Astrology doesn’t make sense to me

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

The idea that planets and constellations influence how we’re like and what happens to us doesn’t make much sense. I say this as someone who has a good intuition and in touch with my right-brained side, so I don't think it's an issue of left-brain imbalance. Astrology doesn't "feel" correct to me either.

How is a group of stars/planets X light years away somehow influencing whether I’ll have a career in this position or whether i have good relations with this or that group of people? What exactly in the planet/star is influencing my personality and life?

What’s the science behind this, spiritually speaking?

Also, why stop at the Planets in our Solar system, our Sun and our moon, and the 12 Zodiac signs? Shouldn't every star in the Milky Way or in the universe even somehow have an affect on my life? We don't even consider all the celestial objects in our Solar system. There are 274 moons orbiting Saturn. Jupiter has 97. They should all have an influence on my life too, right? So a constellation dozens of light years away has an effect on me but Saturn's moons don't? Perhaps they do and we just don't know much about it?

The interpretations are also super vague. I've put down random natal chart dates and hours and could see my life described by them as well. They're about as accurate as my natal chart, some things right, others wrong. Almost everyone has good/bad relations with their parents, or feel confident/shy at times. This can all be explained by genetics and environment form my point of view, as well as probabilisticly speaking, everyone will have good/bad times just by chance alone. It doesn't seem like anything profound is being revealed to me here.

Unless of course, the planets/stars aren't the actual powers themselves but symbolic descriptions of higher powers we can't measure?

Perhaps I've misunderstood astrology, how is it meant to be seen or learned? Is it just an advanced form of omen reading, and the planets/stars aren't meant to be taken literraly as the actual powers behind "fate"?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I've asked this before anonymously:

Astrology - #75779 Astrology/Divination doesn't make sense to me

The idea of Astrology, that you can make human/animal shapes or some other object from a random collection of burning gas balls in the sky and this somehow determines human fates/personalities makes no sense to me at all. It sounds completely illogical. It's like throwing a bunch of bones on the...

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I don't think any of the answers were truly satisfactory for me. Perhaps it hasn't clicked for me yet on how it all works. Also I don't think anyone explained how it worked in detail. I'm naturally very skeptical, especially when it comes to things like divination/astrology, and how these things somehow relate/influence someone's life.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I've tried to believe in it and apply it to my life, but if I don't understand how it works, I don't think I can genuinely accept it as true.

Is it the light of the stars? The gravity of the planets? Something that can't be measured by the tools we currently have? What's actually the "force" behind these celestial bodies that influence the lives of people according to astrology, down to minute details in the future even?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

If it really just is "energy", whatever that means, then shouldn't every planet and star in the universe influence us, making the interpretations we have a very small fraction of celestial influence in our lives?

 

[Citorro]

I can relate to you. I’ve thought a lot about the questions that you’re asking as well. So as someone who’s been a skeptic but now works with astrology, here’s what I have to say to you

The way I see it, the planets are energy points of the universe in a similar way that the chakras are energy points of our body, at a much larger scale. Because energy affects energy and everything is connected in the universe, other planets and stars probably have influence over us. But the planets and stars that we’re familiar with are closer to us, meaning they have greater energetic pull over our lives. Humans have always understood this, forming relationships with the Gods and understanding their associations to these points of energy. Where we are at as a mass consciousness now, there is much uncertainty about how to reconcile all of this information that we have gathered. Much of the stories about the zodiac signs across Greece, India, China, ex were created as allegory to understand the energies associated with these stars and planets. Sure the constellations can be viewed as ‘animals,’ but what does this really mean? Those who came before us created associations like this because they were easy to understand, and relatable. Everyone knows that a ram (Aries) loves to charge ahead and ‘ram’ it’s opponent. How can that relate to your life? Are there times that you dive headfirst into something with a lot of energy?

You feel the same way as I do that natal charts with those descriptions ‘If your Mars is in Capricorn, you’re a terrible person’ are bs It is not our purpose to have our life dictated by energies from the planets and stars. But, what they can do is provide insight into what kinds of energies affect your life; the 12 houses. These are the domains of the 12 signs. Trust your intuition before ANYONE else, especially when reading your chart. The descriptions that you read for your ‘career,’ ‘love,’ ‘wealth’ are written for the masses. You are a Zevist, you have access to knowledge that can help you.

