "gender" was invented by the pedophile rapist jew Jonathan Money. He was an insane jew rapist criminal "psychologist" similar to sigmond fraud. The story is that a circumcision was done wrong, where a boy's penis was mostly cut off. And the boy also had a twin brother who was fine. The pedophile jew used this as a way to test its insane ideas by having the "perfect" test subjects, two identical twin boys to see what is from nature and what is from nurture, as they are genetically identical so nature is the same, and they are in the same family so even nurture is the same other than the specific things that they are purposefully doing different.

Jonathan Money said if his penis was cut off as a baby, they should just pretend that he is a girl and tell him that he is a girl for his whole life. So Jonathan Money would work with these young children for their whole childhoods, working with them a few times per month or even every week, I don't remember exactly how often. And what his "work" actually was is that he would rape both of these children, and force these children to rape each other. Force the uninjured boy to rape the injured boy. And this would happen hundreds of times. With his "theory" that gender is different from physical sex and that gender could be changed, so by raping this boy in a similar way to how a sexual action would work for a girl, try to convince him that he was a girl. And for all of this, the boy never stopped saying the truth that he is a boy, he is not a girl, and everything in his life and his childhood is extremely wrong. Some how this result was a confirmation of this theory of "gender" by saying that the boy thinks his gender is male when his sex is female. Except the entire premise is a fraudulent hoax because his sex is male, his body is male, his DNA is male, his soul is male, and he has been male for as long as his soul has ever been existing. Having a body that has been gruesomely destroyed and disfigured does not change what the body actually is.

Finally as young adults, I believe that both of the boys killed themselves. At least the disfigured boy surely did kill himself, I do not remember for sure if the other brother also did but I think they both did.

This is where your "gender" word comes from. This is where your "gender theory" comes from. This is where the entirety of the fraudulent jewish pseudoscience of "gender" and "transgenderism" is all originating from. Absolutely pure subhuman jewish evil that no human could even imagine. This is what you are accepting, following, going along with, and treating as valid. This Jonathan Money who was one of the most evil people to ever exist, and you happily follow his lead and model your life after his "creation."


There is a reason why almost every major mass-shooter for the last several years have all been "transgender" because this is the word for people who are absolutely insane, absolutely full of self hatred enough to completely deny their entire existence and reality, and are entirely "at war" with the entire world and with reality itself because even the most basic simple things are not what they want it to be.

You are not a woman. You are a man who hates himself. You hated yourself enough to want to not exist anymore and instead want to be something else that is not yourself. You are living as a lie in the most fundamental ways, and are trying as hard as possible to pretend to be something that you are not and something that you could never be. All of the synthetic fake hormones that you are overdosing on has been destroying your endocrine system, destroying your mind, and destroying your body. Even for a man, too much testosterone is very dangerous and harmful. Even for a woman, too much estrogen is very dangerous and harmful. And especially if it is something that you are absolutely not supposed to have that amount of. There is enormous physical and mental harm and damage being done just from the hormones and other drugs. And of course even worse if the body has been physically destroyed by surgeries.

The boy who had his genitals surgically cut off as a child, and been drugged, tortured, brainwashed, and raped for his entire childhood. That is basically the absolute worst and most horrible thing that could ever possibly happen to anybody. I can not imagine anything worse. No wonder all of these "trans" people are so purely insane and why so many of them become things like mass shooters, because they have willingly and purposefully decided to emulate the life of Jonathan Money's victim and go through these same traumas that were done to him.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

The Gods do not ignore us or diminish us...

Of course the Gods would accept you and everyone, except yids. The Gods would also want us all to be mentally and physically healthy. The Clergy which are closest to the Gods telling someone that being obese for example is not good for them, doesn't mean the Gods reject obese people, but that they'd guide that person to stop being obese. The same logic is applied to trans people. Sadly this is all muddied by some crazies out there who want to harm trans people for political or religious(usually xian/muslim) reasons.

Zevism doesn't want to harm trans people, it wants to help them, for the same reasons it wants to obese people from removing delusions that being obese is fine.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

A consensus among scientists who would be fired and have their careers and reputation ruined if they said otherwise is not "science".

The trans position doesn't make sense. It admits biological sex is real and can't be changed but gender can be changed. What is "gender"? Is it an identity, an activity? The terms are flexibly bent and used all over the place to mean anything, which is in line with the jewish postmodernist view that reality is subjective which includes terms and definitions. Anything can mean anything now.

There's no such thing as gender. There's only sex. In the past the two were used interchangebly to mean the same thing. Men and women acting slightly differently in various cultures (they're not that different actually) doesn't prove sex is fluid.

Humans can convince themselves of all sorts of delusions. Some think they're a reincarnation of napoleon or some other famous figure, others think they're "starseeds", and so on. Men/women thinking they're in the "wrong body" (I thought gender had nothing to do with sex, here we go again with the term waffling) doesn't mean they are, anymore than someone thinking they're God, an alien, or whatever they feel they "really" are inside.

