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is prostitution a necessary social service?

Crystallized Mushroom

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I remember reading on the forums that Maxine Dietrich Said that sex is a human need and that prostitution is necessary if so how come in the United States where I live its illegal and how come people are so restrictive about when its okay to have sex like the belief that its only for marriage also what did Maxine mean about a society collapsing without prostitution since I haven't seen that in the United States but heard that people who go celibate like catholic priests very often become pedophiles but the media says that's not a factor toward pedophilia. I'd kindly like an answer to my questions sorry if they're to much or weird. :oops:
 
Crystallized Mushroom said:
I remember reading on the forums that Maxine Dietrich Said that sex is a human need and that prostitution is necessary if so how come in the United States where I live its illegal and how come people are so restrictive about when its okay to have sex like the belief that its only for marriage also what did Maxine mean about a society collapsing without prostitution since I haven't seen that in the United States but heard that people who go celibate like catholic priests very often become pedophiles but the media says that's not a factor toward pedophilia. I'd kindly like an answer to my questions sorry if they're to much or weird. :oops:

see:
Prostitution
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1545
 
GG Allin said:
Crystallized Mushroom said:
I remember reading on the forums that Maxine Dietrich Said that sex is a human need and that prostitution is necessary if so how come in the United States where I live its illegal and how come people are so restrictive about when its okay to have sex like the belief that its only for marriage also what did Maxine mean about a society collapsing without prostitution since I haven't seen that in the United States but heard that people who go celibate like catholic priests very often become pedophiles but the media says that's not a factor toward pedophilia. I'd kindly like an answer to my questions sorry if they're to much or weird. :oops:

see:
Prostitution
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1545
thanks I didn't know this was discussed years ago :) :mrgreen:
 
FancyMancy said:
There are basic Human needs, including food, drink, breathing, sleeping, comfort, etc., and sex is one of them. The Yehubor knows sex is important, hence why it is trying to control people and stop them from having sex. Having sex and it being "allowed" is not to have anyone be maniacs or anything. "You can have too much of a good thing." "Having things in moderation." "There must be balance." As for (((the media))) saying things - the Yehubor controls nearly all of that.
i know this is old and that those are Human needs but what are all the Human needs and what did HPHoodedcobra mean when he said that without prostitution that society would collapse i'm curious protituion is illegal in the united states which is where i'm from but how would society collapse and have any of those happened in the united states cause I know divorce and cheating I heard is rather high here so how would society collapse would there be rape mobs etc? :?: :?: :?: :?:
 
Without sex, and orgasm, you loose something integral to being human. If you go celibate your whole life, it does incalculable damage to your psyche, and it is likely to kill your soul too.

Sex is equally important to drinking water. Without it, you will also die, just not as abruptly.

However, if you die of dehydration, you will likely be able to incarnate just fine, and have minimal trauma/dross on your soul from the experience, depending on the circumstances that lead to you dying of dehydration of course.

If instead you died after living a miserable celibate life, with no sex, and barely any or even no orgasm at all, your soul will be afflicted by serious deep scars, and your mind will also be afflicted by a lot of mental trauma. It is likely after such a life, the soul will have no energy left at all and literally just dissipate, ie, die permanently, after your physical death, due to lacking the energy to reincarnate.

It is far more harmful to go celibate your whole life, than to die from starvation or dehydration. Sex is integral to life, and integral to the soul. Sex naturally evokes the kundalini energy, even in completely unspiritual people, and orgasm releases a huge amount of energy which revitalizes you mentally and spiritually, even when not directed consciously.

Just having sex is not enough to spiritually advance, or reach any spiritual heights, but it does revitalize and empower the soul, which prevents you from draining yourself totally.

Unless you have sex with people who are energy vampires, then of course it is awful for you, and will totally drain you, on top of give you a huge amount of dross and garbage on your soul.

Healthy sex between two healthy, consenting adults, is very nourishing and integral to your existence. Which is why the Yehuborim attack it so vehemently, and why all the Yehubor programs do whatever they can to prevent people from having sex, and make sex as unpleasant an experience it can be.

