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[Lushae666]

Ok, I don’t know if I’m tripping but for a while sometimes I see like blue flashes around like if I’m working and all or just looking around I can see a blue flash. when I’m driving I see blue, red & black cars in a row & im thinking is this a sign or am I going crazy? Like it could be there’s a blue and red car going through the round a bout & then I check my rear view and there’s a literal black car behind me. I’ve been through a hell of a lot like spiritually but always find myself coming back to joy of Satan. Like at first I got into angels and my life genuinely crashed but I didn’t realise until I got high & something took me over and made me crash now & I was ok with it thinking it was meant to happen etc! Saw a bright light as well when I crashed exactly how you explained on your page like OBES? I’ve done a lot of drugs when I do I hallucinate, I’ve seen greys as well after coming down & I know I don’t wanna do drugs anymore because I’ve seen some out of it shit. I don’t do it now, steering clear after shit happened. But when I look up Joy of Satan and read the info you have online I feel ok, it’s like idk I’m pulled to dedicate myself & I really want too! But it’s like fear of what’s gonna happen will hit me. Like what if I’m a Yehubor & get killed you know. I’m from New Zealand, Maori/Samoan but not too sure about my history. Sometimes I feel like I had a fucked up past life to do with Christianity but yeah. I’m feeling like dedicating myself is my last hope because the things I think are fucked up sometimes. Like reflecting of my life & then on what you guys have written about angels I’m like that makes sense & my life really fucked up opening to them & it would be like false hope given by them. & everyone has had positive interaction with Satan so I’m just hoping maybe this time round things aren’t gonna fuck up & maybe I found this site for a reason. But just wondering what I can do to start protecting myself as well? Thanks for reading in advance! Also I’ve had a dream when I talked to like a half bird/half man. He was huge, llooked like an Egyptian god & he was like a white hawk? I was wondering if anyone knew what that could be too? But again thanks for your help!

 

[Libra]

Everything you're going through is pretty normal beginning stuff. I came from a New Age background, not with all the angel shit necessarily, but entities like to connect to you because you are an easy target coming from other spiritual backgrounds that believe in the astral. Don't read too much in to somethings, learn to void meditate and other basic meditations, like protecting and cleaning your soul. The 40 day program is very good at getting you into a consistent routine of doing this. I also recommend doing a freeing the soul so you can free yourself from any negative thoughtforms you may have connected to through drug use and angel shit.

The best thing you can do for yourself is practice consistency and develop a routine. I know you've said you quit and realize how harmful they are, but I'm still going to say don't go back to drugs, no matter the situation you find yourself in. If you think what you experienced before you were a Satanist was bad, it's a million times worse, enemy entities will clamor at the chance to take down a dedicated Satanist.

 

[Lushae666]

Thank you so much! I dedicated myself last night but it kinda went sideways as I was in a rush because I have a big family living with me. I wrote everything down, had a shower & then lit the candle signed my name in blood but I forgot to read everything out loud and I burnt the paper but didn’t say so mote it be hail Satan til a while after. I’m not too sure if I’ll need to do it again .. Also the paper didn’t burn completely but I’m hoping that everything worked? It’s weird I feel ok now, no fear as well. But do you think I’ll have to do it again? Or that was enough. Thanks in advance

 

[Shael]

Thank you so much! I dedicated myself last night but it kinda went sideways as I was in a rush because I have a big family living with me. I wrote everything down, had a shower & then lit the candle signed my name in blood but I forgot to read everything out loud and I burnt the paper but didn’t say so mote it be hail Satan til a while after. I’m not too sure if I’ll need to do it again .. Also the paper didn’t burn completely but I’m hoping that everything worked? It’s weird I feel ok now, no fear as well. But do you think I’ll have to do it again? Or that was enough. Thanks in advance

It should be okay. Your intent is what counts, and the fact that you feel better now is a good indicator as well.

If you feel you "need" to do it again to have peace of mind, then you can if you want.

