RED DAWN said:
This was a troll post.
I lied about some things and exaggerated others. She's fine, as far as I know. Thinking on it now, she might have actually lost her business, but we were convinced at the time she would lose it anyway. We haven't been in touch with her for at least a year.
Basically this was to see how far I could challenge people's sense of ethics and universal justice before getting literally "witch hunted". I'm done playing these bait games with the group. I've learned enough already.
I had a feeling this was the case so I almost didn't comment. The details of the story sounded unrealistic.
This is honestly ridiculous. You're effectively trying to prove that the group has common decency. I've argued against moralizing witchcraft on the forums in a general sense, and I've paid the price for voicing those opinions which actually make sense (like how it's a waste of time to try to police what people do with magick when we don't have the capability to do so). And yet, 1: there are things that are so low that nobody should stoop to, and if they do then they shouldn't expect to avoid being shamed for it in this community by humans who actually have a heart just because they are "amoral", and 2: I never said that people shouldn't be punished or face justice, but only that everyone can choose to do what they want if they are willing to face the consequences. Those who aren't prepared to potentially face punishment for their deeds (which yes, others can use their own freewill to punish you for using yours in a way they don't approve of) shouldn't carry them out in the first place.
The universe may be amoral, but humans have the capacity to create and carry out justice. We create the environments that we want to live in as a species, and then we extend outwards and make the universe a better place with higher ideals that don't exist on the animal level. When our own kind (or an alien kind) threaten those ideals, we react to them and seek to stop them. Because we generally don't want to live on an insect level where we all attack each other all day and eat each other. Food is the highest "morality" in that level of existence... is that really what you want? You won't last very long.
I believe others should create their own moral codes to live by, and do the best that they can in life (or ask to be taught ethics by the Gods if they want the true Pagan morality back). I do not believe that people should be entirely deprived of a moral code or standards. Imagine if you persuaded an entire group to be absent of a moral code like you are... lol. Then they would act how you do, and you wouldn't be having very much fun. "Amoral" types just love to swim in a sea full of other people who ARE moral (and disarmed or ignorant...) because it's easy for them, but they absolutely hate it when everyone around them starts being the same way they are. Because then all you are is meat, and you better hope you're the strongest mage around in an environment like that.
I suggest you re-evaluate what it is that you really want here. You say that you're not trying to justify yourself, but that defies your actions. You wouldn't be arguing if you weren't trying to justify yourself. If you're going to do evil shit then don't try to justify yourself because it will NEVER be justified.
The Yehuborim wrote a whole book trying to justify their crimes to Gentiles because the Yehuborim know that their true nature will never be accepted by us in our world, and so they will never be able to freely and openly manifest themselves and the true nature of their souls. So they brainwash our young, and are always trying to covertly get evil shit like pedophilia closer to being condoned. You should go read their books and join up with their organizations if you really covet this "amoral" society so badly and want to live in it (just go to any communist nation). You will get exactly that if you have your way. Have fun living in it if you do, and don't come back crying to White people (or us) if you suddenly find yourself missing our "oh so pesky" morality.