Pure Lust / Sex Rune Working

[Jack]

Any newbie reading this is going to understand that he needs to break the other person's aura and direct the energy when they're completely exposed to any and all spiritual and mental hazards.

You're too afraid of chaos.

By the way, Jack - I said this partially for your benefit. It's been itching at me to explain it to you so I'm guessing it has some sort of importance. Maybe, maybe not. Anyway, I'm not promoting chaos just so you know. From my observations, you really are afraid of chaos. It could be of benefit to learn how to let go of that need to control and/or avert disaster. Sometimes chaos happens no matter what we do, and we just have to deal with it rather than try everything to prevent it. It's not the end of the universe. It's the fear itself that I suspect might be holding you back. We could argue over whether chaos is good/bad or acceptable/unacceptable, but the fear of chaos does you no good. We shouldn't be afraid of things we can't control.

I was just hoping this would possibly help you if it's needed.

Can you not see the irony of this ? The entire point of this thread has been people arguing about obsession (Control) Vs Giving up and being at peace (Chaos). I'm advocating Chaos because Love like any emotion is Chaos.

And more importantly Love is different for different people and we can't agree on a unified vision of what it is ,ever as a society. Meaning it doesn't even exist as an actual material concept. The argument is about the actions borne out of this issue.

On one hand you have the obsessive Compulsive Fuchs who is going through extreme emotional stress and is resorting to Extremely Obsessive Compulsive Psychopathic tactics to control and in his words "enslave" this woman because he doesn't want to be alone. On the other hand you have people arguing for Personal Transformation through letting go and moving on.

I have a lot of experience with a lot of women and I'm telling you right now as a Matter of principle that a woman who doesn't like and respect you for who you are and you are not her first choice. No matter what magick you do to acquire her you will never be satisfied with her. No one in this thread is a Psychopath and no one here on this thread can be satisfied with spiritually enslaving another person who doesn't want to be with them and be mentally okay with it long-term. You can only fuck her so many times before you realize there is no genuine burning desire.

Again - it's not about a love spell. It's about trying to break her aura ,and bind her to the unwanted obligation of a relationship. I'm just giving my opinion here. No one has the actual ability to stop anyone from doing anything. And no one is trying to do that. We are all giving our advice to this troubled person just as you are.

But you are doing it from a place of helplessness and compensation for feeling powerless. We are doing it from a point of expansion and growth. Only people who have a victim mindset and a vindictive nature would greenlight psychopathic behaviors such as this enslavement talk.

High Value Men who have actual value do not need controlling behaviors such as these because they know they have other options and opportunities for them.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

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The solution is to increase your own sexuality and masculinity, basically. That is what the penis represented on the candle, and you can see that this girl went for a more masculine man at the party. So you are missing that aspect of yourself, and that was what was shown as your solution. Don't take that personally by the way. ALL men have significantly lowered testosterone due to Jewish influence.

You should do the same working, but take out the Isa stuff, and anything about binding her to you. Make it instead of that she is attracted to you in a positive manner. You likely don't need Ehwaz either, instead just focus on Uruz, Kenaz, and perhaps Gebo.

Create this into a working which can alter you just as much as it can her. This may produce changes that extend towards other women as well. In regards to other upcoming workings, Mars will be in Capricorn and the Sun in Aries, which can all be used for increasing masculinity.

Take my advice as someone looking at your situation from a detached perspective. You don't need to make her enslaved to you. Instead, focusing more on the runes relevant to sexuality would solve the situation better. That is why you were shown a penis symbol, not a picture of chains or something.

Please don't be upset about what you heard here or what you are going through. Doing this working out of spite will not fix anything. Instead, do what you were shown by your GD. The black guy did not enslave her, she went to him willingly. In that way, you will increase those same qualities in yourself.

Good luck Fuchs.

 

[tabby]

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How do you people expect to reach our 10 year goals for JoS, if you’re all afraid of SS who are different from you? And instead of actually making any personal growth, you just get better at bullshitting.

 

[FancyMancy]

I will just do the working, make her my sex slave and use her for the rest of her live. No racemixing, any more, everyone is fine. Thanks for helping me decide what to do Jack.

Pretending that you are not joking, then I would ask - "...and the consequences? Satan, Beelzebul, your Guardian, any other God or Goddess?" I am quite confident that you don't care much or at all about what Humans think, but don't you suppose that one of Them would intervene and do something?

She is the last person who I care about and cares about me, I will just do the sex binding. If the gods punish me for this, I don´t care. I can´t just meditate, I need atleast one person close to me.

You don't care? Yeah... that's believable. Everyone needs at least one person close with them.

A real man beats his girlfriend, half unconscious from time to time, so that she knows who is the boss.
How could I forget this ancient wisdom.

She did break up with me because we did get to close to each other and not because I wasn´t a men.

But because of your post, I did remember there is only one rule:

Might and I will use mine to the fullest from now on.

I wish I could believe you, but I aren't.

Btw I said it first : Love will kill us all.

So Satan and the Gods and Goddesses who have partners and love them... are all dead? Humour is a dead art form - now Tragedy; that's funny!

So goes this thread!

I was referring to the Miw song ,

https://youtu.be/HXhK86lsDJM

This song is the description of everything that has been said in this thread.

I'm sorry, but I have Elton John on at the moment, and just as I was reading your reply, The Bitch is Back came on. Just a coinkydink, Jacky! :O

You might want to slap me for admitting this, and for the fact of it, but I quite like some of Bring Me the Horizon's old songs. clears throat (I haven't kept up with them.) I think they were a bit metalcore. Motionless in White, based on this song, sounds good. Thanks!

 

[Fuchs]

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The solution is to increase your own sexuality and masculinity, basically. That is what the penis represented on the candle, and you can see that this girl went for a more masculine man at the party. So you are missing that aspect of yourself, and that was what was shown as your solution. Don't take that personally by the way. ALL men have significantly lowered testosterone due to Jewish influence.

You should do the same working, but take out the Isa stuff, and anything about binding her to you. Make it instead of that she is attracted to you in a positive manner. You likely don't need Ehwaz either, instead just focus on Uruz, Kenaz, and perhaps Gebo.

Create this into a working which can alter you just as much as it can her. This may produce changes that extend towards other women as well. In regards to other upcoming workings, Mars will be in Capricorn and the Sun in Aries, which can all be used for increasing masculinity.

Take my advice as someone looking at your situation from a detached perspective. You don't need to make her enslaved to you. Instead, focusing more on the runes relevant to sexuality would solve the situation better. That is why you were shown a penis symbol, not a picture of chains or something.

Please don't be upset about what you heard here or what you are going through. Doing this working out of spite will not fix anything. Instead, do what you were shown by your GD. The black guy did not enslave her, she went to him willingly. In that way, you will increase those same qualities in yourself.

Good luck Fuchs.

I think I have to explain more, it was a privat party only her friends, those people are very open kind of swinger people. Kissing means nothing to them. She danced with him because he could, I can´t dance to standard music. She told me the year before, two guys did beat the shit out of each other and since then are not allowed anymore. After she (drunk) kissed him , I grabbed her lifted her up and went with her in a other room, I tryed to have sex with her, but she does not like sex on puplic places/places around her friends, so she refused, I did stand my ground, but I also did not rape her, everyone did see it, in the way it was possibel. At the time we were not together, so I had no option to cause a cene, without destroying my relation to her severly, killing the party.

With my masculinity is everything fine. I hated the black guys guts and watched her the rest of the party closely, what they are doing. He and she did know, I would have hurt him badly, if they would have repeated this behaviour, It is good, I don´t drink anymore, the situation would have ended bloody, unnecessarily.

I once did meet at a disco a guy not ugly but also not crazy good looking, he had a 10/10 girlfriend like the girl I´m after, I asked him, how do you keep her, how do you handle situations other guys approach her, his reply:

"Hypnosis, you have to learn it, with it is everything possibel."

Back then I thought he did joke, but no he did mean it seriously. I wasn´t into magic/meditation back then. The girl was very jealous. But they were allready together like 4 years moved together were happy.


For me, it makes no sense to increase my masculinity, I´m well liked by girls, but I also have this fixstar, so I don´t want a other girl and get in situations like a girl does accuse you of rape, or she is flooding your apartment everything is possibel with this -.- placement.

I know her weakness is fear off to much closeness, back then she did got used to me and therefore could no longer fall asleep well without me by her side. In a sense she wants to be together with me, but because of this paranoia she can´t.

I also don´t want to have an eye on her everytime she does drink. I have this placement that I take abuse so a situation is in peace, until I snap.

Much Thanks for your replys Blitzkreig, you realy deserve the position as JOS Guardian.

All the replys are a good oriantation guide for people, to decide what they will doing with sex workings.

Also thanks for everyone else involved.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I really am done here. Congratulations, Jack. You win. My heart is broken and I'm swimming in hopelessness. All of my efforts since I arrived here to make a difference were absolutely pointless. You just proved that to me. If I can't change the minds of stubborn people like you, if I can't reach people like you with logic and the truth, then it was all for nothing. Go ahead and pretend that you were all in the right all along and that "no one is trying to do that" (even though some clearly were, like Stormlood for instance, so it's obviously not "no one" but WHATEVER), and that I'm just crazy and "green lighting" bad behavior even though I'm not. Now you're rushing back to our very first argument about the concept of love as if it's relevant because you see the opportunity to kick me while I'm down and recover your worthless pride. I'm horrified by the motivations of certain people around here. I can't do it anymore. I give up on you and everyone else who resisted the truth of my words, and fought me out of bitterness and ego. My efforts to improve the pH of my environment are tragically futile. Everything I was trying to build is useless. People like you care about the wrong things. I hope your stubborn worldview was worth it to you to defend to the bitter end. You've defeated me so your false universe is safe now. Enjoy it. You and everyone else who had a problem with me can feel free to slander me endlessly behind my back from now on, if you're all so inclined. It doesn't matter to me anymore.

Even if you don't believe me, I argued with you so tirelessly in the past because I cared about you and I wanted to see you improve. If that wasn't the case then I never would have gone so far when you were pissing me off and spitefully calling me cuck page after page of comments. You and everyone else who ever felt threatened by me can now take a big sigh of relief because I'm gone from your lives. I'll never be so foolish again to care about people like you and give so much of my time and mental power and experience. You're not worth it to me anymore. Improving other peoples' lives isn't worth it to me anymore, even if it's Satan's forums. I wanted to help everyone rise in their consciousness and mentalities, defeat their programming from jewish society that they weren't able to become aware of on their own, and uplift Satan's people to greater heights. I love Satan, but it's impossible for me. I can't do it. It was all for nothing. I did my best...

Goodbye.

If you read jack's post history you will understand the level of his psyche when he goes into his dreams of micro managing people's lives as a dictator. Herein lies the root of the issue with the off mod mafia, and this is not to say that these people have ill will or a desire to damage others.

This is the mental state of some of these people, the belief that they know everything, and that their word is law. Jack is blatant in this, wears his arrogance like a badge of honor. Others are more subtle, but when pushed will still display the same levels of insanely inflated ego, like at one point one professed the right to dictate what is and isn't satanic as if he is Satan himself.

Simply overwhelming levels of ego and arrogance to a point they believe they know what's best for everybody at all times. They feed each other's delusions, and will attempt to destroy anyone who doesn't feed these, or worse calls them out on such stupidity. Some of them have improved dramatically on this, others simply got worse.

The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt. Neither clergy nor the gods, or even SATAN HIMSELF, intrude in people's lives to micro manage and dictate everything they should do, how they should think, and how they should live. But the off mod mafia presumes to have the right to do this. And will go to extreme lengths to force their views and beliefs on others.

I understand your decision to leave and even encourage it for a while for your mental health. I appreciate your support but would have discouraged you from getting involved because you'll be a target forever now.

This isn't your responsibility and not your problem, so relax. I'm sure you have better things to focus on than these people. Good luck out there man.

 

[Dahaarkan]

All I can say is that you and Tabby are damn often involved in Drama. If you want to „protect“ the forums start with yourself first.

The place exists also for Satanists to voice their thoughts. And yes, even people off mod can voice their thoughts. Imagine that.

