Statue

[deusexbellorum]

Has anyone else found this? Its rather interesting although the Satanic temple is atheistic... I'm rather sick of Satan's name being used to describe these atheistic philosophies. Anyway the statue is causing much of a stir in the xtian world

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... /30508189/

 

[magnum.arcanum]

Atheism is a difficult concept for me to comprehend.  They say Satanism is atheistic.  It's real simple.  Atheism is actually a religion.  They say it, negates religion, but its another religion.  And not only is it another religion, its a false religion that is blasphemous to Satan.  It's a reaction to xianity and other religions.  By negating all other religions, they have embraced the truth.  And that truth comes from the God of Materialism.  That is blasphemous to Satan.  As far as the statue goes, I think it looks awesome.  I don't see anything wrong with the statue.  Do you see anything wrong with it?

 

[the_fire_starter666]

@...: Atheism itself isn't a religion, much like black isn't a color. Black is the absence of color. Don't forget that Spiritual Satanism is atheistic in the sense that we don't believe in a monotheistic god. There is a religion though some atheists are part on and that's the scientific materialism. Which has all the qualifications of a religions like dogma, closemindedness e.t.c.

 

[call_me_something_else]

Dang. I was gonna throw in two cents but the_fire_starter666 already nailed it.

LOL!

I think the statue itself is a beautiful thing, especially considering the controversy and the pictures and all are getting millions to gaze upon the Baphomet.

Some of them can't help but consider it, meditate upon it (at least a little bit) and weigh its spiritual message within their souls.

Hail Father Satan!

 

[deusexbellorum]

Nah the statue really does look awesome, and no atheists are by definition, without religion (a belief in a higher being ie. Deities) it just bugs me that many people who are mislead believed satanists are either
A. Sacrificial barbarians filled with hatred
Or
B. Atheists who only use metaphors to describe their philosophy, such as the Lavayan Satanists

 

[centralforce6661]

The door to the truth will almost always be clouded with half truths before becoming known as it has been many times in the history of mankind.

This is a good thing. If nothing more it's a step towards fighting the tyranny of xianity over being able to express our pagan roots.

 

[magnum.arcanum]

@ the_fire_starter666

Atheism is a religion.  You were on the right track with regard to the color black being the absence of color, but then you made the statement that, "Spiritual Satanism is atheistic in the sense that we don't believe in a monotheistic God."  An Atheist is a person who "denies" or "disbelieves" the existence of either a monotheistic God, or more than one God or any deity whatsoever or even the concept of a divine being i.e. the Godhead.  So, a Spiritual Satanist cannot ever be "Atheistic in a sense"... 

Atheists believe in the God of Materialism.  Remember that the Scientific Method from which the Scientific Materialism came from, comes directly from Naturalism and Materialism.  Atheists in other words.  There is absolutely "no" spiritual aspect to Scientific Materialism and that makes it blasphemous to Satan.

An Agnostic on the other hand is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine.  To me that's just another type of materialist that worships the God of Materialism. 

Then their is the skeptic who questions the validity or authenticity of the worship of the God of Materialism.  But you can go away happy.  Not accepting Atheism as a religion makes you an Infidel in the eyes of those that worship the God of Materialism.
 


---In , <j.l3mm0n@... wrote :

@...: Atheism itself isn't a religion, much like black isn't a color. Black is the absence of color. Don't forget that Spiritual Satanism is atheistic in the sense that we don't believe in a monotheistic god. There is a religion though some atheists are part on and that's the scientific materialism. Which has all the qualifications of a religions like dogma, closemindedness e.t.c.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

@magnum_arcanum: You can be atheist in that sense because atheist can mean many things by many people. In that sense we're atheists. Many words have different meanings. A-theists can mean somebody who doesn't believe in a monotheistic god. HP Don said that in the forums in response to an atheist (in the usual sense of the word) as well. Atheists when arguing with Zevism's try to use the same arguments as when they are addressing monotheists. Except they don't work here because we don't believe in a monotheistic god, but only extraterrestrials and mind powers ans spiritual perfection. Buddhists are atheists in that sense too. They don't believe there's a monotheistic god but the universe is created and kept going by other causes like karma.
Like I said, not all atheists are materialists. I know people who are atheists in regards to a monotheistic god but admit that quantum physics proves that there are higher levels of reality. More usually agnostics do that. Agnostics aren't materialists at all, they just don't know what things are. They don't know either whether materialism or spirituality is true.

