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Sparta and Athenian wars
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Because...Life. War is in itself, not bad, provided it's not a war between the same species, the same people, a civil war, or amongst people of the same race. Then it's a calamity.
The lamentations of the ancient Philosophers were largely around this, so long nonspiritual people hold control of the earth, there will always be ceaseless war, for the most superficial reasons.
War is a phenomenon of life, species do wage war, and war is frequent. However, if humans become more spiritual, a lot of useless suffering can be avoided.
Alexander mended the ties and evened out of this situation of incessant war, primarily because, he was enlightened. After this, the lesser people took power again, and the situation continued.
Nations do wars over a lot of reasons, and our planet has been in perpetual warfare, even stupid warfare, a lot due to spiritual downfall, rather than actual material problems. Back then, a lot of it was also material problems, such as lack in certain things or elements, which facilitated war very frequently.
The lamentations of the ancient Philosophers were largely around this, so long nonspiritual people hold control of the earth, there will always be ceaseless war, for the most superficial reasons.
War is a phenomenon of life, species do wage war, and war is frequent. However, if humans become more spiritual, a lot of useless suffering can be avoided.
Alexander mended the ties and evened out of this situation of incessant war, primarily because, he was enlightened. After this, the lesser people took power again, and the situation continued.
Nations do wars over a lot of reasons, and our planet has been in perpetual warfare, even stupid warfare, a lot due to spiritual downfall, rather than actual material problems. Back then, a lot of it was also material problems, such as lack in certain things or elements, which facilitated war very frequently.
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Sparta and Athens were the big powers in ancient Greece. The wars they fought ended when the Spartans obtained Persian aid to build the navy they required to defeat Athens. However the Athenian Empire was also weakened in campaigns against Sicily. The victory of Sparta over Greece was the end of the Spartans. The uprisings against the Spartans lead by Thebes was successful and Sparta's aristocracy was destroyed in numerous battles and Sparta was invaded and destroyed so much it never rose again. By the time of Alexander the Great who was the King of Greece the Spartans refused to send any troops to his campaign against the Persians rebelling against him. Alexander just sent them a message that told them off and left it at that. Alexander destroyed Thebes for rebelling against him. The Spartans were not worth Alexanders time they had no power.
The problem is Sparta was the worst system of ancient Greece and this destroyed them in the end. The Spartan aristocracy had to devote themselves to military training to the extreme to protect themselves from there own Helot population of serfs. The Helots uprising in Sparta lasted twenty years and almost destroyed their society. The Spartan aristocracy lived as they did because they were prisoners of their own society and the slavery it depended on. The other mistakes of the Spartans was there law of not retreating to fight again another day. This caused them major losses they could not replace if they lost a battle their army was wiped out instead of making a intelligent retreat and escaping with the army intact.
The major Greek alliance of the last battle against the Persians the Greeks had organized an army of one hundred thousand of or more troops. By the time Philp invaded Greece at Alexander's first battle the Greek alliance could only put twenty five thousand troops in the field and ten thousand or more were killed in the battle including the Sworn Band of Thebes. That is how much the wars in Greece had devastated the society. Athens was destroyed in the wars with Sparta and the population devastated in the siege by the Spartans and their philosopher ruler who built the famous temple of Athena also perished in the siege. Athens also went through a destructive civil war that wiped out entire towns and cities. Athenian Democracy was not something to role model it destroyed Athens around every several decades Athenian society would almost collapse from the corruption of the regime and a dictator would take power and stabilize society only to be run off later. The Athenian Democracy was run on political assassination, bribery, vote rigging and sophistry which today would be called fake news.
The golden age of Greece was under the rule of the Pagan Roman empire when they had the Pax Romana. When the spiritual arts of Greece could be pursued. Every Roman upper class family had a Greek tutor. And the most remembered fully ascended master in the Roman empire was a Greek philosopher Apollionus. The Greeks were the spiritual and philosophical leaders of the Roman empire. The Romans used the Greek spiritual system as well.
The lesson of Greece and the destruction of the wars was the same lesson the European emperors and royals learned after the first war which destroyed Europe and which Europe has never recovered from the effects of.
