How long does your vibration last?

[Demonic]

Just curious about this. How long does your vibrations last?
For me each surya is between 13-14 seconds, raum is 11-12 seconds.

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

It doesn't have to be that long. 6 seconds for each vibration is enough to have good effect.

Lengthening the vibration too much can have the opposite effect of wearing the vibrational effect instead, because the vowels and consonants are dragged out longer than intended.

For the Aums (Raum, Yaum, Maum, etc), HPS Maxine has made audio recordings that are on the JoS. Follow along with them to get an idea on how and how long to vibrate them for.

Hail Satan!

 

[Demonic]

It doesn't have to be that long. 6 seconds for each vibration is enough to have good effect.

Lengthening the vibration too much can have the opposite effect of wearing the vibrational effect instead, because the vowels and consonants are dragged out longer than intended.

For the Aums (Raum, Yaum, Maum, etc), HPS Maxine has made audio recordings that are on the JoS. Follow along with them to get an idea on how and how long to vibrate them for.

Hail Satan!

THAT IS WHY EXACTLY I FEEL OVER 100 vibrations are way too much and get tired easily!!!!
Plus my voicebox feels worn out. Thanks a lot for this brother

 

[HPS Lydia]

I agree with VoE. 6-8 seconds for Surya and Raum, that's how I do it.

As long as you are "in the zone" and feeling it having effect, that's what is needed.

 

[Demonic]

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I agree with VoE.....

It doesn't have to be that long.....

I shortened the vibrations. Did them for 6.5 to 7 seconds on average. Tried it with Gebo x63 which i used to extend for 12-13 secs. I could immediately notice the difference. The energies felt, explosive,like a hammer. Felt better i wasnt tired or rubbed out at all,which i felt a little of while i was extending the vibrations.
Plus saved a lot of time. I can do a lot more now. Glad i asked this question,thanks again.

 

[Stormblood]

There is no one way to do it. With full focus (which is how everything spiritual should be done), it's like this in descending order of power:
:arrow: Long, drawn out vibrations to your full capacity without straining yourself
:arrow: Medium length vibrations
:arrow: Short vibrations
:arrow: Whispers
:arrow: Mental vibrations

Some may not be necessary but unnecessary doesn't mean useless.

High numbers are also not all that matters. 8 fully-drawn out vibrations will always be more powerful than 80 short vibrations and 666 mental vibrations or whispers.

Each number has their specific function. Low numbers are not to be looked down upon. 9, for example, has a very different function compared to its multiples 18, 27, 36, 45, 54, 63, 72, 81, 90, 99,108...111... 144... 216... 333... 666. All different functions. They are not interchangeable, as that's not how mathematics works.

If you get tired easily, you're definitely overdoing it. Remedial action can be either to reduce the number of chants and keep the speed, or keep the number and change the speed. Both are effective. Which course of action is the most effective will depend on your undertaking. What is certain is that, at lower levels, the difference won't matter much.

I see too much emphasis is given on quantity nowadays. There certainly is power in numbers, but there is also power in quality. So you should find the balance of probabilities that is most appropriate to your situation. Personal circumstances are also important, not just the type of working/meditation you are doing.

If you don't understand how quality can affect something, allow me to share an example. If a particular fighter is as strong as 10 fighters, who would you pick to fight? It obviously depends on the situation. In one situation, it may be better to use that fighter. In another situation, you may pick 10 fighters who are worth as 1 as they are more appropriate to the circumstances you are facing. If you need to build the strongest team, you would however build it with fighters that are worth more than 1 fighter.

In Vedic India, warriors had different classes depending on their worth:
:arrow: Rathi, a warrior capable of taking 5000 warriors simultaneously
:arrow: Atirathi, a warrior capable of taking 12 rathi class warriors or 60k warriors simultaneously, and master of all forms of weapons and combat skills
:arrow: Maharathi, a warrior capable of taking 12 atirathi class warriors, 144 rathi class warriors or 720k warriors simultaneously (i.e. Karna, Ravana, Naraka, etc)
:arrow: Atimaharathi, a warrior capable of taking 12 maharathi class warriors or 8.64M warriors simultaneously (i.e. Indrajit, Hanuman, Rama, Krisna, Arjuna, several forms of Siva, and avatars of Visnu)
:arrow: Mahamaharathi, a warrior capable of taking 12 atimaharathi class warriors or 207.36M warriors simultaneously. (i.e. Lord Siva, Visnu, Brahma, Sakti, Ayyappan, Murugan, Vinayagar, Panchmukhi Hanuman)

A more modern example can be comparing various types of weapons. For example, artillery to explosives to rifles, etc. Or how much power has a fRTR done by Lydia, compared to an RTR done by a newbie. Same reps, extremely different quality and output.

