Astrology doesn’t make sense to me

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

The idea that planets and constellations influence how we’re like and what happens to us doesn’t make much sense. I say this as someone who has a good intuition and in touch with my right-brained side, so I don't think it's an issue of left-brain imbalance. Astrology doesn't "feel" correct to me either.

How is a group of stars/planets X light years away somehow influencing whether I’ll have a career in this position or whether i have good relations with this or that group of people? What exactly in the planet/star is influencing my personality and life?

What’s the science behind this, spiritually speaking?

Also, why stop at the Planets in our Solar system, our Sun and our moon, and the 12 Zodiac signs? Shouldn't every star in the Milky Way or in the universe even somehow have an affect on my life? We don't even consider all the celestial objects in our Solar system. There are 274 moons orbiting Saturn. Jupiter has 97. They should all have an influence on my life too, right? So a constellation dozens of light years away has an effect on me but Saturn's moons don't? Perhaps they do and we just don't know much about it?

The interpretations are also super vague. I've put down random natal chart dates and hours and could see my life described by them as well. They're about as accurate as my natal chart, some things right, others wrong. Almost everyone has good/bad relations with their parents, or feel confident/shy at times. This can all be explained by genetics and environment form my point of view, as well as probabilisticly speaking, everyone will have good/bad times just by chance alone. It doesn't seem like anything profound is being revealed to me here.

Unless of course, the planets/stars aren't the actual powers themselves but symbolic descriptions of higher powers we can't measure?

Perhaps I've misunderstood astrology, how is it meant to be seen or learned? Is it just an advanced form of omen reading, and the planets/stars aren't meant to be taken literraly as the actual powers behind "fate"?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I've asked this before anonymously:

Astrology - #75779 Astrology/Divination doesn't make sense to me

The idea of Astrology, that you can make human/animal shapes or some other object from a random collection of burning gas balls in the sky and this somehow determines human fates/personalities makes no sense to me at all. It sounds completely illogical. It's like throwing a bunch of bones on the...

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I don't think any of the answers were truly satisfactory for me. Perhaps it hasn't clicked for me yet on how it all works. Also I don't think anyone explained how it worked in detail. I'm naturally very skeptical, especially when it comes to things like divination/astrology, and how these things somehow relate/influence someone's life.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I've tried to believe in it and apply it to my life, but if I don't understand how it works, I don't think I can genuinely accept it as true.

Is it the light of the stars? The gravity of the planets? Something that can't be measured by the tools we currently have? What's actually the "force" behind these celestial bodies that influence the lives of people according to astrology, down to minute details in the future even?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

If it really just is "energy", whatever that means, then shouldn't every planet and star in the universe influence us, making the interpretations we have a very small fraction of celestial influence in our lives?

 

[Citorro]

I can relate to you. I’ve thought a lot about the questions that you’re asking as well. So as someone who’s been a skeptic but now works with astrology, here’s what I have to say to you

The way I see it, the planets are energy points of the universe in a similar way that the chakras are energy points of our body, at a much larger scale. Because energy affects energy and everything is connected in the universe, other planets and stars probably have influence over us. But the planets and stars that we’re familiar with are closer to us, meaning they have greater energetic pull over our lives. Humans have always understood this, forming relationships with the Gods and understanding their associations to these points of energy. Where we are at as a mass consciousness now, there is much uncertainty about how to reconcile all of this information that we have gathered. Much of the stories about the zodiac signs across Greece, India, China, ex were created as allegory to understand the energies associated with these stars and planets. Sure the constellations can be viewed as ‘animals,’ but what does this really mean? Those who came before us created associations like this because they were easy to understand, and relatable. Everyone knows that a ram (Aries) loves to charge ahead and ‘ram’ it’s opponent. How can that relate to your life? Are there times that you dive headfirst into something with a lot of energy?

You feel the same way as I do that natal charts with those descriptions ‘If your Mars is in Capricorn, you’re a terrible person’ are bs It is not our purpose to have our life dictated by energies from the planets and stars. But, what they can do is provide insight into what kinds of energies affect your life; the 12 houses. These are the domains of the 12 signs. Trust your intuition before ANYONE else, especially when reading your chart. The descriptions that you read for your ‘career,’ ‘love,’ ‘wealth’ are written for the masses. You are a Zevist, you have access to knowledge that can help you.

