About Treating People and Zevists Joining The Forum

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Am I toxic? Real question

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Am I toxic? Real question

No. If anything, only a couple people have been, and this can come as a fleeting situation. Generally, overly toxic people who don't want to change don't really last on the forum a long time.

People generally understand this as the Gods do tend to explain this to people or they come to this conclusion on their own.

The topic was certainly to not make anyone overreact, but just to consider some things in the future.

As the JoS grows people here will affect more and more people, ie, the application of this understanding will be helpful.

Toxicity has also been extremely rare within here, despite what some people may claim that their feelings got hurt. Real, harmful toxicity, of deluded people etc, has been heavily present outside of here, in closed kosher groups etc.

I see, thank you for the reply

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Am I toxic? Real question

No. If anything, only a couple people have been, and this can come as a fleeting situation. Generally, overly toxic people who don't want to change don't really last on the forum a long time.

People generally understand this as the Gods do tend to explain this to people or they come to this conclusion on their own.

The topic was certainly to not make anyone overreact, but just to consider some things in the future.

As the JoS grows people here will affect more and more people, ie, the application of this understanding will be helpful.

Toxicity has also been extremely rare within here, despite what some people may claim that their feelings got hurt. Real, harmful toxicity, of deluded people etc, has been heavily present outside of here, in closed kosher groups etc.

I see, thank you for the reply

Did something in my post in particular confuse you to that end?

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Did something in my post in particular confuse you to that end?

No, but it is a personal issue I try to fix in myself. I always have the impulse to overly overpower every situation, and sometimes I can unconciosly tend to be more like a "screaming teacher" and too tougher rather than normal. So I saw the affinity to the subject.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

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One of HPS Maxine's last posts, made a few months before her last, was correcting another member about starting a working during a VoC moon. Her reply was concise and without any hint of disdain or other negativity at the person for confusing a simple concept. To me, this served as a great example of her caring for others, even noobs. She could have admonished them, or simply ignored them, but chose not to.

If you tell another person here that the Gods had insulted you about something, others would quickly and accurately jump to inform you that that was an enemy attack, not the Gods. So most know that the beings of the highest level of spiritual advancement behave in a certain manner when it comes to correcting and guiding us. This should make it obvious what the correct approach to dealing with others is, especially those below you.

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While I know that most have good intentions in regards to correcting others, care must be taken to not offend or insult while delivering advice. This is especially important when engaging with a person new to you. If a person perceives hostility directed towards them, they will react by fighting both you and your argument to protect their ego. If you act as an opponent towards another, even unintentionally, then they will respond similarly.

If you want someone to accept your advice, it must be seen as positively intended for them. Why would they accept something that "hurts" their brain to read? A message must be conveyed in a way that is pleasing in all aspects, both in grammar, syntax, but also emotionally.

If a message conveys a hostile tone, even subtly or unconsciously, it will be rejected by the recipient. At worst, it will make the person reject JOS entirely. This is the case when a person is attacked by many members, without anyone be positive towards them. At this point, they feel that everyone is against them, not just a select few.

If a person was to be separated from TOZ, and Zevism by extension, this would be an utterly retarded blunder on those responsible. In many times, one could have just said nothing. Members are lost by attacks and other enemy influences, but losing a member by our own hand is easily avoidable. People fight their whole life to eventually come to Zeus, so they should be pulled out of the clownworld pit and cemented here, not kicked in the head while climbing the ladder.

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In the case of "trolls" or Yehuborim or fedposting: know that most work in subtle ways. They take their time and worm their way in. They usually have professional support and are thus playing the long game. They may be following a handbook and so on.

Therefore, when you see a poster with a lower number of posts, who is also posting obviously incorrect or strange writing, it is more likely they are not trolling or fedposting. I think it is actually the "worse" the posts are, the more the person actually needs help. However, we all know what such people need: it could be healing, grounding, or detaching from negative energy/items. The last thing they need is someone powerful directing hate on them.

If someone here thinks it hard to help others who are in awful situations, even self-created ones, you better get used to it now while you can. What are you going to do in 5 or 10 years time when the normie swarm returns to Zeus? The correct answer is to efficiently and politely point them towards the steps, workings, or meditations they need to prioritize to fix themselves.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

As we will grow [Important implementations incoming] many here will be helpers and people who many are going to look up to. It's therefore imperative we start adjusting to this now. I included this amazing reply in my other post. I totally agree especially on the Normie Swarm theory.

It happening and is intensifying, the numbers don't lie.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

No, but it is a personal issue I try to fix in myself. I always have the impulse to overly overpower every situation, and sometimes I can unconciosly tend to be more like a "screaming teacher" and too tougher rather than normal. So I saw the affinity to the subject.