Prostitution is therefore very healthy for society, as it allows men and woman, who are not in the position to enjoy sex with a lover or partner, to still fulfill this need.

Without prostitution, there end up being huge amounts of people with varying levels of sexual repression, which results in many different problems, such as sex crimes, depression, suicide, emasculation in men and the opposite in woman, incels, and what have you.

Which when it becomes widespread enough, does completely destroy society.

Almost all psychological problems a person can have, can be traced back to unbalance in their sex life or non existence of a sex life altogether. So long as a person can have enjoyable sex every once in a while, they are far less likely to ever suffer from any form of depression, apathy to life, or the like.

Sex makes people feel alive. Even those people who are very asexual, and don’t have much of a desire, do need it from time to time, in order to remain healthy, and depending on how serious it is, asexuality can in itself be a problem related to sexual repression or some form of unbalance or dross related to sex in their current life of past life.

In fact, many psychological problems people have are results from having unsatisfactory sex or having suffered from a sex crime, or abuse of some kind in a past life, all of which are also largely caused by sexual repression or other problems related to male-female relationships.

It really is that important to have a healthy sex life that suits you, and fills your need.
 
VoiceofEnki said:
Without sex, and orgasm, you loose something integral to being human. If you go celibate your whole life, it does incalculable damage to your psyche, and it is likely to kill your soul too.

Sex is equally important to drinking water. Without it, you will also die, just not as abruptly.

However, if you die of dehydration, you will likely be able to incarnate just fine, and have minimal trauma/dross on your soul from the experience, depending on the circumstances that lead to you dying of dehydration of course.

If instead you died after living a miserable celibate life, with no sex, and barely any or even no orgasm at all, your soul will be afflicted by serious deep scars, and your mind will also be afflicted by a lot of mental trauma. It is likely after such a life, the soul will have no energy left at all and literally just dissipate, ie, die permanently, after your physical death, due to lacking the energy to reincarnate.

It is far more harmful to go celibate your whole life, than to die from starvation or dehydration. Sex is integral to life, and integral to the soul. Sex naturally evokes the kundalini energy, even in completely unspiritual people, and orgasm releases a huge amount of energy which revitalizes you mentally and spiritually, even when not directed consciously.

Just having sex is not enough to spiritually advance, or reach any spiritual heights, but it does revitalize and empower the soul, which prevents you from draining yourself totally.

Unless you have sex with people who are energy vampires, then of course it is awful for you, and will totally drain you, on top of give you a huge amount of dross and garbage on your soul.

Healthy sex between two healthy, consenting adults, is very nourishing and integral to your existence. Which is why the Yehuborim attack it so vehemently, and why all the Yehubor programs do whatever they can to prevent people from having sex, and make sex as unpleasant an experience it can be.

Prostitution is therefore very healthy for society, as it allows men and woman, who are not in the position to enjoy sex with a lover or partner, to still fulfill this need.

Without prostitution, there end up being huge amounts of people with varying levels of sexual repression, which results in many different problems, such as sex crimes, depression, suicide, emasculation in men and the opposite in woman, incels, and what have you.

Which when it becomes widespread enough, does completely destroy society.

Almost all psychological problems a person can have, can be traced back to unbalance in their sex life or non existence of a sex life altogether. So long as a person can have enjoyable sex every once in a while, they are far less likely to ever suffer from any form of depression, apathy to life, or the like.

Sex makes people feel alive. Even those people who are very asexual, and don’t have much of a desire, do need it from time to time, in order to remain healthy, and depending on how serious it is, asexuality can in itself be a problem related to sexual repression or some form of unbalance or dross related to sex in their current life of past life.

In fact, many psychological problems people have are results from having unsatisfactory sex or having suffered from a sex crime, or abuse of some kind in a past life, all of which are also largely caused by sexual repression or other problems related to male-female relationships.