I challenge you to look at your own natal chart without skepticism, contemplate what it means for you. If you don’t believe it, it won’t do anything for you. If you search for the meaning and reflect on how it could apply to your life (what you’re struggling with, what your strengths are), you can apply the knowledge in a meaningful way. Your chart is not final. You are a living, breathing person who is influenced by the planets and stars each and every day. When a planet goes retrograde, when the moon passes through the zodiac signs, all of these energies affect you. It’s up to you whether to tune in or not.

Find where your sun is in your natal chart. This is your ego, how you present yourself to the world, the kind of person you are externally. The sun passed through this constellation when you were born, illuminating it, passing it’s powerful rays through these points of energy. Maybe you agree with your Sun placement, maybe you don’t. It doesn’t matter at the end of the day; it simply is an accumulation of energy that you can choose to work with, or not. The Sun sign is considered the only zodiac sign that even matters to most people, and it is usually the easiest to see when looking at someone. There are so many more layers to you, and they all connect to each other. No placement is the same. Your rising sign is you as a person, your soul, the energies initiated when you were born. The Sun is the physical manifestation, while the rising sign is the spiritual manifestation. And the other planets can point you to potential challenges, strengths, and more in your life.

I hope this helps your quest to understand astrology!!

 

[AFODO]

Mass is energy, theoretically there is so many energy in just the human body that it could shatter Earth. The physical and spiritual are deeply interwined, like two face of the same coin.
Planets work similarly to crystals, except they have many components and much larger, and they are very fundamental for our souls and existence. They are not just some random objects completely separated floating in space or something, our souls is literally governed by them and have the same energies in it these planets radiate. They were perfectly designed by Gods, they are not random at all and were not created by chaos.

All of these are hard to grasps if one does not meditate. At this point why would you even believe programming energies and it manifesting is real? Same concept.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

I've tried to believe in it and apply it to my life, but if I don't understand how it works, I don't think I can genuinely accept it as true.

Is it the light of the stars? The gravity of the planets? Something that can't be measured by the tools we currently have? What's actually the "force" behind these celestial bodies that influence the lives of people according to astrology, down to minute details in the future even?

Hello. What you are asking is basically, what is the bridge between astronomy and astrology, how do they complement each other and what is the connection between each other.

In mainstream science (i.e, the andrapoda science, the internet science) there is almost no recognition of any astrological phenomena and astronomy is exclusively dedicated to the physical properties of planets and other bodies. What astronomy does is measure the movements of planets, the two measurable types of energies they generate (kinetic and potential energy), their location, orbits, predictions, magnetic fields, physical components (what types of rocks, gases, nuclei are they made of etc). There is nothing in mainstream astronomy that would pinpoint to any astrological property of a planet and this is done deliberately for centuries. Also because humanity has lived in absolute materialism since christianity has taken over, we have never developed the science and technology to observe and measure any spiritual or non-physical phenomena. We only have tools to measure what is visible and physical. For example we recognize dark matter exists and it represents the vast majority of the matter in the universe but nobody has any clue what dark matter is.

I do believe as time goes and once enemy influence diminishes, formal and serious scientific research will be done either by us Zevists or scientists in general to close this gap between astronomy and astrology and unveil the connection between them. Even if someone attempted to do this at this moment, all that will happen is ridicule and mockery from the mainstream science circles.

If it really just is "energy", whatever that means, then shouldn't every planet and star in the universe influence us, making the interpretations we have a very small fraction of celestial influence in our lives?

No because, even in physical terms, starts and bodies that are too far away from Earth do not have the power to influence it due to the distance. Think of the environent in the immediate proximity of a nuclear explosion. The radiation following the explosion is going to influence the immediate environment for a certain radius but living beings that are far away enough from it are not going to be influenced in any way even though the energy of the radiation itself is very powerful.

If you look at the Rigel star in the Orion for example, it is almost 80 times bigger than the Sun, 21 times heavier, almost twice as hot and yet, its influence on Earth compared to the Sun based on our astrological understanding is minimal or almost non-existent, because whilst the Sun is around 150 million kilometers away from us, Rigel is around 773 light years away.
Just 1 light year is 9.46 trillion kilometers so I let you do the conversion.