 

[FancyMancy]

I really am done here. Congratulations, Jack. You win. My heart is broken and I'm swimming in hopelessness. All of my efforts since I arrived here to make a difference were absolutely pointless. You just proved that to me. If I can't change the minds of stubborn people like you, if I can't reach people like you with logic and the truth, then it was all for nothing. Go ahead and pretend that you were all in the right all along and that "no one is trying to do that" (even though some clearly were, like Stormlood for instance, so it's obviously not "no one" but WHATEVER), and that I'm just crazy and "green lighting" bad behavior even though I'm not. Now you're rushing back to our very first argument about the concept of love as if it's relevant because you see the opportunity to kick me while I'm down and recover your worthless pride. I'm horrified by the motivations of certain people around here. I can't do it anymore. I give up on you and everyone else who resisted the truth of my words, and fought me out of bitterness and ego. My efforts to improve the pH of my environment are tragically futile. Everything I was trying to build is useless. People like you care about the wrong things. I hope your stubborn worldview was worth it to you to defend to the bitter end. You've defeated me so your false universe is safe now. Enjoy it. You and everyone else who had a problem with me can feel free to slander me endlessly behind my back from now on, if you're all so inclined. It doesn't matter to me anymore.

Even if you don't believe me, I argued with you so tirelessly in the past because I cared about you and I wanted to see you improve. If that wasn't the case then I never would have gone so far when you were pissing me off and spitefully calling me cuck page after page of comments. You and everyone else who ever felt threatened by me can now take a big sigh of relief because I'm gone from your lives. I'll never be so foolish again to care about people like you and give so much of my time and mental power and experience. You're not worth it to me anymore. Improving other peoples' lives isn't worth it to me anymore, even if it's Satan's forums. I wanted to help everyone rise in their consciousness and mentalities, defeat their programming from jewish society that they weren't able to become aware of on their own, and uplift Satan's people to greater heights. I love Satan, but it's impossible for me. I can't do it. It was all for nothing. I did my best...

Goodbye.

If you read jack's post history you will understand the level of his psyche when he goes into his dreams of micro managing people's lives as a dictator. Herein lies the root of the issue with the off mod mafia, and this is not to say that these people have ill will or a desire to damage others.

This is the mental state of some of these people, the belief that they know everything, and that their word is law. Jack is blatant in this, wears his arrogance like a badge of honor. Others are more subtle, but when pushed will still display the same levels of insanely inflated ego, like at one point one professed the right to dictate what is and isn't satanic as if he is Satan himself.

Simply overwhelming levels of ego and arrogance to a point they believe they know what's best for everybody at all times. They feed each other's delusions, and will attempt to destroy anyone who doesn't feed these, or worse calls them out on such stupidity. Some of them have improved dramatically on this, others simply got worse.

The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt. Neither clergy nor the gods, or even SATAN HIMSELF, intrude in people's lives to micro manage and dictate everything they should do, how they should think, and how they should live. But the off mod mafia presumes to have the right to do this. And will go to extreme lengths to force their views and beliefs on others.

I understand your decision to leave and even encourage it for a while for your mental health. I appreciate your support but would have discouraged you from getting involved because you'll be a target forever now.

This isn't your responsibility and not your problem, so relax. I'm sure you have better things to focus on than these people. Good luck out there man.

It's just like the echo chamber of christianity. It's very religious, cliquéy, with in-group/out-group behaviour and mentality.

By the way, I am unmoderated. If I come across as how you explain here, sincerely I hope you and anyone else tells me. From my own perspective, I don't think I have been much different than from when just before I became unmoderated. I think some would say that my attitude needs improving, though, but I don't try and force others to do as I say, nor think and believe as I do. If I talk like this! Adding too many exclamation marks and a bit too much frivolity to my posts, it might seem like I am hyperactive! Woo! Lol! It seems, in that case, that it is at either extreme. I don't know who is unmoderated; I don't think there is a list, and I can't be bothered to go and check posts to try and see. Maybe I'm harsh, mean or challenging.

 

[Dahaarkan]

It's just like the echo chamber of christianity. It's very religious, cliquéy, with in-group/out-group behaviour and mentality.

By the way, I am unmoderated. If I come across as how you explain here, sincerely I hope you and anyone else tells me. From my own perspective, I don't think I have been much different than from when just before I became unmoderated. I think some would say that my attitude needs improving, though, but I don't try and force others to do as I say, nor think and believe as I do. If I talk like this! Adding too many exclamation marks and a bit too much frivolity to my posts, it might seem like I am hyperactive! Woo! Lol! It seems, in that case, that it is at either extreme. I don't know who is unmoderated; I don't think there is a list, and I can't be bothered to go and check posts to try and see. Maybe I'm harsh, mean or challenging.

I think you are fine, it's possible to have discussion with you without you taking things personally. You are also capable of recognizing when something you believed or said, is wrong. You are capable of learning and growing, because you haven't convinced yourself that you are at a pinnacle of absolute knowledge and perfection.

The people I classify as off mod mafia are a minority, that only desecrate the trust they've been given to inflate their ego. Some aren't even off mod but want to belong to this "group". And when they behave in some of the ways they do they are only doing a disservice to themselves and the great things they have accomplished prior, by making asses of themselves.


There is no problem when people have disagreements or even some animosity towards each other. But at a certain point repeated behaviors begin to drive people away. We are supposed to be bringing people TO Satan not driving them away from Him. We are to create a welcoming environment where fresh Satanists can freely ask questions and be educated and grow. People should be encouraged to speak their minds and ask questions, not be dog piled for not belonging to the hive mind. Too many times people are bombarded simply for saying something ignorant or misguided and treated as trolls or traitors just because they asked a question or said something kinda stupid.

This only baits them into responding aggressively and it snowballs from there until they simply leave and don't return. This isn't to say we need to cater for idiots and cuddle them constantly, but have some restraint, humility and respect.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

If you read jack's post history you will understand the level of his psyche when he goes into his dreams of micro managing people's lives as a dictator. Herein lies the root of the issue with the off mod mafia, and this is not to say that these people have ill will or a desire to damage others.

This is the mental state of some of these people, the belief that they know everything, and that their word is law. Jack is blatant in this, wears his arrogance like a badge of honor. Others are more subtle, but when pushed will still display the same levels of insanely inflated ego, like at one point one professed the right to dictate what is and isn't satanic as if he is Satan himself.

Simply overwhelming levels of ego and arrogance to a point they believe they know what's best for everybody at all times. They feed each other's delusions, and will attempt to destroy anyone who doesn't feed these, or worse calls them out on such stupidity. Some of them have improved dramatically on this, others simply got worse.

The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt. Neither clergy nor the gods, or even SATAN HIMSELF, intrude in people's lives to micro manage and dictate everything they should do, how they should think, and how they should live. But the off mod mafia presumes to have the right to do this. And will go to extreme lengths to force their views and beliefs on others.

I understand your decision to leave and even encourage it for a while for your mental health. I appreciate your support but would have discouraged you from getting involved because you'll be a target forever now.

This isn't your responsibility and not your problem, so relax. I'm sure you have better things to focus on than these people. Good luck out there man.

Reading this, I think the ego baiting is actually what is becoming excessive.

Thinking about it, what seems to be happening is everyone has their ego, and many people struggle to give space to each other's ego and opinion, going both ways. Which causes arguments between people, as one ego feels "threatened" (for a lack of a better word) by another.

Why use such dividing terms as "off mod mafia"?

I see no indication of any such "mafia" behavior. Plenty of people who are off mod disagree with each other and discuss various things, running into the same issues from time to that that those who are on mod do.

This whole "off mod mafia" thing appears to be something in your own mind, a sort of imaginary situation where the off mod people are one big clique which goes against all the moderated people. Quite strange if you ask me.

People who are off mod are simply people who post decently enough to where moderation isn't required.

There are definitely people who are still on mod that could very well be off mod already, and likely they will slowly be placed off mod as HP HoodedCobra verifies this.

If one posts regularly, doesn't generally cause issue on the forum, doesn't break forum rules and posts reasonable things (that includes arguments which may by others be considered as ego-inflated, as these are in the end just topics of discussion and nothing more), one is eligible to be off mod as far as I know.

People can and should freely discuss things. If one disagrees with what another posts, regardless if said person is off mod or not, or even if they are a Guardian or even HP HoodedCobra himself, one is always free to bring this up and discuss it or talk about it.

I personally think most of these issues lie in the fact a lot of people just do not give space to others to voice their opinions, and because a bunch of people are extremely closed minded and stuck in their own opinions believing them to be right and as a result unable to consider other angles of thought on matters.

This too goes both ways. Then too it seems many people take arguments very personally, or make it very personal all the time, which is what causes friction between people.

That again comes down to not giving space to each other to express your thoughts and opinions on matters. Making everything personal and opinionated is what causes the majority of issues.


Rather than that the pursuit of fact is more important and should be first and foremost on any point of discussion.


On practically all subjects an objective consensus can reached regardless of personal opinions on the matter.

This is what should be pursued when discussion is engaged on a subject, to avoid personal arguments and friction between members and also to avoid repeated arguments on the same subjects over and over again.

Division between members due to differing opinions is quite harmful to the unity of our group as a whole.

So long the arguments are reasonable, everyone should have the space to express themselves without any harsh criticism directed against them, and even if it's not reasonable the arguments should be refuted as objectively and impartially as possible to avoid emotions from getting out of control.

Mutual respect for members who have been around for a long time, regardless of different opinions is also desired. At least the courtesy of respect should be given even during disagreements, to avoid actual drama or division between members here.


Lastly on this, I feel personally that it is unreasonable to judge a person harshly based purely on their past post history alone, as the past self does not always reflect the present self.

Jack for example has definitely improved over the time he spend here on that dictating tendency he had.


Since you brought this up:

"Others are more subtle, but when pushed will still display the same levels of insanely inflated ego, like at one point one professed the right to dictate what is and isn't satanic as if he is Satan himself."

I feel like I should explain myself here since it appears this had come across quite differently than how I intended.

Believe it or not, when I wrote that to you, I didn't do so out of any ego-driven desire, neither was it said out of any inflated sense of self worth, nor do I mean to push any belief on others through this. Rather, I am very aware of my exact worth and where exactly I stand.

Through my understanding of Spiritual Satanism, and my ability to communicate with the Gods, to tune into their wisdom and understanding, I can judge objectively in most cases what is in tune with them or not. That is merely what I meant with it.

This is something others can do as well, some can do it better than me. I do not consider this any special, neither do I consider myself very great for this.

I consider it a fairly normal ability that you'd expect most SS to have, but in practice it does show it is currently a minority who are able to do this at a reasonable level of capability.

At the time I wrote it, in my eyes it felt as simply making a statement, I had not fully considered how it would be interpreted by others.


On the point of dictating to others, your perspective is important. I am aware I too have a tendency to push things too directly on others.

Finding the balance between offering advice and leaving people to their devices, letting them do as they will, is not always easy, especially if to you the picture is crystal clear and you know if the person does not heed your advice they will do grave mistakes upon themselves.

For others it may be different, however for me, when I push my thoughts on a matter, I do it because it is painful to see others make significant mistakes or waste a lot of time, energy, effort, etc, on doing things that will only cause harm in the long run when there are better courses of action they can take, or better things to spend their time and energy on.

You may ask, how am I certain other things are better or not? Isn't it just an opinion? To this I can say in most cases, it is not merely an opinion.

I am nowhere near like the Gods, or even like the clergy in my understanding, but I can still see and feel a lot more than the average person or even the average SS. You may call me arrogant for saying this, but is it really arrogance if it is true?

Based on what I see and know I write advice to others, and when I write advice I always do my best to verify that it is objectively correct and true. Therefore, when I write advice I do not write it as an opinion, but as a fact, though I am not always right on everything even if I try to be.

If later I find I was wrong or someone corrects me I'm the first to admit my mistake and I am very grateful for the correction made by another person.

Personally I do not see where there is excessive ego there. If there is, then I want to know since I too seek to improve my conduct and communication to be of better help to people and if greater benefit to the JoS.

Hail Satan!

 

[Jack]

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How do you people expect to reach our 10 year goals for JoS, if you’re all afraid of SS who are different from you? And instead of actually making any personal growth, you just get better at bullshitting.

I'm just giving my opinion on things just like others are. It seems like it is you who are afraid of confrontation which is the process of personal growth. Just because someone is different or thinks differently doesn't mean I have to accept it. If everybody just agreed with everyone there would be no growth in a community.

