In Regards To Traitors/Infiltrators and Other Types Of People

[Kajo]

I remember reading from Jake about the whole Christos Lucifer thing. He went even as far as saying we shouldn't use the name Lucifer alone (and instead we should specify it as Satan Lucifer), because the xians co-opted it or something. Was that nonsense? Like how would the name Lucifer tie more into the xian thoughtform, since surely it has a stronger association of being one of Satan's names?

Not to hurt any sensibilities with this one but another thing was this "third sex" people being "privileged guardians of the race". Like... Is your position in society determined by who you stick your dick into? I'm kidding. But I took a lot of his stuff with a grain of salt, and I figure I was quite justified in doing so?

 

[Seby]

I'm insecure and want to be sure of what I'm reading so I researched Mageson's claims and while I can confirm that part of what he said is true I found nothing that could prove other stuff. For example I found nothing about druids being called naddreds and being related to serpents.

Also is it fair to say that only Maxine is in direct contact with the Gods?

 

[High Priestess Lydia]

Mageson is gone? Good riddance. His slothz tales make me sick. His most recent one was so icky that I had wondered if he was a Yehubor.

I won't miss Jake Carlson either. Something always seemed off about his posts, so I barely skimmed them, but I never gave it much thought at the time.

If we need a new clergy member, I'd love to see the name High Priestess Lydia around here!

Thanks, but that won't ever happen. Being clergy simply is not my path. Think of it as like any other job, some are suited for it while most are not, and it does not necessarily have to do with spiritual advancement (to a degree) as there are advanced people who are not clergy, and lesser-advanced who are/were.

 

[darksky666]

He one time said that I lied. He posted a sermon on how Nama Shivaya was good for the third eye/crown area, I remembered reading somewhere that he said he tried the mantra and it did not work well, he said I lied because I did not show proof, it's true that I did not show proof and I thought I may have had not rembered it well. Turn out I was right, checked in a pdf where a member put a lot of HP Mageson sermons and replays and I found it there... I made excuses in my mind on how he may have been not very advanced at the time or whatever but now I know he was just posting bullshits, things stolen from the other HP's, books, and repeating old information. He did not really had experiences with meditations like he said.

I feel a good pressure in crown when i do it though. IIRC he didn't elaborate much on how to do it, just gave the base information about that Mantra and said 3rd eye connected to the crown, but i am thankful to him for that information.

I do it like this (Not suggesting you to do it this way though):
Na in base, Ma in crown, Shhh in base, iiiihh in heart, va in the sacral, ya in heart.

The "movement" between chakras (moving focus from base to crown to base again and then to heart and so on - as i said i am doing) is kind of wacko, so it may be incorrect method of doing it.But it's giving me good pressure in crown, so i do it despite not knowing if its correct method or not.

Judging by HP HoodedCobra's posts, HP Mageson did cause a lot of troubles/mess internally. But i feel like many of us are downplaying his spiritual level quite a lot. His advancement may have been lower than that of HoodedCobra's but IMO that goes for most of us as well.

He was spiritually open enough to notice/understand my issues (both spiritual and physical) and he made posts to help me multiple times. So i don't doubt that he was spiritually open/aware. He may have stopped practicing SS at some point (who knows) but IMO he wasn't as spiritually low as you think (no offense intended).

 

[beareroflightandtrth83]

Wait. Is Mageson/Danko was also Dan from like 2003? If they are the same person I remember a lot of stuff he promoted like vegetarian and among other things IF they are the same person that is. If not, was Mageson/Danko really banned?

Oh, yes. We also had fights over vegeterianism and imposing dietary norms to people. We were constantly in the point of repeating about not pushing these things, and that these are dangerous. After me and HPS Maxine threw a few rage fits to stop this madness [THERE ARE NO DIETARY RESTRICTIONS TO SATANISM], it took a few years of having to repeat and repeat, then these people suddenly became the greater promoters of meat or just left the matter be.

I think Dan was another person that simply turned full fledged traitor. Who knows what happened to this poor soul also after all this time...

That one I did notice. He started pushing veganism. I was like Don are you advocating Vegetarianism? He was like you dont like vegetables?

I don't think I replied. I was like is he trolling? Were we wrong about the diet? None of this makes sense.

If it confused me, I can only imagine how it affected newer members.

There was always something off about Dan/Mageson I remember a while back he got banned from clergy then he was let back in because he said he realized mistakes he made. I’ll admit I left JoS a few times because I got sick of his bullshit. But I never stopped being SS.