I believe that is why the Sun and the planets in the Solar system have this energetic influence on Earth, because in comparison to anything else they are extremely close to Earth and ”their energy” is much more potent for this reason and not that they are ”stronger” than other stars or planets. Now why and how each planet has the properties we know they have (Sun governs power, finances, money, Venus governs love, beauty, Jupiter represents luck etc.) I personally believe we have gotten this understanding from the Gods initially but also because astrology is a science in itself (just disregarded by the ”official science”), astrologers who are versed into it are also able to figure out what aspects each planet governs over. Astronomy and astrology individually are very complicated and complex already, to master both and establish the connection between them once and for all is something an extremely small number of people are ever going to be capable to do, and also to explain it in simple terms that most people can understand (because as I said, both are very complex and most people understand neither of them) but I strongly believe it will happen. I think this understanding was much better grounded and widespread in ancient times especially among the ancient Greeks and Egyptians who are historically reknown for their knowledge in math and astronomy, think here for example the location of the Giza pyramids and their association with the Orion belt

From Wikipedia:
Orion's Belt superimposed on the Giza pyramid complex, illustrating the Orion Correlation Theory. From left to right:

• Alnitak on the Great Pyramid of Giza
• Alnilam on the pyramid of Khafre
• Mintaka on the pyramid of Menkaure

The corners of the pyramids are all aligned with the cardinal points, the pyramids are "oriented" towards Orion - I believe what this means is that, the tip of the pyramids are pointing towards the Orion constellation during the time of the night (or day, depends of the period of the year) when the constellation is in the "middle of the sky" so to say, perpendicular to Earth, you can see the movement of Orion on the sky from Giza using astronomy software like Stellarium which is based on decades of astronomical observations and calculations from satellites and related. Makes me think that the Pyramids were intended to collect energy from Orion in a similar way solar panels collect solar radiation/sunlight and convert it to electricity (obviously that's not why the pyramids would collect energy from Orion but for other reasons). Do you think they did that out of superstition? The reasons behind the Pyramids as an example were both motivated by astronomy and astrology and there are many such examples from the ancient world.

 

[FancyMancy]

Astrology is complex. Consider that our Physical Bodies are a bunch of Energy fields held together in certain patterns and configurations - each organ has its own and blood has its own, etc, and the Planets and the Sun and the Moon are much larger bunches of Energy fields in other certain patterns and configurations. Our Bodies, our genes, vibrate (which helps to 'generate' our Aura); the Planets vibrate. These vibrations, and how they interact like tea and milk in water, or coffee and milk in water, or ingredients in a cake, all swirling together, all interact in many different ways repeatedly. We are slathered in vibrations from the Planets, we are caked in it, we drown in these interactions. As they vibrate, the vibrations ripple through Space to Earth and like a ball in a pinball machine we are energised in different ways, all of which interact. Take Chladni figures, and consider the Planets so much greater in influence upon us.

Chladni Figures/Plates

Chladni Figures/Plates

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The Energies that we have in our Souls from previous lives all add-up and build-up, and interact more and more. Naturally, some win and others lose, which is part of why we have successes and failures - but we also have choices. When you vibrate the Chladni plate enough, and in certain ways, at certain frequencies, then things settle and other things become settles and others are still settling; then we we vibrate the Chladni plate in a different way at a different frequency, it changes; we use meditations to offset and reset and correct vibrations, both within ourselves and also in our environments and the World around us, so that we exist in better patterns, despite, in spite of, and regardless of the Astrological/Natal dominance that used to be over us. Take my copper, silver and gold coin analogy (below) - we start somewhere, and we improve over time until we get better.

I think my reply here would be helpful. It is about a collection of bronze, silver and gold coins and replacing the lower denominations with higher denominations and better things, in an analogy. It is important to not push ourselves too far too quickly when increasing ourselves for the better; that can be worse for us. A careful, steady pace, but pushing ourselves to maybe 110% or there abouts which is not dangerous or uncomfortable for us, can be good. 110% is just an example. The specific numbers are individual, of course. Fake it 'til you make it, carefully.