An easy band-aid that can be applied to this is to add a sentence to the end of your posts. This sentence could explain that you don't mean to be harsh towards the person, but you just feel strongly about the matter. Mention that you care about the issue and them and don't want them walking away confused about your views, or knowing less than they should.

In 90% of cases, you can easily just slap this on, whilst leaving the original conversations completely the same. This is because most people just need to hear confirmation that you are only trying to help. Then there is no doubt you are trying to overpower them.

 

[EnkiUK]

Great post HPHC

and also the highlighted comment i think by Blitz.

Hail Satan
Hail JOS

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

No, but it is a personal issue I try to fix in myself. I always have the impulse to overly overpower every situation, and sometimes I can unconciosly tend to be more like a "screaming teacher" and too tougher rather than normal. So I saw the affinity to the subject.

An easy band-aid that can be applied to this is to add a sentence to the end of your posts. This sentence could explain that you don't mean to be harsh towards the person, but you just feel strongly about the matter. Mention that you care about the issue and them and don't want them walking away confused about your views, or knowing less than they should.

In 90% of cases, you can easily just slap this on, whilst leaving the original conversations completely the same. This is because most people just need to hear confirmation that you are only trying to help. Then there is no doubt you are trying to overpower them.

Despite of having to go to great lengths to make this "understandable", it's important to think that also many people have assosciated corrections or a reality check, as a full on assault or something.

This is something people should understand by default, but we are dealing with people accustomed to trolling levels like Reddit so the atmosphere of the forum may be completely foreign.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

No, but it is a personal issue I try to fix in myself. I always have the impulse to overly overpower every situation, and sometimes I can unconciosly tend to be more like a "screaming teacher" and too tougher rather than normal. So I saw the affinity to the subject.

An easy band-aid that can be applied to this is to add a sentence to the end of your posts. This sentence could explain that you don't mean to be harsh towards the person, but you just feel strongly about the matter. Mention that you care about the issue and them and don't want them walking away confused about your views, or knowing less than they should.

In 90% of cases, you can easily just slap this on, whilst leaving the original conversations completely the same. This is because most people just need to hear confirmation that you are only trying to help. Then there is no doubt you are trying to overpower them.

Perfect, you also helped me in the past on related health problems, I appreciate you.

 

[Henu the Great]

Always got to stay improving.

Thanks.

 

[Blackdragon666]

Thank you for this. I will be taking care not to potentially push away a legit new member. Most of us also had the same attitudes, mental programming and circumstances when new but because of someone's kindness we are much better today and are stronger.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I want to know if this post is relevant to how in my opinion, problematic behavior & mentality should be addressed. Examples of it I'm sure you've seen.

My behavior can change if you think it's toxic but to be completely honest, I think not addressing problematic behavior, even taking into account all the temporary toxicity it creates, is worse than letting delusion, arrogance and stupidity fester indefinitely. But it's your decision.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I want to know if this post is relevant to how in my opinion, problematic behavior & mentality should be addressed. Examples of it I'm sure you've seen.

My behavior can change if you think it's toxic but to be completely honest, I think not addressing problematic behavior, even taking into account all the temporary toxicity it creates, is worse than letting delusion, arrogance and stupidity fester indefinitely. But it's your decision.

This post is about correct methodology in treating newbies and new people. We need to keep improving our methodology of communicating our points.

We might as well call this reddit shock, but many people coming here from other places are adjusted to another ways of communication etc which may look like total cancer trolling here. But they may not be...As these actually constitute the way people tend to be nowadays.

So, "knocking sense" in a brutal fashion seems to rarely have any desired effect for any party involved. It acts as a further deterrent that helps nobody.

It could be worse than letting delusion, arrogance and stupidity fester as you say, but it is not much better in that in itself this is not providing the perfect solution. Ie, an exhuming of sorts may not teach a newbie if not having a constructive character for reasons described above.

I think only in serious cases of major retardation/delusion, where these post a viable danger to the community [and are not part of a random statement or ordinary lax communication] one should go over the extreme extents to put things in their place. This is rarer than the consistency when it occurs.

This post is open for conversation and opinion exchange on said methodology.

 

[Jack]

What is this in reference to ? Did something particular happen, promting the High Priest to make such a post ?

 

[High Priestess Lydia]

I feel this is an important post/topic. It is so true what you (HP Cobra) said, about some people not having good social skills. Also keep in mind English is not everyone's first language. Plus, cultural differences, one thing can mean something completely different to someone else.

When I was new, I was giving advice to someone, something about one of the attributes of a Goddess, and I accidentally used the wrong word (fallacy of speech instead of eloquence and flair for words, Bune's description, I can't believe I still remember that!). A more experienced member really verbally attacked what I said. I'm glad I'm impervious to things over the internet and I shrugged it off (yet evidently still remembered the incident). But some people are different. We have members here who grew up in abusive families, being called "stupid" and "useless" by their parents, and so on. This makes a person much more sensitive to negativity and criticism.

