An idea for the advancement of JoS and Spiritual Satanism

[SatAnon]

Hello everybody,

I have noticed that many newbies struggle to learn from the JoS site. Mainly because in my opinion, it's more like a reference and doesn't provide in-depth instruction about many important topics. For example, the Astrology section has info on signs, aspects and planets, but it doesn't provide info on things like the purpose and history of astrology, instructions for newbies on how to read your chart or other specific info to look out. And, what's totally missing is predictive astrology, like solar arcs, solar and lunar returns, progressions and transits. There's zero mention of these things or any explanation on how could they be done, and it's important because many people want to learn how to predict their future using astrology and get informed about any Saturn transits or other imporant upcoming events in their life.

Then, there are other topics that deserve an entire book to explain them but the JoS only provides a single page or a small section, such as Tarot, chakras, communicating with the dead or Runes. Other important parts, like how to develop your astral senses don't even have a page dedicated to them, only some references in regards to some small clairvoyance chakras over your head.

So, it's good as a reference, but many people struggle to learn from it.

On the other hand, I see New Age publishers and organizations not only have written detailed books (more than 300 pages each) on those topics, but they also have in-depth online courses (they charge a lot for them, but that's not the point).

So what I propose is that people who are knowledgeable about these topics and practice them or they have researched them, could create courses so that the new people can learn better. It could be in an external website, with a name like "JoS University" and the courses can be in a video, audio or written form.

Some topics to consider explaining in detailed courses are:

• The basics of Satanism and how to get started
• The history of Satanism and its ancient roots
• Power Meditation
• Chakras
• Runes
• Astrology
• How to develop your astral senses and communicate with the Gods
• Tarot and other forms of divination
• Magick (Especially money magick, as it's what many people are interested in)
• Spiritual warfare

Most of these topics (yes, including how to communicate how to communicate with and see astral entities like Demons) can be learned from non-Satanic sources, but it would be great to not have to depend on them. Even if one doesn't know much about them, one could theoretically spend a year or more reading non-Satanic books about the topic they're interested in, joining courses about that topic and practicing all they have learned and then come here to teach about it.

Just think about my idea, and don't accept or dismiss it lightly, but consider if and how it could transform JoS to a better state.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Everything is being expanded. It's already been mentioned that I am expanding the astrology section, and that is all I will mention for now

 

[OttoHart]

As far as I know, sites are being updated for this exact purpose.
Having more people work on these guides would run the risk of diminishing their quality. Which is why there are few people working on actually writing content for the sites, mostly Clergy.
That being said, a more dedicated site to practicing with more streamlined things is a good idea.

I'm curious to see how this topic develops.

 

[ramses13th]

I think this is a fair concern and at the same time us as members can contribute on it.

Choose a subject and make it your study, with all the respect and admiration there's only as fast as the clergy can go with this and we can ease everything by individual research and sharing what we concluded.

It might take years to come with useful and unique material but this is what makes it valuable, you've grown as a person in order to help both yourself and others.

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

Some of the website's info is also very outdated (references to Zitchin, the mining gold stuff, enemy Nordics) and I'm sure other stuff as well.

 

[pakartas]

Hello everybody,

I have noticed that many newbies struggle to learn from the JoS site. Mainly because in my opinion, it's more like a reference and doesn't provide in-depth instruction about many important topics. For example, the Astrology section has info on signs, aspects and planets, but it doesn't provide info on things like the purpose and history of astrology, instructions for newbies on how to read your chart or other specific info to look out. And, what's totally missing is predictive astrology, like solar arcs, solar and lunar returns, progressions and transits. There's zero mention of these things or any explanation on how could they be done, and it's important because many people want to learn how to predict their future using astrology and get informed about any Saturn transits or other imporant upcoming events in their life.

Then, there are other topics that deserve an entire book to explain them but the JoS only provides a single page or a small section, such as Tarot, chakras, communicating with the dead or Runes. Other important parts, like how to develop your astral senses don't even have a page dedicated to them, only some references in regards to some small clairvoyance chakras over your head.

So, it's good as a reference, but many people struggle to learn from it.

On the other hand, I see New Age publishers and organizations not only have written detailed books (more than 300 pages each) on those topics, but they also have in-depth online courses (they charge a lot for them, but that's not the point).

So what I propose is that people who are knowledgeable about these topics and practice them or they have researched them, could create courses so that the new people can learn better. It could be in an external website, with a name like "JoS University" and the courses can be in a video, audio or written form.