"Men" and "women" stop meaning anything once you go beyond sex because it becomes a "feeling" which is bullshit. That's the point though of the enemy agenda. They want to turn us all into sexless grey automatons with no genitals and the trans bullshit is a stepping stone to that. The end goal is to erase men and women entirely and turns humans into androgynous grey abominations. Stop supporting that nonsense.

Of course. Who could pretend that "science" is a thing that exists as if "science" is a premade prepackaged consensus that needs to be followed by slaves like "science" is the new name of the christian "god."

When almost all of modern "science" is fraudulent jewish hoaxes that are created and enforced from the top down, created and enforced by jewish world leaders who create all narratives and create all conclusions, and then work from the top down on enforcing all of these conclusions. Through hundreds of billions of dollars of research grant money that is directed and given by jewish world leaders, who designate what message the money is going toward and what the conclusion is already before the money is given. If you disagree, if you are open minded, if you would like to do actual investigation and actual discovery of knowledge and reality, then your application is denied and you do not get the money. If you are a fraudulent jewish money laundering scheme and you will automatically go out and say whatever your jewish owners tell you to in exchange for some bribe money, then you can get some funding. And all of the review boards and scientific journals are also mostly jewish owned, so even if somebody is able to do their own research and discovery and learn some things of reality that jews don't want us to know, then it surely will be buried and hidden that nobody hears about it.

Literally Jeffrey Epstein's operations targeted scientists as the largest group. Not just politicians, not just businessmen, but scientists were the highest number. Why do you need to blackmail and control all of the world's highest scientific leaders? Because "science" is the new name of god for the modern athiests, and they are still christian slaves but just have an updated name.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

We're not supposed to use common sense?

This statement is exactly how the enemy has pushed their agenda. They write articles and books that go very left-brained intellectualized, which convince people. There's a saying, "logic is like a lawyer, it can argue both sides". There is "scientific proof" for many things, including why yoga is harmful, as just one example. Debate teams have proved that nearly everything can be debated in favor of the opposing sides.

This is also how minds are ruined, 1984 comes to mind with the counting, to break Winston's mind. The mind can be broken through twisted logic, and we see this in society. We need to guard our minds. Meditation and connection to our Gods is imperative.

Speaking of sayings, here's one someone I know always says: "Common sense is no longer common".

Recently I did research to understand and classify the difference between Traditional Chinese Medicine and Western Medicine. ChatGPT explained the term "epistemology", which is how a system decides what counts as valid knowledge in the first place. I think you are sensing this difference here and I had also felt frustrated by this before, too.

In TCM, the doctors use their intuition and senses to judge the patient, they do not use methods of analysis like lab blood work, which can be over-complicating and potentially steer away from the right conclusion. In other words, one can use their eyes to see that an apple is red; using laboratory methods to prove this would be overkill.

I view the problem you describe with "logic can argue both sides" as like a person walking in the wrong direction of a maze. They may have used some form of logic to decide to go left or right at each step, but they are still missing the overall conclusion, because their larger framework, like intuition or higher judgement, is not functioning correctly.

Please see some of these concept breakdowns to see more of what I mean:

 

[BlackOnyx8 [SG]]

We have to use science to discuss these matters not common sense.

We should definitely use science to discuss this, but also common sense, because the belief in "gender identity" is strongly derived from a framework of functional illiteracy... Everything can be understood with basic common sense, if you take that out of the equation, you are left with abstract theories that may completely contradict observable reality and you lose the foundational baseline needed to define objective truth in the first place.

Common sense is not just some random "cultural bias" or something, it is the practical recognition of objective material reality...

The Hellenistic grammarians used originally "gender" to define classes and kinds, this was later used to classify people, but it wasn't until the 20th century, over 2000 years later that this term was used to create identities, which is a massive conceptual leap, this never began with any scientific discoveries or anything of that nature, it began with a subtle language change, later becoming institutionalized to be then transformed in a whole ontology.

If you believe that gender identity is more real than biological sex, then you are subverting the conceptual hierarchy. Gender depends on sex, not the other way around. "Male" and "female" only have meaning if they are connected to the original biological differentiation between the sexes.

If sex is removed as the grounding reference point, what exactly anchors the concepts of "male" and "female"? Without that foundation, what do those terms even refer to?

Judith Butler was one of the first to argue that gender is not something a person "is" but rather something that a person "does". According to this theory gender is a series of repeated actions, behaviors, and roles that are socially conditioned from birth. In this framework, "masculinity" and "femininity" do not exist as scientific, biological realities, but as societal scripts. Now, this influenced the modern science and the so called discoveries that are in fact pseudo-science. Also note, Judith Butler is a jew, as could be expected. This entire narrative is created, pushed and promoted by the jews.