The White race can not allow the military class to be the political ruling class again nor the worthless lawyers and business class that is the current political class either. The military and merchant classes are not suited to rule the racial nations. The original ruling class was the spiritual class of highly and fully ascend masters. If the future racial nation states are ruled by an aristocracy it will have to be of fully and highly ascended masters. In the end the White race will have to be untied in one racial empire. The problem has been the back sliding of the spiritual state of the race which has forced the move to Democracy and its radical egalitarianism as the corruption within the political class has created the adaptation of dispensing power to limit the abuses. Which also fails because the nature of Democracies allow for the most corrupt groups to hold power as oligarchy. Its a quality problem and replacing a lack of quality with quantity does not work. The oligarchy in the EU used Democracy to legalize their political criminality. Which is how all Democracies end up.
The problem is Sparta was the worst system of ancient Greece and this destroyed them in the end. The Spartan aristocracy had to devote themselves to military training to the extreme to protect themselves from there own Helot population of serfs. The Helots uprising in Sparta lasted twenty years and almost destroyed their society. The Spartan aristocracy lived as they did because they were prisoners of their own society and the slavery it depended on. The other mistakes of the Spartans was there law of not retreating to fight again another day. This caused them major losses they could not replace if they lost a battle their army was wiped out instead of making a intelligent retreat and escaping with the army intact.
The major Greek alliance of the last battle against the Persians the Greeks had organized an army of one hundred thousand of or more troops. By the time Philp invaded Greece at Alexander's first battle the Greek alliance could only put twenty five thousand troops in the field and ten thousand or more were killed in the battle including the Sworn Band of Thebes. That is how much the wars in Greece had devastated the society. Athens was destroyed in the wars with Sparta and the population devastated in the siege by the Spartans and their philosopher ruler who built the famous temple of Athena also perished in the siege. Athens also went through a destructive civil war that wiped out entire towns and cities. Athenian Democracy was not something to role model it destroyed Athens around every several decades Athenian society would almost collapse from the corruption of the regime and a dictator would take power and stabilize society only to be run off later. The Athenian Democracy was run on political assassination, bribery, vote rigging and sophistry which today would be called fake news.
The golden age of Greece was under the rule of the Pagan Roman empire when they had the Pax Romana. When the spiritual arts of Greece could be pursued. Every Roman upper class family had a Greek tutor. And the most remembered fully ascended master in the Roman empire was a Greek philosopher Apollionus. The Greeks were the spiritual and philosophical leaders of the Roman empire. The Romans used the Greek spiritual system as well.
The lesson of Greece and the destruction of the wars was the same lesson the European emperors and royals learned after the first war which destroyed Europe and which Europe has never recovered from the effects of.
The White race can not allow the military class to be the political ruling class again nor the worthless lawyers and business class that is the current political class either. The military and merchant classes are not suited to rule the racial nations. The original ruling class was the spiritual class of highly and fully ascend masters. If the future racial nation states are ruled by an aristocracy it will have to be of fully and highly ascended masters. In the end the White race will have to be untied in one racial empire. The problem has been the back sliding of the spiritual state of the race which has forced the move to Democracy and its radical egalitarianism as the corruption within the political class has created the adaptation of dispensing power to limit the abuses. Which also fails because the nature of Democracies allow for the most corrupt groups to hold power as oligarchy. Its a quality problem and replacing a lack of quality with quantity does not work. The oligarchy in the EU used Democracy to legalize their political criminality. Which is how all Democracies end up.
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Yet a timocracy is still higher than both oligarchy and democracy, according to Plato. Of course, aristocracy is the best but shouldn't things be done im stages? From the bottom will get to the top again.
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My idea is that the Gods weren't as present as they were in more ancient times (like with Sumerians, Egyptians etc). I think that the fact that they weren't present was the cause of the degeneration of humanity. Christianity imposed itself gradually and that was thanks to the absence of the Gods. Of course humanity started to do wars for non relevant reasons and other bad things.The cause of the absence of the Gods was the war against Enemy ET.
Correct me if you think i'm wrong, guys..
Correct me if you think i'm wrong, guys..
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