I don’t know Jake Carlson well enough to make any judgements.

 

[beareroflightandtrth83]

Wait. Is Mageson/Danko was also Dan from like 2003? If they are the same person I remember a lot of stuff he promoted like vegetarian and among other things IF they are the same person that is. If not, was Mageson/Danko really banned?

Oh, yes. We also had fights over vegeterianism and imposing dietary norms to people. We were constantly in the point of repeating about not pushing these things, and that these are dangerous. After me and HPS Maxine threw a few rage fits to stop this madness [THERE ARE NO DIETARY RESTRICTIONS TO SATANISM], it took a few years of having to repeat and repeat, then these people suddenly became the greater promoters of meat or just left the matter be.

I think Dan was another person that simply turned full fledged traitor. Who knows what happened to this poor soul also after all this time...

That one I did notice. He started pushing veganism. I was like Don are you advocating Vegetarianism? He was like you dont like vegetables?

I don't think I replied. I was like is he trolling? Were we wrong about the diet? None of this makes sense.

If it confused me, I can only imagine how it affected newer members.

There was always something off about Dan/Mageson I remember a while back he got banned from clergy then he was let back in because he said he realized mistakes he made. I’ll admit I left JoS a few times because I got sick of his bullshit. But I never stopped being SS.

I don’t know Jake Carlson well enough to make any judgements.

 

[Jack]

...

Wait so it's Mageson, or [also] the Jake Carlson guy? Because if I recall correctly, Jake was the one who made that other website with tons upon tons of completely wrong and misleading information on it, including about spirit sex and incubi/succubi. I was angry at him for this for a long time, since it hampered my progress with my Succubus way back in my first 1-2 years.

As for Mageson, if it's him then I'm partly glad, because he never really answered questions properly and only talked in enigmatic ways for whatever reason. But also partly sad because he was the only HP to actually call Jack out on his shilling and not just constantly give him the benefit of the doubt.

My personal opinion, just for the sake of "feedback", if you will, is that people shouldn't be given like 10+ chances in the first place before any kind of action is taken, and that some serious warnings or punishments should be done beforehand so these individuals realize they must change or there will be consequences. Letting them run free as long as they pretend they're sorry afterwards, will act as passive approval and make more people act like this. Back in the yahoogroups, people would get banned much more easily if they behaved shittily, but were allowed to make a new account. I liked that system a lot more as there was atleast some consequence to behaving like an idiot. Nowadays you have to be directly attacking an HP or Lydia, or very obviously shill for Yehuborim things, in order to ever get banned.

About transition (from Transsexual SS):
Transexuality goes into the metaphysical realm and taking hormones and having surgeries is what the Yehuborim want people to do because it adds problems on top of problems.

HIGH PRIEST Mageson:
Its in the soul yes but I don’t deny ones right to change the body to the other. Transexual people have my moral support. They where called twin souls in the ancient world. Which was not the term for Homosexuals.

https://archive.md/FbbLz

 

[SparkingPowerUP]

So are they only removed from clergy or also from SS? I also thought Ghost in the Machine could be a HP

 

[Pirate11]

Found footage of him being 100% right over everyone else in the forum:
https://youtu.be/U1UI3noAdvE

sorry for this question ,but is this Mageson himself in the video ?

Read the title of the video you watched

 

[Shrouded]

In the past I used to use the SATANAS Mantra for all energy raising purposes. Whether that energy raising purpose was for the 72 or 48 name RTR, Runic work, or some form of ritual which didn't have a pre-selected mantra(such as the sun mantra surya for money rituals). During this time I felt absolutely wonderful, I felt like I was "walking on air" in the sense that I felt powerful, I felt good, and I felt driven. A Satanist from our community told me not to use the SATANAS mantra because it will "fill my soul with fire" so I stopped. When I look back I think the moment I stopped doing the SATANAS mantra for most of my energy raising purposes I started to decline not only spiritually but mentally and physically as well. Could this be due to elevated energy levels being pushed down or maybe there is an imbalance that the SATANAS mantra was helping with? Either way the SATANAS mantra felt so natural and smooth to me but I listened to one of our family. Could it be possible that their advice was harmful when it meant to be helpful or am I possibly overthinking things?

Yeah SATANAS is said to be fire heavy, as opposed to something SATANAMA, which is said to be more balanced. This shouldn't mean to stop it entirely, just be mindful of that. If you don't have a lot of fire anyway, it likely wouldn't ever imbalance you. Either way, you could easily rebalance yourself if you identify a fire imbalance.