I think that anytime someone sees something they deem as stupid or troll-like here, perhaps they should just not reply, and leave it for someone else. Or maybe take the time to formulate a more "polished and professional" reply. It might seem a bit bland and lacking in personality, but it will be of help to someone who is lost.

These forums are our social life. But we also have a responsibility as all of us here are the elite, who have the knowledge and experience, so we should take it upon ourselves to go out of our way to help those who are new. Even if they don't seem to you like they are legit or have any Satanic potential, for all we know, they could be full of potential and will do much for Satan, they just need a helping hand and some extra guidance to get there

 

[Username]

In regards to this, I don't think that I have been good or consistent.
I let my feelings take over and completely ignore if it would go against Sir Satan's wishes. Its like I completely block it out. There have also been times when I want to post something but I don't, considering many things.
Also, I turn on and off. Following a schedule to post on the forums to help other SS but can't hold on for long. This has happened two times.

However, I will persist and be better from now on. I shall not treat helping other SS lightly as I have been.

 

[Egon]

This and the other extreme of people who bash adult healthy homosexuality, because they know all what is "natural" and screw if the JoS teaches otherwise. I don't even read this type of threads anymore, my compliments to people who have the ability to go on auto-mode and answer to this like it was nothing.

I'm not exactly sure how to interect with someone saying kids should be able to transition by giving them pills to stop their hormones, other than telling them to fuck off. These kind of people I'd put them in mental institutions if it was up to me.
How am I supposed to act "balanced" and "constructively" with such pests?

I personally don't even think this applies to the thread and the issues written about here, as this is nothing really constructive, positive, for Satanism, or for anyone's benefit.

 

[Henu the Great]

I came here begging for help and was bullied and gaslighted and called a rat, fed, crazy, all sorts of names sir lmao wtf, and when i stood up for myself they used my reaction as blame as to why they treated me curel. im so mind boggled rn.

You have received advice which will work for you when you apply it in correct fashion. It's up to you to work on yourself and better yourself, no one else can do this for you.

You are correct that there has been numerous cases where apporach was not very polite, to say the least. There are many aspects that count into this, but in the end it is best to focus on what matters and not let unneccessary posts make you go grazy or whatever.

I hope you don't continue you saga of drama on this topic as this is not about you specifically.

 

[Necrorifter]

I can safely assume that post with psychic vampirism is but one of many reasons to bring up this point. and I agree with you, I was surprised when I was reading posts from various members. I can only assume the reasons you didn't intervene because this means to test/trial/reminder/consequence when one gives in to something akin to hatred and attack other. The only thing that could have easily solve this is to just post helpful advice.

I understand we have troll and fedposter and stuff. But in this case, could it not be better if one just ignores the bait lest one make themselves look bad in eyes of newbies. But also we are Satanists that are meant to think of not just the present but of the future.

Even if it was bait and likewise, helpful advice is great, because if it is useless for baiter, it can be useful for future newbies who may have similar questions and come across your post and walk away satisfied with their knowledge and improving themselves rather than see you screaming and accusing and become afraid and wondering if Christianity and other are right about satanism be evil and all that.

We live in times where people judge all based on the action of a few, after all, if fedposter and the like are truly bad, then HP holds the right to ban them, so it is not really up to us to get into an argument and accusing but to just post helpful advice and ignore them in case future members come across your advice when they need it. What they do with knowledge is up to them, they will get consequences to depend on what they sowed, just like our Gods doesn't go around and punishing people for their bad deeds and instead let nature run their course as they will reap what they have sown.

So just post helpful advice and then ignore them, nature will run its course and they will disappear either by been banned or by be disliked enough that they are automatically ignored and have to make a new account to pretend to be newbies or advanced members that happen to observe beforehand and only just now join us by making a new account, etc.

Hopefully, my line of thinking on this matter is correct, but if it is not and is in errors, can you please enlighten me so I may learn and improve myself for future encounters.

 

[ManofZeus]

Makes sense. I remember recently I attacked a new Comer on the forum who claimed to be a grandmaster of somewhere , HP Hoodedcobra666 cautioned me and I understood perfectly.
Not only total novices will come here but some "self glorified gurus of powerless limbo" will try coming here, let's outmatch them with wisdom not verbal violence.,and with Power.
"POWER IS FELT NOT TALKED ABOUT" - HP Hoodedcobra666.
HAIL SATAN FOREVER!

 

[MrIntrepid]

I'm one of those people who is extremely blunt and judgmental because of the character traits I've been dealt by my chart. Simply going to shut up and ignore it when I feel like someone is screwing around because while it bothers me, it doesn't bother me enough for me to go around causing a bunch of unnecessary chaos.

Besides, I'm not perfect either. I just think I am.