Why does Emperor Julian praise Yahweh?

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

In his polemic against xians, Emperor Julian praises Yahweh and the jews. Why would he do this?

“And yet, I call the gods to witness, I am one of those who avoid keeping their festivals with the Jews; but nevertheless I revere always the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; who being themselves Chaldaeans, of a sacred race, skilled in theurgy, had learned the practice of circumcision while they sojourned as strangers with the Egyptians. And they(jews) revered a God who was ever gracious to me and to those who worshipped him as Abraham did, for he is a very great and powerful God, but he has nothing to do with you (xians).“

Brackets are my words for greater clarity.

Julian the Apostate, Against the Gallileans: remains of the 3 books, excerpted from Cyril of Alexandria, Contra Julianum (1923) pp.319-433

Did he actually say this? He does criticise the jewish religion and xianity but ultimately holds respect for Yahweh and the practices of the jews, which is odd as even the OT clearly says Yahweh wants to kill and enslave all Gentiles.

Even if Emperor Julian didn’t have access to other jewish works and deeper jewish teachings (unlikely given his political position and spiritual advancement), he should know how bad judaism is as he did study the bible deeply in his younger years. Him praising judaism and its “god” is very bizzare to me.

 

[卐 Null Sechs 卍]

If he wrote it he could have written it for diplomacy or it's a mistake in translation

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

In his personality page it says he referred to the jewish religion as "atheism" but then why would he revere Yahweh?

 

[SrivatsaKouros]

The name of "Yahweh" was stolen and corrupted from the Ancient Greek Vowels of IAOE, A Most Sacred Name of God Zeus. Here, Imperator Julian means he praises the God Zeus, not really "the god of the jews", and he is correct in saying that this Great God has nothing to do with Jews and their Christian creation.

You have to remember that the Jews deceived many people by taking many Divine symbols and terms out of context and perverting the original meanings. Even the word "Jew" comes from "IU," like in "IU-PATER," or "Jupiter." They tried to steal and hijack many divine things, including the Sacred Name of God, among many other things, and distort and corrupt them for their own perverse goals.


I suggest you read this Spectacular Sermon by our High Priest that will enlighten you more on this topic: https://ancient-forums.com/threads/about-jews-israel-jhvh-judaism.296038/

 

[GoldenxChild1]

Additionally to what SK said, at that time, Christianity was well known to be a radical Jewish sect that was dangerous because of its continuing adoption by the plebians, and eventually, aristocratic families.

In my opinion, Emperor Julian took advantage of the fact that orthodox Jews hated the Christian sect, looking for any advantage to slow the spread of this pseudo-solar religion.

Previously, no one would ever convert to the strange Jewish culture. So, Emperor Julian may have seen much less of a threat from overt Judaism to the Empire.

His mission was Imperial Paganism, while combating his main competitor: Christianity.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

he is correct in saying that this Great God has nothing to do with Jews and their Christian creation.

Emperor Julian doesn’t really use the word Yahweh in this polemic, so it’s not the name itself I’m talking about.

When I say he reveres Yahweh, I mean the god of the jews and the jewish people themselves, who he also praises in this polemic against the christians. That’s quite clear in the polemic. This is despite his criticism of the bible itself and the jewish god.

He calls the jewish patriarchs masters in theurgy.

When he says “you” he meant xians and xians only, as in the quote I cited and in the polemic, he was praising the jews for some reason and said their patriarchs were from a sacred lineage, the chaldeans (sumerians).

This would make more sense when one has read the whole “Against the Gallileans” work.

 

[DisillusionedCitizen]

In his personality page it says he referred to the jewish religion as "atheism" but then why would he revere Yahweh?

He did? That's interesting, because in the recent thread about North Korea, չ∂αяквℓσω argued that Atheism is perfect for Communism. Communism, a creation of the Jews, makes all religion and spirituality illegal, making the populace spiritually ignorant, which, as the same user notes, makes them perfect targets to be cursed and manipulated by use of psychic powers since they don't believe in the Astral realm or other things spiritually related. Since they don't believe in spirituality, Atheists tend to be steadfast and arrogant in their belief in science, which is just as susceptible to error and (unfortunately) a large amount of corruption.

I think this may explain the separation between religion and government being exploited and weaponized by Jews.

Another user, Wotan Namah, argued that separation of religion and government isn't a bad thing because it prevented indoctrination of young children and made things more fair. I argued that the Bible is a Jewish-serving book and the blueprints for Communism, and that Christianity and Islam have led people to Atheism due to too many broken promises. Granted, separation of religion and government worked initially when Christians and Muslims oppressed people on political level, but now, I don't think even that's working as effectively as it did only.

