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Making clothes at home - For Meteor

Przebiśnieg said:
Lunar Dance 666 said:
Przebiśnieg said:
You are right. After reading some of his stuff, I believe it just broke me, but now I see it's not really worth my nerves. I was observing this forum for a very long time, maybe two years. Still remember some things he was writing, so I know what you're saying. It's not the first time, when he is saying stuff like this and I think you made the right call to finally address this matter. I tried to understand him, I agree with some of his view, but sometimes he is babbling bullshit. When I posted first post on this topic, I was thinking about others SS women, who are here or would want to join here. Imagine now reading his post. Wouldn't you be discouraged to be here? Because I was. I don't know, if there is an option here to block him, but it would save me the nerves. I admire Tabby and jrvan for patience in talking with Jack, because I don't see even a point. I thought it was a good thing that someone finally tried to talk with him, but now I see it's pointless. He stick to his view no matter what, he seems to not be open to others perspective, not even trying to understand others feelings at all, so it seems pointless.
And by the way if you ever would feel bad about yourself or something (like you wrote how you also have these days of lack of confidence) feel free to write to me. I will try to make you feel better and support you, after all, we should be supportive to each other. I got a lot to do by building my own confidence, but when it comes to others people, I am being very protective. I just hope he didn't affect you like he affected me before.

*hugs prez*
There is a list where you can add friend or foe to in settings.

A lot of things used to affect me when I was younger. But I am mentally much stronger now than I was back then. I am not wrong and I should stop questioning myself and comparing myself to the "normal" people that are around. If you want to be extraordinary, then look for the people and things that uplift you. The extraordinary people that came before you, and those that are increasingly working on improving themselves, to be the best they can be.

Also you're welcome on joining in the chat about sewing, if it interests you.

Good to know this, thank you.

I should learn more from you. Actually, there was a time, when I had a strong mentality. Even my friends back then were considering me to be ''strong'', but someday people has broke me. Several years have passed and I am still recovering from some things, which happened to me. Maybe this is a reason, why I become more sensitive now, but it will be fine. I got people in my life, who always trying to lift me up, when I am down, as you say. I got their back too. I learned that I shouldn't shut up my emotion, but to talk about them. I has crossed with people, who where closing their emotion and not talking about them, just empty shells. This always had a bad ending, unfortunately.

Thank you. Sewing is an interesting topic for me. As I said before to tabby, I only were sewing plushies (only once a clothes for my old porcenail doll). I want to learning something new. This thread, which she made is excellent and really helpful.

Look, I didn't have the greatest self esteem for a very very very long time. I am still very timid in real life and I still have trouble with that and don't like to ask things to strangers.
It was very bad.
I was unable to ask anyone anything. I thought I had to do it all myself, because I had been put up for doing things all by myself for so very long from such a very young age.

I had to learn that it was okay to ask things. I had to learn that it was okay to speak what I thought. To stand up against bullies, and to be a little more kind to myself. To enjoy life.
There have been times where I have been pushed far into the corner and that pretty much the part of myself ... that has a 'do or die attitude' ... has kept me from plunging off into the depts.

After I left high school, that damned place with a lot of people that behaved like total idiots (that seemed to me like empty shells too or at least very superficial) but whatever, I came to a place, and when I first started there I needed to arrange something when I was 19 years old and one of my classmates (note: I didn't follow a regular college. I was the youngest in my class, the eldest of the course being near retirement) said that I was (I am trying to express the meaning of the actual word by choosing different words that give off more or less the same feeling because idk the actual translation lol) 'hanging about doing nothing talking shit that everyone already knows like Im a crybaby that deserves attention' ... In the end I had to go to my mother and had to arrange it with her. It was about a place to stay over, I was told by my teacher that it'd be possible to stay over at her place or near it, but real close to the date it happened I was told 'theres no space' so I had to arrange something in the matter of days and I was asking my other classmates what they did. And well this was the comment of one of them.

After that I left the course. Didn't finish it there but looked for a different place to start it again. Then I got into a class that was heartwarming. It was also within a month after I dedicated here. Things got better, I had trouble opening up at first, but by the end of the year my teacher complimented me on how much I had grown.

I haven't had any friends in the meantime. Just my class, this place (despite it being shit with all the newbs and Yehuborim making a lot of lies and bs), and daily meditation. I still don't just open up to everyone. It really depends on how one approaches me, and what setting it is.

The right people can really make someone grow.

Let this be a place of growth.

I want to fight for that.
 
Lunar Dance 666 said:
Przebiśnieg said:
Lunar Dance 666 said:
*hugs prez*
There is a list where you can add friend or foe to in settings.

A lot of things used to affect me when I was younger. But I am mentally much stronger now than I was back then. I am not wrong and I should stop questioning myself and comparing myself to the "normal" people that are around. If you want to be extraordinary, then look for the people and things that uplift you. The extraordinary people that came before you, and those that are increasingly working on improving themselves, to be the best they can be.

Also you're welcome on joining in the chat about sewing, if it interests you.

Good to know this, thank you.

I should learn more from you. Actually, there was a time, when I had a strong mentality. Even my friends back then were considering me to be ''strong'', but someday people has broke me. Several years have passed and I am still recovering from some things, which happened to me. Maybe this is a reason, why I become more sensitive now, but it will be fine. I got people in my life, who always trying to lift me up, when I am down, as you say. I got their back too. I learned that I shouldn't shut up my emotion, but to talk about them. I has crossed with people, who where closing their emotion and not talking about them, just empty shells. This always had a bad ending, unfortunately.

Thank you. Sewing is an interesting topic for me. As I said before to tabby, I only were sewing plushies (only once a clothes for my old porcenail doll). I want to learning something new. This thread, which she made is excellent and really helpful.

Look, I didn't have the greatest self esteem for a very very very long time. I am still very timid in real life and I still have trouble with that and don't like to ask things to strangers.
It was very bad.
I was unable to ask anyone anything. I thought I had to do it all myself, because I had been put up for doing things all by myself for so very long from such a very young age.

I had to learn that it was okay to ask things. I had to learn that it was okay to speak what I thought. To stand up against bullies, and to be a little more kind to myself. To enjoy life.
There have been times where I have been pushed far into the corner and that pretty much the part of myself ... that has a 'do or die attitude' ... has kept me from plunging off into the depts.