I challenge you to look at your own natal chart without skepticism, contemplate what it means for you. If you don’t believe it, it won’t do anything for you. If you search for the meaning and reflect on how it could apply to your life (what you’re struggling with, what your strengths are), you can apply the knowledge in a meaningful way. Your chart is not final. You are a living, breathing person who is influenced by the planets and stars each and every day. When a planet goes retrograde, when the moon passes through the zodiac signs, all of these energies affect you. It’s up to you whether to tune in or not.

Find where your sun is in your natal chart. This is your ego, how you present yourself to the world, the kind of person you are externally. The sun passed through this constellation when you were born, illuminating it, passing it’s powerful rays through these points of energy. Maybe you agree with your Sun placement, maybe you don’t. It doesn’t matter at the end of the day; it simply is an accumulation of energy that you can choose to work with, or not. The Sun sign is considered the only zodiac sign that even matters to most people, and it is usually the easiest to see when looking at someone. There are so many more layers to you, and they all connect to each other. No placement is the same. Your rising sign is you as a person, your soul, the energies initiated when you were born. The Sun is the physical manifestation, while the rising sign is the spiritual manifestation. And the other planets can point you to potential challenges, strengths, and more in your life.

I hope this helps your quest to understand astrology!!

 

[AFODO]

Mass is energy, theoretically there is so many energy in just the human body that it could shatter Earth. The physical and spiritual are deeply interwined, like two face of the same coin.
Planets work similarly to crystals, except they have many components and much larger, and they are very fundamental for our souls and existence. They are not just some random objects completely separated floating in space or something, our souls is literally governed by them and have the same energies in it these planets radiate. They were perfectly designed by Gods, they are not random at all and were not created by chaos.

All of these are hard to grasps if one does not meditate. At this point why would you even believe programming energies and it manifesting is real? Same concept.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

I've tried to believe in it and apply it to my life, but if I don't understand how it works, I don't think I can genuinely accept it as true.

Is it the light of the stars? The gravity of the planets? Something that can't be measured by the tools we currently have? What's actually the "force" behind these celestial bodies that influence the lives of people according to astrology, down to minute details in the future even?

Hello. What you are asking is basically, what is the bridge between astronomy and astrology, how do they complement each other and what is the connection between each other.

In mainstream science (i.e, the andrapoda science, the internet science) there is almost no recognition of any astrological phenomena and astronomy is exclusively dedicated to the physical properties of planets and other bodies. What astronomy does is measure the movements of planets, the two measurable types of energies they generate (kinetic and potential energy), their location, orbits, predictions, magnetic fields, physical components (what types of rocks, gases, nuclei are they made of etc). There is nothing in mainstream astronomy that would pinpoint to any astrological property of a planet and this is done deliberately for centuries. Also because humanity has lived in absolute materialism since christianity has taken over, we have never developed the science and technology to observe and measure any spiritual or non-physical phenomena. We only have tools to measure what is visible and physical. For example we recognize dark matter exists and it represents the vast majority of the matter in the universe but nobody has any clue what dark matter is.

I do believe as time goes and once enemy influence diminishes, formal and serious scientific research will be done either by us Zevists or scientists in general to close this gap between astronomy and astrology and unveil the connection between them. Even if someone attempted to do this at this moment, all that will happen is ridicule and mockery from the mainstream science circles.

If it really just is "energy", whatever that means, then shouldn't every planet and star in the universe influence us, making the interpretations we have a very small fraction of celestial influence in our lives?

No because, even in physical terms, stars and bodies that are too far away from Earth do not have the power to influence it due to the distance. Think of the environent in the immediate proximity of a nuclear explosion. The radiation following the explosion is going to influence the immediate environment for a certain radius but living beings that are far away enough from it are not going to be influenced in any way even though the energy of the radiation itself is very powerful.