It really is that important to have a healthy sex life that suits you, and fills your need.
interesting I didn't think that sex was THAT IMPORTANT but I see what you mean these problems do exist and are related to sex and being lonely why doesn't science or psychology mention this is it because Yehuborim are hiding this to continue problems and justify banning prostitution and other consensual sex through their stupid religions :( :( :evil: :evil:
 
FancyMancy said:
There are basic Human needs, including food, drink, breathing, sleeping, comfort, etc., and sex is one of them. The Yehubor knows sex is important, hence why it is trying to control people and stop them from having sex. Having sex and it being "allowed" is not to have anyone be maniacs or anything. "You can have too much of a good thing." "Having things in moderation." "There must be balance." As for (((the media))) saying things - the Yehubor controls nearly all of that.

i also heard friends and talking is a human need but what happens over time if your lonely and no one likes you do you go insane?
 
Crystallized Mushroom said:
FancyMancy said:
There are basic Human needs, including food, drink, breathing, sleeping, comfort, etc., and sex is one of them. The Yehubor knows sex is important, hence why it is trying to control people and stop them from having sex. Having sex and it being "allowed" is not to have anyone be maniacs or anything. "You can have too much of a good thing." "Having things in moderation." "There must be balance." As for (((the media))) saying things - the Yehubor controls nearly all of that.

i also heard friends and talking is a human need but what happens over time if your lonely and no one likes you do you go insane?
Then they might be an incel. There are ways and means to change that, though - we know (or can check on here and our websites to find out) what they are!
 
FancyMancy said:
Crystallized Mushroom said:
FancyMancy said:
There are basic Human needs, including food, drink, breathing, sleeping, comfort, etc., and sex is one of them. The Yehubor knows sex is important, hence why it is trying to control people and stop them from having sex. Having sex and it being "allowed" is not to have anyone be maniacs or anything. "You can have too much of a good thing." "Having things in moderation." "There must be balance." As for (((the media))) saying things - the Yehubor controls nearly all of that.

i also heard friends and talking is a human need but what happens over time if your lonely and no one likes you do you go insane?
Then they might be an incel. There are ways and means to change that, though - we know (or can check on here and our websites to find out) what they are!
that sounds sad i'm glad i have several friends and a family that likes me though still no girlfriend/boyfriend but i'm sure one day that will happen in my life i don't want to an incel also are incels like they because of personality or something?
 
VoiceofEnki said:
Without sex, and orgasm, you loose something integral to being human. If you go celibate your whole life, it does incalculable damage to your psyche, and it is likely to kill your soul too.

Sex is equally important to drinking water. Without it, you will also die, just not as abruptly.

However, if you die of dehydration, you will likely be able to incarnate just fine, and have minimal trauma/dross on your soul from the experience, depending on the circumstances that lead to you dying of dehydration of course.

If instead you died after living a miserable celibate life, with no sex, and barely any or even no orgasm at all, your soul will be afflicted by serious deep scars, and your mind will also be afflicted by a lot of mental trauma. It is likely after such a life, the soul will have no energy left at all and literally just dissipate, ie, die permanently, after your physical death, due to lacking the energy to reincarnate.

It is far more harmful to go celibate your whole life, than to die from starvation or dehydration. Sex is integral to life, and integral to the soul. Sex naturally evokes the kundalini energy, even in completely unspiritual people, and orgasm releases a huge amount of energy which revitalizes you mentally and spiritually, even when not directed consciously.

Just having sex is not enough to spiritually advance, or reach any spiritual heights, but it does revitalize and empower the soul, which prevents you from draining yourself totally.

Unless you have sex with people who are energy vampires, then of course it is awful for you, and will totally drain you, on top of give you a huge amount of dross and garbage on your soul.

Healthy sex between two healthy, consenting adults, is very nourishing and integral to your existence. Which is why the Yehuborim attack it so vehemently, and why all the Yehubor programs do whatever they can to prevent people from having sex, and make sex as unpleasant an experience it can be.

Prostitution is therefore very healthy for society, as it allows men and woman, who are not in the position to enjoy sex with a lover or partner, to still fulfill this need.

