Revelation

[Haizuru]

I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[jonathon_billing]

I've had chakra flipping experiences.

Don't have the Risen-Kundalini or Magnum Opus.


I think it relates to the right brain? Or the pingala? It was pretty weird, felt like I was upside down and inside out, a part of the Universe, yet sort of separate as well. It felt "opposite" to a normal human.

--- In , "Haizuru" <wolfguardian1@... wrote:

I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

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[/IMG]</var>the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.

From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@...
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation

  I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[mary.okaa]

I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@...
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[diznit26]

No, when you lose your physical body your spiritual progress stays exactly the same as you were before and can't be changed because to empower yourself you need a physical body. Actually the physical and astral body are inter-connected to each other, you can't advance spiritually without either one. Not to mention it's extremely boring wihtout a physical body as you can't do anything and that's one of the reasons people get reincarnated.

--- In , "mary.okaa" <mary.okaa@... wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[Haizuru Ishida]

To the one with the percent signs - i suppose.
There is physical immortality yes but, in the Nigredo stage one dies and reincarnates into a higher existence. Have you done the Magnum Opus? The actual working? One doesn't just do a meditation that somehow causes one to die. The way I have seen it is that one dies then transcends (depending on your spiritual maturity) into a higher plane.

If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god. One doesn't just induce this in one meditation.

Plus if you have ever even wondered, the Magnum Opus exists within us. The formula for its working lies in us. We have the essence of Father within us, which means the formula coincides within us. And when one realizes the answer the rest shall follow.

Be open and it shall come to you.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 5:14 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:

No, when you lose your physical body your spiritual progress stays exactly the same as you were before and can't be changed because to empower yourself you need a physical body. Actually the physical and astral body are inter-connected to each other, you can't advance spiritually without either one. Not to mention it's extremely boring wihtout a physical body as you can't do anything and that's one of the reasons people get reincarnated.

--- In , "mary.okaa" <mary.okaa@... wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[diznit26]

"If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god."

Please point where it says this because I found it nowhere in the specific section:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... _Opus.html

I even did a search for the word "nigredo" and couldn't find anywhere in this page and in the sub pages.

The only mention of this is in the "Satanic Symbols" page where it explains the nigredo stage but it again does not imply literal death like I said:

"The Skull and Bones is symbolic of the Nigredo stage of the Magnum Opus (The transformation of the soul into the godhead). This is the death stage in the work, before the soul is purified into the godhead. The dross is separated from the pure."

It says "the death stage", not the death period. It's a STAGE.

"One doesn't just induce this in one meditation."

Again no one said that you die in a meditation. No one talked about literal death. As the site says it separates the dross from the pure, the dross symbolically "dies", that's what the Nigredo stage is.

"The formula for its working lies in us."

No it is not. Without Satan you can't find it. If it was like you said then every non-Satanist would found it and would be the equal level than us and wouldn't need Satan. It comes from SATAN, HE teaches us how to reach it.

--- In , Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@... wrote:

To the one with the percent signs - i suppose.
There is physical immortality yes but, in the Nigredo stage one dies and reincarnates into a higher existence. Have you done the Magnum Opus? The actual working? One doesn't just do a meditation that somehow causes one to die. The way I have seen it is that one dies then transcends (depending on your spiritual maturity) into a higher plane.

If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god. One doesn't just induce this in one meditation.

Plus if you have ever even wondered, the Magnum Opus exists within us. The formula for its working lies in us. We have the essence of Father within us, which means the formula coincides within us. And when one realizes the answer the rest shall follow.

Be open and it shall come to you.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 5:14 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:

No, when you lose your physical body your spiritual progress stays exactly the same as you were before and can't be changed because to empower yourself you need a physical body. Actually the physical and astral body are inter-connected to each other, you can't advance spiritually without either one. Not to mention it's extremely boring wihtout a physical body as you can't do anything and that's one of the reasons people get reincarnated.

--- In , "mary.okaa" <mary.okaa@ wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[diznit26]

FYI, another person asked the same thing like yours, i.e. if you physically die during the magnum opus and HPS Pythia said no, not only you don't die in any way but the working PHYSICALLY REVERSES AGING. You should read it carefully, this post:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSata ... sage/31545

--- In , "diznit26" <diznit26@... wrote:

"If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god."

Please point where it says this because I found it nowhere in the specific section:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... _Opus.html

I even did a search for the word "nigredo" and couldn't find anywhere in this page and in the sub pages.

