Regarding the use of Ehwaz

[GoyVey]

I've been experimenting with the rune Ehwaz for mind control. When I attempt to do so in an ethical way through the use of Ehwaz, I have been noticing resistance from the person. My impression is that emotions are the strongest resistance. The problem is I'm not able to enforce emotions for long periods of time, and I'm only able to do so by consciousness merging and injecting those emotions. At the moment I'm struggling to overcome their nervousness for long periods. When I do inject intended emotions, usually it's conflicting with their desires and resisted heavily.

The enemy must have influence over them already since they have been interfering with my workings.

Does anyone have ideas on this issue? My water element isnt great, maybe working on it would improve my ability to overpower their emotions?

Regarding if this method is ethical, I don't see a difference between it and a charismatic person influencing someone into a positive situation that they wouldn't decide on their own. I could drain, attack and force them to do what I want probably easily, but that's not even an option in this case.

 

[Jrvan]

I think an easier way to accomplish this goal (whatever it specifically is because you didn't elaborate) would be to create a thoughtform to influence their mind in the way you want, and then attach it to their aura. Then the enemy influence will have to work around that.

For your question about emotions, remember that the direction of thoughts and what a person focuses on largely determines their emotional state. You can direct their thoughts to things that trigger the emotions that you want to work with (or that are easier to work), and avoid having them think about things that trigger emotions which go against your goal. You could also try associating their desires in their mind with what you want them to do.

In any case, the brute force method you have elected for is not going to work as well as guiding them in the direction you want. You're trying to force them to go against their own river, instead of directing where their river flows by your own hand.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

I've been experimenting with the rune Ehwaz for mind control. When I attempt to do so in an ethical way through the use of Ehwaz, I have been noticing resistance from the person. My impression is that emotions are the strongest resistance. The problem is I'm not able to enforce emotions for long periods of time, and I'm only able to do so by consciousness merging and injecting those emotions. At the moment I'm struggling to overcome their nervousness for long periods. When I do inject intended emotions, usually it's conflicting with their desires and resisted heavily.

The enemy must have influence over them already since they have been interfering with my workings.

Does anyone have ideas on this issue? My water element isnt great, maybe working on it would improve my ability to overpower their emotions?

Regarding if this method is ethical, I don't see a difference between it and a charismatic person influencing someone into a positive situation that they wouldn't decide on their own. I could drain, attack and force them to do what I want probably easily, but that's not even an option in this case.

You are attempting to brute force when it is not needed. Ehwaz promotes communications and understanding around these sorts of obstacles, not right through them. Although you can attempt to set up a master/slave relationship with it, it is probably harder to do this then to simply allow for a positive relationship to develop along natural routes.

You could even use the rune to instill such friendly qualities within yourself. Going about this method of trying to hammer other peoples' minds is, at best, a waste of time, and at worst is destructive. The difference between this and a charismatic persuasion is that the latter option does not directly force things against the emotions of the individual. Yet, both are bad if being done for malicious purposes.

It is easier to work with people and society, rather than against it. Maybe you can find someone else who wants to engage in whatever moral and fruitful endeavor that requires mind control to participate in. If you are trying to free them from Hebrew programming, then use the RTR and Ansuz.

 

[GoyVey]

Fuck. I must be using Ehwaz in a way that isn't intended by design, as you both mentioned. This person isn't even advanced, probably never meditated in their life, yet even doing 108 ehwaz daily for 3 days (so far) doesn't seem to be working as well as I hoped. It's doing "something", but whatever it's doing is taking waaaay longer than it has any reason to. Like what the hell? Damn, this pisses me off so much. Some of your points are worth discussing actually, ill make individual replays for that.

 

[GoyVey]

I think an easier way to accomplish this goal (whatever it specifically is because you didn't elaborate) would be to create a thoughtform to influence their mind in the way you want, and then attach it to their aura. Then the enemy influence will have to work around that.

For your question about emotions, remember that the direction of thoughts and what a person focuses on largely determines their emotional state. You can direct their thoughts to things that trigger the emotions that you want to work with (or that are easier to work), and avoid having them think about things that trigger emotions which go against your goal. You could also try associating their desires in their mind with what you want them to do.

In any case, the brute force method you have elected for is not going to work as well as guiding them in the direction you want. You're trying to force them to go against their own river, instead of directing where their river flows by your own hand.

I think an easier way to accomplish this goal (whatever it specifically is because you didn't elaborate) would be to create a thoughtform to influence their mind in the way you want, and then attach it to their aura. Then the enemy influence will have to work around that.

