Why does Saturn always win?

[Djinn Draconis]

I've been thinking about something, why is it that Saturn the greater malefic when conjunct or aspecting any other planet, Saturn's influence is almost always the prevailing one?

Go on any astrology website and look at the Saturn aspects to any of the planets: Venus limits the love life and money, the Sun limits the self esteem and confidence (How bizarre is that, the Sun which is a Star, which all other planets receive there energy from originally is overpowered by Saturn) the moon, limits the relations with women, the family and the emotional flow.

You see? Never do you hear of the other planets exerting their influence over Saturn, say if Venus conjuncts Saturn, Venus isn't making the Saturnian areas of life more Venusian, say the career, social status, adding a Venus touch of money gains by these areas or finding romance there. It almost definitely would be Saturn imposing his influence on the areas of life ruled by Venus.

In other words, the Venus areas of life would become Saturnian, the Saturn areas of life would not become Venusian.

Even the planets which are supposed to transcend the limitations of the physical realm, Uranus & Neptune, together ruling, freedom, liberation, transcendence, higher awareness etc. We see all the time when Saturn conjuncts these planets, he is limiting those areas of life or bringing misfortune through the things they rule.

The only thing I can think of is that either we are just looking at astrology way too negatively or since humanity has been sealed at the Soul and the energy of most people is trapped in the base chakra ruled by Saturn that because of this Saturns influence is the most dominant.

And we know Pluto is more powerful than Saturn but that's far from useful to anyone because when Pluto makes an aspect to Saturn, we only end up getting the very ugly side of Pluto manifest itself which Hell knows is even worse than Saturn.

I could be wrong but please can people with more knowledge explain.

Hail Satan!
Praise Be To Hell!

 

[ch_3_coo]

Well Saturn can be weakened by Neptune. I dated someone with Saturn conjunct Neptune and they liked to complain about how hard their life was instead of getting serious and doing something about it, I have a strong Saturn and that attitude is not something I admire in anyone.

Planets aren't really over powered by Saturn they more blend their qualities. Venus aspect Saturn doesn't necessary make you poor but it may make you stingy, like Saturn in the 2nd house. The type of aspect likely matters, someone close to me has Venus trine Saturn and he has a very healthy income. His marriage is very stable as well.

The same could be said for Jupiter, aspects to Jupiter don't change Jupiter they amplify the more personal planet.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Djinn Draconis" wrote:

I've been thinking about something, why is it that Saturn the greater malefic when conjunct or aspecting any other planet, Saturn's influence is almost always the prevailing one?

Go on any astrology website and look at the Saturn aspects to any of the planets: Venus limits the love life and money, the Sun limits the self esteem and confidence (How bizarre is that, the Sun which is a Star, which all other planets receive there energy from originally is overpowered by Saturn) the moon, limits the relations with women, the family and the emotional flow.

You see? Never do you hear of the other planets exerting their influence over Saturn, say if Venus conjuncts Saturn, Venus isn't making the Saturnian areas of life more Venusian, say the career, social status, adding a Venus touch of money gains by these areas or finding romance there. It almost definitely would be Saturn imposing his influence on the areas of life ruled by Venus.

In other words, the Venus areas of life would become Saturnian, the Saturn areas of life would not become Venusian.

Even the planets which are supposed to transcend the limitations of the physical realm, Uranus & Neptune, together ruling, freedom, liberation, transcendence, higher awareness etc. We see all the time when Saturn conjuncts these planets, he is limiting those areas of life or bringing misfortune through the things they rule.

The only thing I can think of is that either we are just looking at astrology way too negatively or since humanity has been sealed at the Soul and the energy of most people is trapped in the base chakra ruled by Saturn that because of this Saturns influence is the most dominant.

And we know Pluto is more powerful than Saturn but that's far from useful to anyone because when Pluto makes an aspect to Saturn, we only end up getting the very ugly side of Pluto manifest itself which Hell knows is even worse than Saturn.

I could be wrong but please can people with more knowledge explain.

Hail Satan!
Praise Be To Hell!