Some topics to consider explaining in detailed courses are:

• The basics of Satanism and how to get started
• The history of Satanism and its ancient roots
• Power Meditation
• Chakras
• Runes
• Astrology
• How to develop your astral senses and communicate with the Gods
• Tarot and other forms of divination
• Magick (Especially money magick, as it's what many people are interested in)
• Spiritual warfare

Most of these topics (yes, including how to communicate how to communicate with and see astral entities like Demons) can be learned from non-Satanic sources, but it would be great to not have to depend on them. Even if one doesn't know much about them, one could theoretically spend a year or more reading non-Satanic books about the topic they're interested in, joining courses about that topic and practicing all they have learned and then come here to teach about it.

Just think about my idea, and don't accept or dismiss it lightly, but consider if and how it could transform JoS to a better state.

You have expressed exactly what I have been thinking for a long time. Unfortunately, JoS lacks a lot of information on very important topics such as divination methods, runes, and numerology. There are just a few hints, but they don't go in-depth. I have read the entire PDF on astrology by Azazel, but it's not enough to be able to properly read transits or a return on my own. I really hope that some experienced user or the Clergy will create comprehensive video tutorials for beginners. I am eagerly awaiting updates from HPS Lydia!

 

[serpentwalker666]

Everything is being expanded. It's already been mentioned that I am expanding the astrology section, and that is all I will mention for now

Thank you for everything you do for us High Priestess Lydia.

This will definitely be amazing as I planned to circle back to and improve my knowledge of astrology to better overcome some obstacles.

 

[Viego]

Everything is being expanded. It's already been mentioned that I am expanding the astrology section, and that is all I will mention for now

I can't wait for this! This is wonderful News ! Thank you!!

 

[Deep Darkness]

Also dream interpretation is topic that should be more investigated and more informed in spiritual satanism.

 

[Sol Rei 666]

Also dream interpretation is topic that should be more investigated and more informed in spiritual satanism.

I agree. Since there are many different dreams, it should at least give some light, or a starting point. A few months ago I was dreaming about a deceased loved one, and I was able to understand well what these dreams wanted to tell me, they don't always leave the answer explicit, A slightly deeper analysis of the dream should be done.

 

[ничто]

Ya, this has been a problem. For these reasons, the JOS acts more so as an introduction. This is something we can work on together as a community.

 

[Homer]

Ya, this has been a problem. For these reasons, the JOS acts more so as an introduction. This is something we can work on together as a community.

TBH if it were just an introduction and people recommended external books, this wouldn't be a serious problem. But if you really notice, in all the threads where someone asks "are there any books you recommend to learn more about SS and other things?" all members reply "you don't need any book, just read the JoS site, it has everything you need".

Not only those who ask about general books about SS, but those who ask about books on specific topics get told "you don't need books, read the JoS section on Astrology/Magick/Meditation/whatever else".

So, people treat the JoS site as if it contains all knowledge about SS and all relevant topics, even though it has shortcomings. So you either have to recommend other books for people to read or you have to improve the site and add more knowledge if you want to treat it as if it contains everything.

 

[ничто]

TBH if it were just an introduction and people recommended external books, this wouldn't be a serious problem. But if you really notice, in all the threads where someone asks "are there any books you recommend to learn more about SS and other things?" all members reply "you don't need any book, just read the JoS site, it has everything you need".

Not only those who ask about general books about SS, but those who ask about books on specific topics get told "you don't need books, read the JoS section on Astrology/Magick/Meditation/whatever else".

So, people treat the JoS site as if it contains all knowledge about SS and all relevant topics, even though it has shortcomings. So you either have to recommend other books for people to read or you have to improve the site and add more knowledge if you want to treat it as if it contains everything.

You're right. Technically the site won't be able to contain "everything", or even close to it. The site's material might be enough for some people, but plenty of people do in fact go further than the site describes. Ideally one would be able to communicate with the gods and have direct tutelage from them, but many don't.

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If you want to do something about it, we can start fleshing out the material JOS never covered yet ourselves. We could later present the material to the clergy and have it reviewed officially. Personally, I'm down to get into anything, "for science" as they say. No holds barred.

 

[OttoHart]

TBH if it were just an introduction and people recommended external books, this wouldn't be a serious problem. But if you really notice, in all the threads where someone asks "are there any books you recommend to learn more about SS and other things?" all members reply "you don't need any book, just read the JoS site, it has everything you need".

