Aquarius said:
I think everyone made their points and the benefit from pushing this is beginning to wane.
There is a certain amount of wisdom in advising others to be humble and cautious about themselves and their mental state. While the nature of this discussion is always going to tread on sensitive ground, pushing too far results in the recipient closing off entirely and rejecting what was said to them. Regardless of whether this rejection was justified or not, further effort will be in vain because the recipient will not reopen to advice until they perceive the threats against them to be lightened.
The above phenomena can be frustrating to well-intentioned advisors because it is emotional in nature, not logical. The situation needs to be addressed from an emotional perspective to be resolved. Any efforts to continue with logical debate are usually rebuffed, often to the dismay of the advisor. With logical interaction stunted due to the emotional obstacles, claims of delusion, stupidity, spite, etc soon fly, which only adds to the previous emotional obstacle.
The correct strategy is to stay calm and apply pressure sparingly and only where necessary to highlight key points. You can give someone a book and strongly implore them to read it, but if you start hitting them with it, then they will never read it. Don't fear dropping the discussion for the fmoment, as you can always restart it later, once emotions have calmed.
In the case of JOS, specifically, we should apply extra caution as to not scare off or derail the advancement of others (and thereby ourselves as well). Whether the individual is advanced or a beginner, both cases have potential and value in our struggle.
As we know, JOS is the only true place of Satanism, so if a person has an awful experience and decides to never come back, they are basically doomed. Avoiding this makes the willpower and emotional effort to prevent a conflict well worth it.
R: just give it another chance, perhaps with other people.