Too much fire would manifest physically as like thirst, insomnia, feeling hot. Mentally it might be like impatience, anger, low emotional sensitivity, etc. If this happened to you, in spite of doing your yoga, alternate nose breathing, and using satanama and aum for balancing, then you could consider slowing your usage of it. You could also invoke some water to counter it, as well. This is a relatively minor inconvenience as opposed to the inconvenience you describe by not using it.

I could think of more and more reasons why it is fine to use, but I think you get the point. Yes, it is a little fire predominant, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't ever use it. Good luck!

I see. Thank you . I am going to go back to using it again. I recently read HP Hooded Cobras post about balancing yourself which was posted on the old forums so I believe I am going to start doing those things as well. Satanama 10min a day and such. I appreciate your help and advice.

 

[GG Allin]

Wait. Is Mageson/Danko was also Dan from like 2003? If they are the same person I remember a lot of stuff he promoted like vegetarian and among other things IF they are the same person that is. If not, was Mageson/Danko really banned?

Oh, yes. We also had fights over vegeterianism and imposing dietary norms to people. We were constantly in the point of repeating about not pushing these things, and that these are dangerous. After me and HPS Maxine threw a few rage fits to stop this madness [THERE ARE NO DIETARY RESTRICTIONS TO SATANISM], it took a few years of having to repeat and repeat, then these people suddenly became the greater promoters of meat or just left the matter be.

I think Dan was another person that simply turned full fledged traitor. Who knows what happened to this poor soul also after all this time...

I remember those threads. There was one I remember seeing where Mageson made an apology in that members were getting anxious about even eating at all because it was being given the impression by his rantings that "all fewd is uf thuh enemee" when really gentiles can and have many times for generations lived to legit 100 years old subsisting off of everyday food like it's nothing, even slightly crappier diets but a Mcdonalds burger once every 4 months isn't going to give you a heart attack at 30 years old.

Eating healthy though is in truth good for the soul - a healthy body, a healthy soul, the astral and physical mirror one another this cannot be denied and what you do to one side can in ways affect the other but isn't to such drastic extremes. Whether you eat more vegetables, or more meat, or dairy or what have you is entirely of your own makeup and making your own decisions is entirely your own thing on your own judgement. People can only figure what works out for them and what doesn't on their own in time.

Logic and reasoning should be applied but a diet is not a prison.

Didn´t he later say he favored vegeterianism because Hitler did also, but Hitler did only because he did read the old vedas where they did promote this. So at some point he Mageson stopped being a vegeterian.

 

[GG Allin]

But, why did the gods accept this behaviour for so long and didn´t severely punish him (Mageson)?

 

[Arcadia [NG]]

I remember those threads. There was one I remember seeing where Mageson made an apology in that members were getting anxious about even eating at all because it was being given the impression by his rantings that "all fewd is uf thuh enemee" when really gentiles can and have many times for generations lived to legit 100 years old subsisting off of everyday food like it's nothing, even slightly crappier diets but a Mcdonalds burger once every 4 months isn't going to give you a heart attack at 30 years old.

I remember making a joke about this a few years back, after seeing more and more flakey new-age junk flow through here. A lot of new members were getting really paranoid about dietary requirements and the like, and I remember feeling irked about this, given one of the earliest pieces of information I read on the main JoS site was that there were no strict dietary requirements. Meanwhile I began seeing claims of "oh I ate a Chicken McNugget in 2003 is my pineal gland dead for good?" followed by "it's not dead, just go outside and stare directly at the sun," followed by "drink X amount of colloidal silver" (an amount that in reality would make you look like a real life smurf).

Sometimes the issue isn't even infiltrators who have negative intent, sometimes people just get really stupid ideas from other movements, post about them here, and other newbies who agree with them back them up to the point it looks like a consensus has formed, especially when people can point to the vague murmurings of this particular HP on the topic, and the end result is basically the same. Suddenly before you know it you have a hundred members promoting a diet consisting only of alkalised water and ginsu leaf smoothies.

 

[Egon]

It's for the lolz, since he likes so much to write Slut Tales.
This guy however could be his spiritual twin. Since demotion he then moved to job that resonates with him better, that is as a clown in a circus, but then he betrays the hardworking people there as well and takes over, becoming the whole circus instead.

Found footage of him being 100% right over everyone else in the forum:
https://youtu.be/U1UI3noAdvE

sorry for this question ,but is this Mageson himself in the video ?