Not only those who ask about general books about SS, but those who ask about books on specific topics get told "you don't need books, read the JoS section on Astrology/Magick/Meditation/whatever else".

So, people treat the JoS site as if it contains all knowledge about SS and all relevant topics, even though it has shortcomings. So you either have to recommend other books for people to read or you have to improve the site and add more knowledge if you want to treat it as if it contains everything.

You don't have the discernment both spiritually and materially to practice shit in books until you get a mastery over the basics, which can take years.

Do you genuinely have open Chakras you can use for powerful workings?
Have you gotten good with trance?
Do you have years of experience with God Rituals?
Can you feel the effects of cleaning and protection as you do it, as in literal energy?
Asanas also take years to master.

There are also dozens of meditations that take ages to master.

What exactly do you "need" that is external? At some point this is just looking for shortcuts instead of doing the work.

JoS Donors is where that "help" and "shortcuts" are, so get really good at certain skills and use those skills for JoS, or just use your advancement to make some nice money and donate some.

 

[Homer]

You don't have the discernment both spiritually and materially to practice shit in books until you get a mastery over the basics, which can take years.

Do you genuinely have open Chakras you can use for powerful workings?
Have you gotten good with trance?
Do you have years of experience with God Rituals?
Can you feel the effects of cleaning and protection as you do it, as in literal energy?
Asanas also take years to master.

If you are asking about me, I'm a SS for almost 20 years and I have read both the JoS site as well as many other books that go into more detail about different topics mentioned on JoS. I'm a well-studied person and pretty spiritually advanced. You aren't really talking with a newbie here who hasn't done what you are asking.

Also, like most others had trouble with the instructions on JoS when I was new because they don't explain things clearly or go into much detail.

For example, as the original post said, one of the common things that people ask is how to communicate with the Gods. People often give the vague answer "just open your astral senses, bro". There isn't anything written on JoS about that other than a minor page on clairaudience chakras.

Yet, what if I told you that I learned much more from New Age books about intuition that tell exactly how to communicate with their "angels" and not merely give a vague reply "just open your astral senses"? Hell, their advice is simpler and easier than that and works.

Another thing: Astrology is a vast and complex matter that can take more than 10 years to learn and master, as HP Maxine said. Yet you expect people to only learn about astrology from 10 reference pages in the JoS site? Really?

Which is why you either have to recommend books or to improve the site.

 

[Homer]

Do you genuinely have open Chakras you can use for powerful workings?
Have you gotten good with trance?
Do you have years of experience with God Rituals?
Can you feel the effects of cleaning and protection as you do it, as in literal energy?
Asanas also take years to master.

There are also dozens of meditations that take ages to master.

Also, many new people try those things mentioned and don't seem to go anywhere and lose patience. They really don't know what to do. The JoS site doesn't really mention anything about that.

But what if I told you that from the many external books I studied I gathered knowledge that fills all those gaps?

For example, when I was new I was like "am doing it wrong?" when I was meditating. I didn't know what to do and how to be sure I'm doing it right, until I read mainstream books on meditation. They really explain how there is no such thing as wrong and right meditation, and all it matters is that you practice it. They also mentioned that wondering if you are doing it wrong is merely more left brained thinking and doubt and you should merely observe these doubtful thoughts and disregard them.

Now that's some advice that nobody on JoS really told me that greatly impacted my spiritual progress!

And the JoS donors thing you mentioned, really? You mean JoS is a pay-to-advance thing now? That you can't advance spiritually if you don't pay money? HP Maxine never intended it to be like that at all, she always said the basic knowledge should be free to everyone.

 

[Homer]

Technically the site won't be able to contain "everything", or even close to it. The site's material might be enough for some people, but plenty of people do in fact go further than the site describes. Ideally one would be able to communicate with the gods and have direct tutelage from them, but many don't.

Those of us who go further than the site describes do actually read other books and sites other than JoS.

Which is why my main point was about those members who tell people to read the JoS and nothing else. If I only read the JoS I wouldn't be where I am today. I can't explain it, but reading other material gives you an expanded perspective. It fills some missing gaps you may have.

That's why people here should not shy away from recommending other books.

 

[OttoHart]

Those of us who go further than the site describes do actually read other books and sites other than JoS.