After I left high school, that damned place with a lot of people that behaved like total idiots (that seemed to me like empty shells too or at least very superficial) but whatever, I came to a place, and when I first started there I needed to arrange something when I was 19 years old and one of my classmates (note: I didn't follow a regular college. I was the youngest in my class, the eldest of the course being near retirement) said that I was (I am trying to express the meaning of the actual word by choosing different words that give off more or less the same feeling because idk the actual translation lol) 'hanging about doing nothing talking shit that everyone already knows like Im a crybaby that deserves attention' ... In the end I had to go to my mother and had to arrange it with her. It was about a place to stay over, I was told by my teacher that it'd be possible to stay over at her place or near it, but real close to the date it happened I was told 'theres no space' so I had to arrange something in the matter of days and I was asking my other classmates what they did. And well this was the comment of one of them.

After that I left the course. Didn't finish it there but looked for a different place to start it again. Then I got into a class that was heartwarming. It was also within a month after I dedicated here. Things got better, I had trouble opening up at first, but by the end of the year my teacher complimented me on how much I had grown.

I haven't had any friends in the meantime. Just my class, this place (despite it being shit with all the newbs and Yehuborim making a lot of lies and bs), and daily meditation. I still don't just open up to everyone. It really depends on how one approaches me, and what setting it is.

The right people can really make someone grow.

Let this be a place of growth.

I want to fight for that.

I see, it was like this. It's better now for you, so it's a good thing. Now it can only get better. Besides, you don't have to be open to all people either. If someone has a negative attitude towards you, it is not worth worrying about it. Unless such a person is starting to attack you, then it is worth reacting. I've had a few such cases where a girl in my class used to tease me. And just as I ignored her at the beginning, then when it was worse, I had to defend myself. And from that moment on, she stopped teasing me. It is good to know when to let go and ignore, and when to defend yourself. It can be hard to open up to people with such experiences. I am sure with your attitude you can got a lot of friends, if you want to. You are really kind. But also need to know who you can trust and open up. Not everyone has a good intention. Just make sure to find good people. There are a lot of them around us.
And besides, your classmate was an asshole.

I got a lot of problems about myself, I know it. I got very sensitive over little, unimportant things, I am easily being hurted by everything and often gets so stressed out with just anything. I wasn't like this before. When I was a child, I always were saying to myself: It's ok, you are strong. You are strong, you will survive everything. And so I coded it in my head that when bad things happened to me, these words popped into my head. I was very emotionless, I rarely cried. I am surprised that I had friends back then with my attitude. Sometimes they laughed at my lack of "emotion". It was fine until my uncle did what he did. At that time, I thought of him as a father, so when he did it, then it all burst. And I think all those bad memories from earlier years came back as well. I was no longer able to say to myself: you are strong. I felt weak and it stayed this way to today. When I remember that, it was a really dark period in my life. My grandfather said it was my fault he tried to do this to me. My friends didn't want to help me and turned away from me. My brother brought me to court for a restraining order. They dropped my case, though I had evidence and he confessed himself. It was unfair, but life is not fair. I was dealing with depression and PTSD. It was like that for two years and still recovering.

But...these events also taught me to be more compassionate towards others. Even to people, who are rude to me. This people, they were just broken like me. I forgiven my father. He was beaten as a child too. In therapy, I met people with huge problems. I will not forget the woman whom husband abused. Even after completing therapy, he tried to pour acid on her and smashed the glass from the windows.
And I found satanism too. When I wrote the first my thread here (I was very unwell then, so it was very emotional, even posted this in wrong place) I got a lot of help from others. It's a good place, there is a lot of kind people here. I believe we can make this home even better. We are already helping each other and this is how it should be.
 
I decided to stay away from this site. I don't know for how long, or I'll just act alone. It might sound funny to you, but it stressed me a lot, as if I couldn't even sleep. ^^"
Stressing won't fix my health, so it'll be better this way. It's not anyone's fault, that I made this decision, I'm just sensitive like I said before, that's all. And IT could be my fault to cause trouble here, which I am sorry.
Jack, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. It was not my intention. I would feel bad if you did.

Thanks for chatting with me, you were kind to me and I aprecciate it. Good luck to everyone!
 
Przebiśnieg said:
I decided to stay away from this site. I don't know for how long, or I'll just act alone. It might sound funny to you, but it stressed me a lot, as if I couldn't even sleep. ^^"
Stressing won't fix my health, so it'll be better this way. It's not anyone's fault, that I made this decision, I'm just sensitive like I said before, that's all. And IT could be my fault to cause trouble here, which I am sorry.
Jack, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. It was not my intention. I would feel bad if you did.

Thanks for chatting with me, you were kind to me and I aprecciate it. Good luck to everyone!

Please do not stray from or be driven away from forums because of feeling hurt. Thuis is a very good resource for you and can help you grow. Please know the people you don't vibe well with can be put on an ignore list so that you will not longer see their posts. Don't allow yourself to be driven away.
 
jrvan said:
According to Jack, it's not okay to talk about him and he has to unleash his pent up bear fury upon anyone who dares. What kind of tyranny is that, Jack? Huh? Who is the one who can't cope with mean things being said about them on the internet? It looks like it's YOU.

Never say anything bad about Jack in side discussion, everyone. Apparently that's illegal according to our overlord with the bear fangs. Yeah, never say anything even if many people are feeling the same way about him and even if it's true. Even if he's being a dick. Just don't say it.

And to anyone who calls me a hypocrite for this after my past freak out with SouthernWhiteGentile, I want to say that I've grown since then, and also to point out that at least what these women are saying about Jack is more constructive and truthful than calling someone a cuck.
If I'm mischaracterizes in a public space I'll have to defend myself. I don't believe in turning the other cheek. If you say something that is false or a mischaracterization of what I've said I'll have to confront you.
 
Przebiśnieg said:
I decided to stay away from this site. I don't know for how long, or I'll just act alone. It might sound funny to you, but it stressed me a lot, as if I couldn't even sleep. ^^"
Stressing won't fix my health, so it'll be better this way. It's not anyone's fault, that I made this decision, I'm just sensitive like I said before, that's all. And IT could be my fault to cause trouble here, which I am sorry.
Jack, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. It was not my intention. I would feel bad if you did.

Thanks for chatting with me, you were kind to me and I aprecciate it. Good luck to everyone!

You're not alone, conflicts often make me feel like the equivalent of a stressed out hognose snake.

And it's not your fault. Jack had already started to derail the topic before you spoke up about your feelings, which is a good thing that you did. He is being manipulative, rude, and a jerk out of his own choice, not because you somehow hurt him. All you've done is try to express how Jack has made you feel from his words, and he returned it with insults and dismissive remarks. Do not accept behaviour like that from others, and do not apologise to them for the hurt they have put on you. That will only have you accept the negative energy from them onto yourself, which is not something you deserve. You have done nothing wrong.

