I want family & kids :( help

[Stormborn Warrior]

Hi.. How's you all?

I keep dream desiring and wishing i to have kids and a family now.

But i feel like i really cant because I have a demon lover and in monogous relationship with him for 3 years now. And i know it's not possible to have kids with them.

But this desire has being following for so long and i am getting depressed and unhappy with my life and im starting to hate my life everyday because it's all i want is be a mother and have a family. It is making me want to rather choose death if i cant have hopes. I feel so heart broken seeing everyone having a family.

And it's making me miserable and it doesn't go away. It just gets worse as it comes back. I cant seem to push it away because it feels pretty strong now.

So what can i do about this? I wanted to figure how to get rid of it. But i cant find the answers. Not even my therapist is giving me the answer when i keep asking her how to get rid of it. She only wants me to never give up. and she is teaching me abit of child psychology.

Must I then leave my demon love because of my dream desire? I dont know what to do. I'm feeling miserable. Gawd.. I cant take this shit anymore.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

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If you complete the MO, you can have kids with a demon, if they are willing. It depends if you are able to wait that long or not. Otherwise, be open with your demon and Satan about an answer to this, as to what your options are.

 

[FancyMancy]

Wouldn't an advance person - a Daemon - know your desires more than you, since They can see into your Soul and probably know, or can see, your Astrologyl therefore, not lock you into a contract or obligation or promise like an idiot or offender would? I think yes; therefore, I ask - do you really, actually have a Daemon Lover, or are you just thinking that you have one?

 

[Aquarius]

You can always stop a relationship with a Demon and find a good man.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Wouldn't an advance person - a Daemon - know your desires more than you, since They can see into your Soul and probably know, or can see, your Astrologyl therefore, not lock you into a contract or obligation or promise like an idiot or offender would? I think yes; therefore, I ask - do you really, actually have a Daemon Lover, or are you just thinking that you have one?

Yes, they can see this. Sometimes, it is possible for a person to overcome a problem that may have inhibited them, making the Gods' efforts worthwhile. This relationship with the incubus may have served them well until this point, again why it would have been useful for them.

If this person is undergoing a transit, or perhaps a biological process, making them want to raise a family, then I believe the expectation is for them to handle these urges responsibly. This could mean talking out something with their Demon lover or breaking up in a mutual manner.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

Wouldn't an advance person - a Daemon - know your desires more than you, since They can see into your Soul and probably know, or can see, your Astrologyl therefore, not lock you into a contract or obligation or promise like an idiot or offender would? I think yes; therefore, I ask - do you really, actually have a Daemon Lover, or are you just thinking that you have one?

This.
There are actually many Zevism that have thought they were in relationships with Demons, only to find that they feel deprived or wanting of someone or something else.

Why would a monogamous Demon agree to a relationship with anyone if they know they will choose someone else or end up becoming "bored" with the relationship, which is obviously on the part of human weakness.

This type of lifestyle choice in the LHP is very narrow and only fit for a select few for a reason. I would assume firstly the majority of these few have had past life relationships with a Demon this way already, and if they are open or sensitive enough will be given signs for this or have it communicated in a way they can understand.

This is not to say it is not for others, but no one is going to tell me in 98 percent of the cases that any teenager or 20 something who still doesn't know their butt from a hole in the ground about life much less their own wants and needs,(don't mean to be course but most of the time this is true) who are eventually probably going to come to the conclusion of the OP, has an authentic romantic relationship on the astral with anyone.

I do not think that Demons take "well you can break up with them if you change their mind" mentality very well either. It just tells them you fall into the category of the aforementioned, which they will once again see beforehand, which is also rather disrespectful and ultimately dismissive.

I bet anyone who saw into the future of a lover that would do this would feel it to be quite hurtful. Like us the Gods are quite sentient beings and have feelings.

 

[Veritá_666]

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Would you like to have children or a family with someone other than your Demon Lover?

Yours is a burning desire, but trying to fulfil it can lead to disappointment, I explain that a relationship with someone outside your Demon Lover is likely to be unsatisfactory.