Butler's ontological framework does not make sense in the real world. She not only argues that gender is not merely something society develops, but also that it is what constitutes the subject itself. Which means biological sex ceases to be understood as natural data with intrinsic meaning and is instead treated as an effect of discourse, this is a dangerous line of thought because now, gender is presented simultaneously as a social construction and as the foundation of being. Which means the subject fully exists only when socially recognized. Which in other words means that external recognition assumes ontological primacy.

This translates to the subject being produced by social norms, which in turn exist only because they produce subjects. No one exists prior to recognition, yet no one can recognize without already existing. Reality seems to disappear in a circular loop. But who cares about reality anyway, right?

Simone de Beauvoir a jewish philosopher laid the groundwork for modern feminist theories which introduced the idea that "femininity" was a social construct and not something related to biology, saying you're not born a woman but become a woman.

Robert Jesse Stoller was a jewish psychiatrist that along with John Money were the major influences in introducing the medical distinction between "sex" (biological) and "gender identity" (psychological), the pretext was clinical but the background intention was to show that male and female behaviors would be in large part socially constructed and therefore moldable

The jewish examples are many. You can do your own research, these are just a few to tell you that they are the ones pushing this entire narrative to normalize degeneration among Gentiles.

I will never allow anyone to call me mentally ill and disrespect me

There is no reason to disrespect you and I am not saying these things to attack you. But I am sorry to tell you that it wasn't until 2019 that you stopped being officially considered mentally ill. In 2019, the World Health Organization moved "gender dysphoria" out of the mental illness category. This did not happen because of any major scientific breakthrough it was a conceptual reframing related to human rights.

There was no new biological mechanism suddenly discovered that revealed gender identity to be a measurable physiological condition. Scientifically speaking, there were no new discoveries proving that gender identity overrides biological sex.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

Science comes from Latin "Scientia"
and it means knowledge.

Knowledge without Wisdom and Truth is a curse.

Virtue B - Pursuit of Knowledge

 

[Schwarze Sonne Warrior]

Until now, I have stated that I was born male but chose to assume a feminine identity. In my case, this inclination manifested itself from childhood, although at the time I did not fully comprehend what was occurring within me. I do not intend, however, to dwell extensively on this biographical dimension.
I acknowledge that I was born male, and I do not deny this fact. It is a biological datum. Nevertheless, it is worth recalling that we also belong to the biological genus Homo sapiens—a taxonomic classification designating our species. Biology describes categories; it does not exhaust the totality of subjective experience, nor does it, by itself, determine how each individual understands their own identity.
I do not participate in this community almost daily by mere chance. I read its teachings because I identify with them and because I believe in the Gods. Throughout my life, I have persistently questioned the meaning of my own existence. If anything expressed here appears to conflict with the construction of my identity, I do not regard it as an affront, but as a legitimate occasion for debate. What I value is dialogue.
However, when, at the outset of a conversation, it is asserted that all science is manipulated solely by Jews, meaningful debate becomes impossible. Such a premise forecloses discussion before it can even begin, shifting the matter from the realm of rational inquiry to that of absolute suspicion.
I am not here to indoctrinate anyone. Like the others, I seek spiritual growth. And I state sincerely: if one day science—or even my own reflection—persuades me that my self-understanding is illusory, I will revise my position. I do not cling to it out of obstinacy, but out of provisional conviction.
What prompted me to speak openly was, above all, the discomfort I feel when discussions concerning “trans” individuals repeatedly associate them with abusers, pedophiles, and other moral degradations. I do not recognize myself in such imputations. They are not only morally grave, but they reduce complex individuals to demeaning stereotypes.
If it were possible to describe myself by a term other than “trans,” I might even prefer it—not out of shame, but out of a desire to distance myself from labels burdened with political disputes and collective accusations. I do not belong to any “cabal,” nor do I consider myself mentally ill. I write these words calmly, within my home, during a period of leave from work, reflecting honestly upon my life.
I genuinely appreciated your comment because it was not inflammatory; it was didactic and respectful, and I can clearly perceive your point of view.
As I attempted to explain, I have lost more than I have gained by identifying as a woman and adopting a different appearance. I am aware of the potential adverse effects of hormones upon bone health and other physiological aspects. I strive to be fair and measured in what I affirm, without denying the risks involved.
I do not participate in LGBTQ parades or political movements. I do not even have friends who share my condition; I lead a solitary and ordinary life. Certain opinions circulating publicly sometimes make me fear dying as a victim of hatred, when all I desire is to live in peace. As for the controversies regarding bathrooms, so frequently debated online and in the media, I remain largely detached. I avoid such situations whenever possible. I have never suffered any direct incident, and in most cases I am not socially perceived as male, so I do not experience what many other trans individuals report.
The High Priestess Lydia stated that the trans community is my “community.” On this point, however, I believe there is a misunderstanding: my existence is not reducible to collective affiliations. It is, above all, autonomous.
I find this debate genuinely interesting. Please feel free to speak with me.