There is no clear-cut answer to your question. What's clear is that you were overdoing it.

 

[Demonic]

There is no one way to do it. With full focus (which is how everything spiritual should be done), it's like this in descending order of power:
:arrow: Long, drawn out vibrations to your full capacity without straining yourself
:arrow: Medium length vibrations
:arrow: Short vibrations
:arrow: Whispers
:arrow: Mental vibrations

Some may not be necessary but unnecessary doesn't mean useless.

High numbers are also not all that matters. 8 fully-drawn out vibrations will always be more powerful than 80 short vibrations and 666 mental vibrations or whispers.

Each number has their specific function. Low numbers are not to be looked down upon. 9, for example, has a very different function compared to its multiples 18, 27, 36, 45, 54, 63, 72, 81, 90, 99,108...111... 144... 216... 333... 666. All different functions. They are not interchangeable, as that's not how mathematics works.

If you get tired easily, you're definitely overdoing it. Remedial action can be either to reduce the number of chants and keep the speed, or keep the number and change the speed. Both are effective. Which course of action is the most effective will depend on your undertaking. What is certain is that, at lower levels, the difference won't matter much.

I see too much emphasis is given on quantity nowadays. There certainly is power in numbers, but there is also power in quality. So you should find the balance of probabilities that is most appropriate to your situation. Personal circumstances are also important, not just the type of working/meditation you are doing.

If you don't understand how quality can affect something, allow me to share an example. If a particular fighter is as strong as 10 fighters, who would you pick to fight? It obviously depends on the situation. In one situation, it may be better to use that fighter. In another situation, you may pick 10 fighters who are worth as 1 as they are more appropriate to the circumstances you are facing. If you need to build the strongest team, you would however build it with fighters that are worth more than 1 fighter.

In Vedic India, warriors had different classes depending on their worth:
:arrow: Rathi, a warrior capable of taking 5000 warriors simultaneously
:arrow: Atirathi, a warrior capable of taking 12 rathi class warriors or 60k warriors simultaneously, and master of all forms of weapons and combat skills
:arrow: Maharathi, a warrior capable of taking 12 atirathi class warriors, 144 rathi class warriors or 720k warriors simultaneously (i.e. Karna, Ravana, Naraka, etc)
:arrow: Atimaharathi, a warrior capable of taking 12 maharathi class warriors or 8.64M warriors simultaneously (i.e. Indrajit, Hanuman, Rama, Krisna, Arjuna, several forms of Siva, and avatars of Visnu)
:arrow: Mahamaharathi, a warrior capable of taking 12 atimaharathi class warriors or 207.36M warriors simultaneously. (i.e. Lord Siva, Visnu, Brahma, Sakti, Ayyappan, Murugan, Vinayagar, Panchmukhi Hanuman)

A more modern example can be comparing various types of weapons. For example, artillery to explosives to rifles, etc. Or how much power has a fRTR done by Lydia, compared to an RTR done by a newbie. Same reps, extremely different quality and output.

There is no clear-cut answer to your question. What's clear is that you were overdoing it.

Thanks a lot for this. I agree with straining myself and that was mainly due to overextending vibrations sometimes even for 15-17 seconds for one vibration and not taking proper breaths in between,now 7-8.5 seconds feel good,somewhat long but mainly on medium length side.Also,your "FULL FOCUS" really caught my attention,actually it has caught my attention several times today on reading others posts as well. I loose focus during meds,my mind drifts tho i bring it back asap but i m really feeling the need to work on that part harder,that is increase void. I strongly feel that its a sign from my soul that i came across "full focus" thing that i really need to to step up focus which will drastically increase my quality of meds.
Thanks again for this. <3

 

[HPS Lydia]

Stormblood, you are always awesome at making in-depth and detailed posts

(And thanks for the motivation for me to do my best in RtR's, to live up to your praise!)

 

[Demonic]

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Stormblood, you are always awesome at making in-depth and detailed posts

(And thanks for the motivation for me to do my best in RtR's, to live up to your praise!)