This is a good idea. The part that REALLY pisses me off is that I'm not even trying to do anything serious, just make them fucking respond to a text. That's it. I didn't think I'd need more than a small amount of ehwaz for this to work within days. The reason I thought that would be practical was because she's not advanced and I don't need a circumstantial reason for them to respond, they can do it at any moment they have a phone/wifi/internet, whatever. I'm not use to working with Ehwaz, but so far I wouldn't recommend it. If I knew it would be such a hassle, I would have used a thoughtform. Thanks.

For your question about emotions, remember that the direction of thoughts and what a person focuses on largely determines their emotional state. You can direct their thoughts to things that trigger the emotions that you want to work with (or that are easier to work), and avoid having them think about things that trigger emotions which go against your goal. You could also try associating their desires in their mind with what you want them to do.

Yes. I've been improving with conscious merging/ injecting emotions based on this idea. When someone has prior reasons to negatively associate something, it's difficult in my experience to convince them to think differently about it. Like I said earlier, 108 Ehwaz isn't enough for some normie that doesn't meditate who is nervous about what I want them to do.

In any case, the brute force method you have elected for is not going to work as well as guiding them in the direction you want. You're trying to force them to go against their own river, instead of directing where their river flows by your own hand.

In this particular case, no. As you said I didn't elaborate much. This isn't even brute forcing.

 

[GoyVey]

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You are attempting to brute force when it is not needed. Ehwaz promotes communications and understanding around these sorts of obstacles, not right through them. Although you can attempt to set up a master/slave relationship with it, it is probably harder to do this then to simply allow for a positive relationship to develop along natural routes.

I'm not attempting to brute force anything right now. I'm just trying to basically convince someone to respond to a text, that's it. You're right that if there was a natural route existing, it would make more sense to work through it- there isn't and there can't be without communicating at all. I'm not trying to ultimately enslave them either.

You could even use the rune to instill such friendly qualities within yourself. Going about this method of trying to hammer other peoples' minds is, at best, a waste of time, and at worst is destructive. The difference between this and a charismatic persuasion is that the latter option does not directly force things against the emotions of the individual. Yet, both are bad if being done for malicious purposes.

Ya, so far a waste of time bigly. I'm aware there's a subtle difference, I'm not sure if your distinguishment is technically true or not but I'll go along with that conclusion. The end result is the same, especially in this case where I'm not apparently able to convince a normie to respond to a dumb text with 108 ehwaz daily for three days (so far). From what you said, maybe Ehwaz is attempting to heal emotional trauma... but that's not what I wanted and it's just a waste of my time frankly.

It is easier to work with people and society, rather than against it. Maybe you can find someone else who wants to engage in whatever moral and fruitful endeavor that requires mind control to participate in. If you are trying to free them from Hebrew programming, then use the RTR and Ansuz.

Maybe you forgot that our general society is not interested in working with people like "us". You can convince them of all kinds of shit that maybe you're actually capable of doing... ; our incentives, freedom and liberty do not compete well against comfort, conformity, a false sense of security and materialistic pursuits. There is no current leverage to entice people to be cooperative with a Satanic or even vaguely Occult authority. The difficulty the JoS has in expanding, among other things, certainly must give you some amount of insight on what I'm speaking about as whatever a guardian actually does. There is no cooperation. Should we allow these people to follow their own paths and wither under the enemy's influence, achieving ultimately nothing objectively substantial? Is that the moral decision here?

Doesn't seem to matter anyway, practically speaking. We do not decide what is ethical or even necessary.

 

[TJ 666]

Dude, you sound like a creep
maybe she's not responding for a reason?

 

[Mavoch]

Fuck. I must be using Ehwaz in a way that isn't intended by design, as you both mentioned. This person isn't even advanced, probably never meditated in their life, yet even doing 108 ehwaz daily for 3 days (so far) doesn't seem to be working as well as I hoped. It's doing "something", but whatever it's doing is taking waaaay longer than it has any reason to. Like what the hell? Damn, this pisses me off so much. Some of your points are worth discussing actually, ill make individual replays for that.

Man, many works take time to manifest, especially if you are not a powerful soul or are not experienced in using that kind of energy, from what it seems you are testing the use of the rune with a more silly goal, but it is a very automatic goal, you will probably take many days for them to work, so it is an almost useless expenditure of energy.

Depending on your intentions for the person, you could try something more consistent, such as using this rune to make them become more friendly towards you, if you want help with this you can tell us more about your goals for this person so we can advise you, I had many problems with rituals in my early days, so I know what that feeling of frustration is like, but don't give up on your goals.

 

[GoyVey]

AHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH

I was doing this during a Mercery Retrograde. Damn, no wonder.