And so the only solution would be to be patient and take care of other things for now.

I had a similar problem, I needed physical love, but once I tried it, it did not satisfy me.
The only being I want is my Demoness, I realised this after I was after certain impulses and desires, but in these impulses I was looking for something I could not find, namely my Demoness, these impulses led me to fall in love with certain people just because they were physical, but once I tried the physical I was not satisfied.

This can also apply to you, once you have a family you may be dissatisfied because you really only want to be with your Demon Lover.

This may vary depending on the type of relationship you have with your Demon Lover.

 

[Flowers of Adonis]

You can try hanging out with any kids that your other family members have, or babysitting. That might fulfill this need.

You should also have an honest discussion about your needs. Your Demon love might even have advice for you, and you don't need to make any decision like this alone. Just speak with them while being open and honest.

Don't go in with the intention to break up or to solve this dilemma on your own. Let them be part of the decision process too.

 

[Stormborn Warrior]

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Would you like to have children or a family with someone other than your Demon Lover?

Yours is a burning desire, but trying to fulfil it can lead to disappointment, I explain that a relationship with someone outside your Demon Lover is likely to be unsatisfactory.

And so the only solution would be to be patient and take care of other things for now.

I had a similar problem, I needed physical love, but once I tried it, it did not satisfy me.
The only being I want is my Demoness, I realised this after I was after certain impulses and desires, but in these impulses I was looking for something I could not find, namely my Demoness, these impulses led me to fall in love with certain people just because they were physical, but once I tried the physical I was not satisfied.

This can also apply to you, once you have a family you may be dissatisfied because you really only want to be with your Demon Lover.

This may vary depending on the type of relationship you have with your Demon Lover.

I love my demon love so much. i wont ever leave him.

I spoke to him about how i am feeling and he makes my heart feel better.

I would never find anyone like him in this world and i know i wont be happy or love anyone else that's not him. I love him and want to make him happy.

I wouldn't be happy or satisfied with anyone else.

Thnx for your honesty and your comment. I really appreciate it. :3

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

I love my demon love so much. i wont ever leave him.

Then the solution for you is to wait until you can have kids with him. Or, Flowers of Adonis gave a good suggestion to try to mother other children in your life. Hopefully, this will alleviate your desires.

 

[Sundara]

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If you complete the MO, you can have kids with a demon, if they are willing. It depends if you are able to wait that long or not. Otherwise, be open with your demon and Satan about an answer to this, as to what your options are.

Things will certainly work themselves out as a person works on themselves, number one.

No, don't just wait or worry about hurting feelings. Having kids with a "demon"? C'mon Blitz.. :roll:

We cannot always rely on "answers" that may not be understood in the moment either. That's why people come on here. There's a lot for many people to learn. Especially about relationships.

A person can only grow from them.
There's a reason why I put emphasis on satanists getting out there and creating something else and not burying themselves online. It's imperative that we do not put ourselves too far above others. There are many significant and loving people out there who can even teach us things we never knew about ourselves.

I can't speak on anyone's behalf but I'm fairly certain any so-called royal lover worth while would be happy to accept a person's child from another relationship if things didn't happen to pan out some who knows how many years down the line. But that's a joke.

And that's definitely not the end goal. Lifelong partnership is definitely ideal.

But we all know that there can be some serious struggles two just cannot easily work out overnight sometimes.

One does not simply "wait" to complete "the m.o."
That's just life.

Last but not least - EVERYONE is a satanist if they're in a relationship with you. And they should always be loved and treated as your equal. Even if some of their words are not always your favorite. That's life.

Ain't nobody gettin' anywhere thinking some God will come down from the sky and whisk them away into a sunset bearing roses and linens.

Where's your girlfriend or boyfriend anyway, shouldn't you go find one?

 

[Henu the Great]

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If you complete the MO, you can have kids with a demon, if they are willing. It depends if you are able to wait that long or not. Otherwise, be open with your demon and Satan about an answer to this, as to what your options are.