I agree,his posts are such that he revolves around the things which needs to be explained and still explains them very accurately. Though it takes me re reading his posts 2-3 times to fully grasp what he has said,i really appreciate and respect his wisdom and him,as well as yours and you Lydia <3

 

[Stormblood]

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Thanks a lot for this. I agree with straining myself and that was mainly due to overextending vibrations sometimes even for 15-17 seconds for one vibration and not taking proper breaths in between,now 7-8.5 seconds feel good,somewhat long but mainly on medium length side.Also,your "FULL FOCUS" really caught my attention,actually it has caught my attention several times today on reading others posts as well. I loose focus during meds,my mind drifts tho i bring it back asap but i m really feeling the need to work on that part harder,that is increase void. I strongly feel that its a sign from my soul that i came across "full focus" thing that i really need to to step up focus which will drastically increase my quality of meds.
Thanks again for this. <3
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No problem. Focus is very important, and makes the difference. Several short/medium fully-focused vibration will of course be significantly more effective than any number of half-assed drawn-out vibrations, that's for sure.

I hope you don't stress too much about it. You know what to do. Give yourself time to accomplish it at your pace. Cheers!

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Stormblood, you are always awesome at making in-depth and detailed posts

(And thanks for the motivation for me to do my best in RtR's, to live up to your praise!)

Thank you too. And thanks to HP Hooded Cobra for the understanding of how vibration works.

Obviously, as you understand, the levels of warrior excellence have spiritual significance rather than physical one. I forgot to emphasise this. No matter how good one becomes (and people can achieve higher than top athletes if they pair athletic development with spirituality), I doubt anyone is able to best millions or even thousands of NPCs in physical combat.

 

[Demonic]

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I didnt want to make a new post for this. So i am asking it here. I started studying my astrology chart,i had to watch some youtube videos to learn what is what and then study my own and then read the aspects and all on God Azazel’s astrology,turns out Saturn is on 7th house,house of relationships. I have done working for love in past for a specific person,which wasnt a success,i strongly feel this is the very reason. I did everything right,moon phase vibrations,no venus retrograde,no void. Saturn on 7th house is the real reason why my love working isnt a success when i did it on 2 different occasions while rest of the workings ARE BRINGING ME RESULTS IN 12-20 days,isnt it?

 

[HPS Lydia]

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I didnt want to make a new post for this. So i am asking it here. I started studying my astrology chart,i had to watch some youtube videos to learn what is what and then study my own and then read the aspects and all on God Azazel’s astrology,turns out Saturn is on 7th house,house of relationships. I have done working for love in past for a specific person,which wasnt a success,i strongly feel this is the very reason. I did everything right,moon phase vibrations,no venus retrograde,no void. Saturn on 7th house is the real reason why my love working isnt a success when i did it on 2 different occasions while rest of the workings ARE BRINGING ME RESULTS IN 12-20 days,isnt it?

For a specific person, you are going against their fate and free will. Don't do love workings on specific people, do a love working for "the most suitable relationship" or something like that. For moral reasons as well, but most people do not have the power to overcome someone else's fate and free will. Plus, you don't know if this person might actually be not suited for you. The list goes on, I am only briefly writing as this has been discussed so many times over the years.

Now, in regards to your Saturn, you should regardless do a freeing the soul working for love relationships. Most people need to do freeing the soul for their problems before doing workings to get what they want.

 

[Demonic]

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For a specific person, you are going against their fate and free will. Don't do love workings on specific people, do a love working for "the most suitable relationship" or something like that. For moral reasons as well, but most people do not have the power to overcome someone else's fate and free will. Plus, you don't know if this person might actually be not suited for you. The list goes on, I am only briefly writing as this has been discussed so many times over the years.

Now, in regards to your Saturn, you should regardless do a freeing the soul working for love relationships. Most people need to do freeing the soul for their problems before doing workings to get what they want.

I m sorry i didnt briefly exaplin it, this particular person already likes me. And from intuition i strongly feel that its a really compatible person. Its just circumtances are such that we arent able to get to each other. I just dont want to get into details. But what i know for sure is i m not bending anyone's free will in accord to mine. I just wanted to know that if saturn in 7th house causing and making us unable to "get to each other"

 

[Demonic]

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I am going to start your obliterate saturn working this monday when moon is in pisces,with munka for removing influence of it from my 7th house. One more question,if saturn is in 7th house are energies of love workings completely neutralized ? Or are they weakened ? I m sorry but i m completely new to astrology.

 

[Demonic]

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For a specific person, you are going against their fate and free will. Don't do love workings on specific people, do a love working for "the most suitable relationship" or something like that. For moral reasons as well, but most people do not have the power to overcome someone else's fate and free will.....

