hailourtruegod said:
Corvo said:
Elden ring is full of alchemy and spiritual allegories.
Your character journey is the Magnum opus, there even are the Eight steps. 7 demigods each rappresenting the low manifestation of the 7 main planets energy (it is not mentioned, i just noticed it), and the "final boss" being both male and female, and what happens after, is clearly an allegory to your character succes at the Magnum opus.
Just know that it is an even more complex opera to understand than the Dark souls.
Some hints:
the Golden order is christianity.
Omens are not evil, as the Golden order says, even Mogh is just a product of their "church".
The outher mother is probably the closest thing to the jewish god.
The true satanic character is Miquella, also known as Saint Trina, allegorically known as both male and female (there is going to be a DLC around him, probably).
The true gods are being kept away from the world.
Anything that the golden order does not like, is either kept as a secret, or closed underground like who followed Ancestor spirits.
The world CAN be saved. As the author said, Elden ring world is in a much more "positive" state than the Dark souls one.
DO NOT trust everything the narrator says in soul like games, hes he really telling things from a "free" perspective?
I can see how this might look bad that you have to kill them but like Egon said you're actually freeing them from their current corrupted state.
Right.
EVEN MORE SPOILERS:
SERIOUSLY HEAVY, DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT MAJOR SPOILERS.
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Still. Nobody of any good will is telling you to kill them.
The two fingers lost connection to The greater will, decades before.
They are trying to "make up" a story about your ideal journey.
They are trying to preserve "order" (for queen Marika's Golden order standards), and by that, they need you to repair the Elden ring with at least two great runes, from 2 demigods. The minimal "damage".
The two fingers are manipulative and amoral.
At times, they even encouraged tarnished to assassinate "bad goyim ones", even throu infiltration. All for the Golden order (christianity).
Once you reach the Erdtree, it's still impossible to repair it, because queen Marika/Radagon herself is blocking the entrance with a wall of thorns.
Then you start a free journey, to find the stolen rune of death, burn the Erdtree and repair the Elden ring once inside it.
You therefore commit a "cardinal sin", as burning the Erdtree violates the core principles of the Golden order.
Marika herself is preventing you from becoming Elden lord, therefore being an obstacle to the Golden order and the fingers herself.
The fingers can't have a responce to such a situation.
They go on an eternal Iatus, trying to contact the greater will, without responce... because it was never there.
The two fingers only follow "order". Anything outside of good for the Golden order, is outside of what they are programmed to do.
There is an interesting thing about a dagger called Cinquedea. Which comes from prehistoric times (from Farum Azula). It clearly depicts 5 fingers:
We know the 2 fingers are order (the rational/masculinity part), a very useful tool for the even more manipulating and punishing Greater will.
The 3 fingers are chaos (feminin energies, the frenzied flame makes you sort of open the third eye), and are kept prisoners in the worst dungeon of the capital sewers.
The 2 fingers are clearly sort of badly cut. Almost if they were once 5 fingers, and were then separated by someone. Probably the greater will, or Marika herself.
This is another paralel to how the Golden order is indeed christianity.
Also, if you become the lord of the frenzied flame for the secret ending of the three fingers, you burn the Erdtree yourself, saving therefore Melina.
But the three fingers alone are "caos", uncontrolled power, and their ending makes you burn the entire lands between to ash.
A ipotetic "5 fingers path" on the other hand, would be perfect, because of both the union of masculine and female spectrum of the soul.
Makes you wonder how things were in "prehistoric" times, before the golden order was a thing, Farum Azula was the capital, the fingers were 5, and Dragons ruled the land between.
Placidusax, the dragon lord, was indeed once... Elden lord, and he even had 5 heads
Sorry, got carried away brother... i just love analyzing this masterpiece
Also, there are parallels to Dark souls. There was a time when dragons ruled.
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STILL HUGE SPOILERS.
On the other hand, you seem to know Dark souls lore pretty well
I mean... i need to had a thing.
In the dark souls world, humanity doesn't come from the self proclaimed Jewsus god of light, but from the furtive pygmy.
Gwyn/Jewsus himself, is actually a precise specie, a Giant. A different sub specie are the Dark souls 2 giants (perhaps that's why the pygmy is a pygmy to them).
Therefore it has nothing to do with humanity on any level.
He self proclaimed himself to be God because of his strenght, and by convincing humans that their power was "dangerous".
The furtive pygmy had huge plans for humans.
Their soul has "humanity" which is like chakras energy, containing emotions like love, anger, happines. The closest thing we see to that, is Londor ending in Dark souls 3, were you are strong enough to take the first flame for yourself, therefore becoming a creator yourself.
The thing that is a constant in Myazakis work is portraying a "decaying world" that still resembled beauty of his past glory.
The dead dragons aren't supposed to be gross, ora ugly, they communicate sadness.
Archdragon peak is indeed kind of like a "pagan" dragon/venerating shrine were people actually meditated to a higher state.
With reference to ancient Egypt. You're character can kind of do that too there
It is of course clear, that it was "far away in the past", and you are walking in a "stagnating" world were people have lost their mind and you are doing a favor giving them a last good fight, were all of the worst curses came up because of Gwyn opposing the natural course of the events and cursing humanity to an eternal "offerring circle".
Elden ring is much more positive in his conclusions... it's a like a spiritual successor, were things actually can be fixed for good, and the good gods are actually simply kept outside.
END OF SPOILERS.
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Still... i don't want to be the one reccomending games that have indeed problems, if looked from an SS perspective.
I'm just saying, there are many things in these games that are far beyond what you generally find in a videogame.
There is a huge sensibility and suffering for what the enemy has done to our world, many deep spiritual allegories, and the gameplay encourages you to critically think to actually discover what has really happened... also, I love the art stile.
There are things an SS can enjoy, expecially in Elden ring, or Sekiro, or Bloodborne (you legit fight reptilians, greys and a church that has made a covenant on their blood, a real life reference)... i mean, that's great.