Without prostitution, there end up being huge amounts of people with varying levels of sexual repression, which results in many different problems, such as sex crimes, depression, suicide, emasculation in men and the opposite in woman, incels, and what have you.

Which when it becomes widespread enough, does completely destroy society.

Almost all psychological problems a person can have, can be traced back to unbalance in their sex life or non existence of a sex life altogether. So long as a person can have enjoyable sex every once in a while, they are far less likely to ever suffer from any form of depression, apathy to life, or the like.

Sex makes people feel alive. Even those people who are very asexual, and don’t have much of a desire, do need it from time to time, in order to remain healthy, and depending on how serious it is, asexuality can in itself be a problem related to sexual repression or some form of unbalance or dross related to sex in their current life of past life.

In fact, many psychological problems people have are results from having unsatisfactory sex or having suffered from a sex crime, or abuse of some kind in a past life, all of which are also largely caused by sexual repression or other problems related to male-female relationships.

It really is that important to have a healthy sex life that suits you, and fills your need.

i know i replied to this but i just realized the part wher you said depression, apathy to life and suicidal thoughts sounds like me just well though i don't think that could be due to me being a virgin could it i have good things happening to me such as three new friends 2 male 1 female.
 
Crystallized Mushroom said:
...are incels like they because of personality or something?...
I mean just consider how pathetic the term "involuntarily celibate" is to begin with. It's basically synonymous with "I'm sitting here being lazy but I still deserve sex and love, where are the women dudebros?"
Aside from the "manlet" meme, for the most part looks have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately I can't find the video but there was an incel on youtube who found a girlfriend. His initial video was very famous where he calls himself ugly. Anyway, he was not attractive at all, he just changed his attitude and lowered his expectations. Incels are also desperate, misogynist, usually traditionalist and bitter, most women sense that > don't like it > reject them > cycle continues. Many of them are beyond hope of changing because they simply refuse to change. Others have such archaic beliefs that women should be literal slaves for them. All because they are - or want to be - the breadwinners, and simply exist.
 
Jack said:
It's because they are short and ugly and women don't want them. It's called Natural Selection.

There are lots of short and ugly men who have a woman, and lots of tall and decently attractive men who are incels. It's personality, mindset, the ability to go after and talk to women, and other factors that attract or repel women. Women are not all as shallow as the media makes us out to be. Sure, women would prefer good-looking men, but it's not like it's the only deciding factor.
 
Crystallized Mushroom said:
FancyMancy said:
Crystallized Mushroom said:
i also heard friends and talking is a human need but what happens over time if your lonely and no one likes you do you go insane?
Then they might be an incel. There are ways and means to change that, though - we know (or can check on here and our websites to find out) what they are!
that sounds sad i'm glad i have several friends and a family that likes me though still no girlfriend/boyfriend but i'm sure one day that will happen in my life i don't want to an incel also are incels like they because of personality or something?
I haven't studied incels, so I don't know, but like with anything, things happen. Notice all of the different types of subcultures - there are media (music, films, etc.) targetting these audiences. If those advertisements, merchandise (both toys and gigs/events, etc.) and whatever else are successful and gain money, then they will seriously drench that target audience, and that portion of the market, with the same things. This goes into Psychology - if one's emo, chav, skater, punk, whatever... they all, each, have things directed to, and targetting, them.

Why should incel-ness be any different? Like attracts like - but also things like Screech from Saved by the Bell being one of the earlier geeks, with how bullies in school are and the in-group/out-group (i.e. different groups in school don't associate; therefore, they are "opponents" or "enemies") things cause problems - and those who fit into any group come across others like them and they hang out and the sub-culture of things get bigger... Incel is just another "thing". It could partly be personality, but also upbringing and Astrology, of course.

Maybe watch Beauty and the Geek (whichever country, or all of them). It might give a bit of "real"-ness, in the (((reality TV))) manner of things, about it.

By the way - when I mentioned incels, I was meaning more broadly about anyone who is celibate unwillingly. I didn't mean only the typical incel, as mentioned above.
 
