Regarding Some Threads and Information and Replies in Them

[Ghost in the Machine]

At the moment, namely angels and Account Deletion so far (plus in general), I'll let you all go through everything and sort shit out. I CB-F-ing-A with sifting through all of the bullshit, with misinformation, and confusion with incorrect/out-of-date information. You all shovel the shit with your spades, and I'll be drinking highly-overpriced tea in my drawing room. Y'all are welcome to join me for a chin-wag.

I am not bitching. I just have come to a point that I can't be f00ked with the shit. I'm not leaving - sorry to disappoint you haters and posers/fakers - but meh to the fucking shit.

P.S. Can you delete the auto-save-draft nonsense, or set it better? When I decide to not post a reply/thread, I don't want that draft loading automatically. My thanks will be delivered shortly thereafter, but due to social distancing restrictions, paying for next-day delivery has made the computers super-lazy. (Yes, I know that doesn't make sense. It's not supposed to. :roll: I am trying to end this OP on a silly note, so chill the fuck out.)

From what I'm reading it seems Cobra and Shannon have clarified better than anyone on the matter and I see absolutely nothing wrong with what they've said. If people don't trust them or other stuff like that, that's their own personal thing.

People need to remember, this ministry, this foundation, this structure built upon a real thing has lasted and held up with very real truths, benefits and results to people for two whole decades. When you think people are invincible only for them to be proven or shown not to and they fall, then by your initial belief you lose faith in what it additionally accounted for.

That's not how it's supposed to be. First and foremost your trust and foundation should be Satan and all of the real proof before you. I have been told nothing more in all my years on this path by signs, evidence and experience than to believe and have faith and trust in Satan. My own personal steel grip upon this path, my foundation, what ties me to this entire thing is not the people part of it, it is not the clergy, it is not the forum, it is not the website, it's what I have seen, witnessed, experienced and know for myself in my own findings, what I see and witness every day out there in the world and what I've grown to be able to understand as truth.

My foundation is Satan himself and the enemy knows this, they've attacked that very foundation on almost every front they could in so many ways, especially in the past year, because if all else crumbles, if we lost communications, if we lose internet, each other, more clergy, more people, I don't need it to keep going, that's not going to crush my faith or drive me away because that's not what I built my trust on this path from. People need to build their trust from the true indestructible source of it, Satan himself. Everything else is a branch of the tree, if one branch withers away a new one will grow in it's place.

The idea of a 'perfect' scene here, this whole community and platform, everything as spick and span with order and respect as your next fantasy 'cult' novel is simply unrealistic. It's war, shit's going to happen and shit's going to go down and people are people. Things need to be done and actions need to be taken the way they are for very good reasons, to keep things together in the whole.

This does not mean throw all trust out the window, people must recognize real proof and evidence of actual devotion. Not to themselves, not to their own personal agendas, not to some rickety philosophy but to Satan and our cause here on Earth. None of this happened by 'accident'. We didn't all get coincidentally reincarnated in this specific time to all find each other and stick around in devotion and dedication for years by 'accident'. All of this was planned and we knew it, we were ready for it, we were told it but upon reincarnation we forgot all of the exacts and yet even still, here we are. That is no accident, we know each other from a common root, and that root is Satan, not some other human.

Mageson was evidently a shit-show from the start in personality, it was evident immediately his mistreatment and abuse of others, especially new members and even going forward in viewing so much as his own personal stage with the 'Slothz' sub-cult he was building practically out of his own ego. There's nothing respectable or nurturing of Satanic things for Satan about that. These things are evident and they're noticeable and one should trust their own intuitions and what is real proof of right or wrong. This path is not just about advancing and bettering the self, it is about Satan. We nurture the growth of his people, we build one another up on this path, we work towards a common goal on a common road.


Your strongest foundation on this path should be our true Father, that's the whole point of SATANism.

 

[Apprentice]

I've been said to post too-long posts, yet a HP also does and everyone has multiple orgasms over that.

Damn, Fancy, you made me spit my tea with laughter :lol:

All this politics and fucktarded dramas are really not my cup of thea. I come here to learn, to evolve and to do warfare. This is serious business. Others can play with their words ad nauseam, some can pretend to be butthurt, I don't give a fuck.