 

[Jack]

By the way, Jack - I said this partially for your benefit. It's been itching at me to explain it to you so I'm guessing it has some sort of importance. Maybe, maybe not. Anyway, I'm not promoting chaos just so you know. From my observations, you really are afraid of chaos. It could be of benefit to learn how to let go of that need to control and/or avert disaster. Sometimes chaos happens no matter what we do, and we just have to deal with it rather than try everything to prevent it. It's not the end of the universe. It's the fear itself that I suspect might be holding you back. We could argue over whether chaos is good/bad or acceptable/unacceptable, but the fear of chaos does you no good. We shouldn't be afraid of things we can't control.

I was just hoping this would possibly help you if it's needed.

Can you not see the irony of this ? The entire point of this thread has been people arguing about obsession (Control) Vs Giving up and being at peace (Chaos). I'm advocating Chaos because Love like any emotion is Chaos.

And more importantly Love is different for different people and we can't agree on a unified vision of what it is ,ever as a society. Meaning it doesn't even exist as an actual material concept. The argument is about the actions borne out of this issue.

On one hand you have the obsessive Compulsive Fuchs who is going through extreme emotional stress and is resorting to Extremely Obsessive Compulsive Psychopathic tactics to control and in his words "enslave" this woman because he doesn't want to be alone. On the other hand you have people arguing for Personal Transformation through letting go and moving on.

I have a lot of experience with a lot of women and I'm telling you right now as a Matter of principle that a woman who doesn't like and respect you for who you are and you are not her first choice. No matter what magick you do to acquire her you will never be satisfied with her. No one in this thread is a Psychopath and no one here on this thread can be satisfied with spiritually enslaving another person who doesn't want to be with them and be mentally okay with it long-term. You can only fuck her so many times before you realize there is no genuine burning desire.

Again - it's not about a love spell. It's about trying to break her aura ,and bind her to the unwanted obligation of a relationship. I'm just giving my opinion here. No one has the actual ability to stop anyone from doing anything. And no one is trying to do that. We are all giving our advice to this troubled person just as you are.

But you are doing it from a place of helplessness and compensation for feeling powerless. We are doing it from a point of expansion and growth. Only people who have a victim mindset and a vindictive nature would greenlight psychopathic behaviors such as this enslavement talk.

High Value Men who have actual value do not need controlling behaviors such as these because they know they have other options and opportunities for them.

I really am done here. Congratulations, Jack. You win. My heart is broken and I'm swimming in hopelessness. All of my efforts since I arrived here to make a difference were absolutely pointless. You just proved that to me. If I can't change the minds of stubborn people like you, if I can't reach people like you with logic and the truth, then it was all for nothing. Go ahead and pretend that you were all in the right all along and that "no one is trying to do that" (even though some clearly were, like Stormlood for instance, so it's obviously not "no one" but WHATEVER), and that I'm just crazy and "green lighting" bad behavior even though I'm not. Now you're rushing back to our very first argument about the concept of love as if it's relevant because you see the opportunity to kick me while I'm down and recover your worthless pride. I'm horrified by the motivations of certain people around here. I can't do it anymore. I give up on you and everyone else who resisted the truth of my words, and fought me out of bitterness and ego. My efforts to improve the pH of my environment are tragically futile. Everything I was trying to build is useless. People like you care about the wrong things. I hope your stubborn worldview was worth it to you to defend to the bitter end. You've defeated me so your false universe is safe now. Enjoy it. You and everyone else who had a problem with me can feel free to slander me endlessly behind my back from now on, if you're all so inclined. It doesn't matter to me anymore.

Even if you don't believe me, I argued with you so tirelessly in the past because I cared about you and I wanted to see you improve. If that wasn't the case then I never would have gone so far when you were pissing me off and spitefully calling me cuck page after page of comments. You and everyone else who ever felt threatened by me can now take a big sigh of relief because I'm gone from your lives. I'll never be so foolish again to care about people like you and give so much of my time and mental power and experience. You're not worth it to me anymore. Improving other peoples' lives isn't worth it to me anymore, even if it's Satan's forums. I wanted to help everyone rise in their consciousness and mentalities, defeat their programming from jewish society that they weren't able to become aware of on their own, and uplift Satan's people to greater heights. I love Satan, but it's impossible for me. I can't do it. It was all for nothing. I did my best...

Goodbye.

You can't uplift anyone else unless you first uplift yourself. You need to get a bunch of experience in real life and achievements (material) before you can advise other people.

The entire Edgy Nietzsche thing or "Might is Right " thing is just a stepping stone to a higher understanding. Your entire thinking about humanity, yourself and interpersonal relationships will change when you appreciate yourself and realize what your capable of.

I have been confrontational towards other people for a long time but I've grown to not be confrontational anymore. I don't blame other people for whatever happens to me. It's not their fault they are the way they are, and it's not my fault that I'm the way I am.

I understand that other people have not been blessed with conscious awareness like I am. But that doesn't mean I will hold contempt against them and exploit them. This whole trying to be exploitative and at the same time trying to uplift humanity doesn't work together.

The people who are blessed with conscious awareness can understand people who weren't and those people who weren't blessed with conscious awareness cannot understand us. And since the blessed people see the pointlessness of these people's actions, they can either hold contempt against them or they can hope to help some of them out.

It's the entire divide between a Gentile Adolf Hitler SS type aristocracy or a Psychopathic Klaus Swabb type Jewish aristocracy. Adolf Hitler didn't have contempt for his people even though he could have made up unlimited reasons to do so.

The argument of "Oh we don't live in a perfect world so I have free reign to do anything " has never been true because we've always lived in an imperfect world and yet Gentile Aristocracies didn't exploit their own people.

Life isn't that hard. It's just that a lot of people have gone through so many bad experiences that they've been jaded and hate everything and everyone. You have to eventually rise out of this anger and hatred and see the good in yourself and your own capabilities.

Another important thing you have to do is to accept things the way they are. I've always said that when I say "truth" it's actually considering whatever we know. A lot of things in life are assumptions humans made up to make sense of the world around them. Since Humans aren't perfect and don't have omnipotent knowledge whatever we believe in is in the end just an assumption.

The only thing that matters is the consequences borne out of actions that we operate based upon these assumptions.

You can take this thread as an example. What are the consequences borne out of binding someone to you as a sex slave ? For a normal person it makes you depressed, angry ,and feel contempt towards the opposite sex.

It's the same thing I said - no one here is a Psychopath who is capable of being mentally sound with doing these kinds of things.

I'm just giving my opinion about the pitfalls of taking drastic actions borne out of despair, just like I'd give to a younger brother hypothetically.

It's just a very simple thing to understand. You don't have be toxic and be around toxic people. I don't know why people don't do it but you can actually manifest good people in your life who don't fuck you over and your not constantly trying to micromanage their behavior and binding them to things they don't want to do for you.

A lot of people here are just too fucked up mentally and they keep manifesting extremely damaging scenarios. Like do some workings to remove trauma and stuff.

It's very easy to manifest a faithful, beautiful woman who will compatible to you and not fuck you over.

If you're constantly unhappy and confrontational towards everything in life then what has Satanism done for you really ?

If you're an SS and with all the powers and knowledge that you have, your life is shit ,you have unhappy relationships and you can only resort to exploitative workings then your not completely living upto your potential and you need to self improve further.

There are hordes of women who are not raging bitches and sluts. There are a lot of competitive high ambitious people who don't do drugs and drinking are actually cool with good personalities who can be your friends. There are a lot of ways to make money in life even with a fucked up financial system.

People in your situation have done it. If you can't, you're a failure. Simple as that.

 

[FancyMancy]

@VoE I don't mean to try and make this personal and about you, but you prompted me to reply -

While christians are wrong and christianity is a load of toffee (to put it politely)...

For others it may be different, however for me, when I push my thoughts on a matter, I do it because it is painful to see others make significant mistakes or waste a lot of time, energy, effort, etc, on doing things that will only cause harm in the long run when there are better courses of action they can take, or better things to spend their time and energy on.

...this is basically what some christians are like. They think they are knowledgeable, or at least more so than non-christians, and dictate what (they think, have been brainwashed and forced to believe) is what to non-christians. They feel a bit proud, while saying pride is evil, and get a release of feel-good hormones that "god" "will do what needs to be done" because the christian has "planted the seed" - but when "god" does not do "what needs to be done", then either "it's 'god's plan" or "the sinner/non-christian is at fault" - never, ever is it the christian being deluded, delusional, delinquent of reality... (Alliteration definitely intended.)

I used to disagree with this next saying. I since have come to accept it. The saying is "people need to make their own mistakes". You or anyone can try and be very encouraging, but could be stifling, blocking a person off, not giving them time to do things. Some people need more time than others and more space to themselves. They need elbow room, breathing room, but when you/someone are breathing down their neck... well, that's not comfortable. The difference between you and a christian... I shouldn't need to say... is that christians are simply misinformed and believe what they pay a preacher repeatedly who tells them the same things repeatedly. It's like a club with a license fee, and they are obsessed with the same things all the time - instead of learning new things (rather, very ancient-old things, but I mean new to them, different things).

You may call me arrogant for saying this, but is it really arrogance if it is true?

A simple answer could be "there's a fine line between stating the truth confidently about oneself, and arrogance". It could be a lot more complicated to come-up with a more comprehensive answer, though.

…

How do you people expect to reach our 10 year goals for JoS, if you’re all afraid of SS who are different from you? And instead of actually making any personal growth, you just get better at bullshitting.

I'm just giving my opinion on things just like others are. It seems like it is you who are afraid of confrontation which is the process of personal growth. Just because someone is different or thinks differently doesn't mean I have to accept it. If everybody just agreed with everyone there would be no growth in a community.

We would just be an echo chamber - and that's retarded. According to christians, christianity is the only club that exists for its non-members... Like... lol. The Joy of Satan Ministries is to get Humans to improve and better themselves - and society, civilisation and further afield - as a whole, getting rid of enemies and things. We don't need "faith" in a fat, hairy, bearded faerieman in the beyond-the-sky, nor do we need to guilt people by manipulating them emotionally with trickery. All christianity is is a confidence-man's game with their (im)potent (anti)snake-oil (see what I did there). It is Nature and Science which we look to - 666 is Nature intrinsically, inherently, innately, inalienably (just to emphasise!), so 'nuff sed.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [SG]]

This is truly dissonant and disappointing. Hatred and animosity put forth under the guise of good faith and argumentation that can be easily interpreted in both ways, creating opposition, disunity. 

Why these personal defamation exist here? Christians? Ego? 

This is second hand manipulation and everyone should bow to the barking tree? 

Everyone tries to a degree to manage the others parties emotions and reactions, somehow this responsibility not only is not known to some, but profit off of it, and more than so blame it. Guilt tripping people because of an agenda, at least a personal one and dissatisfaction. 

I want to see where all of this accusations were forced onto people, where this became a xian gathering and why this became this animosity. Where and how? 

Tomorrow we will have requests for people to meditate for them and buying workings, because the goiym is stupid and lazy. 

"Off mod clique"? Am I insane or this is not perceived as what is it? Should I indulge these laughable try outs by the real clique forming behind the curtains? 

The bearded jew just cursed all of our gentile families and someone has a problem with the " mafia". 

The " tendrils" concept being bought forth is a lie first of all. Aimed at stimulating degenerative behavior and opening the premises of conceptualizing acts of no valid pursuits. Tendrils are a form of binding with the aim of synergic communion, which in reality is nothing more than a product of imagination.

The real astral without the imaginative aspect is as simple as two points being connected with or without a line of different colors.  The material part has the tendrils as a manifestation of the hive consciousness the plants share, which is a different form of life that has the life shared with all of the plants. 

Then upon this opening it came that someone somehow forced their own morality and ethics onto this, this being a lie. Nobody can force these ever, the problem being the existence of opinion, this created the hurting "ego" which is blamed here. 

Now we have this promotion of disunity and "mafia", deliberate to create animosity and imply groups and sides with the argument (the fucking audacity) that this is because of a xianized behaviour and invalidation of Satan's agenda. 

Where is Satan agenda being bought here, where is the self controlling aspect, the analysis, the unity, the constructive creation and purposeful destruction of obstacles. 

All I see is being implemented bit by bit, over the course of a lot of time, damaging and questionable practices on terms which are very sensible and none controllable ( confusion is an aspect this grows on and a jew tactic) and further upon this ground, separation, alienation under a guise of victimhood, confusion and popularims revolution. 

