ModernMage
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Dang wheres Shannon at for this cringe
Avoid using images that include text to reply something. Copy-paste and link sources instead. Images rely on external hosting (imgur in this case), once they get removed (after a period of time), they become unavailable in the forum, and questions answered with these become unanswered again. Plus, loading a lot of big-sized images slow down page loading for people that use TOR browser (everyone should anyway) and makes it difficult for people with phones to read them (no one should visit sensitive websites with their phone anyway).FancyMancy said:(...)
In America, there are a lot of poor blacks who are obese, just as there are a lot of poor whites who are obese. There's a lot of places in America that just do not get healthy food shipped in. Being obese is more of an economic thing than a black/white thing. People who live where there is healthy food to buy, and who have the money to buy it, are usually healthier people.Jack said:Most blacks are obese tho lol :lol: :lol:
Pirate11 said:Avoid using images that include text to reply something. Copy-paste and link sources instead. Images rely on external hosting (imgur in this case), once they get removed (after a period of time), they become unavailable in the forum, and questions answered with these become unanswered again. Plus, loading a lot of big-sized images slow down page loading for people that use TOR browser (everyone should anyway) and makes it difficult for people with phones to read them (no one should visit sensitive websites with their phone anyway).FancyMancy said:(...)
I could tamper with any text I claim to have come from a site. Pictures are more trustworthy. Imgur seems to not delete the pictures; I've had some on for ages and they're still available. I understand what you mean, though.Pirate11 said:Avoid using images that include text to reply something. Copy-paste and link sources instead. Images rely on external hosting (imgur in this case), once they get removed (after a period of time), they become unavailable in the forum, and questions answered with these become unanswered again. Plus, loading a lot of big-sized images slow down page loading for people that use TOR browser (everyone should anyway) and makes it difficult for people with phones to read them (no one should visit sensitive websites with their phone anyway).FancyMancy said:(...)
FancyMancy said:I was sceptical about VPNs, including from any yearly lists of the top 5 or 10 or whatever number "best VPNs" they create.
In very basic terms, Tor is more about anonymity, whereas a VPN is more concerned with privacy.
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https://privacy.net/what-is-tor
I make no distinction between privacy and anonymity when it comes to online safety. To me they are one and the same, so now I am confused! This page seems to promote using a VPN with Tor, either one first then the other or vice-versa.
I would think the best option, if VPNs can be trusted, would be to connect to a VPN then Tor then a different VPN. The cost would increase and the speed would slow down, but I think it would work. Also with materials, i.e. from JoSM, if all things were encrypted on the file-level, then them going through VPN, Tor, VPN to one's computer should be more secure - but of course we don't have the set-up to encrypt videos, pictures, MP3s and documents and other archives in an archived file like that. My guess is that would need to be done on the server, which would increase its usage, cost, carbon footprint, etc. exponentially. Then, of course, we'd need to decrypt and extract them on our computer on our end, as well...
I am picturing that more like with regular Internet traffic like a stream flowing along, whereas my idea what I just said is more like a box or a chest/trunk being built and put together at the source, floating along that stream (which might be too heavy, hence the cost, extra time for delivery, etc.) which is secure from tampering along the way, and then opened and viewed at the destination. To me, it makes sense, but I know that won't be done any time soon - and if it would be, then I would be suspicious! M$, jewgle, maybe if Shatoo! made a come-back - they'd all be suspicious.
Matt Traudt said:Do not use a VPN as an anonymity solution. You can very well decrease your anonymity by using VPN in addition to Tor. "Using a VPN with Tor is not the obvious security gain that people make it out to be. Users may not lose any safety by adding a VPN, but they certainly aren't gaining any.
People have difficulty understanding how technological things, such as the Internet, works. I was going for metaphor. Talking about subnet makes, default gateways, etc., would cause people to scratch their heads until they were scratching at their brains - except that they'd give-up long before then. It also does make sense, as Internet traffic has been described metaphorically both by water down a pipe and also traffic along a motorway with more or fewer lanes. As for the dangerous entry nodes, that is rather simple to understand; as I said - any vigilante or 3-letter agency can see what you are doing. I also said that I consider privacy and anonymity online to be the same; I didn't say that everyone should agree with me and copy off me. If I was not private; rather, I was public, then I would be known; I could not possibly be anonymous. Regardless of anything - Tor is not as safe as people rely on it to be.Pirate11 said:FancyMancy said:I was sceptical about VPNs, including from any yearly lists of the top 5 or 10 or whatever number "best VPNs" they create.
In very basic terms, Tor is more about anonymity, whereas a VPN is more concerned with privacy.
...
https://privacy.net/what-is-tor
I make no distinction between privacy and anonymity when it comes to online safety. To me they are one and the same, so now I am confused! This page seems to promote using a VPN with Tor, either one first then the other or vice-versa.