If you look at the Rigel star in the Orion for example, it is almost 80 times bigger than the Sun, 21 times heavier, almost twice as hot and yet, its influence on Earth compared to the Sun based on our astrological understanding is minimal or almost non-existent, because whilst the Sun is around 150 million kilometers away from us, Rigel is around 773 light years away.
Just 1 light year is 9.46 trillion kilometers so I let you do the conversion.

I believe that is why the Sun and the planets in the Solar system have this energetic influence on Earth, because in comparison to anything else they are extremely close to Earth and ”their energy” is much more potent for this reason and not that they are ”stronger” than other stars or planets. Now why and how each planet has the properties we know they have (Sun governs power, finances, money, Venus governs love, beauty, Jupiter represents luck etc.) I personally believe we have gotten this understanding from the Gods initially but also because astrology is a science in itself (just disregarded by the ”official science”), astrologers who are versed into it are also able to figure out what aspects each planet governs over. Astronomy and astrology individually are very complicated and complex already, to master both and establish the connection between them once and for all is something an extremely small number of people are ever going to be capable to do, and also to explain it in simple terms that most people can understand (because as I said, both are very complex and most people understand neither of them) but I strongly believe it will happen. I think this understanding was much better grounded and widespread in ancient times especially among the ancient Greeks and Egyptians who are historically reknown for their knowledge in math and astronomy, think here for example the location of the Giza pyramids and their association with the Orion belt

From Wikipedia:
Orion's Belt superimposed on the Giza pyramid complex, illustrating the Orion Correlation Theory. From left to right:

• Alnitak on the Great Pyramid of Giza
• Alnilam on the pyramid of Khafre
• Mintaka on the pyramid of Menkaure

The corners of the pyramids are all aligned with the cardinal points, the pyramids are "oriented" towards Orion - I believe what this means is that, the tips of the pyramids are pointing towards the Orion constellation during the time of the night (or day, depends of the period of the year) when the constellation is in the "middle of the sky" so to say, perpendicular to Earth, you can see the movement of Orion on the sky from Giza using astronomy software like Stellarium which is based on decades of astronomical observations and calculations from satellites and related. Makes me think that the Pyramids were intended to collect energy from Orion in a similar way solar panels collect solar radiation/sunlight and convert it to electricity (obviously that's not why the pyramids would collect energy from Orion but for other reasons). Do you think they did that out of superstition? The reasons behind the Pyramids as an example were both motivated by astronomy and astrology and there are many such examples from the ancient world.

 

[FancyMancy]

Astrology is complex. Consider that our Physical Bodies are a bunch of Energy fields held together in certain patterns and configurations - each organ has its own and blood has its own, etc, and the Planets and the Sun and the Moon are much larger bunches of Energy fields in other certain patterns and configurations. Our Bodies, our genes, vibrate (which helps to 'generate' our Aura); the Planets vibrate. These vibrations, and how they interact like tea and milk in water, or coffee and milk in water, or ingredients in a cake, all swirling together, all interact in many different ways repeatedly. We are slathered in vibrations from the Planets, we are caked in it, we drown in these interactions. As they vibrate, the vibrations ripple through Space to Earth and like a ball in a pinball machine we are energised in different ways, all of which interact. Take Chladni figures, and consider the Planets so much greater in influence upon us.

Chladni Figures/Plates

Chladni Figures/Plates

Chladni search https://ancient-forums.com/search/461012/?q=Chladni&o=relevance

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The Energies that we have in our Souls from previous lives all add-up and build-up, and interact more and more. Naturally, some win and others lose, which is part of why we have successes and failures - but we also have choices. When you vibrate the Chladni plate enough, and in certain ways, at certain frequencies, then things settle and other things become settles and others are still settling; then we we vibrate the Chladni plate in a different way at a different frequency, it changes; we use meditations to offset and reset and correct vibrations, both within ourselves and also in our environments and the World around us, so that we exist in better patterns, despite, in spite of, and regardless of the Astrological/Natal dominance that used to be over us. Take my copper, silver and gold coin analogy (below) - we start somewhere, and we improve over time until we get better.