Why would someone want have sex with woman that sleep with all kinds of men, which include the ones with shitty soul energies, you will just harm yourself. It feels wrong at the soul level even. Waste of money and time.
 
Lydia said:
Jack said:
It's because they are short and ugly and women don't want them. It's called Natural Selection.
There are lots of short and ugly men who have a woman, and lots of tall and decently attractive men who are incels. It's personality, mindset, the ability to go after and talk to women, and other factors that attract or repel women. Women are not all as shallow as the media makes us out to be. Sure, women would prefer good-looking men, but it's not like it's the only deciding factor.
Why are you assuming that these people don't have good personalities ? What if these are normal hardworking guys with good personalities who have tried talking to hundreds of women and have still been rejected and been told specifically "You're not tall enough. " What would you say to that person ? That his personality isn't good enough ?
 
Jack said:
Lydia said:
Jack said:
It's because they are short and ugly and women don't want them. It's called Natural Selection.
There are lots of short and ugly men who have a woman, and lots of tall and decently attractive men who are incels. It's personality, mindset, the ability to go after and talk to women, and other factors that attract or repel women. Women are not all as shallow as the media makes us out to be. Sure, women would prefer good-looking men, but it's not like it's the only deciding factor.
Why are you assuming that these people don't have good personalities ? What if these are normal hardworking guys with good personalities who have tried talking to hundreds of women and have still been rejected and been told specifically "You're not tall enough. " What would you say to that person ? That his personality isn't good enough ?

Natural selection is bullshit since clearly most women don't really pick the "Best partner" and there are also many other things they look for into men, rather than just what is assumed like height.

They might want an average man or even a person that is broadly considered "ugly" or whatever. Natural selection is nonsense since women especially on the present are programmed [and many have different or random tastes] and no longer gravitate towards the "Best partners".

The presupposition that all women are supreme wise selectors is a total garbage nonsense that doesn't exist and if it does exist, it has been widely reprogrammed. In Sparta for example, women would have judgement. Today, one needs to merely observe reality to understand what I mean here.

Maybe it's the case in India, but in the West, the capacities for most women to articulate which partner is better or worse, let alone on an actual evaluation of males or any objective evaluation, is on rapid deterioration. This is socially engineered, and has undertones to essentially destroy a Nation. It's part of generalized propaganda, which the enemy barrages freely from control of the Mass Media.

Additionally, Natural "Selection" would presuppose that most women have a point to give birth, which many clearly do not, while others prefer what is broadly refereed to as "Alpha" and others want teddy bear men or something like that.

Many will for example imagine they are with the "best male", but they will in the end have another person or end up with another one.

There are also other dynamics of life at play, and no, women don't get anything they want either, nor their preconceived imaginations always matter in reality. The same goes for men.

Yes, you can get a woman even if you are the so called "Worse" guy, and this happens rather frequently. Being the "Best" is not necessary to procreate or anything like this and that's a delusion. Being the "Best" will increase a theoretical pool, it does not increase a realistic one, yet with poor evaluation standards this is equally not a guarantor of anything.

Astrologically speaking, you can be the top so called "Alpha male" or whatever nonsense the Alt-right and "Natural Theorists" write, and still be alone, while a person that is widely considered "Average" can be getting far more women without doing a single thing.

A guy with decent social skills might get far more attention from "women", than a so called "perfect" guy that can't articulate a sentence. This is only one example.

Lastly, generations like millennials are different from boomers.

Many millennials are so disconnected from reality that there is a degree of unpredictability in tastes to the point that this can violate natural dictates at this point.

Movements like #MeToo have so actively brainwashed women that they perceive mere "masculinity" as a "threat", while "effeminate men" who are unable to even defend women as "desirable".

The same goes for brainwashing women in engagement with foreign tribes, while realistically speaking, they are ruining their chances for proper offspring or even decent procreation. For example, it's clearly not a decent choice nor one will enjoy dying from meth on a sidewalk with a so called "fatal relationship" and other nonsense people are constantly programmed into.