It is for a reason there's is natural hierarchy in life. I am extremely angered at these low manifestations put forth with such virility and not being condemned in a normal fashion. 

Using valid arguments unrelated to the perceived problem, as means to manipulate the narratives is cultivated with no good purpose here. 

This should stop. 

This is an obstacle and fear originator, that people of Satan should not help the other, because of the big bully mafia of off mod, giving also credence and fuel to the enemies of JoS to create narratives.

If only people would really connect to the Gods, would comprehend the immense responsibility everyone has. 

From the sacred stance, it is dwelled into mud and pettiness, jewy confusion and adherence. 

Everytime during mercury retrograde and schedule, this jewish agenda is being promoted.

If this isn't resolved internally by reflection, no one can do it for you. It is a time for growth it is also a time to not turn the other cheek, so by all means please stop, I am disgusted by everything this entails and I won't take part of it.

 

[Stormblood]

...

One question: have you thought that her behaviour toward the heteroracial guy may actually be enemy influence? The enemy likes attacking both the SS and any non-SS linked to them, to manipulate them and bring bad occurrences in their life. Non-SS are less protected from this, so this could be an option. They could be trying to harm you through outside circumstances.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

@VoE I don't mean to try and make this personal and about you, but you prompted me to reply -

While christians are wrong and christianity is a load of toffee (to put it politely)...

For others it may be different, however for me, when I push my thoughts on a matter, I do it because it is painful to see others make significant mistakes or waste a lot of time, energy, effort, etc, on doing things that will only cause harm in the long run when there are better courses of action they can take, or better things to spend their time and energy on.

...this is basically what some christians are like. They think they are knowledgeable, or at least more so than non-christians, and dictate what (they think, have been brainwashed and forced to believe) is what to non-christians. They feel a bit proud, while saying pride is evil, and get a release of feel-good hormones that "god" "will do what needs to be done" because the christian has "planted the seed" - but when "god" does not do "what needs to be done", then either "it's 'god's plan" or "the sinner/non-christian is at fault" - never, ever is it the christian being deluded, delusional, delinquent of reality... (Alliteration definitely intended.)

I used to disagree with this next saying. I since have come to accept it. The saying is "people need to make their own mistakes". You or anyone can try and be very encouraging, but could be stifling, blocking a person off, not giving them time to do things. Some people need more time than others and more space to themselves. They need elbow room, breathing room, but when you/someone are breathing down their neck... well, that's not comfortable. The difference between you and a christian... I shouldn't need to say... is that christians are simply misinformed and believe what they pay a preacher repeatedly who tells them the same things repeatedly. It's like a club with a license fee, and they are obsessed with the same things all the time - instead of learning new things (rather, very ancient-old things, but I mean new to them, different things).

You may call me arrogant for saying this, but is it really arrogance if it is true?

A simple answer could be "there's a fine line between stating the truth confidently about oneself, and arrogance". It could be a lot more complicated to come-up with a more comprehensive answer, though.

For your reply to make sense, I have to ask in what way my displayed behavior on the forum is in practice similar to that of xians though?

On the subject of "people need to make their own mistakes", indeed this is true and I know this all too well, however when a mistake is already in progress and one is aware of this, I personally believe it is irresponsible and outright wrong to not bring this up to the said person and guide them to a better path instead before a mistake is taken too far, and I do believe some measure of force (through direct verbal or in this case, written confrontation) is warranted and sometimes necessary to this pursuit.

Whether some xian persons or other persons use a similar reasoning for their ways does not seem relevant to me, as I believe it is the quality and depth of the given advice and action taken that matters more rather than the chosen means by whatever person.

In actuality the reasoning of a xian to preach what he does really cannot be any more different from my own reason to write on matters or to people. I had thought that to be fairly obvious from my time spend here.

Not to mention, when one is able to provide certain levels of understanding, it makes little sense to compare them to such a lowly individual based on the chosen means of communication alone, unless the means itself truly is appalling.

Anyone can choose to dictate certain things to others, what matters is that which is dictated and the intent behind it to determine whether it truly is wrong or inappropriate or lowly of the said individual to do.


I value any feedback or even criticism I receive, as I myself am here to grow as much as I am here to help others and for the sake of advancement of Satanism as a whole.

That said, I do fail to see how most of what you replied to me actually applies to me however. Perhaps you could elaborate on that if I truly happen to miss the point.

Hail Satan!

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

...

Good observation. I agree with this as well.

 

[FancyMancy]

@VoE I don't mean to try and make this personal and about you, but you prompted me to reply -

While christians are wrong and christianity is a load of toffee (to put it politely)...

For others it may be different, however for me, when I push my thoughts on a matter, I do it because it is painful to see others make significant mistakes or waste a lot of time, energy, effort, etc, on doing things that will only cause harm in the long run when there are better courses of action they can take, or better things to spend their time and energy on.

...this is basically what some christians are like. They think they are knowledgeable, or at least more so than non-christians, and dictate what (they think, have been brainwashed and forced to believe) is what to non-christians. They feel a bit proud, while saying pride is evil, and get a release of feel-good hormones that "god" "will do what needs to be done" because the christian has "planted the seed" - but when "god" does not do "what needs to be done", then either "it's 'god's plan" or "the sinner/non-christian is at fault" - never, ever is it the christian being deluded, delusional, delinquent of reality... (Alliteration definitely intended.)

I used to disagree with this next saying. I since have come to accept it. The saying is "people need to make their own mistakes". You or anyone can try and be very encouraging, but could be stifling, blocking a person off, not giving them time to do things. Some people need more time than others and more space to themselves. They need elbow room, breathing room, but when you/someone are breathing down their neck... well, that's not comfortable. The difference between you and a christian... I shouldn't need to say... is that christians are simply misinformed and believe what they pay a preacher repeatedly who tells them the same things repeatedly. It's like a club with a license fee, and they are obsessed with the same things all the time - instead of learning new things (rather, very ancient-old things, but I mean new to them, different things).

You may call me arrogant for saying this, but is it really arrogance if it is true?

A simple answer could be "there's a fine line between stating the truth confidently about oneself, and arrogance". It could be a lot more complicated to come-up with a more comprehensive answer, though.

For your reply to make sense, I have to ask in what way my displayed behavior on the forum is in practice similar to that of xians though?

On the subject of "people need to make their own mistakes", indeed this is true and I know this all too well, however when a mistake is already in progress and one is aware of this, I personally believe it is irresponsible and outright wrong to not bring this up to the said person and guide them to a better path instead before a mistake is taken too far, and I do believe some measure of force (through direct verbal or in this case, written confrontation) is warranted and sometimes necessary to this pursuit.

Whether some xian persons or other persons use a similar reasoning for their ways does not seem relevant to me, as I believe it is the quality and depth of the given advice and action taken that matters more rather than the chosen means by whatever person.

In actuality the reasoning of a xian to preach what he does really cannot be any more different from my own reason to write on matters or to people. I had thought that to be fairly obvious from my time spend here.

Not to mention, when one is able to provide certain levels of understanding, it makes little sense to compare them to such a lowly individual based on the chosen means of communication alone, unless the means itself truly is appalling.

Anyone can choose to dictate certain things to others, what matters is that which is dictated and the intent behind it to determine whether it truly is wrong or inappropriate or lowly of the said individual to do.


I value any feedback or even criticism I receive, as I myself am here to grow as much as I am here to help others and for the sake of advancement of Satanism as a whole.

That said, I do fail to see how most of what you replied to me actually applies to me however. Perhaps you could elaborate on that if I truly happen to miss the point.

Hail Satan!

I don't mean just you personally. I have noticed it generally with anyone, on this forum, in christians, and elsewhere. I relate things to christianity due to having been one myself. I am against christianity, of course, so I mention it a lot in this way. I also don't try to remember how people post on here (which I have said before quite recently). I have not remembered how you post, so I am basing it just on what I quoted in my reply above - that when you say about you pushing your thoughts about something onto someone. It, to me, is similar to like how christians want the best for someone (allegedly), so they insist and insist and insist that what has been drummed into them is the truth, blindly, and to the annoyance and/or detriment of the other person; you said you "push my thoughts on a matter", so based solely on that in the quote it reminded me about christians pushing their nonsense upon others. (I am not saying that what you say is nonsense.)

I am not a psychologist, but there must be something here in the Human Mind/Psyche which makes whomever think that what they know is truth and correct and all else is evil and bad - whether they are this, that, or the other, whichever thing they belong to. Again (as you might have seen me mention before) I think it relates to the in-group/out-group aspect or phenomenon of things. Allegedly, the mere presence of another group (an out-group) causes and creates prejudice; some in the in-group might want to try and change the minds of the out-group, perhaps with the best intentions at heart, but christianity-ly or communist-ly trying to force everyone else to be the same as them; i.e. pushing and insisting upon others. I think it's because we all strive to survive and we work with what we know, we do our best with what we have - and for those who are convinced, correctly or foolishly, they feel the need to help others with the tools at their disposal. It just reminded me of how christians are, as I used to be one. No offence or anything intended.

It sounds like you must(?) make it your own responsibility to save everyone else. Similar to what a member said about another member recently, (if I may ask) do you (think you) have a saviour syndrome? (Instead of "complex", I say "syndrome" - A distinctive or characteristic pattern of behaviour.)

We can do only so much; at the end of the day, only one can change oneself. I used to lack responsibility - and I won't say I am there fully yet but I am realising that being responsible for changing myself to improve and be better is my, and my alone, doing; no-one - no jew psycho group, no member or clergy, no God or Goddess, no friend or family member... no-one - but me will change me, no matter how much someone else pushes or insists upon me; likewise, negativity (jew curses) can change me if I allow them to; it is my responsibility to change me. As a christian, I relied on jewsus; now, I (try to and am learning to) rely on me (with any help and guidance and Guardianship as necessary, I hope). Still - only I can change me, though.

(For example)You might be direct and stern with me in a reply or confrontation or whatever, but based on what I just quoted, am I right in thinking that you try and take on too much responsibility for others? To either get them to or make them change? They, one, can be guided only if they allow it and choose it to be, no matter how pained or frustrated you might get. This also reminds me of another thread about trying to change other people's minds about whatever; of course, naturally I consider christians waking up - it's a waste of time; if they don't want to change, then they won't. It may be my responsibility more than some others', because I used to be a christian, but offering links and explaining, if nothing else, that 666 is NATURAL and in NATURE which "god" "created"... then it's up to them to ignore it (which they very-most-probably will). I could insist and push and force and keep going, but it would be such a waste. I think a lot of us, who would not quit but continue pushing and insisting and forcing and keeping on going, think, hope, believe, wish that if we say just one more thing, the right argument, phrased in the right way, push just a tiny bit further then the other person will start to think and eventually be saved (and we'd receive feel-good hormones as a bonus result, as a reward). It just doesn't happen, though. It's effectively like those grabbing machine things at arcades if. i. can. just. go. a. bit. further. and gambling - just. one. more. little. win. Sorry, but no.

Perhaps it is me who has just misunderstood things here. If that is the case, and again you disagree with what I reply, then there is no need to reply back to me.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

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Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on this, and writing such a thorough reply.

I did not see any link with that typical xian "savior" behavior and my own in this as I have never been a xian, and have never been around compulsive xians with that sort of xian "savior" complex that you described, so I haven't personally experienced examples of that to compare with, but I understand the parallel you may notice, though I do still believe that in practice there isn't that much overlap in my mentality and course of action and that of those xian "savior, holier than thou" types of people.

However there are still things for me to take away from what you wrote.

On one hand I already am aware of everything you wrote, however reading that again written by another made me more aware and conscious of all this, in a good way.

You are correct that I do have a tendency to want to "save" others from what I feel are major mistakes a person is making, or make people aware of what they are doing when I feel they don't realize the consequence and cost of an action they are undertaking.

Then second I also have a tendency to be unrealistically optimistic in being to help most people, optimistic that people can come around, and have a tendency to make people come around part of my responsibility.

I've always been a very empathic person, and have always been very sensitive towards other people and what is going on with them.

I used to be far more obsessive about giving actual compulsive advices to people from a genuine savior complex, which overall I have toned down by about 90% already, but I still have room to grow on that front.

Despite that this was unrelated to the original subject of this topic, it was a fruitful exchange.

Hail Satan!