I would think the best option, if VPNs can be trusted, would be to connect to a VPN then Tor then a different VPN. The cost would increase and the speed would slow down, but I think it would work. Also with materials, i.e. from JoSM, if all things were encrypted on the file-level, then them going through VPN, Tor, VPN to one's computer should be more secure - but of course we don't have the set-up to encrypt videos, pictures, MP3s and documents and other archives in an archived file like that. My guess is that would need to be done on the server, which would increase its usage, cost, carbon footprint, etc. exponentially. Then, of course, we'd need to decrypt and extract them on our computer on our end, as well...
I am picturing that more like with regular Internet traffic like a stream flowing along, whereas my idea what I just said is more like a box or a chest/trunk being built and put together at the source, floating along that stream (which might be too heavy, hence the cost, extra time for delivery, etc.) which is secure from tampering along the way, and then opened and viewed at the destination. To me, it makes sense, but I know that won't be done any time soon - and if it would be, then I would be suspicious! M$, jewgle, maybe if Shatoo! made a come-back - they'd all be suspicious.
Unfortunately, what you wrote makes no sense. I strongly encourage you to do proper research about how these things work. If your knowledge does not suffice, please retain from aiding others what to do. In particular, not distinguishing between privacy and anonymity is a huge mistake.
No bad feelings, I am not being a dick to you. I just want everyone to be safe, I value safety and privacy a lot given the current times. Using technology the wrong way can lead to real-life repercussion. I don't want this to happen to anyone.
The links above are a good starting points for a proper research.
- (Onion link) Is Tor like a VPN? by Tor FAQ
- (Clearnet link) Tor + VPN by Tor documentation
- (Onion v3 link) VPN + Tor: Not Necessarily a Net Gain by Matt Traudt
Matt Traudt said:Do not use a VPN as an anonymity solution. You can very well decrease your anonymity by using VPN in addition to Tor. "Using a VPN with Tor is not the obvious security gain that people make it out to be. Users may not lose any safety by adding a VPN, but they certainly aren't gaining any.- (Clearnet link) Supposedly Non-Existent VPN Logs Help FBI Catch Internet Stalker by ExtremeTech
- (Clearnet link) VPNs are Lying About Logs by RestorePrivacy,
but the point where they claim VPN+Tor is a good idea is of course invalid.
Pirate11 said:FancyMancy said:I was sceptical about VPNs, including from any yearly lists of the top 5 or 10 or whatever number "best VPNs" they create.
In very basic terms, Tor is more about anonymity, whereas a VPN is more concerned with privacy.
...
https://privacy.net/what-is-tor
I make no distinction between privacy and anonymity when it comes to online safety. To me they are one and the same, so now I am confused! This page seems to promote using a VPN with Tor, either one first then the other or vice-versa.
I would think the best option, if VPNs can be trusted, would be to connect to a VPN then Tor then a different VPN. The cost would increase and the speed would slow down, but I think it would work. Also with materials, i.e. from JoSM, if all things were encrypted on the file-level, then them going through VPN, Tor, VPN to one's computer should be more secure - but of course we don't have the set-up to encrypt videos, pictures, MP3s and documents and other archives in an archived file like that. My guess is that would need to be done on the server, which would increase its usage, cost, carbon footprint, etc. exponentially. Then, of course, we'd need to decrypt and extract them on our computer on our end, as well...
I am picturing that more like with regular Internet traffic like a stream flowing along, whereas my idea what I just said is more like a box or a chest/trunk being built and put together at the source, floating along that stream (which might be too heavy, hence the cost, extra time for delivery, etc.) which is secure from tampering along the way, and then opened and viewed at the destination. To me, it makes sense, but I know that won't be done any time soon - and if it would be, then I would be suspicious! M$, jewgle, maybe if Shatoo! made a come-back - they'd all be suspicious.
Unfortunately, what you wrote makes no sense. I strongly encourage you to do proper research about how these things work. If your knowledge does not suffice, please retain from aiding others what to do. In particular, not distinguishing between privacy and anonymity is a huge mistake.
No bad feelings, I am not being a dick to you. I just want everyone to be safe, I value safety and privacy a lot given the current times. Using technology the wrong way can lead to real-life repercussion. I don't want this to happen to anyone.
The links above are a good starting points for a proper research.
- (Onion link) Is Tor like a VPN? by Tor FAQ
- (Clearnet link) Tor + VPN by Tor documentation
- (Onion v3 link) VPN + Tor: Not Necessarily a Net Gain by Matt Traudt
Matt Traudt said:Do not use a VPN as an anonymity solution. You can very well decrease your anonymity by using VPN in addition to Tor. "Using a VPN with Tor is not the obvious security gain that people make it out to be. Users may not lose any safety by adding a VPN, but they certainly aren't gaining any.- (Clearnet link) Supposedly Non-Existent VPN Logs Help FBI Catch Internet Stalker by ExtremeTech
- (Clearnet link) VPNs are Lying About Logs by RestorePrivacy,
but the point where they claim VPN+Tor is a good idea is of course invalid.