I even argued further that Christian priests and pastors and Muslim Imams have already been arrested for sexual relationships with minors, fraud, embezzlement, and other crimes, and that the protection from child indoctrination may not last long. If people looked at what was argued from that thread with just an ethical and ideological perspective, they would be right, but I looked at this from a tactical perspective.

Am I on to something, or am I wrong?

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

He did? That's interesting, because in the recent thread about North Korea, չ∂αяквℓσω argued that Atheism is perfect for Communism. Communism, a creation of the Jews, makes all religion and spirituality illegal, making the populace spiritually ignorant, which, as the same user notes, makes them perfect targets to be cursed and manipulated by use of psychic powers since they don't believe in the Astral realm or other things spiritually related. Since they don't believe in spirituality, Atheists tend to be steadfast and arrogant in their belief in science, which is just as susceptible to error and (unfortunately) a large amount of corruption.

I think this may explain the separation between religion and government being exploited and weaponized by Jews.

Another user, Wotan Namah, argued that separation of religion and government isn't a bad thing because it prevented indoctrination of young children and made things more fair. I argued that the Bible is a Jewish-serving book and the blueprints for Communism, and that Christianity and Islam have led people to Atheism due to too many broken promises. Granted, separation of religion and government worked initially when Christians and Muslims oppressed people on political level, but now, I don't think even that's working as effectively as it did only.

I even argued further that Christian priests and pastors and Muslim Imams have already been arrested for sexual relationships with minors, fraud, embezzlement, and other crimes, and that the protection from child indoctrination may not last long. If people looked at what was argued from that thread with just an ethical and ideological perspective, they would be right, but I looked at this from a tactical perspective.

Am I on to something, or am I wrong?

I've read that Soviet Union had secret psychic units, although I doubt they were connected to the Gods. The US has them too, and I'm sure Russia and China do as well. How they relate to TOZ, the Gods, the jews and the enemy is what I'm not sure about. Mossad most probably has them too but I doubt they're as powerful as the rabbis, they're likely trained by rabbis tbh.

Either way what humans without raised serpents or operating chakras can do is very limited. If the Gentile nations have psychic units that are worth anything then they would have raised their serpents and inveitably would come to our side. If not then I don't think they can do much besides remote viewing or having to compensate with technology. They'd be at the mercy of the Gods and the enemy, as well as rabbis even who are serious practioners (not your average rabbi who's basically no different than a xian priest).

The CIA has tech apparently that can put voices (or even images?) inside people's heads which simulate Divine communication. I've also heard that they hire witches for various secret purposes. They likely source them from local places or lineages with powerful magick. Anyway without the Gods they can't do much to change major events.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

He did? That's interesting, because in the recent thread about North Korea, չ∂αяквℓσω argued that Atheism is perfect for Communism. Communism, a creation of the Jews, makes all religion and spirituality illegal, making the populace spiritually ignorant, which, as the same user notes, makes them perfect targets to be cursed and manipulated by use of psychic powers since they don't believe in the Astral realm or other things spiritually related. Since they don't believe in spirituality, Atheists tend to be steadfast and arrogant in their belief in science, which is just as susceptible to error and (unfortunately) a large amount of corruption.

I think this may explain the separation between religion and government being exploited and weaponized by Jews.

Another user, Wotan Namah, argued that separation of religion and government isn't a bad thing because it prevented indoctrination of young children and made things more fair. I argued that the Bible is a Jewish-serving book and the blueprints for Communism, and that Christianity and Islam have led people to Atheism due to too many broken promises. Granted, separation of religion and government worked initially when Christians and Muslims oppressed people on political level, but now, I don't think even that's working as effectively as it did only.

I even argued further that Christian priests and pastors and Muslim Imams have already been arrested for sexual relationships with minors, fraud, embezzlement, and other crimes, and that the protection from child indoctrination may not last long. If people looked at what was argued from that thread with just an ethical and ideological perspective, they would be right, but I looked at this from a tactical perspective.

Am I on to something, or am I wrong?

Speaking of the USSR and enemy curses, Stalin was cursed to death by the most powerful rabbi of the time for attacking jewish interests. You may find this interesting:

Purim 5713: When The Rebbe ‘Killed’ Stalin

Chabad News

chabadinfo.com

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Speaking of the USSR and enemy curses, Stalin was cursed to death by the most powerful rabbi of the time for attacking jewish interests. You may find this interesting:

Part 2 of the whole thing:

If Not For Our Mordechai: When The Rebbe ‘Killed’ Stalin (Part II)

Chabad News

chabadinfo.com

This what happens when Gentiles don't spiritually advance or connect with the Gods. They're left at the mercy of the enenmy. Although I've heard that Stalin himself was a jew although I didn't find proof for that msyelf. This was also when their dead torah had power behind it, and now its power is pretty much gone.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

In my opinion, Emperor Julian took advantage of the fact that orthodox Jews hated the Christian sect, looking for any advantage to slow the spread of this pseudo-solar religion.