 

[ch_3_coo]

I'm in a similar situation, Saturn left my 9th and my parents aren't going to pay for more education until I decide what to do with my life. Honestly I don't like the whole college vibe, it seemed very superficial and there were a lot of jews, especially in the psychology department, students and professors.

Now transiting Saturn is conjunct my midheaven and now I feel like a failure at life and having a Capricorn emphasis doesn't help, but hopefully Saturn in the 10th will bring some focus or direction.

I feel like I'm just waiting for something to happen now. I don't want to commit to anything unless I really feel like I want it. And going to school for years to possibly end up doing something I'll probably hate for a living didn't really motivate me. I tried looking for career ideas by looking up Scorpio MC and Pluto in the 10th but I don't think I can find work as a hitman..

Also I keep finding myself in long periods of seclusion from transiting Pluto through the 12th combined with natal Neptune in the 12th.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "f.follets" wrote:

This is very true, though Saturn really is very difficult to deal with most (I'd say 80%) of the times. Taking advantage of the thread, I'll tell you guys something I've been going through.

Watching my transits a while back I thought there was a relatively good time coming, or at least a time with some accomplishments (which I was really in need) since Saturn would trine itself, conjunct Jupiter and oppose Venus simultaneously, while Jupiter would be passing near my ascendant. Traditionally, transitting Saturn conjunct Jupiter tells of major life changes, seizing responsibility for one's own life, the resolution of old lingering issues, maturation, laying philosophical and mental foundations for the years to come.

It all seemed very correct and just in time since I was just turning 18 last year and things were looking up; I planned to move to another city and start my undergrad studies, money and support from many people were coming from all sides. Old family issues, I really wanted to leave the house for some years already, also the universities there are way better than the ones where I live and it has always been very important to me to get a good curriculum. When Saturn finally hit Jupiter, I thought, even if there were hardships along the way I would have already done much of what I wanted, and the changes would settle down. What happened next was exactly everything that could most obviously go wrong.

I moved and had to put all my trust (Jupiter) in friends I had there, and their contacts, who said they'd help me. In the beginning, everything seemed perfect, but then in a very weird series of events, it turned out that almost all of them turned their backs on me, ending with my roommate (who I had helped countless times with my own money during my stay) kicking me out of the house when Saturn reached the exact opposition to Venus. All the extra money I got before I went there was pretty much lost and to get back home I had to pay almost 10 times the cost to move there (Venus ruling my money).

Also, by the time this happened, I was supposed to go through some admission exams for university, and I was simply unable to do them because I wasn't there anymore. The one I got to do came out with mediocre results and I wasn't accepted anyway, partly because I couldn't get my lazy ass (Venus-Jupiter opposition) to study hard, partly because while I was there I was so worried with other stuff I couln't really study, partly because I really believed things would go right in the end (Jupiter again). This was the most important part of it all for me and was the one that got me more frustrated (natal Saturn in the 9th house).

When I got back, I was so scarred with everything that happened that I simply shut myself from the world completely. Actually, I haven't left my house ever since I returned last november. My contacts from my hometown don't even know I returned, and I don't want them to. All my "friends" are gone, my social life doesn't exist anymore — Saturn transitting my 5th house opposing Venus in the 11th house of friends.

However, because Saturn is trining itself and Jupiter has been transitting my 12th house, I don't feel bad for this isolation; in fact, I'm enjoying it very much and using it to think and rest. Everything could have gone infinitely worse than it did, I actually feel lucky for getting out of this episode with little more than lost money and some bad memories.

This major Saturn transit made exactly everything it was meant to do: hone in my weaknesses, expose them, break them down, make me think about them and mature more than ever in a very short time. I wasn't really ready to leave my home and family, Saturn had its way of making me return; things weren't really thought out, Saturn literally made me pay for it; I wasn't responsible enough to study, Saturn didn't let me get what I wanted the most. Everything was right on my face from the beginning, even without astrology, yet I chose to see things from a foolish perspective. Saturn's lessons work like that.