Got this happy feeling. Take care!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_1clbMfEWk

 

[FancyMancy]

I've been said to post too-long posts, yet a HP also does and everyone has multiple orgasms over that.

Damn, Fancy, you made me spit my tea with laughter :lol:

All this politics and fucktarded dramas are really not my cup of thea. I come here to learn, to evolve and to do warfare. This is serious business. Others can play with their words ad nauseam, some can pretend to be butthurt, I don't give a fuck.

Got this happy feeling. Take care!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_1clbMfEWk

Sorry! I'll get you a cloth for your screen/phone.

Tea?! Now you're speaking my language!

Ahh. That sounds like one of the Golden Oldies. I should expand my music library/tastes.

I can still be silly among my non-silly posts. While I do that, it is not to detract from things, though.

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Again - I'm going to have to give yours more than one more read through again.

 

[Mackenzie]

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The thing is people are going to be people regardless,

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Yes, That's very true Sir.

 

[Gearshift]

[*]Gear88
But the question becomes without having to shift through all the 8 pages. What EXACTLY was Mageson? Infiltrator? Kosher agent? Kosher supervised agent?[/list]
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=190775#p190775
Exactly. That was also part of my point. I will admit that brevity is not my strong suit a lot of the time. Others also could do with getting a knife and carving off the extraneous things so we can get to, and understand easily, the meat of matters.

Funny enough only member: Egon was the one that made a reasonable stipulation.

Also just to point out at you member: FancyMancy, thank you for the statement "of brevity". I appreciate the compliment but I'm sure I'm one to talk making mile long scrolls of text. You should have seen HP.Cobra's reply on my first post with about 18 questions. A LONG post followed by 18 questions. Albeit I've never seen some of the questions asked non the less it probably would have never been answered anyways.

Non the less I gotta thank you again cause I WISH, I could "carve off the extraneous things". I tend to ramble or making off-topic information inside of it. I guess I'm trying to ask if people understand me. I'm not sure if it's because of some mental illness that I have or just the way my brain works but potentially I make connections or exhibit memories related to the topic in some way without being on topic. Almost a crazy mental connection roundabout.

Like for example(one of my down sides): Posts question with text attached often with other questions and statements:

• Example: Where did Billy go to?
  
  Okay I'm trying to figure out where Billy went but he doesn't show up nor is there any information on him. Does anyone know if Billy is going somewhere? or is it that he already arrived or what's the situation?

So I post a question with questions on top of questions and statements over statements. So I'm trying to convey as much information that I know so people know where I'm at and how they can help me. But it's backfired before thankfully people here don't have as much twitter/facebook mentality and can objectively understand me.

Either way I've been thinking for the past several weeks of making a post calling it [Off-Topic] Typing improvement. And asking how can I improve my typing style and lack of concrete almost childlike levels of typing on text, not that I CAN'T type just wondering how to do it more professionally and more informative through smaller bites and chunks of data.

Hell even my friend that I email told me he didn't understand the use of commas and semi-colon but his 4th grade teacher said "Come to advanced class, you seem to kick ass on your work". I still don't even recall or remember the use of commas(,) and semi-colon(, all I know is commas are on topic, semi-colons for off-topic addendum.

For some specific reason I remember certain stuff, other stuff not so much.

Anyways once again "Thank you" FancyMancy.

 

[FancyMancy]

Why don’t you call out shael yourself then?

I sort of did. I laid-out the account more or less in order of what happened.

(She?) is very elitist and likes to bully and push people around that (she) perceives as lesser (EVERYONE). (She?) ok I’m done with this shit, THEY have tried doing this to me before, made a comment saying I was delusional or an idiot, some babble like that, so I typed out a response basically disproving what this person had said and they never bothered to respond.

Now I didn’t make this post to shit on shael or anyone else, but since it was already relevant I figured I would share my experience. I see the other fellow in here Ghost has also had arguments with this person.

Now Fancy you sound upset, or rather disappointed, that people will stick up for me but not you, or that it seems like I can say and get away with things that you can’t, it seems like you don’t understand why that is, but it’s simple.

I don’t know your history, and I haven’t seen posts where you were attacked and criticized, but respect on the forum, just like in real life, has to be earned.

