Sparta and Athenian wars

[Aquarius]

Something I’m really curious about is why did Sparta and Athens have wars? They were both pagan societies, weren’t they in contact with the Gods?

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Because...Life. War is in itself, not bad, provided it's not a war between the same species, the same people, a civil war, or amongst people of the same race. Then it's a calamity.

The lamentations of the ancient Philosophers were largely around this, so long nonspiritual people hold control of the earth, there will always be ceaseless war, for the most superficial reasons.

War is a phenomenon of life, species do wage war, and war is frequent. However, if humans become more spiritual, a lot of useless suffering can be avoided.

Alexander mended the ties and evened out of this situation of incessant war, primarily because, he was enlightened. After this, the lesser people took power again, and the situation continued.

Nations do wars over a lot of reasons, and our planet has been in perpetual warfare, even stupid warfare, a lot due to spiritual downfall, rather than actual material problems. Back then, a lot of it was also material problems, such as lack in certain things or elements, which facilitated war very frequently.

 

[Aquarius]

Because...Life. War is in itself, not bad, provided it's not a war between the same species, the same people, a civil war, or amongst people of the same race. Then it's a calamity.

The lamentations of the ancient Philosophers were largely around this, so long nonspiritual people hold control of the earth, there will always be ceaseless war, for the most superficial reasons.

War is a phenomenon of life, species do wage war, and war is frequent. However, if humans become more spiritual, a lot of useless suffering can be avoided.

Alexander mended the ties and evened out of this situation of incessant war, primarily because, he was enlightened. After this, the lesser people took power again, and the situation continued.

Nations do wars over a lot of reasons, and our planet has been in perpetual warfare, even stupid warfare, a lot due to spiritual downfall, rather than actual material problems. Back then, a lot of it was also material problems, such as lack in certain things or elements, which facilitated war very frequently.

Thanks a lot brother, so basically in those societies non-spiritual people were ruling, that’s interesting because I thought the other way. Gotta inform myself better. Thanks again.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

The problem of Sparta, while they had the best blood back in this time, due to being unadulterated, and some of the great minds like Solon, was that they were extremely unrelenting. They had a consistent military government as stated. While they should be a paradigm for heroism, purity of the blood, and warrior skills, they cannot be a political paradigm, as they had a bad system which was an most of the time a military oligarchy.

On the other hand, where the Athenians failed, was external infiltration, not practicing as much eugenics, and being in general too political, to the point they deceived too many other Greek nation states of the time, which made them hated. Overt politicizing of ruling created indirect exploitation which again resulted in wars. The Athenians were not perfect either, especially where the blood and the looseness of the laws about it were concerned.

 

[Aquarius]

Great info brothers thanks a lot.

 

[Stormblood]

Yet a timocracy is still higher than both oligarchy and democracy, according to Plato. Of course, aristocracy is the best but shouldn't things be done im stages? From the bottom will get to the top again.

 

[WiseDragon]

My idea is that the Gods weren't as present as they were in more ancient times (like with Sumerians, Egyptians etc). I think that the fact that they weren't present was the cause of the degeneration of humanity. Christianity imposed itself gradually and that was thanks to the absence of the Gods. Of course humanity started to do wars for non relevant reasons and other bad things.The cause of the absence of the Gods was the war against Enemy ET.
Correct me if you think i'm wrong, guys..