 

[Dahaarkan]

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The point is not division but dialogue. The off mod mafia term is simply a nod to the fact some people who exhibit such behaviors happen to be off mod. Which is the more severe case when someone who should be leading by example, is making a fool of themselves.

You should understand the way you convey your message is just as important as the content of said message. Sugar coating isn't necessary, but I have noted often times people are approached in a standoffish manner.

If, for example Satan, were to proclaim that every one of us are worthless, pathetic half breed insects in comparison to Him and His tremendous power, would any of us serve in His designs?

Probably not. Even though the above is undeniable truth. Instead Satan guides us in recognizing our flaws and bettering ourselves in a welcoming, patient and respectable manner.


This comes down to being persuasive in your attempts at education. You can say something that is absolute truth, and valuable information or advice, and the recipient rejects your message simply because of the way you conveyed it.

In the case you're mentioning, to me it was simply some person I've never met attempting to push upon me their beliefs, and utilizing Satan's name in a selfish attempt at dictating to me what is and isn't acceptable according to his opinion. Perhaps I misinterpreted, or perhaps the way you conveyed your message brought this.

I believe some people convey information in ways that makes them appear snobbish, even arrogant and almost aggressive at times. This only pushes people away. Again, not saying we have to sugar coat everything. But the gordon ramsay style is just jumping to another extreme. Find a middle ground, relax. Have restraint and some patience with people is all.

Some people don't care, or even celebrate when people say they are leaving the group. I get pissed off when I see this, and would like to mitigate such. And I do feel certain individuals who should be leading by example, are lacking when it comes to contributing to a welcoming and comfortable learning environment for new members.

The point of this, is dialogue. Others besides myself have voiced similar concerns and this should be talked about.

 

[Dahaarkan]

This is truly dissonant and disappointing. Hatred and animosity put forth under the guise of good faith and argumentation that can be easily interpreted in both ways, creating opposition, disunity. 

Why these personal defamation exist here? Christians? Ego? 

This is second hand manipulation and everyone should bow to the barking tree? 

Everyone tries to a degree to manage the others parties emotions and reactions, somehow this responsibility not only is not known to some, but profit off of it, and more than so blame it. Guilt tripping people because of an agenda, at least a personal one and dissatisfaction. 

I want to see where all of this accusations were forced onto people, where this became a xian gathering and why this became this animosity. Where and how? 

Tomorrow we will have requests for people to meditate for them and buying workings, because the goiym is stupid and lazy. 

"Off mod clique"? Am I insane or this is not perceived as what is it? Should I indulge these laughable try outs by the real clique forming behind the curtains? 

The bearded jew just cursed all of our gentile families and someone has a problem with the " mafia". 

The " tendrils" concept being bought forth is a lie first of all. Aimed at stimulating degenerative behavior and opening the premises of conceptualizing acts of no valid pursuits. Tendrils are a form of binding with the aim of synergic communion, which in reality is nothing more than a product of imagination.

The real astral without the imaginative aspect is as simple as two points being connected with or without a line of different colors.  The material part has the tendrils as a manifestation of the hive consciousness the plants share, which is a different form of life that has the life shared with all of the plants. 

Then upon this opening it came that someone somehow forced their own morality and ethics onto this, this being a lie. Nobody can force these ever, the problem being the existence of opinion, this created the hurting "ego" which is blamed here. 

Now we have this promotion of disunity and "mafia", deliberate to create animosity and imply groups and sides with the argument (the fucking audacity) that this is because of a xianized behaviour and invalidation of Satan's agenda. 

Where is Satan agenda being bought here, where is the self controlling aspect, the analysis, the unity, the constructive creation and purposeful destruction of obstacles. 

All I see is being implemented bit by bit, over the course of a lot of time, damaging and questionable practices on terms which are very sensible and none controllable ( confusion is an aspect this grows on and a jew tactic) and further upon this ground, separation, alienation under a guise of victimhood, confusion and popularims revolution. 

It is for a reason there's is natural hierarchy in life. I am extremely angered at these low manifestations put forth with such virility and not being condemned in a normal fashion. 

Using valid arguments unrelated to the perceived problem, as means to manipulate the narratives is cultivated with no good purpose here. 

This should stop. 

This is an obstacle and fear originator, that people of Satan should not help the other, because of the big bully mafia of off mod, giving also credence and fuel to the enemies of JoS to create narratives.

If only people would really connect to the Gods, would comprehend the immense responsibility everyone has. 

From the sacred stance, it is dwelled into mud and pettiness, jewy confusion and adherence. 

Everytime during mercury retrograde and schedule, this jewish agenda is being promoted.

If this isn't resolved internally by reflection, no one can do it for you. It is a time for growth it is also a time to not turn the other cheek, so by all means please stop, I am disgusted by everything this entails and I won't take part of it.

Your post is a complete mess, why are you randomly bringing psychic vampirism into this? How about you calm down and write a post when you're not hysterical. Note how I didn't name anybody and simply threw out there loose criticisms that honestly isn't really aimed at any specific person. I did this deliberately.

You seem to be very agitated at what I said. What's wrong?

Do you feel this was aimed at you?

If that's the case then perhaps you should look inward and at your behavior, if you felt the above was criticizing you specifically. What you would see if you were not hysterical, is dialogue.


I suppose it's easier to simply say that I have an agenda, or personal problems with members, than to actually address anything that I've said. You can sit there and continue crying about me having a jewish agenda and wanting to divide people. When in truth as you do this, you are simply attempting to turn people against me in a vicious fashion. So who's trying to pit SS against each other here?

The point of the above post is dialogue, and also to try to push people to do some introspection on their behavior and activity. Which in my opinion, some people have become problematic, and the way they convey themselves discourages new members from asking questions in fear of being bombarded from every direction.


And no, dialogue should not stop just because you can't handle any criticism. Which wasn't even directed at you specifically but you clearly felt that it was, and this is very revealing. Maybe look inward?

Maybe also relax and stop treating me like I'm the enemy, simply because I said something you think is wrong. The above was written out of actual concern for the group's health. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. Crying over the keyboard and ranting about me having an agenda achieves nothing besides making you look childish.

After you've calmed down write a post with your actual opinion on what I said, and how people are treated in the forums. I'd like to read your thoughts.

 

[tabby]

…

How do you people expect to reach our 10 year goals for JoS, if you’re all afraid of SS who are different from you? And instead of actually making any personal growth, you just get better at bullshitting.

I'm just giving my opinion on things just like others are. It seems like it is you who are afraid of confrontation which is the process of personal growth. Just because someone is different or thinks differently doesn't mean I have to accept it. If everybody just agreed with everyone there would be no growth in a community.

Can you guys "choose not to accept" in a way that doesn't personally target people just because you don't like them, and they don't take shit laying down?

It's the same thing again and again. Unwarranted personal attacks or mockery, passive aggression, twisting arguments, putting words in people's mouths, manipulating people's comments so you can argue points that didn't exist in the discussion to make yourselves look superior, playing the "I ain't doing anything, didn't start nothing" game, gaps in knowledge. It gets pretty repetitive and tiring after a while, and it breeds resentment and unnecessary tension. Many arguments could be avoided with just a little more care to understand, a little more control and discipline, and a little more civility, honesty, and respect - I say that for anyone, myself included...

I know I've handled things in a pretty shit way sometimes, and could have said or done things better/differently. Unfortunately, I'm a slow learner. Though I wouldn't choose to go back and change anything of my past behaviour here, my first year has been filled with all the lessons I need to make the next ones the best I can. I don't need to be afraid of the things I can learn to handle since it's not confrontation that I fear. I'm already taking care of natal issues with a Mars square starting today, and discipline affirmations started over a week ago which are doing pretty well already.

 

[NinRick]

This is truly dissonant and disappointing. Hatred and animosity put forth under the guise of good faith and argumentation that can be easily interpreted in both ways, creating opposition, disunity. 

I agree with everything you said, and especially with this here. That’s what I wanted to point out, but didn’t elaborate as not to make a fuss about it. Thanks for making this clear brother.

(And for people saying that this is a off-mod gang here, it’s not. I am just attracted to strong and advanced Satanists. I love and respect Satanists based on their advancement, understanding, experience, and how close they are to the Gods, as this is hierarchy of life, so of course I naturally respect and love those who are above me. Because disclaimer - those people are greater in understanding than me. And in my view VoiceofEnki, NakedPluto and Lydia are the only members here you could call advanced, because people like to throw the term „advanced“ around a lot. The rest of us are below them, at this very moment.)

 

[Alexandros Iowno [SG]]

Your post is a complete mess, why are you randomly bringing psychic vampirism into this? How about you calm down and write a post when you're not hysterical. Note how I didn't name anybody and simply threw out there loose criticisms that honestly isn't really aimed at any specific person. I did this deliberately.

You seem to be very agitated at what I said. What's wrong?

Do you feel this was aimed at you?

If that's the case then perhaps you should look inward and at your behavior, if you felt the above was criticizing you specifically. What you would see if you were not hysterical, is dialogue.


I suppose it's easier to simply say that I have an agenda, or personal problems with members, than to actually address anything that I've said. You can sit there and continue crying about me having a jewish agenda and wanting to divide people. When in truth as you do this, you are simply attempting to turn people against me in a vicious fashion. So who's trying to pit SS against each other here?

The point of the above post is dialogue, and also to try to push people to do some introspection on their behavior and activity. Which in my opinion, some people have become problematic, and the way they convey themselves discourages new members from asking questions in fear of being bombarded from every direction.


And no, dialogue should not stop just because you can't handle any criticism. Which wasn't even directed at you specifically but you clearly felt that it was, and this is very revealing. Maybe look inward?

Maybe also relax and stop treating me like I'm the enemy, simply because I said something you think is wrong. The above was written out of actual concern for the group's health. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. Crying over the keyboard and ranting about me having an agenda achieves nothing besides making you look childish.

After you've calmed down write a post with your actual opinion on what I said, and how people are treated in the forums. I'd like to read your thoughts.

Hysterical? Other ways for this toxic behavior to exemplify yourself? I know you have the tendency to degrade everything at first sight, being a reaction of self defense, as reality is not as you want it to be.

However, you did attack the forum altogether with your extremely insulting remarks.

"The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt" 

You have a problem with everyone and everything, with abrupt enthusiasm in which you manifest toxic behaviour and treat everything exactly as you accuse people of. You are ranting and dictating supposed problems and behavioral problems, while giving passive aggressive remarks. 

"Being the underdog" is a value you gave yourself to further pertain to people that you think are in need of your ideologies, ideas that are of neither benefit to anyone. 

All is fine, but the narrative of the mafia and other disrespecting remarks are to be stopped and put to the trash. If anyone ever would've said that to me personally, it would be the greatest insult ever. So trash this rabbinical behaviour you accuse people off. 

No one stands here to be spit insults like these in the forums. 

The forums are not just forums. This is a temple, everything is sacred. Your timing is also extremely unforgiving so as I already said, grow up.

Looking inward this may prove to be key to you. I myself think that I have looked inward more that you looked outside. Take that for a hysterical run or simply a joke.

 

[Stormblood]

Hysterical? Other ways for this toxic behavior to exemplify yourself? I know you have the tendency to degrade everything at first sight, being a reaction of self defense, as reality is not as you want it to be.

However, you did attack the forum altogether with your extremely insulting remarks.

"The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt" 

You have a problem with everyone and everything, with abrupt enthusiasm in which you manifest toxic behaviour and treat everything exactly as you accuse people of. You are ranting and dictating supposed problems and behavioral problems, while giving passive aggressive remarks. 

"Being the underdog" is a value you gave yourself to further pertain to people that you think are in need of your ideologies, ideas that are of neither benefit to anyone. 

All is fine, but the narrative of the mafia and other disrespecting remarks are to be stopped and put to the trash. If anyone ever would've said that to me personally, it would be the greatest insult ever. So trash this rabbinical behaviour you accuse people off. 

No one stands here to be spit insults like these in the forums. 

The forums are not just forums. This is a temple, everything is sacred. Your timing is also extremely unforgiving so as I already said, grow up.

Looking inward this may prove to be key to you. I myself think that I have looked inward more that you looked outside. Take that for a hysterical run or simply a joke.

There are people who are libelling the Guardians and people off-mod in the cursed rat den. I wonder where they took the idea :roll: and especially the remarks and writing style that are identical to certain people (plural, not person) on here, past and present.