I'm a long-time member, from Yahoo! Groups and the previous forum, and I have been here for years now. I help with questions - mostly for newbs - where I know how to; I be silly on this Victorian forum of boring, old people muttering insults and curses to themselves; I share articles which I think are relevant; I have videos yet to upload - at least one or two of which are either an extension/full version of another, or which might not have been seen or shared yet; I try not to hold grudges - rather, I take (usually) most new threads as new ground, a new leaf, a new slate, a new start, but with Shael the repeated comments about being a retard, and also not quoting nor linking directly to any post where I was supposed to have said something (see above) was over more than one thread, so it's an exception; ages ago, I told a member to stop spamming the forum with his link he kept sharing, but he was just excited and enthusiastic to share things - I think he and I are OK with each other now; I have shared supposed cures about coronavirus-2019, one of which we have proclaimed before but someone I pinged ignored me (or to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe they weren't notified and they haven't checked that thread yet) so I cannot confirm what was said in that thread...

I think I should have earned respect by now. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Is everyone so fickle and pathetic? Maybe it is not them but it is me who is in the wrong somehow. I'll go around and insulting everyone and being a bully to everyone - then I'll get somewhere; you know the saying - "nice guys finish last"; maybe I should say the other saying - "no more Mr Nice Guy". I don't believe Satan, etc., are bullies and insulters like some people here, or strongly-opinionated and extreme, etc., so why the contradictions when I think I've been not bad or been OK?

I came in as a nobody. Everyone thought I was a redneck or some stupid kid that liked to rage about those dayum Knee-grows! So with the posts I made and the mentality I had and still do, I fought a lot, and have had disputes with many different people, and by the end of it, people always understood me and where I was coming from, so I got respect, even if someone doesn’t like me or my views, they won’t deny my stance and role in the hierarchy. So with that backstory, I hope it makes sense now why I have a strong reputation, and have people that are willing stand with me, when they were once afraid to.

I’m known as the young, hungry, and very militant white nationalist that is willing to defend his race and ideals to the death. A live wire. Being a warrior is very admirable.

The point of all that rambling is to say this, if you want something, fight for it. If you want people to like or respect you, or have your back, give them a reason to!

As I have said, I've been on forums and chatrooms for years, so I have quite a good understanding of how they work. Evidently, I don't know what people - or dare I say some sheeple - here want. I've been here for ages and I've been helpful, so I should be respected by now. I know this is sounding like me demanding it, which is impossible, and it seems like I am turning into a spoilt brat but obviously with not being given everything I want or demand, that is not the case; but in objective terms - I've been, I've helped, I've done the things as I said above, etc., so what's my reward? BS, slander/libel, being ignored, etc.? What a wonderful, funderful universe this turned out to be. I've put all of this effort in for years, and for what? For naught.

With that being said I don’t know your reputation or story, it looks like you are a veteran member which is already a respectable trait. I don’t know what else to tell you except to stand up for yourself boldly and don’t back down, then people will learn to stop fucking with you.

I used to. I have retalliated and told people. I don't know if this is permanent or just a phase but for now it's like, "StFU and let me get on with it, dickheads" and I can't be arsed with all of the petty squabbling and immature stupid things - and that is to any relevant users here which I say it directly. One false police murder (and continued repeated attempts since...) of a drugged-up idiot Black caused the entire World, and the greatest majority being non-Blacks, to retard about for a few months. Maybe I should stop being online and go do something very stupid in the Physical World instead.

I still don't know, but from what I can gather I suspect that in a previous life I did a lot of substance use. That continues into next lives, and it is incredibly difficult to fix, so not if but when I make mistakes - and anyone can see that from my posts - I don't realise it and I don't articulate things properly. I know my subjects/topics; anything else, I have a big question mark over my head and I'm impotent about. Whatever it is, I'm going on the premise that I fucked my Mind and Soul up in a previous life. As has been said - such things can take lifetimes to recover from, so all of the little condemnations are extremely unhelpful and disrespectful, and they all build-up - remember, the more things happen, the more things happen; repetition is key, so it tacks on to me while I'm busy with other shit, which is a slow, frustrating and exhausting process. I got over and got past the "Am I a Yehubor" stage ages ago, but with the social awkwardness and social personality interactions as evidenced recently, it has started to come back, but that's just a nonsense attack or meaninless worry, so I can dismiss it.