The only mention of this is in the "Satanic Symbols" page where it explains the nigredo stage but it again does not imply literal death like I said:

"The Skull and Bones is symbolic of the Nigredo stage of the Magnum Opus (The transformation of the soul into the godhead). This is the death stage in the work, before the soul is purified into the godhead. The dross is separated from the pure."

It says "the death stage", not the death period. It's a STAGE.

"One doesn't just induce this in one meditation."

Again no one said that you die in a meditation. No one talked about literal death. As the site says it separates the dross from the pure, the dross symbolically "dies", that's what the Nigredo stage is.

"The formula for its working lies in us."

No it is not. Without Satan you can't find it. If it was like you said then every non-Satanist would found it and would be the equal level than us and wouldn't need Satan. It comes from SATAN, HE teaches us how to reach it.

--- In , Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@ wrote:

To the one with the percent signs - i suppose.
There is physical immortality yes but, in the Nigredo stage one dies and reincarnates into a higher existence. Have you done the Magnum Opus? The actual working? One doesn't just do a meditation that somehow causes one to die. The way I have seen it is that one dies then transcends (depending on your spiritual maturity) into a higher plane.

If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god. One doesn't just induce this in one meditation.

Plus if you have ever even wondered, the Magnum Opus exists within us. The formula for its working lies in us. We have the essence of Father within us, which means the formula coincides within us. And when one realizes the answer the rest shall follow.

Be open and it shall come to you.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 5:14 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:

No, when you lose your physical body your spiritual progress stays exactly the same as you were before and can't be changed because to empower yourself you need a physical body. Actually the physical and astral body are inter-connected to each other, you can't advance spiritually without either one. Not to mention it's extremely boring wihtout a physical body as you can't do anything and that's one of the reasons people get reincarnated.

--- In , "mary.okaa" <mary.okaa@ wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[Haizuru Ishida]

Note that I didn't ask anything. I didn't say if I said when. Plus I didn't say that one dies in meditation. What I was trying to ACTUALLY say was when one dies in the physical - naturally of course not suicide - then they become reincarnated into a higher plane. Did I say you die? NO. I said when....WHEN. Not in the meditation which I clarified in my original post. This post wasn't just for stating points out of nowhere..it was also for those who may have taken thw working in the literal sense; e.g nigredo.

And for the formula..understand this..
If we didnt have Fathers esssence, the chakra, Then there wouldn't be a Magnum Opus. What I said was "the formula is within us". And yes it is, the components for it. With none of the materials present there is no working.

Yes in Father we learn of it, but with nothing to start on there is no formula..only trial (Lost Book of Enki when they created us).

And no maybe not on the Magnum Opus page but on the site it wasn't as "clarified". So this was to help those who wantes that understanding.

So say what you wish...but I stick to my ground.

Try to see what lies behind a message, not just what you wish to debate.

Also, this post wasn't a question. And I'm not trying to start some "war" or "battle" over a page on the site.

This is done.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 6:09 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:

FYI, another person asked the same thing like yours, i.e. if you physically die during the magnum opus and HPS Pythia said no, not only you don't die in any way but the working PHYSICALLY REVERSES AGING. You should read it carefully, this post:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSata ... sage/31545

--- In , "diznit26" <diznit26@... wrote:

"If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god."

Please point where it says this because I found it nowhere in the specific section:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... _Opus.html

I even did a search for the word "nigredo" and couldn't find anywhere in this page and in the sub pages.

The only mention of this is in the "Satanic Symbols" page where it explains the nigredo stage but it again does not imply literal death like I said:

"The Skull and Bones is symbolic of the Nigredo stage of the Magnum Opus (The transformation of the soul into the godhead). This is the death stage in the work, before the soul is purified into the godhead. The dross is separated from the pure."

It says "the death stage", not the death period. It's a STAGE.

"One doesn't just induce this in one meditation."

Again no one said that you die in a meditation. No one talked about literal death. As the site says it separates the dross from the pure, the dross symbolically "dies", that's what the Nigredo stage is.

"The formula for its working lies in us."

No it is not. Without Satan you can't find it. If it was like you said then every non-Satanist would found it and would be the equal level than us and wouldn't need Satan. It comes from SATAN, HE teaches us how to reach it.

--- In , Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@ wrote:

To the one with the percent signs - i suppose.
There is physical immortality yes but, in the Nigredo stage one dies and reincarnates into a higher existence. Have you done the Magnum Opus? The actual working? One doesn't just do a meditation that somehow causes one to die. The way I have seen it is that one dies then transcends (depending on your spiritual maturity) into a higher plane.

If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god. One doesn't just induce this in one meditation.

Plus if you have ever even wondered, the Magnum Opus exists within us. The formula for its working lies in us. We have the essence of Father within us, which means the formula coincides within us. And when one realizes the answer the rest shall follow.