I once read that Saturn is the Murphy Law planet, and there simply isn't a more accurate description; if things can go wrong, with Saturn, they will.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hoodedcobra666" wrote:

While Venus conjuct Saturn for instance can make someone have love problems...Talking with knowledge over this, I know this cannot be the only case. It can make sure to make you emotionally barren and protect you from bad love or something. Or a great love can be down to earth, centered and in due time grow into an empire. Saturn builds things of lasting value. I would say Saturn is something like a black hole/gravity principle/earth element in things. Imagine it like a black hole sucking the good out of anything. If by your behavior you can steer this black hole, it can just suck all the negativity in and in due time make things better, not worse. Saturn is a bitch and a very merciless one. Though meditation magickally seems to steer the influence on the bad things, rather than the good ones. I have Saturn making aspects into some planets that are too aspected by Venus and Moon.

All in all if one is very aware and careful, trines and conjuctions and all this can be taken an advantage in. Saturn gives you a root into the earth. Water it right and soon you will have a giant tree. But you need to be careful with Saturn. I mean sometimes, the bad side will show up and fuck you up. This is not the case in all occassions. Saturn can too be a protector and not just a destroyer, but you need to steer the aim of this huge gun on problems in your life. Also the more you meditate, the more the cleansing process takes karma out of you, therefore Saturn's influence will cease off. I have experienced until now a protective part of Saturn in what it aspects. Though its neither squares nor oppositions.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

 

[Djinn Draconis]

That is tough, I hope things get better for you. But there is a problem I have with that little philosophy at the end about Saturn causing pain for the long term good so to speak.

You see I used to look at Saturn in that kind of way too, but then I thought about it and I realized something.

The thing is we learn astrology and study the occult and meditate and empower ourselves, to get WHAT WE WANT and to not have to suffer. If we are learning it just so we can say "yeah I suffered but good can become of it, cause that's Saturn for you" this isn't an answer to life this is just a fancy explanation as to why things have gone wrong for us and this can be said even by an atheist in a less fancy way, who says something like "well we all learn from our mistakes", just without looking at planets.

What we really need is answers as to how to avoid pain always and get what we want always. I know Saturn is tough and mean and horrible and very powerful but philosophical explanations as to why it's doing this are just sort of like comfort food, real solutions has to come from the power of our own mind and soul.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "f.follets" wrote:

This is very true, though Saturn really is very difficult to deal with most (I'd say 80%) of the times. Taking advantage of the thread, I'll tell you guys something I've been going through.

Watching my transits a while back I thought there was a relatively good time coming, or at least a time with some accomplishments (which I was really in need) since Saturn would trine itself, conjunct Jupiter and oppose Venus simultaneously, while Jupiter would be passing near my ascendant. Traditionally, transitting Saturn conjunct Jupiter tells of major life changes, seizing responsibility for one's own life, the resolution of old lingering issues, maturation, laying philosophical and mental foundations for the years to come.

It all seemed very correct and just in time since I was just turning 18 last year and things were looking up; I planned to move to another city and start my undergrad studies, money and support from many people were coming from all sides. Old family issues, I really wanted to leave the house for some years already, also the universities there are way better than the ones where I live and it has always been very important to me to get a good curriculum. When Saturn finally hit Jupiter, I thought, even if there were hardships along the way I would have already done much of what I wanted, and the changes would settle down. What happened next was exactly everything that could most obviously go wrong.

I moved and had to put all my trust (Jupiter) in friends I had there, and their contacts, who said they'd help me. In the beginning, everything seemed perfect, but then in a very weird series of events, it turned out that almost all of them turned their backs on me, ending with my roommate (who I had helped countless times with my own money during my stay) kicking me out of the house when Saturn reached the exact opposition to Venus. All the extra money I got before I went there was pretty much lost and to get back home I had to pay almost 10 times the cost to move there (Venus ruling my money).

Also, by the time this happened, I was supposed to go through some admission exams for university, and I was simply unable to do them because I wasn't there anymore. The one I got to do came out with mediocre results and I wasn't accepted anyway, partly because I couldn't get my lazy ass (Venus-Jupiter opposition) to study hard, partly because while I was there I was so worried with other stuff I couln't really study, partly because I really believed things would go right in the end (Jupiter again). This was the most important part of it all for me and was the one that got me more frustrated (natal Saturn in the 9th house).