I think my reply here would be helpful. It is about a collection of bronze, silver and gold coins and replacing the lower denominations with higher denominations and better things, in an analogy. It is important to not push ourselves too far too quickly when increasing ourselves for the better; that can be worse for us. A careful, steady pace, but pushing ourselves to maybe 110% or there abouts which is not dangerous or uncomfortable for us, can be good. 110% is just an example. The specific numbers are individual, of course. Fake it 'til you make it, carefully.

 

[Silverfire]

I love seeing these threads as I'm learning to apply astrology to my life and workings more thoroughly, and to be capable of independently figuring out the planet and signs through observation of the sky.

 

[Hs666]

The idea that planets and constellations influence how we’re like and what happens to us doesn’t make much sense. I say this as someone who has a good intuition and in touch with my right-brained side, so I don't think it's an issue of left-brain imbalance. Astrology doesn't "feel" correct to me either.

Personal ideas do not count in universal mechanisms; they do not conform to human thinking in its “lower” states, but have their own function according to their “order,” where human beings must adapt.

Intuition needs a clear channel connected to the right source. Otherwise, errors of “evaluation” and “perception” will be the order of the day.

Superior beings claim that astrology is functional, so your intuition is incorrect, both logically and intuitively.

How a group of stars/planets X light years away somehow influencing whether I’ll have a career in this position or whether i have good relations with this or that group of people? What exactly in the planet/star is influencing my personality and life?

What’s the science behind this, spiritually speaking?

The answer lies at a metaphysical level. Mainly symbolism and the subconscious. The explanation of the “connection” between the mind, body, and universe is too vast to write about realistically. In short, transits and planets act through the human psyche, being “the same thing.”

Also, why stop at the Planets in our Solar system, our Sun and our moon, and the 12 Zodiac signs? Shouldn't every star in the Milky Way or in the universe even somehow have an affect on my life? We don't even consider all the celestial objects in our Solar system. There are 274 moons orbiting Saturn. Jupiter has 97. They should all have an influence on my life too, right? So a constellation dozens of light years away has an effect on me but Saturn's moons don't? Perhaps they do and we just don't know much about it?

The moons of Saturn or Jupiter are nuances of the function of the planet itself.

The symbolism imprinted in the psyche does not contain the entire universe. A planet that is too far away, for example, has too little “connection” on a metaphysical level, to the point that its influence is minimal or even absent.

This opens up another discussion, namely that in the stages of evolution this could create other “connections” and new influences, but let's keep the topic “dry” for the moment.

The interpretations are also super vague. I've put down random natal chart dates and hours and could see my life described by them as well. They're about as accurate as my natal chart, some things right, others wrong. Almost everyone has good/bad relations with their parents, or feel confident/shy at times. This can all be explained by genetics and environment form my point of view, as well as probabilisticly speaking, everyone will have good/bad times just by chance alone. It doesn't seem like anything profound is being revealed to me here.

Unless of course, the planets/stars aren't the actual powers themselves but symbolic descriptions of higher powers we can't measure?

Perhaps I've misunderstood astrology, how is it meant to be seen or learned? Is it just an advanced form of omen reading, and the planets/stars aren't meant to be taken literraly as the actual powers behind "fate"?

Astrology is the most complex divination tool that exists, and reading a chart cannot be done by just anyone. This is also the reason why the clergy does not approve of “random” people offering astrology services.

Surely your current understanding of astrology is incorrect, for obvious reasons. You were denying yourself and human beings with the statement “astrology is meaningless and untrue,” which is like saying that human beings are meaningless and unreal.

However, this discipline requires an adequate spiritual level. Therefore, misunderstanding and partial understanding of it is “normal.”

Astrology is an impressive tool.

 

[Satan golden red ninja666]

The idea that planets and constellations influence how we’re like and what happens to us doesn’t make much sense. I say this as someone who has a good intuition and in touch with my right-brained side, so I don't think it's an issue of left-brain imbalance. Astrology doesn't "feel" correct to me either.

How is a group of stars/planets X light years away somehow influencing whether I’ll have a career in this position or whether i have good relations with this or that group of people? What exactly in the planet/star is influencing my personality and life?

What’s the science behind this, spiritually speaking?

