Why are we allowed to eat animals?

[28teow20]

I feel a moral conviction not to do so, and I was wondering why it is permissible, as they are conscious, and it is just unnecessary torture and harm against innocent beings.

 

[Sonne [NG]]

Because this is about the order of nature. When you observe nature, you can see that animals hunt. We humans must also eat both plants and meat according to our natural way. The lack of one creates imbalance. The enemy tries to create weakness through emotions and make people drift away from their nature, because when a person is separated from it, they become weak.

Veganism, Ownership, Workers Class, Animals... And... Jews

 

[616Taysha]

well, feel free not to eat animal products. If it works for you - good

 

[28teow20]

well, feel free not to eat animal products. If it works for you - good

It is unnecessarily paying for sentient beings to be tortured though.

 

[Hs666]

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This concept derives from the enemy program, which manipulates the “weak” part of people, the emotional part, in order to harm them.

Eating animals is natural and an important part of survival. Anyone who claims otherwise is simply deluded, disrupting the natural order of things.

 

[616Taysha]

It is unnecessarily paying for sentient beings to be tortured though.

Wrong. You're confusing what jews do to animals (actual slaughter - YT: 'jewish animal slaughter') with what Humans have been doing. We don't derive pleasure from it, and we don't do it for religious reasons.

Again, no one will force you to eat animal products. Vegans need to suplement one vitamin - B12. And perhaps do your research, because you clearly haven't read the PDF.

 

[28teow20]

Wrong. You're confusing what jews do to animals (actual slaughter - YT: 'jewish animal slaughter') with what Humans have been doing.

Why make a distinction between Jews and humans?

We don't derive pleasure from it,

You likely derive pleasure from eating it. Also, if it were not ultimately pleasurable, you would not do it willingly.

and we don't do it for religious reasons.

I was told that you are permitted by the Gods to eat meat.

Again, no one will force you to eat animal products.

I never claimed they were. I am asking about a particular belief.

Vegans need to suplement one vitamin - B12.

Correct.

And perhaps do your research,

About what specifically?

because you clearly haven't read the PDF.

I have, in fact. What makes you think I did not?

 

[Emergent13]

Greetings,

The following necessary nutrients are only found in animal products;
Vitamin A, Vitamin B6 (pyridoxal), Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, EPA, DHA, Vitamin K2, Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, Taurine, CoQ10, Cholesterol, Heme iron, Zinc (bioavailable), Selenium (bioavailable), Iodine (reliable form), CLA, Collagen, Gelatin, Hydroxyproline, Proline, Glycine, Elastin, Chondroitin, Glucosamine.

It is unnecessarily paying for sentient beings to be tortured though.

I think you've watched one of those vegan documentaries. We humans don't torture or hate animals. On the contrary, our ancestors were thankful for animals and made sure not to waste a single part. They used the animals from head to tail.

The animals in the documentary are in that sad state because of factory farming, a direct result of capitalism.

When we treat animals with love, give them space, and feed them their natural diet, we get more nutritious food in return.

We can't thrive without animal products. You are not going to die, but thriving and surviving are two different things.

Please watch videos about the living conditions of animals on regenerative farms. You will see that they are not tortured.

 

[FancyMancy]

So we don't die. Before Zeus existed, Animals ate Animals. There is no morality in that. The morality comes when - as you say - Animals are tortured, which includes for sport. halal, AKA jewish shit, will die one day, and Animals, including Humans who are Animals, will continue to eat Animals.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

I have written many explanations about this. It is necessary to consume animal products for several specific nutrients that are impossible to get from plants. And there are several severe deficiencies which eventually lead to death.

One is B vitamins, which are used in the process of using ATP energy in every cell in your body. Without it, eventually all cells have no energy and are unable to do anything. This eventually leads to death.

Another problem is the myelin coating on the outside of all of your nerves, which are basically the same as the plastic insulation on the outside of a wire. This breaks down over time and will not regenerate with a vegan diet. It comes from animal fat. So eventually there are many problems with the nerves all throughout the body with electrical signals not getting where they are supposed to go to, because it is like having wires with no insulation touching and shorting out to each other. Your brain cells are also mostly made from animal fat, and with a starvation diet of not enough animal fat, eventually the brain actually physically shrinks as the fat from the brain is broken down. An example is "rabbit starvation" where if you are in the wild with no food and the only thing to eat is rabbits, even if you are eating them every day, you will still starve and die because there is no fat in rabbit meat. This fat is necessary.