 

[magnum.arcanum]

@the_fire_starter666

What you said is essentially correct, but your definition of "Atheist" is wrong.  "Atheist in a sense" is another term all together, that really isn't a term at all and you used it to mean the same thing as Atheist.  That's how I knew you didn't know what the term Atheist really meant. 

You used the word Atheist and said that it is someone that doesn't believe in an a monotheistic God.  You can look through a dozen dictionaries and your not going to find a definition for Atheist that doesn't mean precisely what I said.  An Atheist is an Atheist and their is no other interpretation.  Their are only those that don't know it. 

Their are several ways in which a person can misunderstand a word.  A word is a concept, it comes from a dictionary and is sacred.  That's why we base are language on them. 

I don't know what HP Don has to do with this, or what unnamed passage you got that from, and I'm sure he knows what an Atheist really is, but you don't.  Having the wrong definition of what something means and being called on it can be extremely annoying, especially if the person doing it knows less about the subject material than you - but go check it out if you don't believe me.  I don't think your stupid or something because you don't know.  On the contrary.  The problem comes later when you refuse to check it out. 

Religious beliefs are not standardized anyway.  You've seen how people after becoming a Spiritual Satanist, insist on holding onto previous beliefs.  Well, people can have beliefs all over the place.  That's why its important to understand what the term Atheist really means so you can apply the correct differentiation. 

I'm not bringing it to your attention to be an asshole.  I know people that call themselves xians that are actually Agnostic Skeptics.  I know people that call themselves Buddhists, who are actually xians who believe some elements of Spiritual Satanism.  The point is, this is where religion "means many things to many people".  The term Atheistic means exactly what I said it means and is what you should use to differentiate belief systems.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

@magnum_arcanum: On the contrary, I quite clearly said that HP Don first said that in the forums that Atheist is a person who doesn't believe in a monotheistic god. In other words, that's not my own thing, but I quoted HP Don. If you bothered to read this post:
 It's Don who said that atheist is a person who doesn't believe in a monotheistic god and we're atheists in that sense.

You fail to realize that atheist can mean many things. There are many sense the word atheist can used. If you don't understand that then it's your problem.
And yes, I used to believe that atheist is one thing like you said but I realized that it can be used in many different ways by different people. There are lots of different people who use atheist in different ways. You ARE being an asshole now. YOU don't know what an atheist is, obviously. Dictionaries can't mean anything.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

@magnum_arcanum: Even if we take it according to the dictionary only, then you obviously don't know what an atheist is, not me. The dictionary says nothing about "denying the concept of godhood". This is obviously something you made up on your own. Read the definition and weep:
the definition of atheist  

 

[the_fire_starter666]

The concept of Godhood as used in Zevism is also completely unrelated to the monotheistic god or any other definitions of a Supreme being. The way we use it in Zevism is to mean a person who has supernatural powers as well physical immortality. It doesn't mean becoming a person who controls anything in the sense of a monotheistic god or even the corrupted version of polytheistic gods. Some atheists do believe we can become immortal (with scientific ways of course) and unlock hidden potential in our minds (using scientific ways again). It's pretty much the same thing. Godhood is merely a label that is used completely different than in mainstream religions. You know that Godhead in xianity means the xian "god", right?
That's why your "definition" is off. Any dictionary definitions strictly refer to either non-believing in any gods (in the sense of controllers of everything, not the way we use it here , i.e. extraterrestrials who have become immortal and have unlocked their powers) or supreme beings. None of those definitions apply to either Satan or the Gods/Demons or the concept of Godhood either because they are not spooks who are supposed to control anything.

 

[call_me_something_else]

It's all about alien technology, which most of us still have yet to understand.

Now, you two kiss and make up.

