tabby
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NakedPluto said:tabby said:
The concept of right and wrong was never created by xianity, never possessed or attainment of their doctrines. This is like saying that the apple was created by some fictitious fairies, like, I don’t know this is so absurd.
What they did was use the nature of the human against the human, implicitly by the error that the mind can have when it is not sustained by the spiritual higher mind.
As I already said, right and wrong are values that come as a function of the process of understanding, the concepts in themselves being from the duality of all things that exist. Good and bad, right and wrong, happy and sad, one and zero.
Being it is either ignored on a conscious level, such as being against it on the mental process, it does not matter truly, as the mind by default has these valences of duality, and it uses these to open the line of thoughts implicit of their categorization.
This seed of corruption bears fruit such as everything and everyone is equal and other mind absurdities that are not true, and do not work as the living beings and nature of things are just like that, dual.
The enemy loves the concept of hive-mind, singularity. In this realm of discussion, you can see the above, such as right and wrong doesn’t exist, create the input needed for the mind to obey without discernment.
In the bible, when the human took the apple, it was said that it suddenly received the conscience, the discernment between right and wrong. Meaning from the sleeping/judge-less/borg they attained human quality and higher capacities from Satan, suddenly, as this implies and is in a direct relationship, they received free will. Free will comes with the freedom of seeing, analyzation, and judgment coupled with awareness and consciousness.
Right and wrong are values that which the mind uses to harbor and make decisions, to have free will.
Now I know what you are referring to about these, however, it has nothing to do with it. You are referring to the lack of awareness, critique and analyzation this right and wrong may ensue, but this is false. As I already said this is the background, the opened and the closer. This was used only as a closer by the enemy. This is wrong, don’t do that. But this quality of thought implies also provocative thought. It comes naturally the question Why, regardless.
So the premise is already defeated, that these values and concepts are limiting and slaving weapons of the mind. Instead, they are thought-provoking stimulants, and motives of analysis, in which knowledge can assert in the mind and have value of attention from the consciousness.
What is even funnier, is that this argument coupled with Jrvan arguments, are on the same structure of the sheep argument, reversed. It is the same effort when you tried to delimit the natural animal sheep from nature from the metaphorical use of it of the enemy. Try to think the same you did with the sheep, now with the above concepts.
If we want to complexify, we can say that causally determined wills are not free wills, and have a discussion upon theological corruptions upon the mind. But to what benefit?
The other things that you stated have nothing to do with this discussion of ethics and morality, rather are confused and correct observations attached to the wrong inputs and outputs. One can advance the rational mind and be extremely empathic at the same time, there’s nothing that would invalidate themselves of this kind. The rest may come in advancement, again nothing inherently wrong, but not right as well, only much needed advancement is due to form factual observations and not opinions before promoting them, especially to the youth.
Study Nietzsche, as he entered the realm of nihilism to provoke the thought and lethargy of the mind while giving anchors to overcome it, and told and structured doctorates around the philosophy of the higher mind and all of these transformative stages of the mind.
That particular comment of mine was not meant to be coupled totally with jrvan's. It was a separate mental exercise relaying my personal experiences and thoughts on the concept, since I felt it fits with the subject at hand. We condemn those with a different opinion or way of doing things simply because we think our own are right. Energy ripping is deemed wrong and so anyone no matter the purpose of why and how they use it is bashed for it, despite the fact that this magickal tool itself isn't actually wrong to use. People just believe it is because of who they associate it with and lacking knowledge about energy ripping. If we put "right" and "wrong" above truth, then lies are allowed to fester and turn things into chaos when people decide what they believe is meant to be right and others wrong, and use that to judge people poorly or enforce harmful laws upon others. That's partially why this topic is such a negative one because people insist they are right and condemn Dahaarkan, and those like myself and jrvan for simply using the tools we are given to deal with certain people. After being in a few fights myself and unpleasant life experiences, the patterns are always the same - someone either on one side or both believes in totality that they are right and the other is wrong without regard for what is actual true, and for those who are quite horrible people use that concept to justify horrible actions such as brainwashing and manipulating children and young adults to do your dirty work for you.
Truth is solid and is unquestionable, because if you are not following truth you are following lies. But with right and wrong, anyone can decided what right and wrong is based on how things affect them and others. It's easily corrupted and twisted, but truth never changes and lies are always lies.
The concept works and is useful only if the society isn't out of alignment with truth. Otherwise people with a head on their shoulders have to go the extra mile to teach others what is or isn't acceptable to do, but that doesn't guarantee people will retain those teachings when placed among different groups of people. A child can grow up with upstanding morals and become corrupted just because they fell into the wrong crowd. That's what happens without truth and spirituality.
People who either need to or can believe there is inherent good and inherent evil, they are free to. I don't believe that completely getting rid of right and wrong for everyone is an appropriate stance to take because most can't live without other peoples rules guiding them. But lessen the judgment on those who know just a little too much of the darker side of life and have had to choose between being right and good, or surviving. I broke the concept for myself because it does me no good, I only want to know what the truth is and obey it, and decide my actions accordingly with the full weight of what those actions are ingrained into my awareness. I have no use for a concept that nearly killed me.