 

[Jack]

I really am done here. Congratulations, Jack. You win. My heart is broken and I'm swimming in hopelessness. All of my efforts since I arrived here to make a difference were absolutely pointless. You just proved that to me. If I can't change the minds of stubborn people like you, if I can't reach people like you with logic and the truth, then it was all for nothing. Go ahead and pretend that you were all in the right all along and that "no one is trying to do that" (even though some clearly were, like Stormlood for instance, so it's obviously not "no one" but WHATEVER), and that I'm just crazy and "green lighting" bad behavior even though I'm not. Now you're rushing back to our very first argument about the concept of love as if it's relevant because you see the opportunity to kick me while I'm down and recover your worthless pride. I'm horrified by the motivations of certain people around here. I can't do it anymore. I give up on you and everyone else who resisted the truth of my words, and fought me out of bitterness and ego. My efforts to improve the pH of my environment are tragically futile. Everything I was trying to build is useless. People like you care about the wrong things. I hope your stubborn worldview was worth it to you to defend to the bitter end. You've defeated me so your false universe is safe now. Enjoy it. You and everyone else who had a problem with me can feel free to slander me endlessly behind my back from now on, if you're all so inclined. It doesn't matter to me anymore.

Even if you don't believe me, I argued with you so tirelessly in the past because I cared about you and I wanted to see you improve. If that wasn't the case then I never would have gone so far when you were pissing me off and spitefully calling me cuck page after page of comments. You and everyone else who ever felt threatened by me can now take a big sigh of relief because I'm gone from your lives. I'll never be so foolish again to care about people like you and give so much of my time and mental power and experience. You're not worth it to me anymore. Improving other peoples' lives isn't worth it to me anymore, even if it's Satan's forums. I wanted to help everyone rise in their consciousness and mentalities, defeat their programming from jewish society that they weren't able to become aware of on their own, and uplift Satan's people to greater heights. I love Satan, but it's impossible for me. I can't do it. It was all for nothing. I did my best...

Goodbye.

If you read jack's post history you will understand the level of his psyche when he goes into his dreams of micro managing people's lives as a dictator. Herein lies the root of the issue with the off mod mafia, and this is not to say that these people have ill will or a desire to damage others.

This is the mental state of some of these people, the belief that they know everything, and that their word is law. Jack is blatant in this, wears his arrogance like a badge of honor. Others are more subtle, but when pushed will still display the same levels of insanely inflated ego, like at one point one professed the right to dictate what is and isn't satanic as if he is Satan himself.

Simply overwhelming levels of ego and arrogance to a point they believe they know what's best for everybody at all times. They feed each other's delusions, and will attempt to destroy anyone who doesn't feed these, or worse calls them out on such stupidity. Some of them have improved dramatically on this, others simply got worse.

The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt. Neither clergy nor the gods, or even SATAN HIMSELF, intrude in people's lives to micro manage and dictate everything they should do, how they should think, and how they should live. But the off mod mafia presumes to have the right to do this. And will go to extreme lengths to force their views and beliefs on others.

I understand your decision to leave and even encourage it for a while for your mental health. I appreciate your support but would have discouraged you from getting involved because you'll be a target forever now.

This isn't your responsibility and not your problem, so relax. I'm sure you have better things to focus on than these people. Good luck out there man.

This is actually completely untrue as well. The Gods actually do interfere heavily in a lot of people's lives. And that is if the Satanist has been working for a lot of time for our cause or trying to gain closer and gain guidance from them.

Even in this thread a person said that they were advised by the Gods not to get back with their ex. Lydia recently said that she was advised to Vibrate the name of a Demon during a transit.

All of us here who are members have received guidance from the Gods to NOT take a course of drastic action and that is simply what we've advised Fuchs to do. The Gods do help and guide and in that sense manage people who are close to them. You not understanding this simple sentiment is simply proof that your not advanced enough to receive or recognize Divine Help.

No one is trying to micromanage anything. These things are common sense to people, unless one is a sociopath or a full blown Psychopath who doesn't have a healthy mind. We are simply trying to help a troubled soul navigate life by giving him informed options.

It's not driving people away from Satan. It's improving people who are already close to Satan. And the people who go down worthless paths in life after being informed will be worthless to our cause either way.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Hysterical? Other ways for this toxic behavior to exemplify yourself? I know you have the tendency to degrade everything at first sight, being a reaction of self defense, as reality is not as you want it to be.

However, you did attack the forum altogether with your extremely insulting remarks.

"The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt" 

You have a problem with everyone and everything, with abrupt enthusiasm in which you manifest toxic behaviour and treat everything exactly as you accuse people of. You are ranting and dictating supposed problems and behavioral problems, while giving passive aggressive remarks. 

"Being the underdog" is a value you gave yourself to further pertain to people that you think are in need of your ideologies, ideas that are of neither benefit to anyone. 

All is fine, but the narrative of the mafia and other disrespecting remarks are to be stopped and put to the trash. If anyone ever would've said that to me personally, it would be the greatest insult ever. So trash this rabbinical behaviour you accuse people off. 

No one stands here to be spit insults like these in the forums. 

The forums are not just forums. This is a temple, everything is sacred. Your timing is also extremely unforgiving so as I already said, grow up.

Looking inward this may prove to be key to you. I myself think that I have looked inward more that you looked outside. Take that for a hysterical run or simply a joke.

Ignoring the literal "no u" bit, I have to say I disagree. There are certain members who have approached inexperienced people in unacceptable ways before, and I'm not talking about just recent examples, it's been happening for a long time, even long before off mod was a thing. And sometimes it still happens.

No ideology is being pushed here. I'm literally just asking that we all have more patience, restraint and respect especially for misguided people so we can keep them.


Stormblood for once is right about something that there are people who are riled up against some off mod members. To say that this was created by me, and not the years of abhorrent disrespectful behavior, and the people who were driven away by crude remarks and overly harsh and critical responses, is hilarious.

This is something I've been wanting to talk about for years. This isn't recent.

I retract the off mod mafia comment. I agree it is baity and divisive. But I still think there's a problem, albeit not as bad as it used to be. I think the worst person with this behavior has improved dramatically, I've been watching their posts and they are almost like a completely different person now and I think that's great.


I also never felt like the underdog, or said that I felt that way. Maybe you see me that way because you have some inflated sense of status?

I'll remind you again that the above wasn't directed at any specific persons, but you still feel personally insulted by it. I said already the people who have shit behavior are a small minority. So why are you attempting to twist my post as if I'm saying all off mod members are trash. Almost all of them are great, almost.

I'd encourage all of you, who clearly want to actively be a part of the forums on a daily basis, to watch the people who were selected to be Guardians, and learn from their example. And compare the way they convey themselves and their message over the years to yours.


I do not want to divide the forums or pit people against each other. I want talk. When you make these posts, desperately attempting to silence any dialogue on this, you only give ammo to the people who actually are attempting to divide the group.

 

[Dahaarkan]

This is actually completely untrue as well. The Gods actually do interfere heavily in a lot of people's lives. And that is if the Satanist has been working for a lot of time for our cause or trying to gain closer and gain guidance from them.

Even in this thread a person said that they were advised by the Gods not to get back with their ex. Lydia recently said that she was advised to Vibrate the name of a Demon during a transit.

All of us here who are members have received guidance from the Gods to NOT take a course of drastic action and that is simply what we've advised Fuchs to do. The Gods do help and guide and in that sense manage people who are close to them. You not understanding this simple sentiment is simply proof that your not advanced enough to receive or recognize Divine Help.

No one is trying to micromanage anything. These things are common sense to people, unless one is a sociopath or a full blown Psychopath who doesn't have a healthy mind. We are simply trying to help a troubled soul navigate life by giving him informed options.

It's not driving people away from Satan. It's improving people who are already close to Satan. And the people who go down worthless paths in life after being informed will be worthless to our cause either way.

You want to be a leader jack let me give you some advice on persuasion. The way you convey yourself, is as important as the contents of your message.

You can be telling someone absolute truth, but simply the way you convey yourself can make them reject your message and vilify you. It's one thing to give guidance, it's another to intrude and nag and dictate constantly. I've received more help from Satan than I could ever give back. But what I never received was a voice in my ear shouting at me that I'm an idiot or forcing me to do things differently.

The above post isn't just about your activity on this thread. You've clearly demonstrated a desire for controlling people's lives tightly before, unless you've abandoned this idea?


Leadership is about charisma and warmth. Having these two will make people follow you regardless of your intentions. You can be a liar and a traitor and have lots of people still follow you, or you can be a truthful and genuine leader and nobody will follow you simply because you lack the above.

The point is depending on the way you convey your message, people can accept or reject it simply based on how you word your statements and present yourself, disregarding if it is true or not. Especially in inexperienced, new people, they are very sensitive to these things and simply approaching them the wrong way can drive them away.

Many people who come here are desperate, confused and emotionally imbalanced. There's also pressure from the enemy upon them to leave, and if we aren't welcoming and patient, this can be enough to drive them away forever. It's not fair to say that people who leave would always be worthless anyway.

Every single one of you here, who have been here for years, if when you first arrived, when you were at your most fragile and weakest state, if you had been approached in abhorrent manner, you probably wouldn't be here today. You were given answers, patience and guidance and look at you now.


Every person who left because they felt insulted, unwelcome, attacked or harassed, could be on your level, or even above you if given patience and restraint by older members. Most of you don't give a shit about this. People leave and you either don't care, or celebrate it like it's a victory.

Sure, some people are too extreme and need to be removed, but some get completely blasted just because maybe they are kind of annoying or ignorant. I bring attention primarily to off mod folks because these are the people who JoS trusts to do the right thing and give a positive image to the forums, and when I see someone off mod blasting someone for no reason, or being snobbish or standoffish, it's such a betrayal in my eyes.

 

[Dahaarkan]

The truth of the matter which you will never admit, is that the issue here isn't the contents of my posts, or the concerns that I've exposed, but simply that they come from me.

Anybody else could have made the above posts and would have been fine, and addressed as valid concerns, but because it comes from Dahaarkan, you are agitated and feel attacked.


You guys hate me with a burning passion because I'm the only person here who will tell you to your face that you've done something wrong, or are behaving childishly. Nobody else dares criticize you and if they do, you drive them out.

Or maybe you feel threatened by me in someway, perhaps because I was there watching you when you were first taking baby steps as Satanists. I have nothing but pride for what you've accomplished, but that isn't to say that you're perfect and that I won't also mention when you do something wrong.

But you can't get rid of me so you might as well just accept the dialogue and maybe grow from it. None of you are perfect, you've all made mistakes and continue to do them every now and then. As do I, as does everybody. Lashing out at me or anybody else when your mistakes are pointed out doesn't help you, and doesn't help anybody.

Some of you have become snobbish and standoffish. Some have improved on this, others only degraded. And it's reached the point that groups are forming around hating you and hating the off mod crew.

You can blame that on me if you'd like, or you can do introspection and maybe come to realize you did go too far at times, that you were too harsh, or too proud and arrogant when approaching inexperienced or imbalanced people who needed your guidance.

You brought this upon yourselves, and more importantly, you brought this upon the JoS forums. So maybe going forward try to have more welcoming, patient and calm attitude, especially when addressing inexperienced and imbalanced people.

This isn't just for off mod members, by the way. This issue is the legacy of a traitor who passed this behavior off as not only acceptable, but the standard in how to approach the ignorant and inexperienced. There's a reason this behavior stems mostly from people who were around while he was here.

I do have an agenda, and that is to eradicate his lingering influence off the forums and off your minds.

 

[Jack]

This is actually completely untrue as well. The Gods actually do interfere heavily in a lot of people's lives. And that is if the Satanist has been working for a lot of time for our cause or trying to gain closer and gain guidance from them.

Even in this thread a person said that they were advised by the Gods not to get back with their ex. Lydia recently said that she was advised to Vibrate the name of a Demon during a transit.

All of us here who are members have received guidance from the Gods to NOT take a course of drastic action and that is simply what we've advised Fuchs to do. The Gods do help and guide and in that sense manage people who are close to them. You not understanding this simple sentiment is simply proof that your not advanced enough to receive or recognize Divine Help.

No one is trying to micromanage anything. These things are common sense to people, unless one is a sociopath or a full blown Psychopath who doesn't have a healthy mind. We are simply trying to help a troubled soul navigate life by giving him informed options.