@magnum, no tongue this time, either.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

@call_me_something_else: The main reason that I replied that way because "you don't know that" is an insult to me. I prefer to be called an asshole, motherfucker or whatever else than that I don't know the thing I'm talking about. Especially if the thing originally came from a high priest which is even more authoritative source.

 

[magnum.arcanum]

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[the_fire_starter666]

If I want to make more official: Atheist definition: "a person who denies or lacks belief in a supreme being or beings". Do we believe in a supreme (i.e. omniblahblah, omni-creator and limitless) being?? No. We are positive that such being doesn't exist and never existed and that the universe always existed by itself. We deny the concept of the mainstream Godhood (i.e. omniblahblahness) as well. Such thing is impossible. So we're atheists. 
We only believe in extraterrestrial beings who have become immortal through their DNA changes and have acquired spiritual powers (that's what our definition of gods is) as well as that humanity can do the same thing as them. We don't ever believe that humanity can be omniblahblah and creators of the universe. So our when we say Godhood we mean a quite different thing from the mainstream religions. 
If a normal person wanted to call us somehow he wouldn't use the word "Theistic" because it means believer in a omniblahblah xian-like being. Rather he would call us "extraterrestrialists" or something.

 

[peliterapeutti]

Hey, when is something HUGE happening? Like could someone ask satan if something huge is hsppening? I know i should have patience, but i think we ALL who dont have enough patience would have it if we could know is satans "soon" tomorrow next month next year or 10 years.
Hail Satan FOREVER!!

 

[peliterapeutti]

So this is a little strange... a few years ago (im currently 16) i saw something in the clouds watching me and it was white as the clouds. Of course it could have been rnemy angel, but the strangest thing is that i opened my astaral vision and the third eye a few days ago:O

 

[call_me_something_else]

@peliterapeutti I guess you don't understand. The breakthrough comes from your efforts and it is your breakthrough.

 

[kyleshand]

@the_fire_starter666 Correct me if I am wrong, but I always understood us to be polytheists? Left Hand Path, Polytheists.

To me, Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence, only exists in the sense that in the Akasha principle anything is possible, literally everything we can possibly conceive of and more can be manifested in that sphere. But of course, it is not an entity or a "being" it's just the part of existence beyond, physical, astral, mental etc it's boundless, spaceless and timeless.

Not to contradict what you said, it's not an entity that demands worship like the RHP religions believe. Just adding some thought.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

@kyleshand: You're being respectful and I appreciate that The problem with polytheism is that it refers to many "forces of nature" as gods and not extraterrestrial beings. The mainstream description of polytheistic gods is of forces of nature. That's why it doesn't fit here. There are many new agers in fact who communicate with extraterrestrial beings like us and claim they're here to help humanity. They rightly don't call themselves polytheistic.
Akasha's omni-whatever you said is more in the sense that it's the source of unlimited possibilities, the "unmanifested" rather than a being who can do anything. It's not really an active force that does things, but the source of possibilities in the way Quantum Physicists describe it. The monotheistic god, even if you define him as not a being but a force, it's an active one that creates, does e.t.c. all by himself. Not some infinite source which you can use to manifest things.

 

[peliterapeutti]

What if i do the Spiritual Cleansing ritual and curse ritual more than once? Will it help our cause more?

 

[the_fire_starter666]

@peliterapeutti: Maybe but just a little bit. The rituals are posted by HP Pythia in their best astrological timing, so they won't work as much if done outside of the astrological alignment it was previously. BTW I noticed you just post on random threads things irrelevant to them. Better make a new thread of your own if you want to ask something, because it gets annoying.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

5) He twists your main point, uses the twisted version to ridicule you somehow in order to dodge/evade the main point.6)He runs around in circles.

 

[peliterapeutti]

Like i said, i cant write a new topic because i have tried like a million of messages to new topics but they wont reach the admins

 

[devilsAdvocate Nic]

  Hey, when is something HUGE happening? Like could someone ask satan if something huge is hsppening? I know i should have patience, but i think we ALL who dont have enough patience would have it if we could know is satans "soon" tomorrow next month next year or 10 years.
Hail Satan FOREVER!!

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