 

[Lushae666]

Thanks so much! I’ve been seeing blue flashes a lot lately even just driving on the open road if I speed I see blue on the speed limit number which is 100km or tonight I was driving & we have road works atm no one was working but I went fast and my car slid a bit so I slowed down I was coming up to more going quite fast and saw a blue flash in front of the 30km sign! I think it’s them looking out for me which is cool! I have yet to meditate and work on myself more which I know I need to do but honestly so grateful at this point in time because I just feel really safe but know it’s up to me to start the process by meditating & making myself more safe. Just a little scared the enemy will try and attack more but I keep talking to something in my mind which I know isn’t father Satan or any guardian they just keep causing me fear so I’m a little scared to meditate in case it comes through

 

[FancyMancy]

Thanks so much! I’ve been seeing blue flashes a lot lately even just driving on the open road if I speed I see blue on the speed limit number which is 100km or tonight I was driving & we have road works atm no one was working but I went fast and my car slid a bit so I slowed down I was coming up to more going quite fast and saw a blue flash in front of the 30km sign! I think it’s them looking out for me which is cool! I have yet to meditate and work on myself more which I know I need to do but honestly so grateful at this point in time because I just feel really safe but know it’s up to me to start the process by meditating & making myself more safe. Just a little scared the enemy will try and attack more but I keep talking to something in my mind which I know isn’t father Satan or any guardian they just keep causing me fear so I’m a little scared to meditate in case it comes through

Seeing blue flashes or blotches/blobs is common. I have experienced it, and others also have. For me, it was a blue blob with a white centre the very first time. After, it was a blue glow around nothing but just there. Also for me it's after doing the working for the Third Eye when it first started. I have also seen little things which appear to be similar to 'floaters' but these look more like they actually are in my field of view, but they still appear there when I close my eyes, and they are like maybe tiny lights or floating thingies, similar to if you have your eyes closed and they open very slightly and a tiny bit of light peaks in. Sometimes if I close my eyes nearly fully (differently to what I just said), I can see things which are similar to 'floaters' (watery eyes, or crying in fact, could help, or just flushing your eyes with water), but these other ones, the tiny bits of light, are there as if I can see them as if they are in front of me, but as I said with my eyes closed fully they are either still there or still appear.

As for the worrying and fear - that's also a common attack, to try and stop you from working. You just have to ignore it. Make sure you don't give it any attention - that is important. They feed on attention, because wherever you think, energy goes, and they need your energy because if your energy goes to them, then it is not going to what you are working on.

To be able to help control your own Mind, you must employ Void meditation daily. It can be just for a couple of minutes, but you should also do a proper Void meditation daily, as well. For example, you can do the proper one as part of your morning and evening sessions (or just one of these, whichever works the best for you), and do mini workings at other times during the day if you need to build it up a bit. There is a bit more to Void meditation, but I won't overwhelm you with it here. You can check my posts for more about it.

 

[Shael]

Wrong

Can I perform the ritual more than once?
Answer:
NO! Satanic rituals are real and binding. The ritual should only be done ONE TIME!

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/SATANIC.html

Are you really that much of a little shit that you are posting smth like this just to try and get to me? Everyone knows about that page. There are a bunch of members who have done the dedication multiple times because they wanted to be certain, and it all worked out fine. This is what I was referencing. It's pathetic that you're actually taking time out of your day just to try and piss people off because you're butthurt.

 

[Jack]

Wrong

Can I perform the ritual more than once?
Answer:
NO! Satanic rituals are real and binding. The ritual should only be done ONE TIME!

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/SATANIC.html

Are you really that much of a little shit that you are posting smth like this just to try and get to me? Everyone knows about that page. There are a bunch of members who have done the dedication multiple times because they wanted to be certain, and it all worked out fine. This is what I was referencing. It's pathetic that you're actually taking time out of your day just to try and piss people off because you're butthurt.

Everyone knows about that page. So why are you giving incorrect advice to this person when you know about this ? And badmouthing me or trying to use personal insults won't change the fact that your deliberately misleading someone based on second hand information. It doesn't matter who did what, its important to follow the advice on the website until the clergy say otherwise. You seem to be pretty irritable when confronted by your mistakes. Rather than trying to be a better person and accept that what you said was wrong, you're using second hand experience to try to override the instructions of the clergy and preaching it as gospel which is very childish of you.
If some randos posted something saying Vibrating Vinasa into yourself is going to clean you(or relay that informationto youin private), and you promote it, are you going to say to a HP, "Oh ,but these members said this and this so your instructions are technically wrong. " During these last weeks I've noticed you be very irritable and argue about stupid things and say stupid things like your saying right now, without using any common sense. Is this the result of something personal that's going on,if your going through a bad transit or if you're being manipulated by someone idk. But you need to reflect on yourself before you preach incorrect advice based on second hand information and defend it when you're called out

 

[Shael]

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It's absolutely hilarious you're calling me irritable while you almost break out into tears every time I reply to you, because "oh I'm being attacked".