It's not driving people away from Satan. It's improving people who are already close to Satan. And the people who go down worthless paths in life after being informed will be worthless to our cause either way.

You want to be a leader jack let me give you some advice on persuasion. The way you convey yourself, is as important as the contents of your message.

You can be telling someone absolute truth, but simply the way you convey yourself can make them reject your message and vilify you. It's one thing to give guidance, it's another to intrude and nag and dictate constantly. I've received more help from Satan than I could ever give back. But what I never received was a voice in my ear shouting at me that I'm an idiot or forcing me to do things differently.

The above post isn't just about your activity on this thread. You've clearly demonstrated a desire for controlling people's lives tightly before, unless you've abandoned this idea?


Leadership is about charisma and warmth. Having these two will make people follow you regardless of your intentions. You can be a liar and a traitor and have lots of people still follow you, or you can be a truthful and genuine leader and nobody will follow you simply because you lack the above.

The point is depending on the way you convey your message, people can accept or reject it simply based on how you word your statements and present yourself, disregarding if it is true or not. Especially in inexperienced, new people, they are very sensitive to these things and simply approaching them the wrong way can drive them away.

Many people who come here are desperate, confused and emotionally imbalanced. There's also pressure from the enemy upon them to leave, and if we aren't welcoming and patient, this can be enough to drive them away forever. It's not fair to say that people who leave would always be worthless anyway.

Every single one of you here, who have been here for years, if when you first arrived, when you were at your most fragile and weakest state, if you had been approached in abhorrent manner, you probably wouldn't be here today. You were given answers, patience and guidance and look at you now.


Every person who left because they felt insulted, unwelcome, attacked or harassed, could be on your level, or even above you if given patience and restraint by older members. Most of you don't give a shit about this. People leave and you either don't care, or celebrate it like it's a victory.

Sure, some people are too extreme and need to be removed, but some get completely blasted just because maybe they are kind of annoying or ignorant. I bring attention primarily to off mod folks because these are the people who JoS trusts to do the right thing and give a positive image to the forums, and when I see someone off mod blasting someone for no reason, or being snobbish or standoffish, it's such a betrayal in my eyes.

No one here is new and no one is Dictating or nagging anyone. No one is driving anyone away. I'm not off mod and I don't know who is. Probably no one on this thread.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Every single one of you here, who have been here for years, if when you first arrived, when you were at your most fragile and weakest state, if you had been approached in abhorrent manner, you probably wouldn't be here today. You were given answers, patience and guidance and look at you now.


Every person who left because they felt insulted, unwelcome, attacked or harassed, could be on your level, or even above you if given patience and restraint by older members. Most of you don't give a shit about this. People leave and you either don't care, or celebrate it like it's a victory.

Sure, some people are too extreme and need to be removed, but some get completely blasted just because maybe they are kind of annoying or ignorant. I bring attention primarily to off mod folks because these are the people who JoS trusts to do the right thing and give a positive image to the forums, and when I see someone off mod blasting someone for no reason, or being snobbish or standoffish, it's such a betrayal in my eyes.

Personally, when I first came to the Joy of Satan on the Yahoo groups, I was a brainwashed idiot who knew nothing.

My first post as a new member, on an account I no longer have because I abandoned it, was truly stupid and delusional.

The replies I got were in this vein:

"You are a delusional idiot, go read the Joy of Satan because you know nothing and what you wrote is ridiculous."

I got 3-4 replies like that, and there were no encouraging words. It was a shock when I read those.

However not because I was insulted, but because it forced me to realize my delusion on the spot.

The truth was told to me in the most direct way, and the advice I needed was given to me as well.

I shut my delusional mouth and followed the advice, diligently read the Joy of Satan for a few weeks and deprogrammed myself from delusional thinking and brainwashing.

A few weeks later I made a new account, and I was welcomed with open arms because I immediately engaged on the groups as a good SS and even had some good things to say that was able to help others.

Had people sugar coated me and enabled me after my first reply, by not being direct with me, this could have gone very differently.

It is plausible my ego would have blown out of the water and I would have reinforced my delusions, been so convinced of them that I could have attracted other people to believe in them and enable them with me, and even ended up starting some random email clique away from the JoS to remain in my little fantasy world while smack talking HP HoodedCobra behind the scenes.

This is a reality that may have come to pass if I had not been confronted straight up on my delusions and idiocy.

There's been a lot of people like that over the years, and not all of them were jews or purposeful infiltrators, but delusional idiots who didn't listen to advices and just believed in their own imaginary reality and imaginary abilities and who lost themselves in those.


Directness may be very unpleasant, but it is sometimes the most powerful aid to a person.

It wasn't pleasant for me to be confronted like that, however it never is when you are forced to realize the reality is a complete 180 from your delusional beliefs, which is something every single prospective SS has to go through one way or another.

Certain strength of character is required to succeed as an SS. Therefore a person may as well be worthless as an SS if he really leaves Spiritual Satanism behind after they make one post and people tell them they are wrong about something and that they have been an idiot.


For the sake of being welcoming to new members however it is good to be warmer and more friendly, thus to avoid things which can be perceived as insulting and may indeed break the weak person and turn them away.

That said, things have improved majorly over the years already, especially the last half a year-year.

The atmosphere on the forum is a lot nicer, people are friendlier to each other, there is more mutual understanding than there has ever been, and people are more conscious of what they write to others as a whole.

Some of the complaints you are making would have made perfect sense 1 year and a half or 2 years ago, but not so much today because I have only noticed and seen improvement by almost all member lately, except those who are stuck in the past and can't seem to realize we are all growing and moving forward every day.

Hail Satan!

 

[Dahaarkan]

Every single one of you here, who have been here for years, if when you first arrived, when you were at your most fragile and weakest state, if you had been approached in abhorrent manner, you probably wouldn't be here today. You were given answers, patience and guidance and look at you now.


Every person who left because they felt insulted, unwelcome, attacked or harassed, could be on your level, or even above you if given patience and restraint by older members. Most of you don't give a shit about this. People leave and you either don't care, or celebrate it like it's a victory.

Sure, some people are too extreme and need to be removed, but some get completely blasted just because maybe they are kind of annoying or ignorant. I bring attention primarily to off mod folks because these are the people who JoS trusts to do the right thing and give a positive image to the forums, and when I see someone off mod blasting someone for no reason, or being snobbish or standoffish, it's such a betrayal in my eyes.

Personally, when I first came to the Joy of Satan on the Yahoo groups, I was a brainwashed idiot who knew nothing.

My first post as a new member, on an account I no longer have because I abandoned it, was truly stupid and delusional.

The replies I got were in this vein:

"You are a delusional idiot, go read the Joy of Satan because you know nothing and what you wrote is ridiculous."

I got 3-4 replies like that, and there were no encouraging words. It was a shock when I read those.

However not because I was insulted, but because it forced me to realize my delusion on the spot.

The truth was told to me in the most direct way, and the advice I needed was given to me as well.

I shut my delusional mouth and followed the advice, diligently read the Joy of Satan for a few weeks and deprogrammed myself from delusional thinking and brainwashing.

A few weeks later I made a new account, and I was welcomed with open arms because I immediately engaged on the groups as a good SS and even had some good things to say that was able to help others.

Had people sugar coated me and enabled me after my first reply, by not being direct with me, this could have gone very differently.

It is plausible my ego would have blown out of the water and I would have reinforced my delusions, been so convinced of them that I could have attracted other people to believe in them and enable them with me, and even ended up starting some random email clique away from the JoS to remain in my little fantasy world while smack talking HP HoodedCobra behind the scenes.

This is a reality that may have come to pass if I had not been confronted straight up on my delusions and idiocy.

There's been a lot of people like that over the years, and not all of them were jews or purposeful infiltrators, but delusional idiots who didn't listen to advices and just believed in their own imaginary reality and imaginary abilities and who lost themselves in those.


Directness may be very unpleasant, but it is sometimes the most powerful aid to a person.

It wasn't pleasant for me to be confronted like that, however it never is when you are forced to realize the reality is a complete 180 from your delusional beliefs, which is something every single prospective SS has to go through one way or another.

Certain strength of character is required to succeed as an SS. Therefore a person may as well be worthless as an SS if he really leaves Spiritual Satanism behind after they make one post and people tell them they are wrong about something and that they have been an idiot.


For the sake of being welcoming to new members however it is good to be warmer and more friendly, thus to avoid things which can be perceived as insulting and may indeed break the weak person and turn them away.

That said, things have improved majorly over the years already, especially the last half a year-year.

The atmosphere on the forum is a lot nicer, people are friendlier to each other, there is more mutual understanding than there has ever been, and people are more conscious of what they write to others as a whole.

Some of the complaints you are making would have made perfect sense 1 year and a half or 2 years ago, but not so much today because I have only noticed and seen improvement by almost all member lately, except those who are stuck in the past and can't seem to realize we are all growing and moving forward every day.

Hail Satan!

In my opinion cases like yours represent a minority. How many names from back when this behavior was standard remain with us. Close to none.

Not saying it's the only reason, but it didn't help.

 

[Fuchs]

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One question: have you thought that her behaviour toward the heteroracial guy may actually be enemy influence? The enemy likes attacking both the SS and any non-SS linked to them, to manipulate them and bring bad occurrences in their life. Non-SS are less protected from this, so this could be an option. They could be trying to harm you through outside circumstances.

I clean her aura daily since 1 week now with AC:

Raising energy VUVAVO, then condense energy in a goldwhite ball (I like to outbreathe the energy for 88sec with additional energy collection inbetween)

"In a positive and healthy way for me, the light is cleaning any and all negative hebrew energys,curses, thoughtforms, programming from [Name Person] and is sending them right back to the senders" x3

 

[FancyMancy]

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on this, and writing such a thorough reply.

I wanted to give you the last word here, but I am just replying to say "no problem".

The Gods actually do interfere heavily in a lot of people's lives.

Interfere or intervene? The latter is more to provide help to a person, group, situation. At least that's how I've always understood it to be used, regardless of what "definitions" state. Interference is to stick one's nose in where it doesn't belong.

Lashing out at me or anybody else when your mistakes are pointed out doesn't help you, and doesn't help anybody.

I expect you know what I am saying here already, but for anyone -
I'm not a psychologist, but ("but" here does not negate the fact that I am not a psychologist!) apparently, everyone is a narcissist; from birth it's all me, me, me. Some people don't grow out of this. It seems that the reason why some people lash-out or cry or run away or whatever when they receive things which go against their thoughts, feelings, emotions, beliefs, processes, behaviours... is because they are trying to protect self. ("You can't teach an old dog new tricks", supposedly.) Correctly or incorrectly, wisely or foolishly, they are trying to preserve what they have become (not necessarily what they are). They seem to be doing the best with what they know and what they have. Whatever we are or have within ourselves, increases - for better or for worse.

People might not realise this, but they both are and also want to be individuals, so whenever something goes against them and their things, they just want to protect that. It's as if it's like "it's my life; I'll do what I want; don't tell me otherwise" - but on a forum for help, i.e. here, the point is to help and people come here for that. It takes some people more time or less time to either 1) be willing to, 2) to try, or 3) to actually, change.

Other people may not care and they take pleasure in (trying to) control others, possibly to the extremes of schadenfreude. Maybe they care/cared too much, and things continued to go bad, shit and worse for them, so they became bitter and selfish and self-centred... thus, lashing-out, crying, running away, etc., is sort of like them being in power and control (of themselves, to protect and preserve self, and/or of others, to control them and manipulate them, possibly to keep themselves in control so as to feel safe, or just to be manipulative). Either way, they get feel-good hormones in the way or ways which have worked before. Naturally, we cling-on to things and onto these things - what we are and do, increases for better or for worse.
Again - I expect you know this already, but it was for anyone.

I got 3-4 replies like that, and there were no encouraging words. It was a shock when I read those.

However not because I was insulted, but because it forced me to realize my delusion on the spot.

The truth was told to me in the most direct way, and the advice I needed was given to me as well.

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Had people sugar coated me and enabled me after my first reply, by not being direct with me, this could have gone very differently.