"Feeling Sorry?" by HPS Maxine:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=17765&p=66584&hilit=Feeling+sorry?#p66584

Feelings and emotions are meant to be expressed, not shut down out of worry or fear that we may hurt another or seem weak and crazy. Emotions and feelings do not make a person weak. (They can make someone very strong when they are in balance and healthily expressed, instead of being shoved down and turned to stone). If we went our whole lives trying to avoid that, we would only hurt ourselves and become isolated, and problems will get worse until something snaps.

As I've said before somewhere in this thread, if things are not expressed a person won't know or be aware of how they make others feel and they will continue to be stuck in their ways and behaviour towards other people. If that person continues to dismiss your emotions and hurt you, they need to be cut out from your life for the sake of your own health (for online things - block or mute buttons).

If you hadn't spoke up, would you have gotten the chance to find out that there are others who feel the same way as you do, and that this issue is not isolated? My motto for life is that "things happen for a reason" (regardless of who is causing that reason, and whether it's positive or negative). This is a good chance for you to gain some growth as a person.

Take a break, use the prayer mudra (I find it always helps to meditate with that mudra when I'm stressed or can't fall asleep), and come back with a fresh mind. You came here for a reason, and you don't have to act alone. Take this as an opportunity to gain more confidence and stability within yourself, and learn how to handle negative people in a healthy way, otherwise people will continue to walk on you throughout your life. I know what that's like, and all it leads to is an energetic cage that just draws more negative people to yourself. If you make yourself feel small on the inside, many people can pick up on that subconsciously and attack you in greater or subtler ways even if they are good people.

Remember one key thing, how strong do you want to be? Because only you can decide that and work for it. There are always going to be awful people, and stressful situations that make you want to run away and get it out of your life. So take this time now to learn and figure out how to better deal with stress and negativity without it being a detriment to your advancement.
 
To get things back on topic...
If anyone is interested, here are some really cool books to check out that I've seen other historical style seamstresses use. You can buy them online as well (might need to search around different websites though).

1) Patterns of Fashion by Janet Arnold
2) The 17th Century Dress Patterns collection from the V&A
3) Draping for Fashion Design by Hilde Jaffe and Nurie Relis

Patterns of Fashion by Janet Arnold - comes in 5 volumes.
Volume 1 - Englishwomen’s dress and their construction, 1660 - 1860
Volume 2 - Englishwomen’s dress and their construction, 1860 - 1940
Volume 3 - The cut and construction of clothes for men and women, 1540 - 1620
Volume 4 - The cut and construction of linen shirts, smocks, neckwear, headwear and accessories for men and women, 1540 - 1660
Volume 5 - The content, cut, construction and context of bodies, stays, hoops and rumps, 1595 - 1795
Volume 6 - Coming soon


http://quitespecificmedia.com/ - has Volumes 1 - 4
https://shop.theschoolofhistoricaldress.org.uk/

The 17th Century Dress Patterns collection from the V&A - comes in 3 volumes.
Volume 1 - 17th Century Women’s Dress Patterns Book One
Volume 2 - 17th Century Women’s Dress Patterns Book Two
Volume 3 - 17th Century Men’s Dress Patterns


Volume 1-3 be found here: https://www.vam.ac.uk/shop/books.htmll

The pattern used in one of the videos I linked in the OP (modern walking skirt) came from this store:
https://trulyvictorian.info/index.php/shop/
 
Przebiśnieg said:
tabby said:

Exactly, I understand you! The joy on other people face, when you making something nice to them, priceless. For example, I like to bake for my brother and sister-in-law sometimes. They really enjoying this, so me as well. Recently, I sewed his favorite cartoon character for him for Christmas. His face was everything. But I like to doing this small things for him. He helped me a lot and is always protective towards me, the best brother I could imagine to have.
This is so cute, you maded this child happy. :)

I believe, like every sane women.

So practice and patience. I hope I can manage, I am used to using hand sewing. This would be something totally new for me, but I like to try new things. Besides it would be faster this way. I will search for some tutorials, thank you.
I think I will start with her with making stitch embroidery and then we could do some plushies. This is what she would like to do it anyway from what I had observe. After all she always comes to me, when I am sewing mascots.When she will come back from vacation, I will ask her to make sure. Thank you all of yours advice!
Haha yeah, I remember my first bunny that I sew. Now I think he looks hillarious and insane, but back then I was really proud of this. This motivated me to practice more and more. That's why I want to start with sewing clothes.

Nice, what sort of things do you like to bake? I love making apple and raisin turnovers. My mother use to make jam roly-poly's with us as kids, except we used pastry instead of the pudding/cake stuff and had it with vanilla ice cream.

Sounds like you have a wonderful relationship with your brother :)

haha that reminds me of a plushie I made for a school project (hand sewn), it was a little octopus with a top hat :lol: . I can't remember if you mentioned this already but how long have you been hand sewing for?

No worries, I wish you and your sister the best of luck!
 
tabby said:
Lunar Dance 666 said:
jrvan said:

tabby said:
Not everyone here is like him so don't let it get under your skin. Women have one very special power that men don't possess and will never be able to possess, and it's the ability to carry another life within themselves, a whole other soul, and birth it into this world. But that applies to gender specific. As a human, you choose what your value is as a person, and how you regard yourself. You decide your worth. Don't let anyone tell you or make you feel lesser just because of someone else's poor views and opinions.

Here's something jrvan found for me when I was struggling on a similar subject:

"On Women and Goddesses"
https://archive.is/GhGPz

And thank you, all the best!

Thank you both (Tabby and jrvan) for your comments and sticking with me on this side. Jack has been posting stuff like this over the past 2+ years. I tried to find the motivation, or his reasons for saying the same 'dumb' stuff over and over.
It's no use. He won't listen to any mortal, no matter what. Thats how stuck he is in his views.

Also Przebiśnieg ; I understand, having had more or less the same issue for a very long time, it is hard to regain confidence. And even I have days where my confidence just plummets again. Then its just very important to do what you like. And make sure you enjoy yourself and treat yourself well.

If this even drags on more, his comments on this topic, ya bet I will report them. This has gone on long enough. If you feel like you've said enough, feel free to quit replying.
We'll build our own positive understanding, together with people, that actually want to do the right thing.

Not some kind of person who doesn't even know what it is to be a woman (let alone show any understanding of being a HUMAN), and then judges us over it just because we are something he's not (or whatever the reason may be).

Well, as much as he thinks he didn't start this, his first comment under this thread and his conversation to ShadowCat gave me the vibe this was going to happen whether I tried to avoid it or not.

If he was only looking down on the bimbos on the streets that the Yehuborim created, I'd have less of an issue. But I will not tolerate other SS women being dismissed and undermined like this. Not by one of our own brothers. Certainly not under a post meant to help people develop a lost life skill.