The reason this FAQ post was made is to stop people from worrying about their dedication being invalid. The dedication is binding and eternal and as such people shouldn't have to worry about redoing it or anything of that like. This is the point of the post you quoted.

Despite this, doing the ritual twice or more will not invalidate it or make anything bad happen in any way. This is the point here. I said the person can do the dedication again if they feel this to be needed in order to have complete peace of mind. There is nothing harmful that could possibly come from this. The very fact that you tried to accuse me over giving completely harmless advice proves beyond doubt that you only replied in the first place to try and take a stab at me. I wonder why?

 

[Jack]

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It's absolutely hilarious you're calling me irritable while you almost break out into tears every time I reply to you, because "oh I'm being attacked".

The reason this FAQ post was made is to stop people from worrying about their dedication being invalid. The dedication is binding and eternal and as such people shouldn't have to worry about redoing it or anything of that like. This is the point of the post you quoted.

Despite this, doing the ritual twice or more will not invalidate it or make anything bad happen in any way. This is the point here. I said the person can do the dedication again if they feel this to be needed in order to have complete peace of mind. There is nothing harmful that could possibly come from this. The very fact that you tried to accuse me over giving completely harmless advice proves beyond doubt that you only replied in the first place to try and take a stab at me. I wonder why?

It categorically says NOT to do it more than once and your still arguing that it doesn't have any problem. I never said you were giving harmful advice, I said you were giving incorrect and misleading advice. The very fact that I accuse you over this is because your behavior makes me feel that you've not read the main website at all otherwise you wouldn't be giving incorrect advice to other people.

 

[Jack]

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It's absolutely hilarious you're calling me irritable while you almost break out into tears every time I reply to you, because "oh I'm being attacked".

The reason this FAQ post was made is to stop people from worrying about their dedication being invalid. The dedication is binding and eternal and as such people shouldn't have to worry about redoing it or anything of that like. This is the point of the post you quoted.

Despite this, doing the ritual twice or more will not invalidate it or make anything bad happen in any way. This is the point here. I said the person can do the dedication again if they feel this to be needed in order to have complete peace of mind. There is nothing harmful that could possibly come from this. The very fact that you tried to accuse me over giving completely harmless advice proves beyond doubt that you only replied in the first place to try and take a stab at me. I wonder why?

And it starts with a CAPITAL N and O with an EXCLAMATION mark. What do you not understand by (NO!) ? Does it mean "Well no but still do it for your peace of mind" in your universe (or) "Well no but I couldn't care less." ? It means neither of this, it means (NO!),you do not do the dedication more than once and that's final. It doesn't matter what you think about this topic, the website makes it crystal clear.

Your behavior is as follows
1)You give incorrect advice.
2)I prove you wrong by giving direct evidence which categorically denies your advice
3)You argue based on second hand information and try to override the official instructions
4)I show you your wrong and make it clear to you
5)You still argue and call me butthurt.

It's clear that your the one butthurt and you're responses that show emotional behavior dominating your judgment, makes it pretty clear. If you continue to try to use ostensibly stupid rationalizations for your behavior, I'll have no choice but to not engage you because its useless talking to someone who doesn't listen.

 

[Shael]

You have to understand that the Page was wrote some years ago, while it is true, the God's won't hate you or kill you just because you did your dedication two times...i did it two times because i wasnt sure the first time it was good and other reasons and i'm still here advancing...

I did the dedication once astrally and twice physically, because back when I was new I was uncertain too and wanted to be as sure as possible that it worked.

 

[luis]

You have to understand that the Page was wrote some years ago, while it is true, the God's won't hate you or kill you just because you did your dedication two times...i did it two times because i wasnt sure the first time it was good and other reasons and i'm still here advancing...

I did the dedication once astrally and twice physically, because back when I was new I was uncertain too and wanted to be as sure as possible that it worked.

Now if you know that your previous dedication was 100% right then there is really no reasons to do it another time but if like me you remember that the First dedication the Blood was not out then you May do it again. I remember Reading in the old forum that the tiny bit of Blood on the paper was the only important thing in the dedication and so i did it again. Same thing if you dedicated in the Astral it's better when you can to dedicate in the physical. I don't think the God's are going to not accept someone just because they did the dedication two times because of their doubts...I'm here fine and advancing.