Also, why stop at the Planets in our Solar system, our Sun and our moon, and the 12 Zodiac signs? Shouldn't every star in the Milky Way or in the universe even somehow have an affect on my life? We don't even consider all the celestial objects in our Solar system. There are 274 moons orbiting Saturn. Jupiter has 97. They should all have an influence on my life too, right? So a constellation dozens of light years away has an effect on me but Saturn's moons don't? Perhaps they do and we just don't know much about it?

The interpretations are also super vague. I've put down random natal chart dates and hours and could see my life described by them as well. They're about as accurate as my natal chart, some things right, others wrong. Almost everyone has good/bad relations with their parents, or feel confident/shy at times. This can all be explained by genetics and environment form my point of view, as well as probabilisticly speaking, everyone will have good/bad times just by chance alone. It doesn't seem like anything profound is being revealed to me here.

Unless of course, the planets/stars aren't the actual powers themselves but symbolic descriptions of higher powers we can't measure?

Perhaps I've misunderstood astrology, how is it meant to be seen or learned? Is it just an advanced form of omen reading, and the planets/stars aren't meant to be taken literraly as the actual powers behind "fate"?

In simple terms everything has a vibration and it all influences each other
The stars are filled with light energy
Our heart beat is a vibration

 

[Silverfire]

Does anyone have any opinions on whether or not this "3-I Atlas Comet/Asteroid" has any effect on astrology? I read that some astrologers use Halle comet etc.

 

[Devilinside]

The idea that planets and constellations influence how we’re like and what happens to us doesn’t make much sense. I say this as someone who has a good intuition and in touch with my right-brained side, so I don't think it's an issue of left-brain imbalance. Astrology doesn't "feel" correct to me either.

How is a group of stars/planets X light years away somehow influencing whether I’ll have a career in this position or whether i have good relations with this or that group of people? What exactly in the planet/star is influencing my personality and life?

What’s the science behind this, spiritually speaking?

Also, why stop at the Planets in our Solar system, our Sun and our moon, and the 12 Zodiac signs? Shouldn't every star in the Milky Way or in the universe even somehow have an affect on my life? We don't even consider all the celestial objects in our Solar system. There are 274 moons orbiting Saturn. Jupiter has 97. They should all have an influence on my life too, right? So a constellation dozens of light years away has an effect on me but Saturn's moons don't? Perhaps they do and we just don't know much about it?

The interpretations are also super vague. I've put down random natal chart dates and hours and could see my life described by them as well. They're about as accurate as my natal chart, some things right, others wrong. Almost everyone has good/bad relations with their parents, or feel confident/shy at times. This can all be explained by genetics and environment form my point of view, as well as probabilisticly speaking, everyone will have good/bad times just by chance alone. It doesn't seem like anything profound is being revealed to me here.

Unless of course, the planets/stars aren't the actual powers themselves but symbolic descriptions of higher powers we can't measure?

Perhaps I've misunderstood astrology, how is it meant to be seen or learned? Is it just an advanced form of omen reading, and the planets/stars aren't meant to be taken literraly as the actual powers behind "fate"?

For me I never believed in the mainstream sorta stuff you see. You know the type of thing, a magazine telling everyone, the blanket stuff that wasn't personalized in anyway. It always bothered me greatly because there wasn't enough of a constant change in life/proof, and if there was than why didn't everyone follow it to the letter?

That alone was proof enough because it felt just like how xians claim they've always been oppressed yet are always, ALWAYS, in power in some way shape or form.

However after you've see your personality splayed out for you from https://astroapollo.org and you research and see the interactions than you get a pretty good understanding there is something there; but let's not go with that because instead let's go with fields.

Magnets are known to the modern world as real but go back just a half century and you'll see that people might be astounded by such a thing. You magically able to move something without touching it. Now for a massive planet like Jupiter even getting "nearish" it will literally drive you insane. The iron in your blood would start moving around rapidly and compress WILDLY in a way that would kill you pretty fast and painfully. This is merely just a single type of wave that is created from such a "monster" of materials.