Also about this, i m totally responsible with the workings and energies. I would never bend someones free will in accord to mine tho i have that spiritual strength but it just doesnt feel right to do something like this.

 

[Demonic]

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Nvm dont reply to my other questions.Its a waste of time for u. I figured it out. It took me a lot of reading and understanding. Its not just my saturn is in 7th house. Its past lives plus my venus squares saturn causing me to have no love life and failed love workings even if i did them for "suitable partner". Just gotta start munka on this monday along with runes to eliminate it and try for a partner.
Thanks lydia. <3

 

[F_For_Flamingo]

Thank you for making this thread and for everyone who replied.

I was using Raum mantra 108 mornings and evenings, vibrating from 1.5-2 seconds. In the last month the cleaning effect felt somewhat weaker. After I read this thread today i have done 36 reps vibrating from 7-8 sec, timewise it is somewhat the same but i felt a much stronger cleaning effect. It is probbably also because doing a longer vibration i focus more.

Thank you again!

Hail Father Satan!
Hail Mother Lillith!
Hail Teacher Biffrons!
Hail Guardian!

 

[HPS Lydia]

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Nvm dont reply to my other questions.Its a waste of time for u. I figured it out. It took me a lot of reading and understanding. Its not just my saturn is in 7th house. Its past lives plus my venus squares saturn causing me to have no love life and failed love workings even if i did them for "suitable partner". Just gotta start munka on this monday along with runes to eliminate it and try for a partner.
Thanks lydia. <3

Ok, I understand the situation now. Yes, those aspects will cause issues even with someone who is interested in you. Definitely do a freeing the soul working. You will likely need to go for 90 days, or do this multiple times.

You can start Munka today (Sunday), Aquarius Moon is great for this

(And btw, this is not wasting my time.)

 

[Demonic]

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Ok, I understand the situation now. Yes, those aspects will cause issues even with someone who is interested in you. Definitely do a freeing the soul working. You will likely need to go for 90 days, or do this multiple times.

You can start Munka today (Sunday), Aquarius Moon is great for this

(And btw, this is not wasting my time.)

Actually i dont have time today, monday moon will be pisces(for my location) is great as well for endings so i will start from tomorrow. Shall i cut empowerment? I do raum for 45 reps on entire soul after cleaning,which isnt much for me i feel like its a gentle empowerment.
But empowering my soul will empower these negative aspect,that is these negative planetary influences ?

 

[Demonic]

Thank you for making this thread and for everyone who replied.

I was using Raum mantra 108 mornings and evenings, vibrating from 1.5-2 seconds. In the last month the cleaning effect felt somewhat weaker. After I read this thread today i have done 36 reps vibrating from 7-8 sec, timewise it is somewhat the same but i felt a much stronger cleaning effect. It is probbably also because doing a longer vibration i focus more.

Thank you again!

Hail Father Satan!
Hail Mother Lillith!
Hail Teacher Biffrons!
Hail Guardian!

DO NOT USE 108. It has been discussed many times on forums. Its number of saturn. If you are doing 108 do 111 instead. If still want to use 108, it MUST be done for 40 days or multiple of it.

1.5 seconds was way too short. Its hard to concentrate on the vibration in that short amount time. Also, remember to loosen up and breathe. Wherever you feel like you are straining or getting muscles tighter you can take a pause for 2-3 breaths,while focusing within you. It helps. Keep up the good work.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Actually i dont have time today, monday moon will be pisces(for my location) is great as well for endings so i will start from tomorrow. Shall i cut empowerment? I do raum for 45 reps on entire soul after cleaning,which isnt much for me i feel like its a gentle empowerment.
But empowering my soul will empower these negative aspect,that is these negative planetary influences ?

Monday is good too

No, empowering your soul will not empower the negative aspect. You are cleaning and freeing, not just empowering, so you will be fine. And it isn't that black-and-white, with empowering the soul resulting in empowering everything bad.

Empowering and advancing raises your bioelectricity levels, which raises you out of the harsh planetary transits. Just look at all the non-SS in the world who do yoga, their lives and health improve despite not doing chakra/aura cleaning.

Empowering a chakra that has a lot of bad karmic seeds will cause bad things to manifest, but not a general empowerment of the soul as you are doing. Raum is a cleaning mantra too, so it is fine.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Thank you for making this thread and for everyone who replied.