Which is why my main point was about those members who tell people to read the JoS and nothing else. If I only read the JoS I wouldn't be where I am today. I can't explain it, but reading other material gives you an expanded perspective. It fills some missing gaps you may have.

That's why people here should not shy away from recommending other books.

Then you did things correctly.

The average person doesn't know how to discern between absolute bullshit and good information when it comes to outside sources.

"You can't do it completely wrong and you should just keep practicing, it will eventually get better" is not something you need an external book for, Lady Maxine says this directly in multiple areas in the meditation section.
But I'll just assume you gave a bad example and learned other more important things. In which case, sure, it is a good idea to look into external sources if you have the necessary critical thinking and experience.

As for JoSDonors, the basic information and necessary things will always be free, but there are more advanced things that shouldn't be in the hands of dabblers, as well as subjects that only those that really care about the cause will make use of to begin with.
You give value, you get value back. And it is important to support the JoS, the rewards for this are just a bonus.
I wouldn't consider it "pay to advance", because most people on the platform received their benefits due to effort done in JoS projects, not direct money donations.
Regardless, things like the JoS do need money to run a lot of things and expand, and Lady Maxine herself said this.

For a beginner, "just read the JoS" is a valid answer, as they would easily be vulnerable to dangerous information if they were to delve into outsider material without getting a good grip on the available material and practicing the basics.

I do agree that a lot of the time that's a poor answer, however, and a better answer can be given instead.

In which case... you're an old and experienced member, so why not go and be more active in the Forums, and answer these questions better yourself?
That's a positive thing to do that will help the community, better than complaining that others aren't doing it (some are).
Even something like that can land you some JoS Donors benefits eventually, because yes, helpful people in the Forums are always needed.

Do not take my arguments as meaning harm, we're all brothers here.

 

[Homer]

And the JoS donors thing you mentioned, really? You mean JoS is a pay-to-advance thing now? That you can't advance spiritually if you don't pay money? HP Maxine never intended it to be like that at all, she always said the basic knowledge should be free to everyone.

The "JoS donors platform" is what is commonly called a "paywall". That is, you hide an entire section of the site behind a log in screen that requires to pay to access it.

This is entirely different thing from having an online store and offering materials for sale. You can't even access that part of the site to see if the materials there are even worth paying for!

I wonder what HP Maxine would think if she knew there's a paywall now. She always said all knowledge (except advanced things like advanced black magick techniques) should be free and available to everyone. That was an important ideal behind the creation of JoS.

 

[Homer]

The "JoS donors platform" is what is commonly called a "paywall". That is, you hide an entire section of the site behind a log in screen that requires to pay to access it.

Confirmed by HP Cobra's posts, JoS is now pay-to-advance, congratulations! All what you really need to advance spiritually is hidden behind a paywall and you can't even see what it is! I'm really dumb, how didn't I see this before? That means JoS is compromised, as I said.

Delete my account and ban me please, I don't want to do anything to do with that. HP Maxine is probably rolling in her grave now, (if she's dead).

 

[The Alchemist7 [JG]]

Confirmed by HP Cobra's posts, JoS is now pay-to-advance, congratulations! All what you really need to advance spiritually is hidden behind a paywall and you can't even see what it is! I'm really dumb, how didn't I see this before? That means JoS is compromised, as I said.

Delete my account and ban me please, I don't want to do anything to do with that. HP Maxine is probably rolling in her grave now, (if she's dead).

These are some uneducated remarks from someone who claims to be 20 years in Satanism, ironically. There is no section of JoS hidden behind a paywall in JoS Donors. All the knowledge there is completely separate and different from what it is in the site, a lot of it is not even about spirituality or meditation. If what you said was true then there will only be the beginner meditation section on public access or silly stuff like that, while the more advanced sections would have been "locked behind a paywall" like you say, which obviously never happened and never will happen.

You argue "basic information" should be public with free access, yet all that is public in the JoS already is by no means just "basic information". If you think that meditations on mastering the elements or transfer of consciousness or astral projection are just basic information then you are certainly clueless. One could become extremely advanced with the information that is on JoS and knowledge is only being added as time goes.

Funny enough JoS Donors is not exclusively for JoS membes who donate money. There are many members who " donate" their time and skills in advancing and growing JoS by doing translations, activism etc. which is also a form of donation, without any money involved. Just goes to show the ignorance in your comments. "How much do you care about JoS" is why JoS Donors exist. Those who put time and effort and indeed money into maintaining and expanding JoS are definitely deserving of extra assistance with their advancement and growth.