Everyone wants and needs satisfaction in one way or another. That causes clashes among users. We should realise that. I don't have a lot of testimonies to give - only that I have a lot of coincidences with things, some big, direct and exact ones and others more trivial and meh; and that I had another experience which others have also had separately, so that supports that quite strongly, plus one other experience of seeming to go out-of-body, which I am sure was not a dream at first but then turned into a dream very quickly. That's about all I can say I have had/done/experienced so far.

I think I am just going through some things. Maybe I am too cautious, but with the infiltrators and staff members and re-shuffling and everything, I am not comfortable with placing any Astrology orders with either of our two Astrologers, plus with them being so busy and having a long list of orders to finish... You can never truly trust anyone while Spiritually-blind and ignorant; I go mostly on objectivity and subjectivity and what I sometimes like to think is instinct or intuition which also turns out to be what is known as 'coincidence', as well. Heh - at other times, I like to think that I am or might be so profound that later on everyone will realise what I was saying and they'll apologise, suck my dick and give me a lot of money or presents and food. Yes, I know that's delusional. I'll just trudge along in the thick mud.

At this point, I could mention the eternal struggle that Lord Hitler mentioned. I know some have problems far worse than I, though - and this here is just in a currently-online community. "Oh, woe is me because I don't have any online friends here".

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

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We don't know what goes on in the private lives of other members, it's none of our business, though psychic individuals might be able to accidentally feel these things for some people around here from time to time.

Many factors can account to someone's behaviour and demeanor on here. Of course acting upon such negatively towards other members isn't the way to go but things crop up from a variety of things going on in people's personal lives, either enemy attack, planetary influence or otherwise and this goes for everyone here.

The gods guide those wanting to help themselves out of fires and looking to correct any personal issues or hang-ups for betterment of both themselves and their circumstances. But the individual has to truly want to see the answers, the last thing most people want to do is face themselves and the things they spend so long trying to avoid. It's never an overnight thing but this kind of stuff factors in to "forum drama" as well.

 

[NinRick]

Maybe don’t take everything so personal?
Chill out guys.

 

[NinRick]

Maybe don’t take everything so personal?
Chill out guys.

 

[FancyMancy]

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At least some of what you said sounds like me, as well. You can see that if you've read any of my posts.

I think (from what I've been told) that the proper proper usage of commas is very complex that the big English writers and clever people still can do it wrong. Semi-colon is like to break up a long sentence, to join a sentence when two things are related ("I am happy because I won the lottery" or "I am happy; I won the lottery"), or also used similarly to commas, like in a list of items. For me, if I were to have a list of items, but for some of those items I might use commas for a bit more clarity - if I used only commas it would be confusing as to where the next item begins; the semi-colon would be the 'item-breaker', if you will.

• Item 1;
• Item 2, and something, plus something else;
• Item 3;
• Item 4;
• Item 5, and something, plus something else, also something else;
• Item 6

sort of thing.

Anyways once again "Thank you" FancyMancy.

When you put it in inverted commas like that, that negates it. i.e.,

Tom is trying to be friends with Dick, but Dick uses Tom and talks about him behind his back, and Harry tried explaining these things to Tom. Tom might consider Dick his friend, but it's more like Dick is Tom's "friend".

"You're welcome." I didn't think I was complimenting you, but alright. I hope it helps.

I don't know

Others reply to me. Maybe you and I just think and speak/type differently. I suspect that a lot of users agree with you, though. To continue the thread about substance usage - maybe I'm akin to those who are away with the faeries who talk to themselves going on about nonsense in town when passers-by ignore and avoid them.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

Fancy is fun and nice, back in the days you were posting a lot more, don't know why you don't anymore.

I don't understand what's the problem with any of post of replies in general, but people are manifesting themselves as they are, so dealing with themselves they project and mirror themselves in hopes of clarity and confirmation.

Also hurtful messages if they arise, you can't , not allow them and neither stop others to partake in them. Rather you can observe and conclude other things from the psychology of the individuals and states of the matters, that at some point might be addressed, or cleared up or whatever.