 

[Shael]

Now if you know that your previous dedication was 100% right then there is really no reasons to do it another time but if like me you remember that the First dedication the Blood was not out then you May do it again. I remember Reading in the old forum that the tiny bit of Blood on the paper was the only important thing in the dedication and so i did it again. Same thing if you dedicated in the Astral it's better when you can to dedicate in the physical. I don't think the God's are going to not accept someone just because they did the dedication two times because of their doubts...I'm here fine and advancing.

Exactly. It's in itself a good idea to simply tell people their dedication is always valid if they did it with proper intent, because this is how it is.

But some people will still have doubts regardless of this, and the enemy may mess with them trying to make them doubt things. That because they did X or Y wrong it would be invalid (which it isn't). So if doing it a second time will erase all those doubts, I see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

 

[luis]

Now if you know that your previous dedication was 100% right then there is really no reasons to do it another time but if like me you remember that the First dedication the Blood was not out then you May do it again. I remember Reading in the old forum that the tiny bit of Blood on the paper was the only important thing in the dedication and so i did it again. Same thing if you dedicated in the Astral it's better when you can to dedicate in the physical. I don't think the God's are going to not accept someone just because they did the dedication two times because of their doubts...I'm here fine and advancing.

Exactly. It's in itself a good idea to simply tell people their dedication is always valid if they did it with proper intent, because this is how it is.

But some people will still have doubts regardless of this, and the enemy may mess with them trying to make them doubt things. That because they did X or Y wrong it would be invalid (which it isn't). So if doing it a second time will erase all those doubts, I see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

If I did not do it a second time I probably would have gone crazy with doubts and then the enemy would have make them worse, I know this for sure, especially because when I was new to Satanism I was a different person than now.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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Stormblood said the same thing about him, that it's bigger than it looks and he knows why. Whatever it is, it doesn't belong here. If there's a private problem, let it stay private.

But I think you were wrong on this topic. I know what it says, and you're right that that is what it says. But Shael was right this time. It really depends on the person's motivations. If they have a good honest innocent reason to want to do it again, then there is no harm in repeating it. Like if the whole paper didn't burn, or there was some kind of problem, then they can do it again to do it perfect this time. They don't have to do it again, but there is no harm in it.

It also says to read the prayer once right? When I did it, I read the prayer about 100 times, both out loud and in my mind, because I wanted to make sure that they could hear me. Would you say that that is bad too?

We all have a different path because we're different people. It's fine to do it a little different if you aren't doing anything wrong.

 

[Shael]

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I think it's funny to see you of all people trying to play the moral apostle now. A biased party should never try to play the equal ground. Much of what you have stated about me, and even about Jack, is simply not true and clouded by your own perception.

That being said, I do think you have good intentions here just wanting to stop the annoying fighting that has been going on. The reason I brought up the women topic again and again, is because Jack still has not admitted in any way that his views there are wrong. He still firmly believes women who dont have kids as soon as they reach maturity, are race traitors. So when I see these delusions bleed over in his other messages, I speak up and point them out.
I am not "pretending" to be innocent. Saying this basically means you think I am somehow 'guilty' just because I spoke up against someone and pointed out their fallacies.

I am only guilty of two things, those being the use of too harsh language at times, and mainly, wasting my time on these things in the first place. I gladly admit to these two, as retrospectively I think I could have done more useful things if I had just ignored Jack altogether, and I perhaps could have avoided triggering him as much if I had written more politely. In light of this, unless I see him writing something completely outrageous, I will attempt to avoid further triggering Jack through direct or indirect replies. I have more important things to do than to waste my time trying to help someone, just to have them get triggered to no end and clog up the forums with all this bullshit.

And Jack, though I doubt it will suffice to calm you down again, if I hurt your personal feelings then I sincerely apologize.

This is my last reply on the subject.

 

[Jack]

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Stormblood said the same thing about him, that it's bigger than it looks and he knows why. Whatever it is, it doesn't belong here. If there's a private problem, let it stay private.