Things will certainly work themselves out as a person works on themselves, number one.

No, don't just wait or worry about hurting feelings. Having kids with a "demon"? C'mon Blitz.. :roll:

We cannot always rely on "answers" that may not be understood in the moment either. That's why people come on here. There's a lot for many people to learn. Especially about relationships.

A person can only grow from them.
There's a reason why I put emphasis on satanists getting out there and creating something else and not burying themselves online. It's imperative that we do not put ourselves too far above others. There are many significant and loving people out there who can even teach us things we never knew about ourselves.

I can't speak on anyone's behalf but I'm fairly certain any so-called royal lover worth while would be happy to accept a person's child from another relationship if things didn't happen to pan out some who knows how many years down the line. But that's a joke.

And that's definitely not the end goal. Lifelong partnership is definitely ideal.

But we all know that there can be some serious struggles two just cannot easily work out overnight sometimes.

One does not simply "wait" to complete "the m.o."
That's just life.

Last but not least - EVERYONE is a satanist if they're in a relationship with you. And they should always be loved and treated as your equal. Even if some of their words are not always your favorite. That's life.

Ain't nobody gettin' anywhere thinking some God will come down from the sky and whisk them away into a sunset bearing roses and linens.

Where's your girlfriend or boyfriend anyway, shouldn't you go find one?

Does not work our for those who are in monogamous relationship with a Daemon or Daemonness... Good ideas otherwise.

And I do not think no one is expecting someone to "fall down from the sky" as you put it. If this kind of relationship is not your thing, that's okay, but you should respect others having such relationships.

 

[newbie40]

Adopt a child tht'd work I guess

 

[Sundara]

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If you complete the MO, you can have kids with a demon, if they are willing. It depends if you are able to wait that long or not. Otherwise, be open with your demon and Satan about an answer to this, as to what your options are.

Things will certainly work themselves out as a person works on themselves, number one.

No, don't just wait or worry about hurting feelings. Having kids with a "demon"? C'mon Blitz.. :roll:

We cannot always rely on "answers" that may not be understood in the moment either. That's why people come on here. There's a lot for many people to learn. Especially about relationships.

A person can only grow from them.
There's a reason why I put emphasis on satanists getting out there and creating something else and not burying themselves online. It's imperative that we do not put ourselves too far above others. There are many significant and loving people out there who can even teach us things we never knew about ourselves.

I can't speak on anyone's behalf but I'm fairly certain any so-called royal lover worth while would be happy to accept a person's child from another relationship if things didn't happen to pan out some who knows how many years down the line. But that's a joke.

And that's definitely not the end goal. Lifelong partnership is definitely ideal.

But we all know that there can be some serious struggles two just cannot easily work out overnight sometimes.

One does not simply "wait" to complete "the m.o."
That's just life.

Last but not least - EVERYONE is a satanist if they're in a relationship with you. And they should always be loved and treated as your equal. Even if some of their words are not always your favorite. That's life.

Ain't nobody gettin' anywhere thinking some God will come down from the sky and whisk them away into a sunset bearing roses and linens.

Where's your girlfriend or boyfriend anyway, shouldn't you go find one?

Does not work our for those who are in monogamous relationship with a Daemon or Daemonness... Good ideas otherwise.

And I do not think no one is expecting someone to "fall down from the sky" as you put it. If this kind of relationship is not your thing, that's okay, but you should respect others having such relationships.

It's just not always that simple when it comes to having families, but I have a great respect for those in relationships. They can ask about ways around this like blitz said. There's a lot of information about these relationships in many other threads on here. Highly recommend reading them. I wish anyone trying to have a family luck. If someone is in a monogamous relationship and wanting to have a family well, that is extremely personal. No one could really speak on that but the two.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

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Having kids with a demon is not outside the realm of possibility, although of course, it will not happen any time soon. The idea of even having a relationship with a demon should be considered just as strange as having kids with them, yet that is a reality.