Another example is calcium. It is true that dark green leaves like kale and spinach contain some calcium. But the molecule that the calcium atom is contained in is a form that we are not able to digest or absorb. So it doesn't matter how much calcium is in 100 leaves of kale if you are absorbing none of it.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Animal products are absolutely necessary. If for some reason you don't want to eat meat, it will go the longest way to helping your health and nutrition if you at least eat eggs every day or almost every day. An egg is not 100% of what you need, but it is most of it. And there is no moral reason to not eat it. You can get one from free range happy chickens, and especially better if you are in a place where there is a farm near by with fresh eggs.

Eggs, milk, and fish is a good diet. It has most of what you need. Even just eggs and milk is far better than nothing.

 

[28teow20]

So we don't die.

You will die anyway. You can survive just as well without meat.

Before Zeus existed,

Zeus began to exist? Who created Him?

Animals ate Animals.

They also killed each other and their young (lions).

There is no morality in that.

Why not? Why IS there morality in factory farming, according HPHC?

The morality comes when - as you say - Animals are tortured, which includes for sport. halal, AKA jewish shit, will die one day, and Animals, including Humans who are Animals, will continue to eat Animals.

That is descriptive, not prescriptive. Ethics are understood to be prrescriptive.

 

[FancyMancy]

Animal products are absolutely necessary. If for some reason you don't want to eat meat, it will go the longest way to helping your health and nutrition if you at least eat eggs every day or almost every day. An egg is not 100% of what you need, but it is most of it. And there is no moral reason to not eat it. You can get one from free range happy chickens, and especially better if you are in a place where there is a farm near by with fresh eggs.

Eggs, milk, and fish is a good diet. It has most of what you need. Even just eggs and milk is far better than nothing.

Yeah, eggs are one of those 'superfoods'. For anyone who doesn't know, the reason why is if we think of it this way - eggs contain all of the nutrients that are required to produce a living, breathing chick, who grows into a chicken. They are packed full of a lot of nutrients, so eating them every day is really important. I also learnt, which I believe to be true, that with a bit of debate between eating raw eggs versus cooked eggs, cooked is great, obviously and of course, but if eating raw eggs, we should make certain that they have been pasteurised and also are organic, but if in doubt, just stick to cooking eggs properly. Remember that the superfood eggs contain all of the necessary nutrients to create a living creature.

As for Animals being slaughtered, or killed because "slaughter" sounds like something out of the Saw series, a quick and painless killing is much better. As it was mentioned before about using worms for fishing, killing even them quickly and painlessly so that they, and their Soul, don't suffer is much better. Animals' Souls reincarnate quicker and easier, because they are free compared with Humans, so the quick and painless kill will not transfer to their next lives and build-up like the karmic seeds mentioned, which helps to prevent problems. Seriously - go watch some brutal Animal/wildlife documentaries of a lion sneaking up on and leaping onto a gazelle and sinking their claws and teeth into it, or go observe a pet cat teasing and tormenting their pigeon prey. Species of bird nest atop a crazily-high steep cliff or sea stack, and freshly-hatched chicks, when trying to find Mum, probably will bounce off the edge on their way down and plummet to their deaths. This is Nature. It's not moral nor immoral; it is amoral.

Animals can die from heart attack via fear or too much adrenaline and oxygen being released and the inability to 'burn off', so to speak, the increased release to help them move quickly and be more alert, if they are caught in the claws and jaws of a predator - that's brutal, honest, real, true, amoral Nature; Humans are supposed to be much more humane - a quick and painless killing of an Animal certainly is not the prolonged torture and suffering of Animals to death. Besides, if Animals were not killed for food, then they must be culled for overpopulation... which might as well be eaten anyway, which is much more respectful than letting the corpse rot and waste, and also so as to get essential nutrients from them - maybe have a celebration and hearty meal, and do a ritual for the Soul of the killed/culled Animal.