But I think you were wrong on this topic. I know what it says, and you're right that that is what it says. But Shael was right this time. It really depends on the person's motivations. If they have a good honest innocent reason to want to do it again, then there is no harm in repeating it. Like if the whole paper didn't burn, or there was some kind of problem, then they can do it again to do it perfect this time. They don't have to do it again, but there is no harm in it.

It also says to read the prayer once right? When I did it, I read the prayer about 100 times, both out loud and in my mind, because I wanted to make sure that they could hear me. Would you say that that is bad too?

We all have a different path because we're different people. It's fine to do it a little different if you aren't doing anything wrong.

Well the thing is ,the person in question already signed their name in blood and already burnt the paper. And no,it doesn't depend on how you feel, it categorically says,

Can I perform the ritual more than once?
Answer:
NO! Satanic rituals are real and binding. The ritual should only be done ONE TIME!

https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/SATANIC.html

I don't care if your blinded by your personal experience but when people ask you a question you first give them the information on the official website and not a completely contradictory statement which it categorically denies to do.

 

[Jack]

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I think it's funny to see you of all people trying to play the moral apostle now. A biased party should never try to play the equal ground. Much of what you have stated about me, and even about Jack, is simply not true and clouded by your own perception.

That being said, I do think you have good intentions here just wanting to stop the annoying fighting that has been going on. The reason I brought up the women topic again and again, is because Jack still has not admitted in any way that his views there are wrong. He still firmly believes women who dont have kids as soon as they reach maturity, are race traitors. So when I see these delusions bleed over in his other messages, I speak up and point them out.
I am not "pretending" to be innocent. Saying this basically means you think I am somehow 'guilty' just because I spoke up against someone and pointed out their fallacies.

I am only guilty of two things, those being the use of too harsh language at times, and mainly, wasting my time on these things in the first place. I gladly admit to these two, as retrospectively I think I could have done more useful things if I had just ignored Jack altogether, and I perhaps could have avoided triggering him as much if I had written more politely. In light of this, unless I see him writing something completely outrageous, I will attempt to avoid further triggering Jack through direct or indirect replies. I have more important things to do than to waste my time trying to help someone, just to have them get triggered to no end and clog up the forums with all this bullshit.

And Jack, though I doubt it will suffice to calm you down again, if I hurt your personal feelings then I sincerely apologize.

This is my last reply on the subject.

Either i'm in a parallel universe or im hallucinating or your hallucinating because i've never said this, this is a flat out lie. I can't comprehend how in any of our interactions or in any topic, i have ever implied this. I have never called them race traitors because that assumes they're in control of their behaviour.

I said that women are being manipulated by society(which constitutes both avoidable and unavoidable situations) to wait longer to have children and that Yehuborim were behind this. And this is not wrong in any way whatsoever and you can assume that this is wrong but you give no evidence to the contrary.

I also gave no specifics to how to solve this problem. HPMageson provided his input about a possible compromise how this situation could be solved and i supported it. I've never called anyone who goes against that a race traitor.

There is no fallacy here and there is nothing wrong here.The only problem here is that your misunderstanding what i had said and your clouded in your judgement by emotions that are not yours. I can see you already recovering from the malignant influence that was cast upon you, because you can grasp the complexity of the situation and how you had previously misunderstood it.

I support not talking to the people you normally talk to and allow yourself to meditate on the source of the emotions. They are not yours and they are not your thoughts.

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

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The dedication is valid and you are fine. The ritual can be done more than once if you really want to just for the satisfaction of a more formal or proper ritual if it was kind of messy or rushed the first time around, but the first one is 100% valid and there's no real point of doing another one other than just for perfectionistic satisfaction. The only most important thing is the paper/prayer and the signing of your name in blood, if you can't help other certain factors then that's perfectly okay.

That's all there is to it. This kind of needless bickering needs to be dealt with on more private grounds, we have enough newer members that doubt the sincerity of this path because we have our own people arguing with each other. Grow up.