I was using Raum mantra 108 mornings and evenings, vibrating from 1.5-2 seconds. In the last month the cleaning effect felt somewhat weaker. After I read this thread today i have done 36 reps vibrating from 7-8 sec, timewise it is somewhat the same but i felt a much stronger cleaning effect. It is probbably also because doing a longer vibration i focus more.

Raum is a solar mantra, so it would be best to use a solar number, such as 111.

 

[Demonic]

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Monday is good too

No, empowering your soul will not empower the negative aspect. You are cleaning and freeing, not just empowering, so you will be fine. And it isn't that black-and-white, with empowering the soul resulting in empowering everything bad.

Empowering and advancing raises your bioelectricity levels, which raises you out of the harsh planetary transits. Just look at all the non-SS in the world who do yoga, their lives and health improve despite not doing chakra/aura cleaning.

Empowering a chakra that has a lot of bad karmic seeds will cause bad things to manifest, but not a general empowerment of the soul as you are doing. Raum is a cleaning mantra too, so it is fine.

Hmm, I feel so.....cheated,i m not angry,disappointed or loosing motivation to do things i just feel so robbed off of all the love and affection i could have had in past year,my energies and efforts i put into my workings of love. I m such a good guy like i havent skipped any day of meds i truly respect and love our Gods. Do rtrs,both yogas,have been nice to everyone on forums as well as irl,never did any negative spells on anyone, i really didnt deserve this.

I worked so hard on myself, i have been dealt a really wrong hand by planets in this aspect. Its going to take a while for it to sink in. It is what is,i guess. On the positive, planets have blessed me with looks and better understanding of things. So i must look on the positives while working on negatives to cheer me up. Its still not late to get what i actually wanted

One last thing i wanted to ask on this, what happened to all the energies i put in past on these love workings, were they cancelled out? or neutralized?
And could they have backfired if i continued without freeing the soul? Like creating situations that would make that partner "go away" in any way?

 

[F_For_Flamingo]

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Hail Brother and Sister!

Thanks alot for your replys.

As i said i stopped doing 108, and I started doing 36 now.

And for doing 111 reps, it would be too much for me at this moment with 7-8 sec vibration, perhaps in a few months i will be able to do it. But i wanted to ask is there a smaller Solar number then 111?

Thanks again and Cheers!

Hail Father Satan!
Hail Mother Lilith!
Hail Teacher Biffrons!
Hail Guardian!

 

[Stormblood]

Thank you for making this thread and for everyone who replied.

I was using Raum mantra 108 mornings and evenings, vibrating from 1.5-2 seconds. In the last month the cleaning effect felt somewhat weaker. After I read this thread today i have done 36 reps vibrating from 7-8 sec, timewise it is somewhat the same but i felt a much stronger cleaning effect. It is probbably also because doing a longer vibration i focus more.

Thank you again!

Hail Father Satan!
Hail Mother Lillith!
Hail Teacher Biffrons!
Hail Guardian!

DO NOT USE 108. It has been discussed many times on forums. Its number of saturn. If you are doing 108 do 111 instead. If still want to use 108, it MUST be done for 40 days or multiple of it.

1.5 seconds was way too short. Its hard to concentrate on the vibration in that short amount time. Also, remember to loosen up and breathe. Wherever you feel like you are straining or getting muscles tighter you can take a pause for 2-3 breaths,while focusing within you. It helps. Keep up the good work.

108 is fine. Many people still use it and have used it with no negative result. Did you read the whole discussion? HP Hooded Cobra clarified as well when it's best to use 108 and when it's best to use 111.

 

[Demonic]

108 is fine. Many people still use it and have used it with no negative result. Did you read the whole discussion? HP Hooded Cobra clarified as well when it's best to use 108 and when it's best to use 111.

From what i recall, i remember reading that 108 is fine if its done for 40 days, or multiple of 40. Not for one time workings or short workings. Also,how this ties with saturn.I am sorry if i m wrong,

 

[Demonic]

Hail Brother and Sister!

Thanks alot for your replys.

As i said i stopped doing 108, and I started doing 36 now.

And for doing 111 reps, it would be too much for me at this moment with 7-8 sec vibration, perhaps in a few months i will be able to do it. But i wanted to ask is there a smaller Solar number then 111?

Thanks again and Cheers!

Hail Father Satan!
Hail Mother Lilith!
Hail Teacher Biffrons!
Hail Guardian!

Your question got blended in,maybe you used "quote" wrong.

Multiple of 10 upto 100 are all solar numbers from what i recall,after that 111 and 666. But 36 is fine as well its multiple of 9 (number of endings/bringing together.)

Advance slowly and consistently.