It made me very happy to see many other females engage here to talk about something I'm quite passionate about, and help each other with advice. Until the party pooper of misogynistic asses came to crash the door down.

I'm not angry at you, Lunar, btw. Sorry if you feel that.

Before Jack gets mad at my use of the word "misogynistic" :
definition - adjective, strongly prejudiced against women.
Describes him pretty well under here, I'd say.

Just for good measure...
"Prejudice can be an affective feeling towards a person based on their perceived group membership."
noun - Preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.
- dislike, hostility, or unjust behavior deriving from unfounded opinions.

his first comment under this thread and his conversation to ShadowCat gave me the vibe this was going to happen whether I tried to avoid it or not.

Ohh lol i actually found my and jacks replys quite benign at that start, i was telling him about sewing metal with fire (welding) to which i was told is a handy skill to have when the world goes to shit...which it is lol. Lunar got upset at him, as shes had beef with him before i believe, and then he replied to her and it went from there. the rest i had given my two cents on objectively and detached as possible and left :?

i actually hoped it would help things calm down trying to give imput to the big picture and remain impartial but helass. i must say i never like it when SS bicker here but no one can be forced to like anyone nor is it realistic to agree with everythying someone says.
 
tabby said:
Przebiśnieg said:
tabby said:

Exactly, I understand you! The joy on other people face, when you making something nice to them, priceless. For example, I like to bake for my brother and sister-in-law sometimes. They really enjoying this, so me as well. Recently, I sewed his favorite cartoon character for him for Christmas. His face was everything. But I like to doing this small things for him. He helped me a lot and is always protective towards me, the best brother I could imagine to have.
This is so cute, you maded this child happy. :)

I believe, like every sane women.

So practice and patience. I hope I can manage, I am used to using hand sewing. This would be something totally new for me, but I like to try new things. Besides it would be faster this way. I will search for some tutorials, thank you.
I think I will start with her with making stitch embroidery and then we could do some plushies. This is what she would like to do it anyway from what I had observe. After all she always comes to me, when I am sewing mascots.When she will come back from vacation, I will ask her to make sure. Thank you all of yours advice!
Haha yeah, I remember my first bunny that I sew. Now I think he looks hillarious and insane, but back then I was really proud of this. This motivated me to practice more and more. That's why I want to start with sewing clothes.

Nice, what sort of things do you like to bake? I love making apple and raisin turnovers. My mother use to make jam roly-poly's with us as kids, except we used pastry instead of the pudding/cake stuff and had it with vanilla ice cream.

Sounds like you have a wonderful relationship with your brother :)

haha that reminds me of a plushie I made for a school project (hand sewn), it was a little octopus with a top hat :lol: . I can't remember if you mentioned this already but how long have you been hand sewing for?

No worries, I wish you and your sister the best of luck!

I love to bake! I picked up my moms recipies of holiday cookies, taffy, and brownies, fudge and other things...all fatassery but yea :lol:

I can also cook if i have a mind to, ive made steak merinated in red wine with green onions and herbs...made it up myself..tasted delicious :3. can put that with baked potato, or corn, salad ect. i can also make saurkraut with sausage from my great grandma and some lebanese dishes from my dads mom. the one with cabbage is awesome
yum
 
jrvan said:
Jack said:
jrvan said:
According to Jack, it's not okay to talk about him and he has to unleash his pent up bear fury upon anyone who dares. What kind of tyranny is that, Jack? Huh? Who is the one who can't cope with mean things being said about them on the internet? It looks like it's YOU.

Never say anything bad about Jack in side discussion, everyone. Apparently that's illegal according to our overlord with the bear fangs. Yeah, never say anything even if many people are feeling the same way about him and even if it's true. Even if he's being a dick. Just don't say it.

And to anyone who calls me a hypocrite for this after my past freak out with SouthernWhiteGentile, I want to say that I've grown since then, and also to point out that at least what these women are saying about Jack is more constructive and truthful than calling someone a cuck.
If I'm mischaracterizes in a public space I'll have to defend myself. I don't believe in turning the other cheek. If you say something that is false or a mischaracterization of what I've said I'll have to confront you.

Nobody is allowed to their own opinion of you then, even if justified. That's what you're saying? You're changing your story. First it's a personal attack, and now you say that people can't discuss about you with each other publicly. And you call her the victim...

First you say that feelings don't matter, and you don't give a shit what people think of you. Now you're making a big fuss over people discussing you. Which is it? Do you care what people think of you, or not? Because if it matters to you so much then you shouldn't be surprised about people thinking this way of you based on your callous behavior around the forums. What did you expect? Did you think people were going to have a favorable view of you when you regularly spit on them? And then fold your arms like "pfft feelings don't matter, feelings are for pussies."

This is too stupid. You're getting a taste of the fruits of your labor, and seeing for the first time what your brothers and sisters think of you and how they feel about you. You can't handle it. If you don't like it then make a change for the better because these people aren't going to change their minds about you with the way you are now. No one has done you injustice, and you're not the victim here. No one has defamed you, nor offered an untrue analysis of your character. Everything here is a product of your own doing, and what you are seeing is everyone's reaction.

Your lack of self awareness will be your undoing.
When I'm painted in a bad light I have to present my view of the issue so that everyone reading gets a balanced view.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't talk about me. Feel free to do so. But I'm going to present my side of the argument so that everyone is aware of the statistics and facts and can see how outliers are taken out of context.

When I presented the facts, everyone here started personally attacking me and moving into specific outliers and instances that don't disprove anything I've said.

It only makes me look terrific that the groupthink of being unable to think critically drives people's behavior like you all have done. And that I still haven't fallen unto pressure because of Shaming tactics and I never will.
 
Aquarius said:
Shadowcat said:
steak merinated in red wine with green onions and herbs

Shadowcat said:
put that with baked potato

Wanna marry me? I'll promise I'll be the breadwinner :p
them menfolk and that fatassery tho :lol:
you are sweet :) haha *hug*
 
Shadowcat said:
...
his first comment under this thread and his conversation to ShadowCat gave me the vibe this was going to happen whether I tried to avoid it or not.

Ohh lol i actually found my and jacks replys quite benign at that start, i was telling him about sewing metal with fire (welding) to which i was told is a handy skill to have when the world goes to shit...which it is lol. Lunar got upset at him, as shes had beef with him before i believe, and then he replied to her and it went from there. the rest i had given my two cents on objectively and detached as possible and left :?

i actually hoped it would help things calm down trying to give imput to the big picture and remain impartial but helass. i must say i never like it when SS bicker here but no one can be forced to like anyone nor is it realistic to agree with everythying someone says.

I’ll try explain my thinking here. There are a few things he said early on that became the cores of the rest of his comments which can be picked up on.