Be open and it shall come to you.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 5:14 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:

No, when you lose your physical body your spiritual progress stays exactly the same as you were before and can't be changed because to empower yourself you need a physical body. Actually the physical and astral body are inter-connected to each other, you can't advance spiritually without either one. Not to mention it's extremely boring wihtout a physical body as you can't do anything and that's one of the reasons people get reincarnated.

--- In , "mary.okaa" <mary.okaa@ wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

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From: Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@...
To:
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:55:39 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Revelation

  To the one with the percent signs - i suppose.
There is physical immortality yes but, in the Nigredo stage one dies and reincarnates into a higher existence. Have you done the Magnum Opus? The actual working? One doesn't just do a meditation that somehow causes one to die. The way I have seen it is that one dies then transcends (depending on your spiritual maturity) into a higher plane.

If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god. One doesn't just induce this in one meditation.

Plus if you have ever even wondered, the Magnum Opus exists within us. The formula for its working lies in us. We have the essence of Father within us, which means the formula coincides within us. And when one realizes the answer the rest shall follow.

Be open and it shall come to you.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 5:14 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:

No, when you lose your physical body your spiritual progress stays exactly the same as you were before and can't be changed because to empower yourself you need a physical body. Actually the physical and astral body are inter-connected to each other, you can't advance spiritually without either one. Not to mention it's extremely boring wihtout a physical body as you can't do anything and that's one of the reasons people get reincarnated.

--- In , "mary.okaa" <mary.okaa@... wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during

the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25

PM

Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus

states the Nigredo stage.

Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This

should only occur as one matures

in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

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From: mary.okaa <mary.okaa@...
To:
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:03:50 AM
Subject: Re: Revelation

  I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@...
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[Haizuru Ishida]

To Don,

I would but someone else keeps going on it no matter how I say it is done! My original post I did not intend to turn into a game of pointing fingers.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 6:42 AM PDT Forums Contributor wrote:

Please stop with the misinfo game playing.
 
 

From: Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@...
To:
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:55:39 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Revelation


 
To the one with the percent signs - i suppose.
There is physical immortality yes but, in the Nigredo stage one dies and reincarnates into a higher existence. Have you done the Magnum Opus? The actual working? One doesn't just do a meditation that somehow causes one to die. The way I have seen it is that one dies then transcends (depending on your spiritual maturity) into a higher plane.

If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god. One doesn't just induce this in one meditation.

Plus if you have ever even wondered, the Magnum Opus exists within us. The formula for its working lies in us. We have the essence of Father within us, which means the formula coincides within us. And when one realizes the answer the rest shall follow.

Be open and it shall come to you.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 5:14 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:

No, when you lose your physical body your spiritual progress stays exactly the same as you were before and can't be changed because to empower yourself you need a physical body. Actually the physical and astral body are inter-connected to each other, you can't advance spiritually without either one. Not to mention it's extremely boring wihtout a physical body as you can't do anything and that's one of the reasons people get reincarnated.

--- In , "mary.okaa" <mary.okaa@... wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.

In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.

%%%%

--- In , Forums Contributor < wrote:

I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.


From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: Revelation


 
I have come to this conclusion:

When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".

This is the conclusion....

The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).

Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.

The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.

To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.

When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).

The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).

The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.

This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.

Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

Diznit, you rock. Lol.
-----Original Message-----
Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:52:38 am
To:
From: "diznit26" <diznit26@...
Subject: Re: Revelation

But even what you said is again wrong, when one dies his soul stays exactly the same as it was in this life. As many of us have psychic abilities from past lives because we awakened them while others are completely spiritually closed. That's why we meditate so that our spiritual progress from this life carries on to our next life if we don't reach godhead. Relying on death and claiming death does something good is RHP thought. Satanism is about this life, not death or anything else. Death does not make you get higher or something, death is boring and your soul stays the same.


You don't seem to understand what a plane is. Planes are the physical, astral e.t.c. and there's no such thing as "getting reincarnated to a plane", you just exist in multiple planes. It's just that many of us are spiritually closed so we can't access higher planes. We can live to one or two planes, the Gods can access more planes than that.