Regardless, when everyone is on a state where they are beneath the consciousness of many animals, it's to be expected that will be reflected in their mating choices, enduring power in relationships, how one makes choices etc.

At this point, natural selection is half a truth and represents a myth, since reprogramming is brutal. A certain portion of women who have sane instincts, can still make reasonable or good choices, yet from a mere social engineering perspective, the instincts of certain women have been completely flattened under propaganda.

Men likewise, are so brainwashed by Instagram and other nonsense that agitates the brain with standards that don't really exist, that many likewise will let good women go [good also in internal characteristics] over nonsense. Social media has also wrecked relationship building for both genders, by also ruining standards and "expectations", but also creating false feedback loops in regards to what anyone deserves.

Some others have had their minds liquefied by the constant barrage of programs that are promoted in Social Media etc, to the point their "choices" don't represent any wise natural selection, but might even represent the grossest inverse choices that literally will damn their own genetic pool or life.

"Wisdom" in "Female Choice" is a myth right now, and only applies in situations where women are actually too themselves wise and/or decent on a subconscious or biological level.

I write this too also for confused men here who might think sit there asking themselves why for example women who for all intents look "perfect", tend to for example do the stupidest choices in life they could have partners wise. This can occur for example with strong planetary positions that can cause ruin.

Women are also constantly falsely perpetuated into the lie that their "heart will choose", which often times represents not even their "heart", since most women are becoming increasingly unable to focus on their own emotions at this point, and since society requires them to do this less and less.

Systematically, women are being programmed to in a sense, revoke any wisdom of the heart and become empty and desolate like the famous idols that are promoted currently worldwide. This leads to a false sense of confidence out of perpetual emotional self defence, and later on loneliness and collapse.

In the same manner that a human being can fail to let's say make the proper business decisions, a being can also fail to make partnership decisions. These bad decisions are promoted by the media, linked to terms as "hot", "necessary", "adventures" and whatever other stuff the average brain can consume. That is engineered and not a product of any "Free will".

Finally, only smart or deprogrammed women can follow in reality a form of natural selection, and bring this in par with let's say the wise choice of a male. These women are a minority, and it takes intelligence or pure luck. There is no unilateral deciding law here.

Regardless, this spiral expanding itself, ruins the life of both men and women, and leads to severe depression and other issues which can end up as irredeemable.

Therefore, pretending one has the natural conclusive "cause" for this or claiming that "Women Do Natural Selection" or whatever, even if "real" in a "normal" situation, does not represent "reality" right now in the present moment.
 
Crystallized Mushroom said:
FancyMancy said:
Crystallized Mushroom said:
i also heard friends and talking is a human need but what happens over time if your lonely and no one likes you do you go insane?
Then they might be an incel. There are ways and means to change that, though - we know (or can check on here and our websites to find out) what they are!
that sounds sad i'm glad i have several friends and a family that likes me though still no girlfriend/boyfriend but i'm sure one day that will happen in my life i don't want to an incel also are incels like they because of personality or something?

Incels are a byproduct of poor communication capability, networking, flirting skills, and women are also indirectly affected by this in the millenial generation. They don't necessarily represent "Bad males" or anything like that, but one has to be very bad in one aspect, such as for example communication.

The rise of social media, false feedback loops for women, and false expectations for both genders, has made matters more complex here.
 
Jack said:
Lydia said:
Jack said:
It's because they are short and ugly and women don't want them. It's called Natural Selection.
There are lots of short and ugly men who have a woman, and lots of tall and decently attractive men who are incels. It's personality, mindset, the ability to go after and talk to women, and other factors that attract or repel women. Women are not all as shallow as the media makes us out to be. Sure, women would prefer good-looking men, but it's not like it's the only deciding factor.
Why are you assuming that these people don't have good personalities ? What if these are normal hardworking guys with good personalities who have tried talking to hundreds of women and have still been rejected and been told specifically "You're not tall enough. " What would you say to that person ? That his personality isn't good enough ?
I didn't assume that they don't have good personalities, you are the one who assumed the "natural selection" nonsense is legit. I even wrote "and other factors" but I didn't clarify more, simply because I don't like writing much online. I think HP Cobra covered it all in depth.