When I got back, I was so scarred with everything that happened that I simply shut myself from the world completely. Actually, I haven't left my house ever since I returned last november. My contacts from my hometown don't even know I returned, and I don't want them to. All my "friends" are gone, my social life doesn't exist anymore — Saturn transitting my 5th house opposing Venus in the 11th house of friends.

However, because Saturn is trining itself and Jupiter has been transitting my 12th house, I don't feel bad for this isolation; in fact, I'm enjoying it very much and using it to think and rest. Everything could have gone infinitely worse than it did, I actually feel lucky for getting out of this episode with little more than lost money and some bad memories.

This major Saturn transit made exactly everything it was meant to do: hone in my weaknesses, expose them, break them down, make me think about them and mature more than ever in a very short time. I wasn't really ready to leave my home and family, Saturn had its way of making me return; things weren't really thought out, Saturn literally made me pay for it; I wasn't responsible enough to study, Saturn didn't let me get what I wanted the most. Everything was right on my face from the beginning, even without astrology, yet I chose to see things from a foolish perspective. Saturn's lessons work like that.

I once read that Saturn is the Murphy Law planet, and there simply isn't a more accurate description; if things can go wrong, with Saturn, they will.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hoodedcobra666" wrote:

While Venus conjuct Saturn for instance can make someone have love problems...Talking with knowledge over this, I know this cannot be the only case. It can make sure to make you emotionally barren and protect you from bad love or something. Or a great love can be down to earth, centered and in due time grow into an empire. Saturn builds things of lasting value. I would say Saturn is something like a black hole/gravity principle/earth element in things. Imagine it like a black hole sucking the good out of anything. If by your behavior you can steer this black hole, it can just suck all the negativity in and in due time make things better, not worse. Saturn is a bitch and a very merciless one. Though meditation magickally seems to steer the influence on the bad things, rather than the good ones. I have Saturn making aspects into some planets that are too aspected by Venus and Moon.

All in all if one is very aware and careful, trines and conjuctions and all this can be taken an advantage in. Saturn gives you a root into the earth. Water it right and soon you will have a giant tree. But you need to be careful with Saturn. I mean sometimes, the bad side will show up and fuck you up. This is not the case in all occassions. Saturn can too be a protector and not just a destroyer, but you need to steer the aim of this huge gun on problems in your life. Also the more you meditate, the more the cleansing process takes karma out of you, therefore Saturn's influence will cease off. I have experienced until now a protective part of Saturn in what it aspects. Though its neither squares nor oppositions.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

 

[f.follets]

That's the funny part of Saturn. I hate the whole prospect of going to college, spending a lot of my time learning some things what I will probably disagree with and having to put up with all kinds of unwanted people. Yet I feel it in my gut that I need that to do something of my life, Saturn compels me to go through any hardship for that end. Also, Mercury conjunct the MC makes me feel education is the means to all my ends.

"I feel like I'm just waiting for something to happen now. I don't want to commit to anything unless I really feel like I want it." - this has been my Pisces MC life for years, I totally know the feeling and for me it's terrible. That's one of the reasons I thought this transit would bring me answers, force me to follow a path. At least I would have a direction, an objective, which I really needed.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "ch_3_coo" wrote:

I'm in a similar situation, Saturn left my 9th and my parents aren't going to pay for more education until I decide what to do with my life. Honestly I don't like the whole college vibe, it seemed very superficial and there were a lot of jews, especially in the psychology department, students and professors.

Now transiting Saturn is conjunct my midheaven and now I feel like a failure at life and having a Capricorn emphasis doesn't help, but hopefully Saturn in the 10th will bring some focus or direction.

I feel like I'm just waiting for something to happen now. I don't want to commit to anything unless I really feel like I want it. And going to school for years to possibly end up doing something I'll probably hate for a living didn't really motivate me. I tried looking for career ideas by looking up Scorpio MC and Pluto in the 10th but I don't think I can find work as a hitman..