When we are trying to obtain happiness, this cannot always be safely found by other humans, especially those that do not meditate. I'm not sure what you mean about considering them as Zevism, because I would not consider anyone that just because they are connected to you.

The reason one should be hopeful about a relationship with a demon is because of their ability to be very good lovers. I would be very hesitant to suggest this person break up, especially since they already get along so well. As far as people who can teach us, again, a demon can fulfill that role, too.

Just as you suggest it may be overly naive to expect the Gods to "whisk us away", I could say the same about thinking one can find a suitable partner to easily replace their demon of three years.

Although I believe similarly in regards to being compassionate towards everyone, I don't think it is wise to consider humans and demon as equal in their relationship abilities. That may end in pain for the person in question, which is why I suggested keeping their current relationship.

 

[Sundara]

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Having kids with a demon is not outside the realm of possibility, although of course, it will not happen any time soon. The idea of even having a relationship with a demon should be considered just as strange as having kids with them, yet that is a reality.

When we are trying to obtain happiness, this cannot always be safely found by other humans, especially those that do not meditate. I'm not sure what you mean about considering them as Zevism, because I would not consider anyone that just because they are connected to you.

The reason one should be hopeful about a relationship with a demon is because of their ability to be very good lovers. I would be very hesitant to suggest this person break up, especially since they already get along so well. As far as people who can teach us, again, a demon can fulfill that role, too.

Just as you suggest it may be overly naive to expect the Gods to "whisk us away", I could say the same about thinking one can find a suitable partner to easily replace their demon of three years.

Although I believe similarly in regards to being compassionate towards everyone, I don't think it is wise to consider humans and demon as equal in their relationship abilities. That may end in pain for the person in question, which is why I suggested keeping their current relationship.

Not everything said on here is a one size fits all, But cheers to that brother. I still don't think demon is a proper term though for those we love, Keep in mind respect as well, as I do.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Not everything said on here is a one size fits all, But cheers to that brother. I still don't think demon is a proper term though for those we love, Keep in mind respect as well, as I do.

Maybe there is some misunderstanding here. I was using the term demon with its Satanist (positive) connotation, not its mainstream one. Actually, I like the term demon lover better than succubus/incubus, which I view as more related to notions of sexual monsters than lovers.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

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Not everything said on here is a one size fits all, But cheers to that brother. I still don't think demon is a proper term though for those we love, Keep in mind respect as well, as I do.

Maybe there is some misunderstanding here. I was using the term demon with its Satanist (positive) connotation, not its mainstream one. Actually, I like the term demon lover better than succubus/incubus, which I view as more related to notions of sexual monsters than lovers.

She is just trying to provoke and subvert as per her little mind, don't take into account what this individual says. She is deranged and uses a "didn't do nothing" attitude to poke around.

 

[Megistomedes]

She is just trying to provoke and subvert as per her little mind, don't take into account what this individual says. She is deranged and uses a "didn't do nothing" attitude to poke around.

Good thing that you are here. Keep on good regulation.

 

[Sundara]

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Not everything said on here is a one size fits all, But cheers to that brother. I still don't think demon is a proper term though for those we love, Keep in mind respect as well, as I do.

Maybe there is some misunderstanding here. I was using the term demon with its Satanist (positive) connotation, not its mainstream one. Actually, I like the term demon lover better than succubus/incubus, which I view as more related to notions of sexual monsters than lovers.

She is just trying to provoke and subvert as per her little mind, don't take into account what this individual says. She is deranged and uses a "didn't do nothing" attitude to poke around.

No, I just have my own views on this.

 

[Henu the Great]

It's just not always that simple when it comes to having families, but I have a great respect for those in relationships. They can ask about ways around this like blitz said. There's a lot of information about these relationships in many other threads on here. Highly recommend reading them. I wish anyone trying to have a family luck. If someone is in a monogamous relationship and wanting to have a family well, that is extremely personal. No one could really speak on that but the two.