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

Thanks so much! I’ve been seeing blue flashes a lot lately even just driving on the open road if I speed I see blue on the speed limit number which is 100km or tonight I was driving & we have road works atm no one was working but I went fast and my car slid a bit so I slowed down I was coming up to more going quite fast and saw a blue flash in front of the 30km sign! I think it’s them looking out for me which is cool! I have yet to meditate and work on myself more which I know I need to do but honestly so grateful at this point in time because I just feel really safe but know it’s up to me to start the process by meditating & making myself more safe. Just a little scared the enemy will try and attack more but I keep talking to something in my mind which I know isn’t father Satan or any guardian they just keep causing me fear so I’m a little scared to meditate in case it comes through

These blue flashes are as Fancy state very common. They started when I began work on my third eye for the first time years ago and they've only become even more frequent. It can happen to people who naturally have some power in their third-eye, or in your case have taken hallucinogenics, as these affect the third-eye. I honestly don't have an exact answer as to what the blue flashes are, but I theorize that it could be some sort of 'interference' between your sight of the physical realm and the astral realm, kind of like static on a tv struggling to focus on the transmission to produce a clear picture.

 

[Aquarius]

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The dedication is valid and you are fine. The ritual can be done more than once if you really want to just for the satisfaction of a more formal or proper ritual if it was kind of messy or rushed the first time around, but the first one is 100% valid and there's no real point of doing another one other than just for perfectionistic satisfaction. The only most important thing is the paper/prayer and the signing of your name in blood, if you can't help other certain factors then that's perfectly okay.

That's all there is to it. This kind of needless bickering needs to be dealt with on more private grounds, we have enough newer members that doubt the sincerity of this path because we have our own people arguing with each other. Grow up.

Where did I argue in anyway?. Lol

 

[Jack]

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The dedication is valid and you are fine. The ritual can be done more than once if you really want to just for the satisfaction of a more formal or proper ritual if it was kind of messy or rushed the first time around, but the first one is 100% valid and there's no real point of doing another one other than just for perfectionistic satisfaction. The only most important thing is the paper/prayer and the signing of your name in blood, if you can't help other certain factors then that's perfectly okay.

That's all there is to it. This kind of needless bickering needs to be dealt with on more private grounds, we have enough newer members that doubt the sincerity of this path because we have our own people arguing with each other. Grow up.

Whose quote is this ?

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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I think it's funny to see you of all people trying to play the moral apostle now. A biased party should never try to play the equal ground.

First, I would say that I am not anymore biased than you are in any way, so what does that mean? And what do you mean about me not having any morals? My morals are the thing which created my actions of helping and guiding thousands of people, answering thousands of questions, helping everybody here be stronger and more effective in whatever they do, every single day for years. That's a lot more moral and helpful than almost 8 billion other worthless people in this world are. Just wondering, have you seen anybody else directly helping more people than I have been doing? Through my actions, you have seen what my energies and morals are, and that speaks for itself more than any words.

You think I have no morals because sometimes I have to be strict to try to get someone to listen to reason. Think of it like this, some big thing is about to fall onto someone and crush them and they don't see it, so you run over and push them out of the way, and this pushing them hurts them a little bit. This is something that you call having no morals. "How could you hurt them like that?" Well how much more hurt would they be if I didn't push them out of the way, if I let them be crushed? If I see someone about to make a horrible mistake and hurt themself or someone else, I'm going to try to change their mind and prevent that. If I see someone trying to spread dangerous ideas through society that would hurt people, I'm going to try to change their mind and stop that from happening. Sometimes they don't want to listen, and I gotta be a little more harsh to try to get them to listen. You see this as me being cruel and having no morals, but I see this as me being loving and protective and trying to prevent future damage and pain from happening. If I see someone's trajectory, and I see someone is about to get hurt from it, I'm going to try to prevent it, and I'm going to be as strict as I have to be to try to get them to listen. Do you think I want to be strict like that? I wish I never had to be and people would just listen easily.

Or if I see people trying to spread dangerous and destructive ideas through society, like the idea that it is okay and morally acceptable to be beating your partner within an inch of their life during a sexual encounter, or shitting on their face, or some other horrible thing, as long as they say that they consent to it, I'm going to try to stop that cancer of a destructive idea from spreading. Because I'm trying to protect all the future victims that would be hurt by those actions if those actions were more common, and considered as acceptable. I see the people trying to promote violence as protecting and promoting the violent criminals, and I see people trying to stop it as protecting and preventing the victims from being hurt by this violence. If you make an act considered more acceptable, that increases the amount that that act is done. So of course I try to prevent all those horrible violent destructive actions from being thought of as acceptable, because nobody should be a victim of those crimes and they shouldn't be happening. And I don't want this acceptance of violent actions to spread in society and become common or acceptable. Would you blame the cancer surgeon for making an incision to cut out the cancer, or would you thank him for trying to save the rest of the body?