Also I keep finding myself in long periods of seclusion from transiting Pluto through the 12th combined with natal Neptune in the 12th.

 

[f.follets]

Oh, but I know that, I don't see the point of suffering at all. I sincerely got the best out of this, but it won't happen again. I'll be working to avoid Saturn's issues in the future.

I just wanted to show that Saturn is very efficient in having its way, answering the question in topic "why does it win?"

Thank you by the way, with Jupiter in my first house I guess things will indeed get better.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Djinn Draconis" wrote:

That is tough, I hope things get better for you. But there is a problem I have with that little philosophy at the end about Saturn causing pain for the long term good so to speak.

You see I used to look at Saturn in that kind of way too, but then I thought about it and I realized something.

The thing is we learn astrology and study the occult and meditate and empower ourselves, to get WHAT WE WANT and to not have to suffer. If we are learning it just so we can say "yeah I suffered but good can become of it, cause that's Saturn for you" this isn't an answer to life this is just a fancy explanation as to why things have gone wrong for us and this can be said even by an atheist in a less fancy way, who says something like "well we all learn from our mistakes", just without looking at planets.

What we really need is answers as to how to avoid pain always and get what we want always. I know Saturn is tough and mean and horrible and very powerful but philosophical explanations as to why it's doing this are just sort of like comfort food, real solutions has to come from the power of our own mind and soul.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "f.follets" wrote:

This is very true, though Saturn really is very difficult to deal with most (I'd say 80%) of the times. Taking advantage of the thread, I'll tell you guys something I've been going through.

Watching my transits a while back I thought there was a relatively good time coming, or at least a time with some accomplishments (which I was really in need) since Saturn would trine itself, conjunct Jupiter and oppose Venus simultaneously, while Jupiter would be passing near my ascendant. Traditionally, transitting Saturn conjunct Jupiter tells of major life changes, seizing responsibility for one's own life, the resolution of old lingering issues, maturation, laying philosophical and mental foundations for the years to come.

It all seemed very correct and just in time since I was just turning 18 last year and things were looking up; I planned to move to another city and start my undergrad studies, money and support from many people were coming from all sides. Old family issues, I really wanted to leave the house for some years already, also the universities there are way better than the ones where I live and it has always been very important to me to get a good curriculum. When Saturn finally hit Jupiter, I thought, even if there were hardships along the way I would have already done much of what I wanted, and the changes would settle down. What happened next was exactly everything that could most obviously go wrong.

I moved and had to put all my trust (Jupiter) in friends I had there, and their contacts, who said they'd help me. In the beginning, everything seemed perfect, but then in a very weird series of events, it turned out that almost all of them turned their backs on me, ending with my roommate (who I had helped countless times with my own money during my stay) kicking me out of the house when Saturn reached the exact opposition to Venus. All the extra money I got before I went there was pretty much lost and to get back home I had to pay almost 10 times the cost to move there (Venus ruling my money).

Also, by the time this happened, I was supposed to go through some admission exams for university, and I was simply unable to do them because I wasn't there anymore. The one I got to do came out with mediocre results and I wasn't accepted anyway, partly because I couldn't get my lazy ass (Venus-Jupiter opposition) to study hard, partly because while I was there I was so worried with other stuff I couln't really study, partly because I really believed things would go right in the end (Jupiter again). This was the most important part of it all for me and was the one that got me more frustrated (natal Saturn in the 9th house).

When I got back, I was so scarred with everything that happened that I simply shut myself from the world completely. Actually, I haven't left my house ever since I returned last november. My contacts from my hometown don't even know I returned, and I don't want them to. All my "friends" are gone, my social life doesn't exist anymore — Saturn transitting my 5th house opposing Venus in the 11th house of friends.

However, because Saturn is trining itself and Jupiter has been transitting my 12th house, I don't feel bad for this isolation; in fact, I'm enjoying it very much and using it to think and rest. Everything could have gone infinitely worse than it did, I actually feel lucky for getting out of this episode with little more than lost money and some bad memories.