When one is in monogamous relationship there is no "going around" without compromising the relationship. I mean okay, nice try explaining your position out of this. It's totally okay for someone to ask other parties advice for their relationship. It seems you have no good intentions so your input is pretty much null and void.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

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Sundara? What's going on here?

 

[tabby]

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Sundara? What's going on here?

Did her account get taken over or something? This doesn't sound like Sundara from how she's spoken before.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

Did her account get taken over or something? This doesn't sound like Sundara from how she's spoken before.

I think the reality is much worse, unfortunately.

 

[Achatina Prisma]

When someone asks for their account to be deleted, that's an obvious sign that interests have shifted. After the request was denied, she had some time to reflect, and started participating again. Isn't it obvious what that means? As is clear as day here, she decided to continuing to participate while staying true to her own beliefs and opinions, even if others may disagree.

What you see here is the consequence of your actions by encouraging her to stay despite her reasons to want to leave. You got what you asked for, and now she is expressing her own opinions rather than simply going along with the group consensus.

It's a bit ironic for someone who said he believes in flying brooms in a literal sense to call someone deranged, but I can see how a person who is stubborn even about things that are considered basic consensus may be seen as damaging to group unity.

But again, this is what you asked for. Several of you asked her to stick around, and now you can't stand her? How hypocritical.

If I had to guess what made her realise she's a misfit around here, it was probably the consensus about vaccines. If you consider her own circumstances, there are several reasons why she in particular might disagree with some of the things people said.
Well, perhaps this can be a lesson for you, in one way or another.

 

[Sundara]

She is just trying to provoke and subvert as per her little mind, don't take into account what this individual says. She is deranged and uses a "didn't do nothing" attitude to poke around.

No, I just have my own views on this.

Just do us a favor and don't read it in hebrew...

Now run along pest, mordor is calling. Tell them the hurt train is coming.

I did already. Backwards. Mordor has a hot ring to it. And that's exactly where hurt should go.

 

[Bluecollarbutch666]

When someone asks for their account to be deleted, that's an obvious sign that interests have shifted. After the request was denied, she had some time to reflect, and started participating again. Isn't it obvious what that means? As is clear as day here, she decided to continuing to participate while staying true to her own beliefs and opinions, even if others may disagree.

What you see here is the consequence of your actions by encouraging her to stay despite her reasons to want to leave. You got what you asked for, and now she is expressing her own opinions rather than simply going along with the group consensus.

It's a bit ironic for someone who said he believes in flying brooms in a literal sense to call someone deranged, but I can see how a person who is stubborn even about things that are considered basic consensus may be seen as damaging to group unity.

But again, this is what you asked for. Several of you asked her to stick around, and now you can't stand her? How hypocritical.

If I had to guess what made her realise she's a misfit around here, it was probably the consensus about vaccines. If you consider her own circumstances, there are several reasons why she in particular might disagree with some of the things people said.
Well, perhaps this can be a lesson for you, in one way or another.

If I had to guess

Indeed. You obviously did not read my post about information that was exchanged that came from her own words about utter betrayal of JOS. if you did and made this post, you are just trying to stir the pot.

When she announced she was leaving the forums pretty much none of us knew what was taking place or what was going on, until it was revealed in private her ideas and intentions which more of us got word of.

Before butting in maybe make sure you have all the right information about what's going on or at least ask before going around wagging your finger at the actual not hypocrites for calling out a traitor. If you think a traitor should just be excused, and forgiven almost immediately with all forgotten in a day then I say take your ass back to church because this isn't a place for xtian tier copious turn the cheek forgiveness.

If you want to turn the other cheek go back to church.....We are Zevism.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

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I thought the same thing. What exactly are others supposed to teach us about ourselves? We should know ourselves well through our meditations and astrology.

But even worse, they were saying this in reference to demon relationships. So they did not mean connect with others, like one's GD, but to Jordan Peterson, as you mention, who can spin a Mercurial web.

Perhaps a newer person, with limited experience, may not understand the Gods as well, but someone who has 13 (or 14?) years as an Zevism should have a library of good experience.