The first one “Making Women Great again, one at a time. Hurrah!!!”

Originally I had wanted to let him know that sewing is not a female only skill. Men can (and imo should) not be deterred from learning this skill simply because sewing in the mass mind is paired with being a feminine skill.

Men a long time ago were once the weavers of looms, until that role was transferred to women. Men also sewed things like corsets in the industry because it was incredibly labor intensive on the hands before they had machines to do it.

Sewing is valuable to anyone who has clothes on their back. At the very least, one should know how to mend and repair their own clothes. Fast fashion is really bad for the environment, and the moment a lot of people get a rip or hole in their clothes they throw it out.

Maybe I should have talked about darning too (I think I linked a video about it somewhere here in the thread).

But I left it alone since I felt I wasn’t understanding Jack’s comment. The wording and vibe seemed to mean something else other than what I wanted this thread to be about, so I avoided it hoping that things wouldn’t turn out the way I felt it was going to.

The next one referring to the apocalypse regarding your welding skills. All I could think was, why specifically the apocalypse? That kind of skill is really handy for the current society we live in now because of the increase in technology, cities, and what-have-you. What do you do if you don’t have access to the tools you need for metal working in an apocalyptic situation?

Side note: for survival sewing you can strip dry grass into threads and break a bone or use a stiff/sharp part of a plant or splinter to make a needle. You can make hand spindles to spin hair, fur, or grass into thread and make looms in the wild to weave “fabrics” for clothes. Leather and fur from animal hides are a quicker and less tedious way to stay warm and clothed (leather lasts a long time too and can act as an armour of sorts if the leather is thick enough. May not stop a bullet but it’s certainly better than being naked) - of course this is like really bare bones survival but you get the idea.

https://youtu.be/KXHcPOpY1Co

I know none of his earlier responses to you were edgy or negative, and I can see that Lunar has a feud with the guy - I don’t blame her. Many things that Jack has said just in the time I’ve been here have made me do double-takes and feel uncomfortable.

But the key words on his part “apocalypse” and “Making Women Great again,one at a time” - followed by his reaction to Lunar and his first comment to Przebiśnieg (which really does look very manipulative and switching how she feels to mean something it doesn’t) set the stage for the rest of his comments which focused on the apparent apocalypse, degenerate women, women’s independence, and insults.

I don’t agree with a lot of his points, and most of that comes from the fact that 1) I am a female with a large hatred of weakness (in whatever form that may be), and 2) I grew up with a family full of female leaders of the home, and most of my skills were taught to me by the women.

My mother worked a full time job, but she had good and well established connections with other people and family members. So on the days where she couldn’t be there to pick us up from school for another hour or so, she had help from family members and trusted friends who’s kids we were buddies with to help her out. And when she’d come home, we almost never went without a home cooked meal, and helped us with anything we needed physically. We lived rurally, and my mother always emphasised that family came first, family is always there even if you lose all of your friends or fall into a bad relationship, and no matter where we go or what we do we can come home if we need to.

Her only negative thing was being a narcissist, and focusing too much on our physical needs and not being able to be there emotionally. Everything else, she was a good mum and she got shit done for her family.

When I was just a toddler, she actually told my grandma (dad’s side) to get out of our house when she was babysitting me and my sibling. We were playing outside and my grandmother yelled at and hit my sibling just because she slid down the slide when it was wet. If memory serves me right my grandmother didn’t babysit us again until we were in our teen years. (For context, my grandma is xtian and still goes to church).


Jack said:
Shadowcat said:
Jack said:
Making Women Great again,one at a time. Hurrah!!!

I can not only sow fabric but also metal with fire
That's a very handy skill during the Apocalypse.


Jack said:
Lunar Dance 666 said:
Shadowcat said:
...

Indeed it is. I always tell people the ones who work with their hands will be the ones who thrive and help rebuild society If everything goes to shit..people who sit behind comps and desks won't know their asses from a hold in the ground :p

I laugh at the decadent tards who look down on or who think they are too good for blue collar work.

Don't talk back to the person that thinks he can tell his wife what to do and order her around. The person who takes personal achievement, and working out as a woman as 'feminism'. Or even just having a job in a male dominated field. Like even politics or warfare, technical jobs.

When something is done by a woman usually, it doesn't have to mean its a woman 'only' business. Heck they even tried to get rid of our way of making money and being able to be independent, which was often in the sewing industry.

There's not much of a sewing industry anymore nowadays though. At least not within the country.

*quotes on stats with birth rates and “she-economy”*
*stats image*

Thank you Yehuborim for giving women independence. Hurrah!!!

*image of trump*

Enjoy the Independence.

Jack said:
Przebiśnieg said:
Maybe it's off-topic, which I am sorry, but nobody makes me feel worse as a woman in this forum than him, I swear. I try to avoid him here, since he makes me feel bad and there is a lot of helpful information here too, but it is hard to do. I feel like he is really questioning my worth and my worth is something I have had a problem with for a very long time. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but his comments can be discouraged to be here. (It doesn't mean, that I will leave this forum just because he annoys me, but I am thinking about new womens wanting to join here.)


As for the post, excellent job. I have never tried to sew clothes (well, except for my old porcelain doll), only mascots for friends, my little sister and brother, but it would be nice to try something new. I don't have sewing machine, always using hand sewing. Maybe I should afford it, cause it would be faster this way. My sister wants to learn sewing too, so thanks for the tips. :)
If my overall message is making you feel bad and making you question your self worth as a woman ,then it is probable that you are infact of low self worth and everything I say is just confirmation. Its not me making you feel bad, its you yourself because you know what I'm saying is true but you don't want to accept it and in order to shift blame ,you're changing guilt into hatred unconsciously.

If you accepted it and let go of your feelings, then all your judgments about your self worth would go away. Because now you've accepted your faults ,and only after you've accepted that you were wrong can you change and heal yourself. Otherwise the perpetual suffering from lack of psychological strength will persist indefinitely.
 
Shadowcat said:
tabby said:
Przebiśnieg said:
...

I love to bake! I picked up my moms recipies of holiday cookies, taffy, and brownies, fudge and other things...all fatassery but yea :lol:

I can also cook if i have a mind to, ive made steak merinated in red wine with green onions and herbs...made it up myself..tasted delicious :3. can put that with baked potato, or corn, salad ect. i can also make saurkraut with sausage from my great grandma and some lebanese dishes from my dads mom. the one with cabbage is awesome
yum

haha I’ve never heard someone use the word “fatassery” before :lol:

WHAT?! Dude! Oh man, you’re making me hungry. Ok proposal, one day after all this crazy shit - cook out, I’ll make the desserts and you make the main meal - what do ya say? ;)

jrvan mentioned getting together for Oktoberfest lol.
 