Also whenever I felt that the people of the forum, when I didn't have an account, didn't rose up to my projected aspirations, it was always myself who needed to progress. So it was just a projection.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Others reply to me. Maybe you and I just think and speak/type differently. I suspect that a lot of users agree with you, though. To continue the thread about substance usage - maybe I'm akin to those who are away with the faeries who talk to themselves going on about nonsense in town when passers-by ignore and avoid them.

Maybe in your posts is the fire of knowledge, but I wouldn't know because I don't read them. But by all means be yourself and express yourself the way you are. Don't change for me, or anyone, unless you yourself feel there's an issue.

 

[Username]

Hey,
I don't know what politics is going on clearly.

While some people may dislike you bringing lightness to the community,I think there are also people whose days are made because of your posts.

I think one should express their individuality and opinons whether they are short or long. Also, they should do it even if they are hated,scorned or spat upon becuase that is the true life. That is living in its purest essence. I can't comment on white or black people since it has become a very sensitive thing and a very very icy territory to walk on. One mistake and you fall down to the abyss.
However, what I want to say is whatever you believe or whatever opinon you have on this subject, you should stand by it if its right to you and even if its wrong to other people.
I would also like to add that having opinon is one thing but expressing it is another thing. In the former,there's nothing wrong with it. In the latter, it should be pondered upon if its worth it and if it is then one should go ahead.

I can't give you any opinions or thoughts on the removal of HP Mageson since I do not have enough information as foundation.
About the misinformation in angel forums, I think they serve to teach us a usefull skill to pick out the creme of the crops. Its like teaching you a skill to find truth from falsehoods which many would agree to be one of the most useful skill one can learn in their life.

You were the one who had guided me to this place where there is knowledge and care not known to normal people. While there might be people who might not like you or your actions, there are also people who admire you and are thankful for all the help that you have given to them like me.

What I said might not be agreeable wth you but that's okay.I hope everything works out for you well.

 

[Specter]

As I have said, I've been on forums and chatrooms for years, so I have quite a good understanding of how they work. Evidently, I don't know what people - or dare I say some sheeple - here want. I've been here for ages and I've been helpful, so I should be respected by now. I know this is sounding like me demanding it, which is impossible, and it seems like I am turning into a spoilt brat but obviously with not being given everything I want or demand, that is not the case; but in objective terms - I've been, I've helped, I've done the things as I said above, etc., so what's my reward? BS, slander/libel, being ignored, etc.? What a wonderful, funderful universe this turned out to be. I've put all of this effort in for years, and for what? For naught.

I'm not too entirely sure about your issue but you shouldn't assume it to always be that case just because it appears so. I've noticed and quite admired your efforts and participation since the yahoo groups and the old forums, there may be many others who feel the same as well, actually the first time I've actually taken attention to you was when a supposed member named Netri brought you up about something and Vovinprgl, and then I figured he must've gotten butthurt about something and wanted to bring others against some active JoS member like lackies typically do, he wanted to invite me to that Enkida group that they're apparently playing house in but I declined and he just messaged me instead and I played along as I didn't want to hurt his feelings as his buds treat him like crap but he can't realize it.

Also I know sometimes I don't reply or leave you and others hanging at times but I just don't want to make half assed or half baked replies so don't take it like that if it seamed so since I come to the forums for a short while and from time to time but I do read, then there are times I just forget to come back to it lmao, but I have appreciated the input many members have provided in various threads so no one should think that they're being underappreciated as there are many more who simply read/lurk but don't decide to post feedback.

The current politics and BS is so disheartening and such a downer. I've been said to post too-long posts, yet a HP also does and everyone has multiple orgasms over that. A member has extreme opinions and everyone defends that, but I'm in the wrong. I've been accused of saying every White person should force themselves to have as many White Children as possible, when I clearly did not say that, and the one who accused me of that is "allowed" to continue that BS; another also realises that that person hates Whites, as well, but the White-hater continues regardless. When Blacks are discriminated against on here, certain users/a HPS comes and defends them, but when I defend Whites saying those who can should have White Children, that means that I am forcing every White to have as many White Children as possible. This forum/community is not social media, as a member said, but you are going to get all sorts of people here; stop being a fucking cliqué. A lot of people here are very Victorian, and I try and bring a bit of silliness and lightness to this community and it seems to be ignored and hated or at least disliked. What is that thing called "balance"? We shouldn't lean always and only to the side of seriousness forever. The memes and jokes and things, nearly all the time, which I share are relevant to things here.