 

[bluedragon666]

In light of this new development regarding mageson, it does seem more suspect now how some of his posts seemed kind of anti-weightlifting. I think I vaguely recall him pushing the heavy veggie diet crap too.

I can't hardly imagine going vegetarian. That would get old VERY quickly. Likewise, I enjoy weightlifting and have no intentions of stopping. Was reading something rather interesting on forums by HP hoodedcobra that seemed to imply hatha yoga might even enhance your weightlifting results, besides added benefits like greater flexibility.

I was just thinking to myself earlier how there's a very low number of seemingly active high priests. I can only think of three now that mageson is gone. These being Maxine, Hoodedcobra, and Shannon. Is it simply because it's that demanding of a calling to be a HP, or was this more of a conscious decision by the demons and clergy to keep the number of HPs low?

It's funny. Once upon a time, I was obsessed with the idea of becoming a HP. I felt like I just had to become one, no matter what. I've kind of grown and matured from that though. I appreciate how fortunate and lucky I am, just to have the opportunity to be involved with this community and grow under the guidance of Satan, his demons, etc. Who knows, maybe after a LOT of personal and spiritual refinement, I may reach that point. Then again, I might never be a HP. Either way, it doesn't matter. It seems more like an honorary title with some extra responsibility, to me at this point. As long as I'm accepted by Satan, contributing to His mission, and can keep developing myself, I'll be happy.

 

[Sledgehammer666]

Well it’s all so very complex , but the easy part to under stand is once you’ve signed in blood the dedication ritual to Master Satan! it truly is binding - joining , together , conjoined , and it cannot he broken so if your a traitor to Satan it’s at your own Peril as your in his Hands under his Power ,,,,for ever. But Master Satan , King of The worlds!!!!! He knows what’s in his owns hearts...And is understanding to his own(his own meaning his family-in some many cases blood family)from long ago.

 

[Azoun]

This isn't really an opinion on Mageson but I wish the people who are now criticizing him would have had the courage to do so before he was gone. It's kind of pointless now.

 

[Soaring Eagle 666]

Recently, some changes in the team up of the Joy of Satan have happened. It is intolerable for Satan to have any "Priest", or any other "Priest", that shows up once every 3 months, only to write inflammatory replies ...

Can we update this page now with the current list of clergy?
https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/JoSClergy.html

This topic is somewhat vague regarding names, so it would help to have a clear picture of exactly who is still with us.

 

[AUM]

Imagine all the kicked-out HPs coming together! :shock:

Lol :lol:

 

[Syd Silver]

Mageson is gone? Good riddance. His slothz tales make me sick. His most recent one was so icky that I had wondered if he was a Yehubor.

I won't miss Jake Carlson either. Something always seemed off about his posts, so I barely skimmed them, but I never gave it much thought at the time.

If we need a new clergy member, I'd love to see the name High Priestess Lydia around here!

If anybody deserves to take Mageson's place, it would be Lydia. She's done a lot of impeccable work, even when I've placed astrology orders from her and has been nothing but helpful to the forums.

High Priestess Lydia when?

If there will be elections I will vote for Lydia as well

 

[sonnenkraft]

This isn't really an opinion on Mageson but I wish the people who are now criticizing him would have had the courage to do so before he was gone. It's kind of pointless now.

many member criticized him and got banned read 1st 2nd pages of this topic , mageson had the authority to terminate users,the granted privileges for mageson was a mistake he used it as a power to shut down good members.

 

[Ninja 666]

As with always it will be "I" who will be taking the snake out of the "hole" and generally is going to be the janitor when it comes to other people's broken sewage pipes. After all, it has been my job for many years to get into these dampening topics that nobody likes, but obligation has arose to do exactly this for once more.

For those who have been here over a few years, they have understood and observed how certain traitors and/or infiltrators always operate. Serious infiltrators, and serious traitors, are never "lazy", they are also never "minding their own business" and for reasons that deal with their aims, always seek to attain some sort of fame, primarily by following the "tune" that everyone else does.

This is necessary for infiltration. Another thing that is necessary, is for these people to go in the public and in general try to get public acclaim, to the extent that nobody will readily believe that someone in said "position" is such a rotten carcass, or that they have a specific agenda.

Due to the difficulty of this situation, the only parties that come to know or notice someone remain one's superiors, and of course, the Gods, which any of the above people never really take in consideration [until they are dying or something similar] which is a natural drawback to their betrayal and so forth.