Meteor said:
Aquarius said:
In my opinion, unless there is financial tension, one should either be a mother, or a worker, not both.

I think it's fine if you can work from home, especially if it's something you enjoy such as painting, writing or making clothes.
Either way, taking time off during and after pregnancy makes sense.

That for me would be fucking awesome as i like all of those things. i do drawings though not paintings. if it would make a good size stable income and let me work from home i would change my daytime job in a heartbeat, despite the fact that i do like being physically active and enjoy creating and doing what i do at work...but not the hazards that come with it. *looks at the burn on my wrist from the other day* :x :p. Flashburn is a bitch too and the worst. feels like a sunburn in the eyes. ive had metal slivers taken out of my eyes with a small knife...twice x.x. alot of accidents have been my own stupid fault though. i can be impulsive, too daring and accident prone. ty mars and sun lmao.
 
tabby said:
Shadowcat said:
...
his first comment under this thread and his conversation to ShadowCat gave me the vibe this was going to happen whether I tried to avoid it or not.

Ohh lol i actually found my and jacks replys quite benign at that start, i was telling him about sewing metal with fire (welding) to which i was told is a handy skill to have when the world goes to shit...which it is lol. Lunar got upset at him, as shes had beef with him before i believe, and then he replied to her and it went from there. the rest i had given my two cents on objectively and detached as possible and left :?

i actually hoped it would help things calm down trying to give imput to the big picture and remain impartial but helass. i must say i never like it when SS bicker here but no one can be forced to like anyone nor is it realistic to agree with everythying someone says.

I’ll try explain my thinking here. There are a few things he said early on that became the cores of the rest of his comments which can be picked up on.

The first one “Making Women Great again, one at a time. Hurrah!!!”

Originally I had wanted to let him know that sewing is not a female only skill. Men can (and imo should) not be deterred from learning this skill simply because sewing in the mass mind is paired with being a feminine skill.

Men a long time ago were once the weavers of looms, until that role was transferred to women. Men also sewed things like corsets in the industry because it was incredibly labor intensive on the hands before they had machines to do it.

Sewing is valuable to anyone who has clothes on their back. At the very least, one should know how to mend and repair their own clothes. Fast fashion is really bad for the environment, and the moment a lot of people get a rip or hole in their clothes they throw it out.

Maybe I should have talked about darning too (I think I linked a video about it somewhere here in the thread).

But I left it alone since I felt I wasn’t understanding Jack’s comment. The wording and vibe seemed to mean something else other than what I wanted this thread to be about, so I avoided it hoping that things wouldn’t turn out the way I felt it was going to.

The next one referring to the apocalypse regarding your welding skills. All I could think was, why specifically the apocalypse? That kind of skill is really handy for the current society we live in now because of the increase in technology, cities, and what-have-you. What do you do if you don’t have access to the tools you need for metal working in an apocalyptic situation?

Side note: for survival sewing you can strip dry grass into threads and break a bone or use a stiff/sharp part of a plant or splinter to make a needle. You can make hand spindles to spin hair, fur, or grass into thread and make looms in the wild to weave “fabrics” for clothes. Leather and fur from animal hides are a quicker and less tedious way to stay warm and clothed (leather lasts a long time too and can act as an armour of sorts if the leather is thick enough. May not stop a bullet but it’s certainly better than being naked) - of course this is like really bare bones survival but you get the idea.

https://youtu.be/KXHcPOpY1Co

I know none of his earlier responses to you were edgy or negative, and I can see that Lunar has a feud with the guy - I don’t blame her. Many things that Jack has said just in the time I’ve been here have made me do double-takes and feel uncomfortable.

But the key words on his part “apocalypse” and “Making Women Great again,one at a time” - followed by his reaction to Lunar and his first comment to Przebiśnieg (which really does look very manipulative and switching how she feels to mean something it doesn’t) set the stage for the rest of his comments which focused on the apparent apocalypse, degenerate women, women’s independence, and insults.

I don’t agree with a lot of his points, and most of that comes from the fact that 1) I am a female with a large hatred of weakness (in whatever form that may be), and 2) I grew up with a family full of female leaders of the home, and most of my skills were taught to me by the women.

My mother worked a full time job, but she had good and well established connections with other people and family members. So on the days where she couldn’t be there to pick us up from school for another hour or so, she had help from family members and trusted friends who’s kids we were buddies with to help her out. And when she’d come home, we almost never went without a home cooked meal, and helped us with anything we needed physically. We lived rurally, and my mother always emphasised that family came first, family is always there even if you lose all of your friends or fall into a bad relationship, and no matter where we go or what we do we can come home if we need to.

Her only negative thing was being a narcissist, and focusing too much on our physical needs and not being able to be there emotionally. Everything else, she was a good mum and she got shit done for her family.

When I was just a toddler, she actually told my grandma (dad’s side) to get out of our house when she was babysitting me and my sibling. We were playing outside and my grandmother yelled at and hit my sibling just because she slid down the slide when it was wet. If memory serves me right my grandmother didn’t babysit us again until we were in our teen years. (For context, my grandma is xtian and still goes to church).


Jack said:
Shadowcat said:
I can not only sow fabric but also metal with fire
That's a very handy skill during the Apocalypse.


Jack said:
Lunar Dance 666 said:
Don't talk back to the person that thinks he can tell his wife what to do and order her around. The person who takes personal achievement, and working out as a woman as 'feminism'. Or even just having a job in a male dominated field. Like even politics or warfare, technical jobs.

When something is done by a woman usually, it doesn't have to mean its a woman 'only' business. Heck they even tried to get rid of our way of making money and being able to be independent, which was often in the sewing industry.

There's not much of a sewing industry anymore nowadays though. At least not within the country.

*quotes on stats with birth rates and “she-economy”*
*stats image*

Thank you Yehuborim for giving women independence. Hurrah!!!

*image of trump*

Enjoy the Independence.

Jack said:
Przebiśnieg said:
Maybe it's off-topic, which I am sorry, but nobody makes me feel worse as a woman in this forum than him, I swear. I try to avoid him here, since he makes me feel bad and there is a lot of helpful information here too, but it is hard to do. I feel like he is really questioning my worth and my worth is something I have had a problem with for a very long time. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but his comments can be discouraged to be here. (It doesn't mean, that I will leave this forum just because he annoys me, but I am thinking about new womens wanting to join here.)