Some members have stopped using the forum as logged-in users because of the politics (others for other reasons); others surely would read but not register. One ages ago, and someone with them, created a separate forum and tried being similar and with but also separate from the JoS. As silly as that might or might not have been, it happened for reasons. A particular HPS also said about creating a forum similar and with but also separate from this JoS forum. It's not OK for a lowly non-HP/HPS to make a different forum, but it is OK for a HP/HPS to do so. This is supposed to be the Joy of Satan. From what I can see, it is more like the "joy" of Satan. The EJoS has a lot of cannon fodder, a lot of ammo available. Yes, I am critical. I am not a sheep. Sorry for not bleating along with you all (who are relevant). I take dedication, commitment and loyalty very seriously, but as I have said - I've been around forum/chatroom drama and politics for years. Eventually, it takes its toll.

I don't think that person was referring to you in particular as there wasn't anyone named, but maybe towards people who have that opinion in general, otherwise a clarification is needed on who's referring to who as most of the times I've found these to be unintentional but you should really try to clear things outs but anyway you've clarified and reinforced your stance so there's that and I agree with you. I also haven't seen them say they actually hate whites so this labeling needs to stop.

For a time actually, a certain infiltrator, and it was becoming obvious he was an infiltrator, was stirring up shit against black people in general, to people who didn't know it appeared as if he may have accidentally gone to far
but it was clear what he was trying to do. If I remember alright one black member decided to say how he was feeling offended and wanted to know if he was taking it the wrong way and then him and a bunch of questionable people started giving him backlash. I'm really surprised that faggot managed to get as far as he did and no one decided to call him out, especially when it'd become obvious to a point, when the black member tried to bring it up to Shannon she said nothing and then another time she complimenting him in another post. Like wtf... but I'm really glad now that this issue has come to attention as one thing the enemy simply cannot grasp is the fact that the JoS accepts other racial, non Yehuborim, groups or the fact that other races decide to be part of JoS and they become mentally unstable over this. So it may appear as it's a little too reinforced but just keep in mind where some of it is coming from.

But regarding you and that person I really don't know how it started or why it even has to be an issue in the first place, two decent members hurling indirect insults to each other? You should really try and work things out as the forums simply do not need this, we have to see the bigger picture.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Wdym passive aggressive. I'm very clear about what a said.

"ADD just like a Girl in the Club."

I can most certainly believe you have a real life having real responsibilities and real shit to deal which is totally real and believable. Doing very really important things in a very really important life where really important people really care about you. This is something I listen to and it sounds very believable. Yup this Daharkhaan story sounds about right. And it sounds just about real.

And in typical Jack fashion you ignore the point that voids your entire argument (that there is no issue in long posts, just when they are elongated with nonsense), responding only to part of my reply, with just another cringy post. Also my name is actually very simple to type, I don't know why you had a stroke there.

 

[Jack]

Wdym passive aggressive. I'm very clear about what a said.

"ADD just like a Girl in the Club."

I can most certainly believe you have a real life having real responsibilities and real shit to deal which is totally real and believable. Doing very really important things in a very really important life where really important people really care about you. This is something I listen to and it sounds very believable. Yup this Daharkhaan story sounds about right. And it sounds just about real.

And in typical Jack fashion you ignore the point that voids your entire argument (that there is no issue in long posts, just when they are elongated with nonsense), responding only to part of my reply, with just another cringy post. Also my name is actually very simple to type, I don't know why you had a stroke there.

Man I'm not even making an argument. If you look at what I said, I agree with you. I'm just trying to mess with you for the reason of messing with you.

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

Are you talking about me and seriously calling me an infiltrator without saying my name? Very lame and passive aggressive. I’ve already proven I’m not an infiltrator and but I’ll still do whatever you want me to to show that I’m not. You see I’m on this thread. Don’t be a coward.

Or maybe my memory is bad and you are referring to someone else.

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

Lol sorry brother for the hostility but those circumstances sounded similar to mine everyone and myself saw I was just someone going through an angsty time when I felt like I was under attack seeing the things happening to my race.

As for this guy you are talking about I don’t think I around for this.