Some people need to go live in certain places where it is not only common but (and I'm joking in this next bit) expected and rewarded [/joke] to call others stupid, etc. Some people are way too sensitive, and they need toughening-up. One thing, actually in primary school, which was said about Boys is, if they were wimps or afraid and quiet (I don't mean cowards and bullies), then they would be called a big Girls' blouse. Another is "Are you a man or a mouse?". We don't need soft little wimps to go to their "safe places"; we need strong People. We do, however, need to be sensitive to others. Words cannot be conveyed properly nor correctly over text - plus we're not mates or friends, so it is unacceptable a lot of the time, due to being strangers.

Regarding the sugar-coating part - that's at least part of the reason why the clergy are here for support and guidance only. They have to remain professional, detached and distant - perhaps seeming cold, but not being cold; trying to be honest. Perhaps a pre-mention in posts would be better, e.g. "I can be quite stern and forward in how I say things, so please don't be upset with how direct and maybe upsetting I am in my reply" or something. Of course, calling someone an effing B or effing D or whatever would not be anywhere near acceptable, with or without that pre-mentioning. (I don't want to call it a disclaimer, because then it would seem like a free pass to harass and seriously attack and offend others.)

This is a reality that may have come to pass if I had not been confronted straight up on my delusions and idiocy.

It is good, therefore, that this is a community. Different people can reply, some maybe harsher and more direct, others more sensitive. I hate to say it, but it is a bit like good-copper/bad-copper - but not playing that. The point I am trying to make is that different people reply in different ways, whether it's directly or indirectly - newbs can read replies and take things from them. Perhaps overall, a more sensitive and neutral approach should be in order.

Directness may be very unpleasant, but it is sometimes the most powerful aid to a person.

It wasn't pleasant for me to be confronted like that, however it never is when you are forced to realize the reality is a complete 180 from your delusional beliefs, which is something every single prospective SS has to go through one way or another.

I should have added this quote here, further up above to where I say about me not being a psychologist and the things about how it seems people are in defending themselves.

I don't want to be so selfish and narcissistic myself, but I do share the link to my emotionals thread sometimes. I would hope, and have hoped, others might share it with some users who might be too soft or sensitive or similar things. If I keep sharing it, it seems to me that I am claiming it is the answer to that problem and that no other answer is necessary. I hope it helps some people, though.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [SG]]

Ignoring the literal "no u" bit, I have to say I disagree. There are certain members who have approached inexperienced people in unacceptable ways before, and I'm not talking about just recent examples, it's been happening for a long time, even long before off mod was a thing. And sometimes it still happens.

No ideology is being pushed here. I'm literally just asking that we all have more patience, restraint and respect especially for misguided people so we can keep them.


Stormblood for once is right about something that there are people who are riled up against some off mod members. To say that this was created by me, and not the years of abhorrent disrespectful behavior, and the people who were driven away by crude remarks and overly harsh and critical responses, is hilarious.

This is something I've been wanting to talk about for years. This isn't recent.

I retract the off mod mafia comment. I agree it is baity and divisive. But I still think there's a problem, albeit not as bad as it used to be. I think the worst person with this behavior has improved dramatically, I've been watching their posts and they are almost like a completely different person now and I think that's great.


I also never felt like the underdog, or said that I felt that way. Maybe you see me that way because you have some inflated sense of status?

I'll remind you again that the above wasn't directed at any specific persons, but you still feel personally insulted by it. I said already the people who have shit behavior are a small minority. So why are you attempting to twist my post as if I'm saying all off mod members are trash. Almost all of them are great, almost.

I'd encourage all of you, who clearly want to actively be a part of the forums on a daily basis, to watch the people who were selected to be Guardians, and learn from their example. And compare the way they convey themselves and their message over the years to yours.


I do not want to divide the forums or pit people against each other. I want talk. When you make these posts, desperately attempting to silence any dialogue on this, you only give ammo to the people who actually are attempting to divide the group.

You sympathize with the enemy narrative and trust it, justify it and try to enforce it here like it is a reality and like solutions are to be implemented. 

If you feel others are treated unjustly, which in your view is something of a lot of time and a real problematic situation, you don't sympathize and exaggerate your statements to fit profiling and narratives here. 

Ignoring the fact, that, JoS is healthier than ever, stronger and more elevated with factual implementation by the direct will of the Gods, in a time where this is more and more formally known and implemented, there's the narrative that somehow this isn't the case, accusations of direct defamation is stated, as a means to complement superficial the evolutions of things,  but done by the "opposition".

As it was already stated valid arguments and observations put forth together with ill will is not so much savior archetype.

Thank you for taking back the expression off mod mafia. Given benefit of the doubt here, this is very important as to generalize your statements onto a collective and group of people while insulting them for supposedly not being better is absolutely of a different premise. 

Everyone is welcomed here, and no one said the opposite or assessed opposition to new comers, especially older members.

This whole manifestation is of those weak people who met with great friction because of their malicious actions, immaturity and straight out attacking syndrome. If one wasn't as so in the first place, one became as so. And NOT because of the truth that opposed them here, but because that's what their nature was and is. 

Feelings and comfort is met at one point here. Everyone is unique, and they represent a certain trait of the astrology zodiac, and they guide and express themselves organically to the others. One is an elitist, one is polite another blablabla. Everyone suits a need for any and all SS to synergize and help themselves. 

JoS will never be a xianized gathering and hippies welcoming with flowers and bloom. These flowers are when you meditate. Things are very sacred here, with much heaviness and with utmost importance. 

This ego leveling is so pointless, It will always deflate at death, so when you die you understand how much fucking time you wasted, and how everything is so precious in life. JoS is beyond that death, far in the future for eons of generations, of your kids of kids and more than that. 

The seriousness of the tasks and shared concern here is way beyond bob and sally not being sucked on because of their delusional fantasies. 

However, with the above stated, everyone's level of life and soul IS to be respected. As a SS if you are stupid, I respect you, but I also expect for you to be stupid less in the future. 

The collective effort of wisdom and control, aspects fatherhood and motherhood concerning the creation of a strong community here, is always improved upon and this was never so much better. There are people here who came to a good understanding of life, and that in a mature view of things, is something extremely special and honorable. 

By the design of things people expect the worst as stated in a sermon. But from expecting into acting the worst, manipulating and put it on a trophy list while behaving like a raccoon who steals some ego points is beyond laughable. 

HP. HoodedCobra stated and talked about improving communication and relations within the community. Blitzkrieg did also an amazing reply one time. People are aware, improving and not making a fuss about it and bending it in weaknesses and pushing narratives because they feel entitled of the half truth they discovered and boiled half a century ago.

And about the personal remarks you did, about people hating you. Rise you head out of the ass checks, nobody hates you, and no one will. I can certainly hate the disunity caused the situation in itself, yet I don't personally. No one hates you here, but the enemy surely does, as for all of the other people here, they are also hated. 

You are smart, argumentative, energetic. Why don't you improve and you can do great things and not just confuse people with the re-imagination of the wheel.

 

[tabby]

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My first time here I was labelled an alt account and had my relationship claimed to be invalid just because I stood up for my partner against an idiot who made a stab at jrvan for no reason, then covered it up as a joke. From there it was nearly non-stop “you’re a cuck” “you’re not a real man” “why you acting like an abused woman?” “swamp this swamp that” bullshit, and I was just run over because apparently girls can’t have a discussion with guys. Pretty retarded way to welcome new people.

I’m glad things have changed from then, but that was the atmosphere around here just little over half a year ago. Imagine being new, and you have to fight for breath just to exist in the forums because you’re not conforming to stereotypes. Why did that change? Jrvan and I didn’t back down about the issue and how we got treated until it finally exploded in a month long conflict under a thread that was just meant to be about sewing and had to be addressed officially.

Men vs women, my idea vs your idea, my method vs your method, established vs noobie, old vs new… Aside from the gender problems in the forums being settled and generally less levels of hostility, there’s still the rest of these duality issues that, I agree with you, would be nice if we could just discuss them.

I’m learning, jrvan’s learning, everyone’s just trying to learn and heal themselves. How are we supposed to feel comfortable here, when we’re not able to bring a different opinion to the table without recieving underhanded remarks and insults? Communication can be a barrier, worse off for those with Merc.R, but things would go much more smoothly without the deliberate attempts to twist words.

As others know, we came from a cult. There’s serious trauma from an experience like that, and to be around people who would rather see you gone and silently working on yourself instead of trying to make a difference around here or engaging with others… well, makes you feel like you’re better off alone than hanging around, dunnit?

We’re an extreme case but I’m sure there’s plenty of people coming here hoping to have a fresh start and not be subjected to repeating life patterns of mistreatment. We’re sensitive, so bloody what? People who carry wounds are going to be sensitive, and rubbing salt into them doesn’t help.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

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Dahaarkan and Tabby are right in regards to the degree of hostility that has been unduly shown to other Satanists. Hostility itself is separate from forcefulness, sternness, in that it is destructive. What is difficult is that it does not come from the inherent intentions of others, but usually as a result of frustration, or overzealous protection of Satanic tenets.

It is not always easy to create messages which are able to blend the 4 elements into a harmonious manner which still conveys the seriousness of Satanism without making the recipient feel attacked. This is why Libra is a preferred sign for Venus, because Libra is sort of like a blend of air, water, and earth.

Not all people respond as you do in regards to being treated harshly. In particular, sensitive people will feel hurt by the aggression. These sorts of people don't need to be broken down in the first place, as they are already receptive. Then only need to be told what to do, not shouted at, so to speak.

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You can tell how you should approach someone based on how they are responding to you. If they are flipping out in the thread, crying and yelling, then it is time to turn down the temperature and reassure them that you weren't trying to be mean, just serious.

What oftentimes worsens the situation is where people reply with "you are delusional" and then with nothing after it. This totally fails because it is not just overly destructive, but also it does not follow up with anything constructive for the recipient to grow with.

Of course, it does take time and effort to do these things properly, but navigating emotions and communication are not much different from the mechanical operation of physical items; it simply follows different rules. However, the principle is the same: if you aren't getting a positive outcome, then you have to change your inputs.

In the case of what a positive outcome is defined as, that would be someone who has happily accepted and is actively integrated Satanism (or whatever you are trying to teach) into their lives.

 

[Blitzkreig [SG]]

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This whole drama between you and other members is rapidly turning from something that could be constructive into one that is destructive and traumatizing.

I spent some time reading through different interactions between you and others to try and understand where each party was going wrong. However, conveying these sorts of things takes an extensive amount of time, and the solution is always simply the advancement of the afflicted areas anyway.

Perhaps you are feeling something similar in regards to the burden or stress caused by simultaneously trying to defuse the situation, defend yourself, argue your points, and do so in a manner that is not overly aggressive, nor overly soft.

Instead of getting stressed by all of this, culminating in you feeling dejected and detached from JOS, this whole thing should be dropped. Not dropped in the sense of giving up the argument, but rather for lowering the stress of all parties involved. This goes not just to you, but the others as well.

I have said before that communications that have risen to the level of name-calling, insults, and other overly aggressive interactions are beyond the point of saving. In other words, the messages trying to be conveying will simply fall flat. At that point, the only thing that can be done is to back away until a later time. This is similar to family members who argue, and must now separate.

In regards to your position in all of this, you should try to relax and not be swayed into doing something otherwise destructive towards yourself or others who may still benefit from you. You are a valuable member here, as are many others. Losing you is not something that can be called a victory by anyone, even your opponents.

 

[Idyele]

Any person for who you need to do a 'ritual' is not worth the time and effort.

If you cannot:............ obtain it through honesty, true love, just asking looking in her eyes, and she just cannot wait for you to ask her and her desire is infinite, and see what is next,............ there is no point.

Just go to a night club etc, get out with 3 girls who wants to suck you all night. No efforts, rewards 100X more than this useless person on which you do a ritual...

Also you need to ask a spirit to bring this person to you. This will be done by force, then you have to tell your victim , get naked , come to my house and do me like you never did it with anyone...

Still it will be not worth it, been there, done that...

 

[Jack]

Any person for who you need to do a 'ritual' is not worth the time and effort.

If you cannot:............ obtain it through honesty, true love, just asking looking in her eyes, and she just cannot wait for you to ask her and her desire is infinite, and see what is next,............ there is no point.

Just go to a night club etc, get out with 3 girls who wants to suck you all night. No efforts, rewards 100X more than this useless person on which you do a ritual...

Also you need to ask a spirit to bring this person to you. This will be done by force, then you have to tell your victim , get naked , come to my house and do me like you never did it with anyone...

Still it will be not worth it, been there, done that...

(((((3))))