As for the post, excellent job. I have never tried to sew clothes (well, except for my old porcelain doll), only mascots for friends, my little sister and brother, but it would be nice to try something new. I don't have sewing machine, always using hand sewing. Maybe I should afford it, cause it would be faster this way. My sister wants to learn sewing too, so thanks for the tips. :)
If my overall message is making you feel bad and making you question your self worth as a woman ,then it is probable that you are infact of low self worth and everything I say is just confirmation. Its not me making you feel bad, its you yourself because you know what I'm saying is true but you don't want to accept it and in order to shift blame ,you're changing guilt into hatred unconsciously.

If you accepted it and let go of your feelings, then all your judgments about your self worth would go away. Because now you've accepted your faults ,and only after you've accepted that you were wrong can you change and heal yourself. Otherwise the perpetual suffering from lack of psychological strength will persist indefinitely.

Ohh i see! I guess you learn something new everyday. i never knew about that with men and sewing in the past. Ofcouse, this is a very handy skill to have for anyone.

I grew up with similar family values, and my mother was always there for us as well. she and my father both taught us important things from a very early age which im grateful for. Dad however had a hard time being there emotionally but in other ways he was always there.

as for the rest of whats going on here i dont really have anything else to say, Other than that yes, it went off topic in a way it shouldn't have. It is what it is.

and I can see that Lunar has a feud with the guy - I don’t blame her. Many things that Jack has said just in the time I’ve been here have made me do double-takes and feel uncomfortable.

i am well aware that this counts for many people including some dudes here on the forum.
 
tabby said:
Aquarius said:
Shadowcat said:
steak merinated in red wine with green onions and herbs

Shadowcat said:
put that with baked potato

Wanna marry me? I'll promise I'll be the breadwinner :p

Smooth haha

I guess there’s some truth to what they say, the quickest way to a man’s heart is through his stomach :lol:

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
tabby said:
Shadowcat said:
tabby said:
...
I looked back at your first comment about Jack. You expressed your feelings about the guy and his behaviour to ShadowCat (not even talking to the guy directly), then continued to mention the connections between the sewing industry and women's independence (which was still very relevant to the OP. Gaining back the skill of sewing would actually be very good to empower women with and help to raise them out of the slave state in society that the Yehuborim have put them in).
...

Behavior to shadowcat? i dont believe that was me o_O

I didn’t mean his behaviour to you as in how he treated you, I said “You expressed your feelings about the guy and his behaviour to ShadowCat” - the “to” here meaning talking to you about his past behaviour and her feelings about the guy.

Does that make sense?

ohh i see. must have read that one wrong :?
 
Jack said:
tabby said:
Przebiśnieg said:
Maybe it's off-topic, which I am sorry, but nobody makes me feel worse as a woman in this forum than him, I swear. I try to avoid him here, since he makes me feel bad and there is a lot of helpful information here too, but it is hard to do. I feel like he is really questioning my worth and my worth is something I have had a problem with for a very long time. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but his comments can be discouraged to be here. (It doesn't mean, that I will leave this forum just because he annoys me, but I am thinking about new womens wanting to join here.)


As for the post, excellent job. I have never tried to sew clothes (well, except for my old porcelain doll), only mascots for friends, my little sister and brother, but it would be nice to try something new. I don't have sewing machine, always using hand sewing. Maybe I should afford it, cause it would be faster this way. My sister wants to learn sewing too, so thanks for the tips. :)

Not everyone here is like him so don't let it get under your skin. Women have one very special power that men don't possess and will never be able to possess, and it's the ability to carry another life within themselves, a whole other soul, and birth it into this world. But that applies to gender specific. As a human, you choose what your value is as a person, and how you regard yourself. You decide your worth. Don't let anyone tell you or make you feel lesser just because of someone else's poor views and opinions.

Here's something jrvan found for me when I was struggling on a similar subject:

"On Women and Goddesses"
https://archive.is/GhGPz

And thank you, all the best!
The majority of men think this way ,they're just afraid to say it due to the fear of being labeled misogynistic.

I totally disagree and I already told you a couple days ago that this goes too far.
 
Jack said:
tabby said:
Nothing that I've said can be disproven in any way whatsoever. All you've done is bring up specific instances of hypothetical scenarios and situations ,trying to make a moral case of what I'm saying is right or wrong. While I've specifically said from the beginning that I don't believe in "Right or Wrong" and that I'm just saying how the situation is and on a emotionless utilitarian and pragmatic approach.

I didn't derail this thread. Lunardance was the one who first tried to attack me, trying to paint me as a villain. I had to respond by presenting my point of view that everything I was saying was correct .And after I presented the facts everyone got pissed due to experiencing cognitive dissonance of being unable to accept reality (facts and statistics.)

I have not once gotten emotional. I've written everything from a purely rational, pragmatic perspective. I haven't once demeaned, insulted or personally attracted anyone. If anything the opposite is the case.

Everyone here has personally attacked me, wishing me I'll will in my personal life and wishing me romantic failure and called me all sorts of names. This is regardless of me already saying that I'm not personally talking about anyone and that I'm talking in generalities.

All you've shown is the inability to listen and agree with reality and immature behavior of personal attacks and insults and victim blaming.

Every single one of my points is based on facts and logic and reality. No matter what you personally have to say about reality, doesn't change reality.

Truth is Objective. Your appreciation of the Truth is Subjective. This is the delusional behavior of saying "my truth." There is no "my truth." Social behavior is judged based on Generalities and statistics of what the majority of people do, not what you personally believe is right and wrong.

And this doesn't have anything to do with Christianity . The entirety of Ancient history agrees with my view with hundreds of thousands of Philosophers and Statesmen making the exact same points that I have made. Just read the work of Plato and Socrates on the Topic of Women in Society. Read the views of Adolf Hitler and other prominent Nazis on the same. You are historically unaware of civilization . Female Independence and Promiscuity is a predictor of Civilizational collapse. Not just in Christian times. Every single Pagan civilization follows the same route where Female Independence and Promiscuity immediately follows civilizational collapse. Ancient Philosophers works would be considered borderline misogynistic and incendiary by you if you read them.

Not a single one of my points is inaccurate or wrong and your debating methods prove my point that women are more emotional than men and are on a balance of probabilities incapable of critical thinking.

All you've proven is that everything I've said is correct and your refusal to accept that reality. Your Contrarian revolt against pertinent facts and evidence is another reason why women can't be leaders and politicians. There were no Nazi party leaders who were involved in policy as women because Adolf Hitler knew that women can't accept logic and reason, and they only listen to emotion and peer pressure from the culture.

There is no biological difference between women in western society and those in Nazi Germany. They employed the same mass communication, propaganda and emotional persuasion albeit in different directions. Just like a society can manufacture worthless sluts ,a society can manufacture dutiful wives and mothers. The only difference is that the people in control must be willing to do the things that are required of them.