Watch brutal documentaries; observe pet cats; know, realise and accept that killing and eating Animals properly is Natural and necessary. It really is as simple as that. (That's not to say that I think I could find myself hunting Animals for food and butchering them. Just seeing things like that doesn't sit well with me. I much prefer them to be dead and plucked/skinned/whatevered already.)

 

[Henu the Great]

Why make a distinction between Jews and humans?

Because we, literally, are not the same. There is more information about this, if you are interested, but it does not suit the topic at hand, so I will leave it at that.

 

[Yurei]

Animals rip eachother to shreds in the most violent, horrific ways possible in nature all the time.

 

[OrionKrieger]

I haven’t seen anyone live with an animal free diet and be satisfied.

About the whole “animal torture and slaughter” just go to any local farm and see what actually goes on. And when an animal is slaughtered you usually knock it out or make it unconscious in some way and immediately slaughter it just so that it doesn’t suffer.

Same goes for hunting. When hunting you can’t just injure an animal and drag it with you. It’s better to land a perfect shot and have dogs (there are hunting breeds) that kill the animal you’re hunting.

And if you don’t want to eat meat, that is up to you, but please don’t neglect nutrition. Drink milk and eat eggs, and also fish. I highly suggest dairy products if you’re not lactose intolerant.

 

[28teow20]

Greetings,

The following necessary nutrients are only found in animal products;
Vitamin A, Vitamin B6 (pyridoxal), Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, EPA, DHA, Vitamin K2, Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, Taurine, CoQ10, Cholesterol, Heme iron, Zinc (bioavailable), Selenium (bioavailable), Iodine (reliable form), CLA, Collagen, Gelatin, Hydroxyproline, Proline, Glycine, Elastin, Chondroitin, Glucosamine.

You are incorrect about Vitamin A, Vitamin B6, EPA, DHA, Vitamin K12, Zinc, Selenium, Iodine, Proline, and Glycine. You are mostly correct about the rest. However, I do not see why that matters.

I think you've watched one of those vegan documentaries.

No, but I have watched vegan content.

We humans don't torture or hate animals.

Torture, yes.

On the contrary, our ancestors were thankful for animals and made sure not to waste a single part. They used the animals from head to tail.

That was true a lot of the time.

The animals in the documentary are in that sad state because of factory farming, a direct result of capitalism.

True.

When we treat animals with love, give them space, and feed them their natural diet, we get more nutritious food in return.

Also true.

We can't thrive without animal products. You are not going to die, but thriving and surviving are two different things.

That is true, but I do not have to thrive, especially if it requires harming innocent sentient beings.

Please watch videos about the living conditions of animals on regenerative farms. You will see that they are not tortured.

Okay, I will. I still find the slaughter a bit intuitively concerning, though.

 

[28teow20]

Because we, literally, are not the same. There is more information about this, if you are interested, but it does not suit the topic at hand, so I will leave it at that.

We are are both biologically human, though, no? Could you link the resources which you are referring to?

 

[Antireligioso]

I feel a moral conviction not to do so, and I was wondering why it is permissible, as they are conscious, and it is just unnecessary torture and harm against innocent beings.

 

[Antireligioso]

this discussion is complex. In part you are absolutely right, for example pigs, in terms of digestion, teeth, intestinal coils, small intestine, large intestine... are similar to humans and other animals, yet to grow up in factory farms and become a few quintals of meat... they only eat vegetables, 0 grams of meat, but they eat an enormous quantity of vegetables... I believe that everyone should follow their own soul, if someone believes that it is right to eat 4 chickens a month, he is a lion... his universe is carnivorous and exists like vegetarians... I am that everyone chooses for himself... because a vegan must impose himself on my mind and choose for me... the universe lets us choose at will, our own tastes, as long as there is no abuse, it is fine. Another matter is the Jew of intensive farming who then sells chicken for 3 euros per kg, it is a kind of animal abuse... in reality it would be fine if animals had freedom like in Reich of the Nazis.. furthermore they should let some of them free and kill fewer of them so that the racial soul of the animals is not erased (like hunting) .. and therefore their immortal consciences in their racial soul..