What we see is very little of reality as provable by thermal radiation. An ice cold block of water is still actually "hot" and produces thermal radiation because anything above absolute zero makes such radiation. To you it's cold but to the universe it's moving. This might not seem like it matters much but than take in example the myriad of waves unseen to the human eye and know everything is mathematics.

Sure we "know a lot" but also know very little. DiscipleoftheSerpent taught me that carbon has 6 protons 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, and while this doesn't seem like much to those who wanna deny it does make 666. All elements, materials, concepts and such can be provable by math but at some point it's truly exhausting to explain to someone.

Suffice to say you can map out peoples lives and deaths based on the system of astrology and also can place it in your own life. Going back you can notice things that have happened if you're old enough, and if not give it time.

After all why WOULDN'T it influence you? What is consciousness and empathy and love and beauty and all these different things you innately understand but can't really explain? You would offer up right brain wisdom if you know to say it but you don't really know. Not the likes of us who haven't made it their mission in life to understanding it, but there are those who have devoted their lives to these topics and allowed us to understand things in reference to them.

Great works of art to move us and help us see beyond just our eyes, art that moves you in an unexplainable way, and for those who delve into the art of Astrology you get to see the results of their works. We can't share personal information because it's a weapon to be used against you but those who see their planets in their first house and how it has effected them can plainly give themselves over to it.

Maybe for you it just doesn't click, and that's ok. For me Numerology and Astrology attract me greatly but maybe your more the earthen type. Try to make a note of your year and put in the effort to see what may or may not happen and see how things interact. Only warning is careful of Saturn and respect it's might. If for nothing else always look to what it is transiting to know what your life is going to be like so you can prepare.

Outside of that I would say take how humans are to ants. We literally are titans like no other to them and change entire "universes" for them. Cranes trains and planes all affect them but they can't fully understand it, and in life even we have such things. It's kinda like accepting something even if you know you don't fully get it yet because you know it has meaning.

Can you fully explain gravity and why it even exists? You can cite some equation but that's childs-play, explain WHY and how it exists without any math, and you'll find you can't. You can only explain it's effects and say it has to exist cause you see such a thing as provable. You know that if someone throws ice cream off a cliff it's gonna splatter on the ground, but you can't exactly say WHY other than you know. Astrology is sorta like that in many ways. Until you become a truly wise person you can't know and once you are there you'd never tell anyone else because that takes away the "fun" of learning it.

If you don't know who Flemeth is from Dragon Age there is a clip you should watch (

) . In Dragon age 2 she explains how you can't know if you can fly until you fall and she offers many such wise things like that. She seems heartless sometimes but the truth of life is that you must sacrifice for things. You can snarkily say to her that it's easy for a dragon to say, cause she can transform into one, but that's taking it literally. We as children know that we have to jump but it's foolish parents who prevent their fall from selfishness.

You are a child and you will get hurt over it but that's a good thing. You should be full of scrapes and burns and bruises head to toe for most of your whole life because it means you TRIED. What greatly glory is there than that. Now I don't mean let cars hit you but don't scoff at the kid who falls down on his skateboard because he has more courage than you. Applaud and smile, cheer them on; for that is what it means to be human.

Jump into life head on and be willing to suffer to learn it's beauty. I only wish I had such a thing in me years ago, but I was raised sheltered. Cowardice is a product of the times sadly, but don't let the not knowing stop you. Read and learn and TRY. You can prove to yourself it's real with an open mind and a heart wishing to learn.

 

[Hs666]

Does anyone have any opinions on whether or not this "3-I Atlas Comet/Asteroid" has any effect on astrology? I read that some astrologers use Halle comet etc.

Keep an open mind, and be careful, some of these events have Neptunian undertones of lower octaves.

 

[Antireligioso]

I believe that astrology is a program that connects based on an individual's birth. Studying on this site, astrology is simply REAL and true, the problem is that it remains a program that attaches itself to the soul... simply a planet like Mars, if it were not programmed by someone, would have no influence on one's life (here they wrote that Mars was even inhabited, you understand the stench of programming, how can a collection of matter...), you understand it's just a mass of matter, how can it actually influence your life, it's impossible unless there are beings who program them like enormous bombs of matter and energy.