If somebody wants to do some disgusting damaging action which harms themself or harms someone else, as a symptom of their sick soul, I'm going to explain exactly why and how that action is damaging, and I'm going to explain the condition of their soul that makes them want to do that action to begin with, and I'm going to suggest them to fix themself and remove the problem. If you think this is cruel or not moral, then I think you are being absolutely ridiculous. Isn't the entire point of being a Satanist to fix all of your problems and make yourself more healthy? But I have no morals because I tell people what their problem is and suggest them how to fix it...

You think that me suggesting someone to fix themself and clean out their soul so they would stop trying to do actions which harm themself or someone else, you seem to think that this is the same thing as me personally putting blockages and harm onto that person's 2nd chakra. That's what you said before. And you think that I am personally putting blockages into their soul and making them be less creative. How? If I'm directly telling them what the cause of their problem is, and telling them to fix that problem, if anything it's helping them to remove that garbage out of their soul and helping them to make their 2nd chakra cleaner. Or would you prefer for that person to retain that garbage inside of themself? I identify the cause of their problem and tell them how to fix it, and if you think I'm making them become less creative by me doing this, then you are ridiculous. I'd rather have them be a little bit less creative and stop harming themself, than for them to be very creative at thinking up even more ways to hurt themself or others. Who has better morals, the person who explains to someone their problem and tells them how to fix it, or the nihilist who ignores the problem and would prefer for them to keep all that garbage inside themself?

Shael, I have a lot of respect for you. You're one of my favorite people here. Remember that time I told you you're the best? I don't know if I ever said that to anyone else here. But I think you have changed in the last couple months, and you've been acting very different from how you were before. You do seem like you're more clouded and mixed up, something seems off. From what I've seen, it looks like others could be right about you having some situation where there is some kind of influence on your soul clouding and manipulating you, and I really hope you can fix it. And I hope you would tell me if it looked like I changed and if there was something dragging me down.

 

[luis]

All of those things came with a clarification and official notification. If you have a source of an HP saying that redoing the dedication more than once for your peace of mind is ok then all you have to do is quote that source but yet none of the people on this topic have given any kind of sources about their understanding of this subject. When it says clearly (NO! And ONLY ONCE), to do the complete opposite I'd need a source. Even an HP coming on this topic and clarifying the subject would be fine but until you give me a source or a clarification, I can't advice people to do something diametrically opposite to what the official clergy say .

Here a quote from here: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13577&p=53764&hilit=Dedication#p53764

You can redo it, but not because it didn't work (it doesn't matter under which circumstances it's done, it works), but if you cannot sleep at night then go for it.

This means that it's not compleatily impossible to do it again. In my opinion only if the Blood was not on the paper and if you did it on the astral Temple you need to re-do it. Anything else it doesn't matter at all.

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

The dedication is valid and you are fine. The ritual can be done more than once if you really want to just for the satisfaction of a more formal or proper ritual if it was kind of messy or rushed the first time around, but the first one is 100% valid and there's no real point of doing another one other than just for perfectionistic satisfaction. The only most important thing is the paper/prayer and the signing of your name in blood, if you can't help other certain factors then that's perfectly okay.

That's all there is to it. This kind of needless bickering needs to be dealt with on more private grounds, we have enough newer members that doubt the sincerity of this path because we have our own people arguing with each other. Grow up.

Whose quote is this ?

Mine from another thread so I'm just repeating myself.

 

[Jack]

All of those things came with a clarification and official notification. If you have a source of an HP saying that redoing the dedication more than once for your peace of mind is ok then all you have to do is quote that source but yet none of the people on this topic have given any kind of sources about their understanding of this subject. When it says clearly (NO! And ONLY ONCE), to do the complete opposite I'd need a source. Even an HP coming on this topic and clarifying the subject would be fine but until you give me a source or a clarification, I can't advice people to do something diametrically opposite to what the official clergy say .

Here a quote from here: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13577&p=53764&hilit=Dedication#p53764

You can redo it, but not because it didn't work (it doesn't matter under which circumstances it's done, it works), but if you cannot sleep at night then go for it.

This means that it's not compleatily impossible to do it again. In my opinion only if the Blood was not on the paper and if you did it on the astral Temple you need to re-do it. Anything else it doesn't matter at all.

Thnx