Alternatively, please let us know when you will manage to find some Rabbi or a "philanthropic" foundation that is willing to donate whatever amount of money is required to keep the already huge JoS infrastructure going. That would help immensely.

 

[Power of Justice [JG]]

The "JoS donors platform" is what is commonly called a "paywall". That is, you hide an entire section of the site behind a log in screen that requires to pay to access it.

This is entirely different thing from having an online store and offering materials for sale. You can't even access that part of the site to see if the materials there are even worth paying for!

I wonder what HP Maxine would think if she knew there's a paywall now. She always said all knowledge (except advanced things like advanced black magick techniques) should be free and available to everyone. That was an important ideal behind the creation of JoS.

I don't know if you are aware, but it's not free for the JoS to exist. HPS Maxine and HPHC have given many tens of thousands of dollars to build and maintain it. It doesn't run on love and good intentions. The JoS will always be free for all, but those who give back will always be rewarded as well. That is what the donor platform is for.

 

[ничто]

These are some uneducated remarks from someone who claims to be 20 years in Satanism, ironically. There is no section of JoS hidden behind a paywall in JoS Donors. All the knowledge there is completely separate and different from what it is in the site, a lot of it is not even about spirituality or meditation. If what you said was true then there will only be the beginner meditation section on public access or silly stuff like that, while the more advanced sections would have been "locked behind a paywall" like you say, which obviously never happened and never will happen.

You argue "basic information" should be public with free access, yet all that is public in the JoS already is by no means just "basic information". If you think that meditations on mastering the elements or transfer of consciousness or astral projection are just basic information then you are certainly clueless. One could become extremely advanced with the information that is on JoS and knowledge is only being added as time goes.

Funny enough JoS Donors is not exclusively for JoS membes who donate money. There are many members who " donate" their time and skills in advancing and growing JoS by doing translations, activism etc. which is also a form of donation, without any money involved. Just goes to show the ignorance in your comments. "How much do you care about JoS" is why JoS Donors exist. Those who put time and effort and indeed money into maintaining and expanding JoS are definitely deserving of extra assistance with their advancement and growth.

Alternatively, please let us know when you will manage to find some Rabbi or a "philanthropic" foundation that is willing to donate whatever amount of money is required to keep the already huge JoS infrastructure going. That would help immensely.

I sent an email inquiring about how to become part of the jos donor program ([email protected]). Initially I was seeing Homer's perspective, but after your message here I understand the situation better. Hopefully Homer does as well, I'm sure he meant well.

 

[Viego]

I sent an email inquiring about how to become part of the jos donor program ([email protected]). Initially I was seeing Homer's perspective, but after your message here I understand the situation better. Hopefully Homer does as well, I'm sure he meant well.

To become a donor : https://satanisgod.org/Donate.html

Once that is done contact BlackOnyx8 [JG] at https://ancient-forums.com/members/blackonyx8-jg.71344/
His email is : [email protected]

Good luck!

 

[OttoHart]

I do hope that the concept of a religion that runs multiple sites, is actively expanding, is doing massive research, is making projects for its members, and has Clergy that work tirelessly on its spiritual aspects... needs money to run, isn't lost on people. Especially SS.
Homer acts like we're beggars on the street.

If you don't have money, nor do you want to improve your financial situation with our spiritual practices and physical action, or for some other reason don't want to spend money on JoS, you can also receive tiers in JoS Donors by participating in JoS projects or being a pillar of community support on the Forums. Honestly, with the amount of people who received tiers for translation work, Outreach, and many other projects/forms of support, I'd say "Donors" is a misnomer, and the site should be named something else, like "JoS Inner Circle".

The path of Spiritual Satanism can be walked towards growth, evolution and power even without being in there, regardless.

If, even with that in mind, the concept of having to give value in order to receive value isn't understandable to someone, maybe that person needs a couple more lifetimes to "cook".

 

[The Alchemist7 [JG]]

I sent an email inquiring about how to become part of the jos donor program ([email protected]). Initially I was seeing Homer's perspective, but after your message here I understand the situation better. Hopefully Homer does as well, I'm sure he meant well.

Hello I will go through the emails now.
As far as I know the main ways to benefit from the JoS Donor material is by donating or participating into translations or outreach/activism.