You're fighting me on every single point of fact that I'm presenting and making yourself look stupid because this is incontrovertible evidence. It doesn't matter what anyone's personal opinion is. The reality is the reality. Regardless of whether one is a SS "woman " or not ,you're still having the same points of contention across the board of all races who have been brought up by Feminism.

Women inherently desire Sexist men who feel that they have to protect women from themselves, take care of them and lead them in a relationship.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-women-including-feminists-are-still-attracted-to-benevolently-sexist-men-101067

Your appreciation of whether or not you like this or not is of no consequence as is your opinion that no self respecting woman should be like this. The fact of the matter is that your subjective interpretation of things are in direct conflict with actual reality. You are living in a delusional world of your own making. Women overwhelming desire men who treat them like a being that needs taking care of, that cannot be a leader or independent. They wanted to be taken care of. They want to leave responsibility over to the man to make tough decisions in life and life changing choices. You fighting me on this is simply you refusing to accept reality.

In the real world women who are high earners and independent are the unhappiest demographic of women in the United States.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/high-octane-women/201109/meet-the-least-happy-people-in-america

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/14/619338703/u-s-suicides-rates-are-rising-faster-among-women-than-men

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/women-and-prescription-drug-use_n_1098023

https://www.morganstanley.com/ideas/womens-impact-on-the-economy

So everyone here who is arguing against me is in direct conflict with lived in reality and is arguing just to make a point. Its like me arguing the Suns gaze shouldn't be Hot. I feel like the Suns Gaze should be cool .

It doesn't matter what I think is correct or wrong. Reality is reality, human biology is human biology.

There's nothing wrong with women wanting to be taken care of, not wanting to work and be dependent upon a man and give responsibility unto him. This is how the world worked since hundreds of thousands of years of human existence till the last century when Feminism and this idea of female financial and sexual independence was created out of the Marxist Frankfurt school.

When I say women, I am talking about the majority of women. And that constitutes reality. If you're fighting me on any of my points you're making a contrarian outlier argument that isn't based on reality.

Also ,I don't take responsibility for anything that I've said makes you feel any type of way. According to my Free Speech rights I can make any kind of incendiary and inflammatory speech that I like that doesn't involve specifics.
Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[1] The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action".[2][3]:702 Specifically, the Court struck down Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence

If that woman feels sad ,that's her problem. I'm not going to change my tone in anyway whatever just to appease someone else.

I never bring my personal opinion about topics related to Gender and Social issues because what I personally think don't matter.

For example I personally don't think that Yehuborim should be in any kind of powerful position in any country and that they shouldn't be inside of any countries period. My personal view is that they should be shipped to Islands where they can't interact with other humans as we start thinking about methods of the Final Solution.

But regardless of my view, the fact is that Yehuborim are entrenched in any single political organization, company of lobbying groups ,scientific establishment, banking, media etc.

I personally like women who are submissive, hold the same positions ideologically that I do and are not combative ,gives me peace and isn't naggy and complaint, is fit like I am. Regardless of what you think about this woman I'm destined to meet this woman and she's destined to be my wife because that's what I'm attracted to and my RAS is pulling towards me. Your opinion here doesn't change the fact that I was meant to be the husband of a woman who was naturally born as submissive like I was born Dominant. Your judgment about what is good or bad has no bearing on the outcome. I have never coerced any woman to love me through any kind of manipulation. They know what I believe in and what I stand for.

This is similar to you saying that you do not like women who feel attracted to men who want to take care of them and don't want them to be independent or responsible in any significant way. Or that you don't like my view that women can't and don't want to be leaders, or work or be independent.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969#:~:text=Relative%20declines%20in%20female%20happiness,subjective%20well%2Dbeing%20for%20men.

Regardless of how you feel about these women ,the fact of reality is that they exist in the majority. That the majority of attractive men with good genes are Sexist and majority of humanity who haven't taken the vaccines and are going to inherit the earth after the defeat of the Yehuborim hold similar positions like I do on these topics.

Also I feel like I'm beating the skeleton of a dead horse that has decomposed and has since caught fire.
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Pictured : Arguing with women is like beating the decomposed dead horse

I'm just doing this because I want to present to men the image that they should never be ashamed or bullied for wanting to speak facts, just because women will say "How Dare you. "
giphy.webp

No matter what anyone says a man must always defend himself and not bend before social pressure. We must offend, we must make incendiary and extremist statements. We must push the overtone window because we must always put our ideals before our emotions. I never argue with women in relationships because I know women can't be argued with. The only way to change her mind is to change her emotions and then get her to agree using compliance ladders with what your saying. Arguing logically against a woman for something you want from her is like digging a grave for yourself to jump inside.

Also there is no need for me to tailor my message to women because they aren't going to take any action either way. It is the men who take action, who will lead the women in their personal lives and it is they who will impart value to a woman and the women will follow. The only demographic that needs to be convinced of what I'm saying is men across all cultures. And they will listen to ideological instructions and statistics and logic,not confusing emotional drivel.

I've laid all the facts and logic which aren't up for debate across the table and I implore everyone reading to come to a conclusion from the lens of critical thinking. Emotion is reserved for actions you take in your personal lives while dealing with another person. Ideological positions must always be based on reality, not your personal view of the world. That is my final message on this topic ,on this thread. Peace out.

I pity you, and the level of stupidity and self-projection within your comment here. Everything you've said can be applied directly to yourself and your behaviour under this thread. A thread that was never about you and your statistics and irrational view of the majority of the female sex. I have first hand experience of what it's like to be under sexist men. I also have first hand experience of real women, who were mothers, leaders, worked, and loved their men. And men who were fathers, kind, strong, loyal, and did not treat their women or children as something to dominate but something to nurture. I speak for my whole family, and that is a very large family. We weren't perfect as people, but the structure of my family and their values is something I am proud of.

You provide second hand statistics written by someone else. I provide knowledge gained personally. Tell me if that is illogical, nonfactual, and overly emotional? In statistics, everyone is just a number, everyone's the same. You call what we talk about irrelevant cases, when your own don't even make up enough numbers in the population to generalise the way you have about women. Life is more complicated than you make it appear to be. People are more complicated than you make them appear to be. Statistics don't reveal everything and they can be manipulated.

If you are oh so irrefutably right, logical and totally didn't derail this thread, and all of us including the High Priest according to your words are wrong, emotional, illogical and are at fault here, then what a strange reality you must live in, Jack.

For a guy that claims he is being rational, your actions don't say so. Something interesting I have come to find, those who turn their emotions to stone, shove them down, or cast them aside as unimportant, become more emotional, irrational, and uncaring than those who regularly express them.

Talk about sewing or make your own thread.
 

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