As for those men who try talking to women, is it in bars and clubs? You will only find programmed shallow women there who do and say the "socially acceptable by my peers in clubs" things. Women don't even think or say what they could actually mean when in social situations like clubs, they all follow a script. It's such nonsense.

People need to get out of clubs and off social media, and meditate and be real.
 
Soul Wings said:
I mean just consider how pathetic the term "involuntarily celibate" is to begin with. It's basically synonymous with "I'm sitting here being lazy but I still deserve sex and love, where are the women dudebros?"
Aside from the "manlet" meme, for the most part looks have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately I can't find the video but there was an incel on youtube who found a girlfriend. His initial video was very famous where he calls himself ugly. Anyway, he was not attractive at all, he just changed his attitude and lowered his expectations. Incels are also desperate, misogynist, usually traditionalist and bitter, most women sense that > don't like it > reject them > cycle continues. Many of them are beyond hope of changing because they simply refuse to change. Others have such archaic beliefs that women should be literal slaves for them. All because they are - or want to be - the breadwinners, and simply exist.

I think most of Incel rage comes from what they perceive as a failure of society to prepare both them and women for conducive relationships. In the same way, desperate older women probably feel similarly.

There is rage involved in this situation of repressed emotions, but that does not mean pity cannot be had for the struggles of normal people who only want to satisfy basic needs.

We know that the enemy has fucked up society so badly that it is not clear what needs to be fixed. This is the case with spirituality, but also with gender relationships. Therefore, just as some people turn to strange New Age beliefs, Incels try to go backward in time and chose something they think has worked before.

Crystallized Mushroom said:

You aren't going to an incel, or have any other major problem if you are steadfast in your advancement. There is nothing to fear, and there is always a solution.
 
Lydia said:
Jack said:
Lydia said:
There are lots of short and ugly men who have a woman, and lots of tall and decently attractive men who are incels. It's personality, mindset, the ability to go after and talk to women, and other factors that attract or repel women. Women are not all as shallow as the media makes us out to be. Sure, women would prefer good-looking men, but it's not like it's the only deciding factor.
Why are you assuming that these people don't have good personalities ? What if these are normal hardworking guys with good personalities who have tried talking to hundreds of women and have still been rejected and been told specifically "You're not tall enough. " What would you say to that person ? That his personality isn't good enough ?
I didn't assume that they don't have good personalities, you are the one who assumed the "natural selection" nonsense is legit. I even wrote "and other factors" but I didn't clarify more, simply because I don't like writing much online. I think HP Cobra covered it all in depth.

As for those men who try talking to women, is it in bars and clubs? You will only find programmed shallow women there who do and say the "socially acceptable by my peers in clubs" things. Women don't even think or say what they could actually mean when in social situations like clubs, they all follow a script. It's such nonsense.

People need to get out of clubs and off social media, and meditate and be real.
Thanks for Solving the problem. I just told all the incels to go to the library and yoga classes. Every incel has a wife now. :) :) :)
 
Aquarius said:
Any suggestion on where to find decent women?
I don't see how the library is a suitable place, people go there to read not to be flirted with :lol:

A lot of men seem to think you need to flirt and have "game" or whatever. This isn't so. I get what you mean but I wanted to say that anyway, because of how society is these days. All about being flirty and suggestive, sure that can get you a hookup but not necessarily a lasting relationship.

I've known people who met at libraries btw, you notice someone reading a book you've read or are interested in, and chat about it (quietly of course because of the no loud talking rules) and then maybe make plans to go for coffee or whatever and then take it from there. It happens. Maybe not the most exciting way to meet someone but better than not trying at all.

You hear all the time about couples who meet through common friends or family members, or shared interests in activities. Of course a lot of people meet in bars because that's their shared activity lol, but there are more ways.
 