I do think that was the case actually. He was trying to play the jews against the xians.

 

[this_is_no_name]

In his polemic against xians, Emperor Julian praises Yahweh and the jews. Why would he do this?

“And yet, I call the gods to witness, I am one of those who avoid keeping their festivals with the Jews; but nevertheless I revere always the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; who being themselves Chaldaeans, of a sacred race, skilled in theurgy, had learned the practice of circumcision while they sojourned as strangers with the Egyptians. And they(jews) revered a God who was ever gracious to me and to those who worshipped him as Abraham did, for he is a very great and powerful God, but he has nothing to do with you (xians).“

Brackets are my words for greater clarity.

Julian the Apostate, Against the Gallileans: remains of the 3 books, excerpted from Cyril of Alexandria, Contra Julianum (1923) pp.319-433

Did he actually say this? He does criticise the jewish religion and xianity but ultimately holds respect for Yahweh and the practices of the jews, which is odd as even the OT clearly says Yahweh wants to kill and enslave all Gentiles.

Even if Emperor Julian didn’t have access to other jewish works and deeper jewish teachings (unlikely given his political position and spiritual advancement), he should know how bad judaism is as he did study the bible deeply in his younger years. Him praising judaism and its “god” is very bizzare to me.

this is actually an interesting emperor, for example did you know he wrote a letter stating that he wished to promise the restoration of a temple for the jews?

Julian, Epistle 25, To the Community of the Jews

he viewed the different religions as hellenism as the best, judaism as the second best, and finally christianity as the least or inferior to judaism. as it was an offspring of judaism which has fallen short of following the law and purification that judaism applies to it's followers.

the letter you quoted is an argument by negation kindof, "if you believe you follow the god of the jews, why do you discount the Old Testament just because of a few individuals who have not actually seen god say so."

the tldr of the entire argument that Julian and Cyrill had can be found here:

Cyril Against Julian: Traditions in Conflict

<p>When the Roman Emperor Flavius Claudius Julianus—better known to many as Julian the Apostate—perished on a Persian battlefield in 363 CE, his efforts to turn back the Christianizing currents of the Roman Empire died with him. In the final decades of the fourth century, subsequent Christian...

dukespace.lib.duke.edu

from the letter you quoted from "against the galilaeans" we see that the approach Julian had was a view shared by Plato, a common creator which created lower order immortal beings which in turn ministered to day to day events in life. an expert from your letter you quoted is here:

Now, I say, hear also the speech which Plato puts in the mouth of the Artificer of the All.

"Gods of Gods! Those works whose artificer and father I am will abide indissoluble, so long as it is my will. Lo, all that hath been fastened may be loosed, yet to will to loose that which is harmonious and in good case were the act of an evil being. Wherefore, since ye have come into being, ye are not immortal or indissoluble altogether, nevertheless ye shall by no means be loosed or meet with the doom of death, since ye have found in my will a bond more mighty and more potent than those wherewith ye were bound when ye came into being. Now therefore hearken to the saying which I proclaim unto you : Three kinds of mortal beings still remain unborn, and unless these have birth the heaven will be incomplete. For it will not have within itself all the kinds of living things. Yet if these should come into being and receive a share of life at |337 my hands they would become equal to gods. Therefore in order that they may be mortal, and that this All may be All in very truth, turn ye according to your nature to the contriving of living things, imitating my power even as I showed it in generating you. And such part of them as is fitted to receive the same name as the immortals, which is called divine and the power in them that governs all who are willing ever to follow justice and you, this part I, having sowed it and originated the same, will deliver to you. For the rest, do you, weaving the mortal with the immortal, contrive living beings and bring them to birth; then by giving them sustenance increase them, and when they perish receive them back again." 16

this seems to be slightly different from this Zevist approach to religion that I am seeing among your literature, where as opposed to a common source or a god of gods who creates lower orders of immortal beings which minister to day to day events in the world it is immortal beings which help their followers following more of a nordic god structure. please correct my misunderstandings if I am wrong here. but it seems as a deviation of the Plato view of religion, however it seems that your approach to godhood seems to be derived from neoplatonism.