This major Saturn transit made exactly everything it was meant to do: hone in my weaknesses, expose them, break them down, make me think about them and mature more than ever in a very short time. I wasn't really ready to leave my home and family, Saturn had its way of making me return; things weren't really thought out, Saturn literally made me pay for it; I wasn't responsible enough to study, Saturn didn't let me get what I wanted the most. Everything was right on my face from the beginning, even without astrology, yet I chose to see things from a foolish perspective. Saturn's lessons work like that.

I once read that Saturn is the Murphy Law planet, and there simply isn't a more accurate description; if things can go wrong, with Saturn, they will.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "hoodedcobra666" wrote:

While Venus conjuct Saturn for instance can make someone have love problems...Talking with knowledge over this, I know this cannot be the only case. It can make sure to make you emotionally barren and protect you from bad love or something. Or a great love can be down to earth, centered and in due time grow into an empire. Saturn builds things of lasting value. I would say Saturn is something like a black hole/gravity principle/earth element in things. Imagine it like a black hole sucking the good out of anything. If by your behavior you can steer this black hole, it can just suck all the negativity in and in due time make things better, not worse. Saturn is a bitch and a very merciless one. Though meditation magickally seems to steer the influence on the bad things, rather than the good ones. I have Saturn making aspects into some planets that are too aspected by Venus and Moon.

All in all if one is very aware and careful, trines and conjuctions and all this can be taken an advantage in. Saturn gives you a root into the earth. Water it right and soon you will have a giant tree. But you need to be careful with Saturn. I mean sometimes, the bad side will show up and fuck you up. This is not the case in all occassions. Saturn can too be a protector and not just a destroyer, but you need to steer the aim of this huge gun on problems in your life. Also the more you meditate, the more the cleansing process takes karma out of you, therefore Saturn's influence will cease off. I have experienced until now a protective part of Saturn in what it aspects. Though its neither squares nor oppositions.

HAIL SATAN!!!!!!!

 

[tappouzumaki]

SATURN and MARS are the planets that influence our actions in the present real world.

Saturn and Mars, 1°& 2° chackras, have an opposite effect and they should be balanced.


""...the very ugly side of Pluto manifest itself which Hell knows is even worse than Saturn.""

Pluto is a great planet U__U
but like other planets it need also mars, or it will be unbalanced

""people is trapped in the base chakra ruled by Saturn""
yes, YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hail Satan!

 

[Djinn Draconis]

tappozumaki; If you don't understand what someone is saying then don't bother responding. I never said Pluto was or wasn't a "great planet" (it's actually one of my personal planets and chart ruler) just that it is more powerful than Saturn and when making certain transits or aspects etc that manifest negatively it is worse than Saturn. AND IT IS worse than Saturn and any malefic when it is doing something destructive.

Though judging from your spelling and poor application of the English language, it probably wasn't all that necessary for me to explain myself. Anyone could see your mental incompetence easily enough.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tappouzumaki" <tappouzumaki@... wrote:

SATURN and MARS are the planets that influence our actions in the present real world.

Saturn and Mars, 1°& 2° chackras, have an opposite effect and they should be balanced.


""...the very ugly side of Pluto manifest itself which Hell knows is even worse than Saturn.""

Pluto is a great planet U__U
but like other planets it need also mars, or it will be unbalanced

""people is trapped in the base chakra ruled by Saturn""
yes, YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hail Satan!

 

[tappouzumaki]

ok. sorry.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

tappozumaki; If you don't understand what someone is saying then don't bother responding. I never said Pluto was or wasn't a "great planet" (it's actually one of my personal planets and chart ruler) just that it is more powerful than Saturn and when making certain transits or aspects etc that manifest negatively it is worse than Saturn. AND IT IS worse than Saturn and any malefic when it is doing something destructive.

Though judging from your spelling and poor application of the English language, it probably wasn't all that necessary for me to explain myself. Anyone could see your mental incompetence easily enough.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tappouzumaki" <tappouzumaki@ wrote:

SATURN and MARS are the planets that influence our actions in the present real world.