Blitzkreig said:
Soul Wings said:
I mean just consider how pathetic the term "involuntarily celibate" is to begin with. It's basically synonymous with "I'm sitting here being lazy but I still deserve sex and love, where are the women dudebros?"
Aside from the "manlet" meme, for the most part looks have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately I can't find the video but there was an incel on youtube who found a girlfriend. His initial video was very famous where he calls himself ugly. Anyway, he was not attractive at all, he just changed his attitude and lowered his expectations. Incels are also desperate, misogynist, usually traditionalist and bitter, most women sense that > don't like it > reject them > cycle continues. Many of them are beyond hope of changing because they simply refuse to change. Others have such archaic beliefs that women should be literal slaves for them. All because they are - or want to be - the breadwinners, and simply exist.

I think most of Incel rage comes from what they perceive as a failure of society to prepare both them and women for conducive relationships. In the same way, desperate older women probably feel similarly.

There is rage involved in this situation of repressed emotions, but that does not mean pity cannot be had for the struggles of normal people who only want to satisfy basic needs.

We know that the enemy has fucked up society so badly that it is not clear what needs to be fixed. This is the case with spirituality, but also with gender relationships. Therefore, just as some people turn to strange New Age beliefs, Incels try to go backward in time and chose something they think has worked before.

Crystallized Mushroom said:

You aren't going to an incel, or have any other major problem if you are steadfast in your advancement. There is nothing to fear, and there is always a solution.

well by societys standards they would probably consider me an incel due to being a virgin even though my personality isn't toxic otherwise i wouldn't have the seven or so friends i have and get along with others barring my family of course but i still interact well with my family despite that. also i'm at a point where i don't want family love or brotherly love i just wanna be independent and have a girlfriend/boyfriend maybe one day in a tropical paradise :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: .

also are you sure sex is a "need" cause it doean't seem like it sure i'm depressed and apathetic to life and have some suicidal thoughts that i don't act on and want to sometimes give up my family and friends but i don't act on them i just COPE as usual.plus i also feel its wrong for me to even desire to be with someone.
 
Lydia said:
Aquarius said:
Any suggestion on where to find decent women?
I don't see how the library is a suitable place, people go there to read not to be flirted with :lol:

A lot of men seem to think you need to flirt and have "game" or whatever. This isn't so. I get what you mean but I wanted to say that anyway, because of how society is these days. All about being flirty and suggestive, sure that can get you a hookup but not necessarily a lasting relationship.

I've known people who met at libraries btw, you notice someone reading a book you've read or are interested in, and chat about it (quietly of course because of the no loud talking rules) and then maybe make plans to go for coffee or whatever and then take it from there. It happens. Maybe not the most exciting way to meet someone but better than not trying at all.

You hear all the time about couples who meet through common friends or family members, or shared interests in activities. Of course a lot of people meet in bars because that's their shared activity lol, but there are more ways.

i've heard about that is it different to start a relationship with a woman vs a man?
 
Lydia said:
Aquarius said:
Any suggestion on where to find decent women?
I don't see how the library is a suitable place, people go there to read not to be flirted with :lol:

A lot of men seem to think you need to flirt and have "game" or whatever. This isn't so. I get what you mean but I wanted to say that anyway, because of how society is these days. All about being flirty and suggestive, sure that can get you a hookup but not necessarily a lasting relationship.

I've known people who met at libraries btw, you notice someone reading a book you've read or are interested in, and chat about it (quietly of course because of the no loud talking rules) and then maybe make plans to go for coffee or whatever and then take it from there. It happens. Maybe not the most exciting way to meet someone but better than not trying at all.

You hear all the time about couples who meet through common friends or family members, or shared interests in activities. Of course a lot of people meet in bars because that's their shared activity lol, but there are more ways.
Yeah, I'm not the "game" type, I go hard against that bullshit when someone promotes it. Thank you for the advice, although that's easier said than done now here in Italy, green pass for everything is needed, gonna have to try my luck when hiking lol.
 

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