I have realized that the Gods were always behind me, even from Day 1, even if I didn't recognize it. Despite me unintentionally blocking help, they were always supporting and pushing me along. It is basically impossible to not develop a strong love for them.

 

[Aquarius]

When someone asks for their account to be deleted, that's an obvious sign that interests have shifted. After the request was denied, she had some time to reflect, and started participating again. Isn't it obvious what that means? As is clear as day here, she decided to continuing to participate while staying true to her own beliefs and opinions, even if others may disagree.

What you see here is the consequence of your actions by encouraging her to stay despite her reasons to want to leave. You got what you asked for, and now she is expressing her own opinions rather than simply going along with the group consensus.

It's a bit ironic for someone who said he believes in flying brooms in a literal sense to call someone deranged, but I can see how a person who is stubborn even about things that are considered basic consensus may be seen as damaging to group unity.

But again, this is what you asked for. Several of you asked her to stick around, and now you can't stand her? How hypocritical.

If I had to guess what made her realise she's a misfit around here, it was probably the consensus about vaccines. If you consider her own circumstances, there are several reasons why she in particular might disagree with some of the things people said.
Well, perhaps this can be a lesson for you, in one way or another.

You'd think we care about the opinion of a deranged individual like you.
sundara has thousands of posts, to remove them would take hours of work, nobody cares about satisfying the interests of an individual like sundara.

 

[Flowers of Adonis]

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It seems a bit harsh and unnecessary to go as far as you did. I am unable to see how you were attacked. I also do not see anything mentioned about your use of the word "deranged."

 

[Flowers of Adonis]

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That is between the Demon and them. Please don't speak for Demons.

 

[Achatina Prisma]

I've reflected on the conflict earlier, and concluded the following.

People have often been wrong about all manner of things, and gradually learned from their mistakes and discovered the Truth. I believe that to be a testament to the intelligence, adaptability and creativity of humanity. Therefore, to question what others say is sane, and disagreements are simply a part of the learning process for everyone. However, that is not a valid reason to "attack" others.

To look down on others for being at a different stage of a learning process is naive, as it only distracts oneself from the things one still needs to learn, and results in pointless social friction. In severe cases, it may be more efficient to walk one's own path; but most of the time, it's far more beneficial to focus not on what one knows better than others, but on what one can learn from another.

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Regarding the topic of this thread, different people will give different advice depending on their priority (romance/loyalty vs children). It's a situation where it's necessary to compromise on one matter or the other, and this can lead to potentially heated disagreements.

There are many different kinds of relationships, so as some others have stated, the OP should really discuss this with her partner. What really matters is what's important to her and her partner both. The priorities of other people here are irrelevant.

 

[Aquarius]

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It seems a bit harsh and unnecessary to go as far as you did. I am unable to see how you were attacked. I also do not see anything mentioned about your use of the word "deranged."

She has been speaking in a ill way about JoS and Pythia in private, nothing he said is untrue.

 

[tabby]

I've reflected on the conflict earlier, and concluded the following.

People have often been wrong about all manner of things, and gradually learned from their mistakes and discovered the Truth. I believe that to be a testament to the intelligence, adaptability and creativity of humanity. Therefore, to question what others say is sane, and disagreements are simply a part of the learning process for everyone. However, that is not a valid reason to "attack" others.

To look down on others for being at a different stage of a learning process is naive, as it only distracts oneself from the things one still needs to learn, and results in pointless social friction. In severe cases, it may be more efficient to walk one's own path; but most of the time, it's far more beneficial to focus not on what one knows better than others, but on what one can learn from another.

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Regarding the topic of this thread, different people will give different advice depending on their priority (romance/loyalty vs children). It's a situation where it's necessary to compromise on one matter or the other, and this can lead to potentially heated disagreements.

There are many different kinds of relationships, so as some others have stated, the OP should really discuss this with her partner. What really matters is what's important to her and her partner both. The priorities of other people here are irrelevant.

Personally, I think this is well said and I agree with you here.