Saturn and Mars, 1°& 2° chackras, have an opposite effect and they should be balanced.


""...the very ugly side of Pluto manifest itself which Hell knows is even worse than Saturn.""

Pluto is a great planet U__U
but like other planets it need also mars, or it will be unbalanced

""people is trapped in the base chakra ruled by Saturn""
yes, YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hail Satan!

 

[amber_electric]

I wouldn't say its always true, my Saturn strongly placed.... Venus and the sun are conjunct and opposition to it. Maybe I don't see it yet but the effects of the Saturn Venus aspect are directed really nicely, or were easier to overcome. Never had a problem with my love life either. I would start a relationship sometimes and start feeling restricted a week later and call it quitters. And the dude who's Wang I first got all up in the grills of the basement with was a total mistake, but...... as for the sun, nah man I hardly even see it. My dad and I aren't close and I did get a hatred for him at some point around 13 because of it but that's out. Basically I think with those two planets almost building a filter I think there are ways around Saturn. That's with dedication and meditation, I hardly notice!

 

[[email protected]]

Yeesh. I'll have my Saturn transiting my first house (AKA most of my planets) soon, maybe when I enter college.


Can attempting to absolve yourself of a certain planetary energy work? I have a feeling it's not such a good idea, and that sublimating it is much safer and natural.

Also what does Saturn Quintile Venus do? Quintiles are apparently 'quirks' that are unique to the individual. I'm guessing a quirk of such aspect would make one...shy?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Djinn Draconis" <xxrygelxx@... wrote:

I've been thinking about something, why is it that Saturn the greater malefic when conjunct or aspecting any other planet, Saturn's influence is almost always the prevailing one?

Go on any astrology website and look at the Saturn aspects to any of the planets: Venus limits the love life and money, the Sun limits the self esteem and confidence (How bizarre is that, the Sun which is a Star, which all other planets receive there energy from originally is overpowered by Saturn) the moon, limits the relations with women, the family and the emotional flow.

You see? Never do you hear of the other planets exerting their influence over Saturn, say if Venus conjuncts Saturn, Venus isn't making the Saturnian areas of life more Venusian, say the career, social status, adding a Venus touch of money gains by these areas or finding romance there. It almost definitely would be Saturn imposing his influence on the areas of life ruled by Venus.

In other words, the Venus areas of life would become Saturnian, the Saturn areas of life would not become Venusian.

Even the planets which are supposed to transcend the limitations of the physical realm, Uranus & Neptune, together ruling, freedom, liberation, transcendence, higher awareness etc. We see all the time when Saturn conjuncts these planets, he is limiting those areas of life or bringing misfortune through the things they rule.

The only thing I can think of is that either we are just looking at astrology way too negatively or since humanity has been sealed at the Soul and the energy of most people is trapped in the base chakra ruled by Saturn that because of this Saturns influence is the most dominant.

And we know Pluto is more powerful than Saturn but that's far from useful to anyone because when Pluto makes an aspect to Saturn, we only end up getting the very ugly side of Pluto manifest itself which Hell knows is even worse than Saturn.

I could be wrong but please can people with more knowledge explain.

Hail Satan!
Praise Be To Hell!

 

[amber_electric]

Dude yeah follow your instinct for sure on that middle part, for sure! I thought of deflecting Saturn's energy and for some reason it didn't sound right. Then, I recently saw something that basically confirmed it. If I read right. In the groups somewhere. But do what you feel is best I'm not TOTALLY sure. Quintiles? Yeah I bet it could, like... other aspects there too could clue one in a weeee more. I would try getting REALLY on tract with exactly what I want/need in meditation and use according squares and so on with just how I need for myself and... Work physically and mentally with the goal, along with spiritually if Im unsure or was trying to do same, it pretty much can't fail! Like, even if the goal is the answer to the q haha. An answer and fixing. (It only takes a good 20 min ritual get the answer the next day in some ways)(energy ritual, not asking for help lol I would have liked to give a way better reply for that last part. all I got is pocket lint. Sorta. Its legit! Just. The crumbs at the bottom of the jar and half a dried cookie.