Actually you did say that the magnum opus involves death in your original post somehow wh

 

[diznit26]

Shannon I'm not usually an asshole like this, you saw one of my worst posts I made when I was angry

--- In , "Shannon Outlaw" <soutlaw92@... wrote:

Diznit, you rock. Lol.
-----Original Message-----
Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:52:38 am
To:
From: "diznit26" <diznit26@...
Subject: Re: Revelation

But even what you said is again wrong, when one dies his soul stays exactly the same as it was in this life. As many of us have psychic abilities from past lives because we awakened them while others are completely spiritually closed. That's why we meditate so that our spiritual progress from this life carries on to our next life if we don't reach godhead. Relying on death and claiming death does something good is RHP thought. Satanism is about this life, not death or anything else. Death does not make you get higher or something, death is boring and your soul stays the same.


You don't seem to understand what a plane is. Planes are the physical, astral e.t.c. and there's no such thing as "getting reincarnated to a plane", you just exist in multiple planes. It's just that many of us are spiritually closed so we can't access higher planes. We can live to one or two planes, the Gods can access more planes than that.

Actually you did say that the magnum opus involves death in your original post somehow wh

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

"Apparently, when it comes to something that mentions anything outside of the usual "parameter" of the posts on the board, everyone goes AWOL"

Yeah, yourself included. Remember the post Shannon made about planetary days and hours, and your response? Here, I'll copy and paste:

*******
"-- In , Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@... wrote:
Are you really letting yourself get worked up about this..?

Come on..

You can find better things to post can't
you...?

Just leaving it at that.

On Sun Jul 31st, 2011 5:38 PM EDT Shannon Outlaw wrote:

What really bugs me is that whenever 12 o clock midnight comes people
automatically say that it is the next day. I tell them that until the sun rises
then thats is the next day. The Chaldean hours are more correct I feel because
the last hour of the corresponding day is before the sun rises. That is the more
correct time. Like today is the day of the Sun and the day of the sun ends
around 5:30am/tonite and then at sun rise the day and hour of the Moon will
begin. This is more correct. anyone agree."

********

I'm not fond of hypocrites. So perhaps you should have just let Diznit correct you, instead of getting worked up and accusing people of going "AWOL" on your posts, when you do the same to others. Here's the rest of the thread if you want to remember how you kept arguing, and kept saying that you were "leaving it at that" when in fact you just kept posting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSata ... sage/42429

And because I am a smart-ass with a good memory, I actually took the time to re-locate this thread and paste it here to make my point.

 

[diznit26]

*rolls on the floor laughing so hard his head hurts*

--- In , "lydia_666@..." <lydia_666@... wrote:

"Apparently, when it comes to something that mentions anything outside of the usual "parameter" of the posts on the board, everyone goes AWOL"

Yeah, yourself included. Remember the post Shannon made about planetary days and hours, and your response? Here, I'll copy and paste:

*******
"-- In , Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@ wrote:
Are you really letting yourself get worked up about this..?

Come on..

You can find better things to post can't
you...?

Just leaving it at that.

On Sun Jul 31st, 2011 5:38 PM EDT Shannon Outlaw wrote:

What really bugs me is that whenever 12 o clock midnight comes people
automatically say that it is the next day. I tell them that until the sun rises
then thats is the next day. The Chaldean hours are more correct I feel because
the last hour of the corresponding day is before the sun rises. That is the more
correct time. Like today is the day of the Sun and the day of the sun ends
around 5:30am/tonite and then at sun rise the day and hour of the Moon will
begin. This is more correct. anyone agree."

********

I'm not fond of hypocrites. So perhaps you should have just let Diznit correct you, instead of getting worked up and accusing people of going "AWOL" on your posts, when you do the same to others. Here's the rest of the thread if you want to remember how you kept arguing, and kept saying that you were "leaving it at that" when in fact you just kept posting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSata ... sage/42429

And because I am a smart-ass with a good memory, I actually took the time to re-locate this thread and paste it here to make my point.

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

Lol Lydia. You rock.
-----Original Message-----
Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:21:48 pm
To:
From: "lydia_666@..." <lydia_666@...
Subject: Re: Revelation

"Apparently, when it comes to something that mentions anything outside of the usual "parameter" of the posts on the board, everyone goes AWOL"

Yeah, yourself included. Remember the post Shannon made about planetary days and hours, and your response? Here, I'll copy and paste:

*******
"-- In , Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@... wrote:
Are you really letting yourself get worked up about this..?

Come on..

You can find better things to post can't
you...?

Just leaving it at that.

On Sun Jul 31st, 2011 5:38 PM EDT Shannon Outlaw wrote:

What really bugs me is that whenever 12 o clock midnight comes people
automatically say that it is the next day. I tell them that until the sun rises
then thats is the next day. The Chaldean hours are more correct I feel because
the last hour of the corresponding day is before the sun rises. That is the more
correct time. Like today is the day of the Sun and the day of the sun ends
around 5:30am/tonite and then at sun rise t