The superiors can know everything, have proof, and everything else, but as it happened before to many empires, removal of said parasites can be problematic, or it can come at a serious cost. Doing so, the people in question believe, will do more harm than good, and therefore, these people remain lingering around. One day however the day comes for this removal.

So were Mageson and Jake Carlson Yehuborim? I've had some bad interactions with them in the past, and I've had posts dissaproved with just snappy remarks, so I just kept my distance. But it didn't sit well with me. I've seen some feuds with other SS and always thought it a bit too harsh. I believed they were of the more egoistic types. The "strict" and "some people need that". But then again I am also learning as I go.

I sure as fuck struggled with some of this, but "Satan's House" and all, some of my private rants against the Gods and Goddesses are because of this: "if the "representatives of Satan" act like that, why are the character of the Gods / Goddesses not the fuckers who psychic abuse me, what type of fucked up losers do they like, and love, how bad is really the situtation were in?" At least that was the logic and worries. And when you're being psychic attacked it isn't easy to just "trust in the Gods", especially when you had those experiences when you were new.

But I have another question.

Why did you let them in or how did they infiltrate? You are very intelligent and learned. I suspect if they were Yehuborim, they were Yehubor's leader level. I don't believe if they infiltrated that they were anything less. Considering it's the Priesthood of Satan.

Did you allow them to enter? Allowing them to infiltrate the organization, by having them constantly proving themselves, it provided you with information they had on the occult? Maybe some sources you needed? Like the Vatican Library being off limits, you allowed a "Catholic Priest" to give you insights into the library, and now they're not useful anymore? Recon work on infiltration?

I don't believe the Gods and Goddesses, who rank from thousands all the way up to 500.000 years old, has a chaotic disorganized administration on Earth. That's many years of experience with military, academic, intelligence agency / covert operations, and psychology. And being psychics. Using 100% of their brain, having their kundalini risen, able to extract knowledge and power from the aether, and who knows how advanced in the mind, soul, and body they are. Their intelligence has been mentioned before, is immense.

Hitler and Himmler had their problems, but they were running a nation. Is it this simple: because its new with the internet, you learned as you went? I hope not, I'm hoping I have something here.

Or is it just so simple that, because the criteria were lower before and that it can be problematic to remove the parasites, you have to wait for them to fuck up? I thought about this. They may have some innocent Spiritual Satanists with them, so if you remove them it can be serious with the SS' involved, for whatever reasons?

 

[SdD]

This isn't really an opinion on Mageson but I wish the people who are now criticizing him would have had the courage to do so before he was gone. It's kind of pointless now.

HP Hc
It would block or even ban...

 

[Dahaarkan]

It's pretty uplifting to see that action is taken even at a higher level with names that became big over the years. Whilst also giving the benefit of the doubt and a chance at improvement, I think it was handled nicely.


It's kind of sad though that people still see HP as some sort of celebrity status. If anything they've just proved the title is pointless when you don't have the qualifications for it to begin with. One shouldn't want or try to work towards becoming HP you are either fit for it or you are not.

Focus your energies on yourselves, and bettering yourselves, not on chasing pointless things. You don't need a title to do your part for the struggle.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Not to hurt any sensibilities with this one but another thing was this "third sex" people being "privileged guardians of the race". Like... Is your position in society determined by who you stick your dick into? I'm kidding. But I took a lot of his stuff with a grain of salt, and I figure I was quite justified in doing so?

I always raise an eyebrow when I see anybody coming up with guidelines or positions for other people, especially Satanists. My GOD allows me to follow the dictates of my own nature but for some reason I must listen to some dude telling me what my "duty" in society is.

Goyim do what they're told, Satanists do what they want.

 

[Egon]

So were Mageson and Jake Carlson Yehuborim?

From what I understood:
Mageson = traitor/infiltrator and plagiarist.

Jake = lazy and jealous idiot who simply didn't do a satisfactory job as High Priest.

 

[ShadowTheRaven]

If there will be elections I will vote for Lydia as well

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) that's not how it works. But I think she deserves it.

 

[ShadowTheRaven]

It's kind of sad though that people still see HP as some sort of celebrity status. If anything they've just proved the title is pointless when you don't have the qualifications for it to begin with. One shouldn't want or try to work towards becoming HP you are either fit for it or you are not.

This. If I was offered the job right now, I'd immediately decline. Because I know I'm not fit for it. What the fuck would I even do with that kind of position? The only difference being is that I'd get mod privileges and would be referred to as "HP Shadow", but 99% of my posts are let through anyway so what's the point of even having that?

Either someone is fit to be an HP, or they're not. Plain and simple.