Franz Bardon

[Stormblood]

The only good book by him is Introduction to Hermetics. The others have never been suggested

 

[shubhamrane666]

That is because Franz himself stole many of his occult information from German Satanic Lodges. Bradon wanted to make money and career out of all that. HP Maxine and guys on JoS HP's seem to have mentioned this in past about ignoring the bullshit in Brradon's works. Many occult and such authors have to add anti Nazi stuff or pro Yehubor stuff which may contradict for sake of getting their books in mainstream. Tho in Bradon's case it is more likely he made money out of stolen stuff.

 

[Dypet Rod]

Referencing a published book does not immediately mean promoting the author. Here's a disclaimer mentioned in many pages on the Joy of Satan itself:

*Note: Bardon's works are easily available in pdf online. Bardon stole his knowledge from a German Satanist known as "Wilhelm Quintischer." Quintischer's writings are not readily available. New Agers who act as 'holier than thou' neglect to mention this or give credit to where it is due.

 

[loki88]

The only good book by him is Introduction to Hermetics. The others have never been suggested

maxine suggested frabato in her collection of writings

 

[loki88]

That is because Franz himself stole many of his occult information from German Satanic Lodges. Bradon wanted to make money and career out of all that. HP Maxine and guys on JoS HP's seem to have mentioned this in past about ignoring the bullshit in Brradon's works. Many occult and such authors have to add anti Nazi stuff or pro Yehubor stuff which may contradict for sake of getting their books in mainstream. Tho in Bradon's case it is more likely he made money out of stolen stuff.

Thanks for that. I need to get a library of TRUSTWORTHY works so I don't get sidetracked into 'false doctrine'. I might not be able to have net access and my JOS printouts might be confiscated by the cops

 

[Shael]

Yes, the Yehubor here who posted that his grandparents were Yehuborim, on his own, is in yet a 3rd account coming to slander "us" of being what it itself is.

Because as we know every person who raises the lid on the Yehubor is a Yehubor, we know the deal. Alright Yehubor, now go do 20 RTR's and enjoy your Yehuborim soul getting blown to bits. It's gonna be great for you. Do it millions of times.

Just for reference in case anybody is confused, there was one guy here previously in this thread posting about how HC and Mageson are so Yehuborim for banning him on his previous account.

 

[Stormblood]

Yes, the Yehubor here who posted that his grandparents were Yehuborim, on his own, is in yet a 3rd account coming to slander "us" of being what it itself is.

Because as we know every person who raises the lid on the Yehubor is a Yehubor, we know the deal. Alright Yehubor, now go do 20 RTR's and enjoy your Yehuborim soul getting blown to bits. It's gonna be great for you. Do it millions of times.

Not 666 times?

 

[JoS Forum Contributions]

Bardon was a member of several groups one of them was a small Satanic group that was run by an actual member of a Satanic lodge. The knowledge that Bardon put into Hermetic's was taken from that group. I wrote an article of this its in the archives.
https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=18139

Here we come to Quintscher and the truth about the Satanist 99 Lodge that Hitler was stated to be a member of this Lodge. The 99 Lodge was a Templar Lodge from its description, Sattler was probably a member. Its known Qunitscher was a member of the Lodge and the two where close and it was Quintscher who was trained by Sattler as his teacher which would make Sattler a member:

"Another active member of the Dr. Musallam's groups was Fredrich Wilhelm Quintscher. A student of Quinstscher is said to have been the Czech-German author and stage magician Frantisek [Franz] Bardon. He worked as a stage magician from the mid-1920's under the name Frabato. He came into contact with Quintscher and by all accounts became a member of his Adonistic circle. There he was known as Master Arion."

These is where Franz Bardon got the information from "Introduction Into Hermetic's" from the Satanist organization that Quintscher lead and was part of Sattler's group and Bardon was a member of. The strange book Frabato was not written by Bardon but by a fan and women who worked as the secretary for his shows. Bardon read the manuscript and was disgusted by it and forbade her from publishing it as its total nonsense and strange fan fiction. Bardon and Quintscher also where never in a German prisoner camp either this is more nonsense. Bardon was not in the 99 Lodge however he was in Quintscher's personal sub order of Sattler's group.

However the FOCG, the 99 Lodge where the hundredth member was the Demon leader and 99 of the rest where Satanic, human initiates. This is the Satanist Lodge mentioned in Frabato that it was stated Hitler was a member of, it did exist from the writings of Quintscher himself, who was part of this group. But the claims of it in Frabato are established to have been made up libelistic nonsense. The fact the members of the FOCG where also in the Thule Society and Vril Society and the Satanist Society of Sattler. These people where high ranking initiates. They were all connected in the FOCG most likely and these where the speciality groups that operated as part of such Satanist network. Astaroth was the patron Goddess of Vril and one of the high ranking Demon's of the FOCG. The Vril group was the speciality society of mediums out of the FOCG most likely, like the Thule Society was the political wing.

 

[loki88]

"Wilhelm Quintischer"
Do you have any information on this person or any legitimate occultists from the fin de ciecle and 3rd Reich era? I wan to ensure I don't stumble down a blind ally or recommend anything kosher to thers.

 

[loki88]

Here is something interesting about Quintischer(according to the source below):
https://www.hermeticleague.com/bible-of-adonis

 

[Alek666]

The only good book by him is Introduction to Hermetics. The others have never been suggested

The others were suggested as well also,
infact all of them in the old jos pdf are recommended actually.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I just like replied in general. All the time the Yehuborim use the line of dindu nuffin. One just needs to go to the related threads where one Yehubor whitewashes the other.

Most of the time why there are even replies are merely for educational reasons, so that others also just see what's up. This is necessary as people may have to deal with the same in other areas of their life, future etc.

I know. I just replied so to affirm people that this sort of situations happen all the time.

 

[Braun666]

The only good book by him is Introduction to Hermetics. The others have never been suggested

The others were suggested as well also,
infact all of them in the old jos pdf are recommended actually.

I recall HPS Maxine gave a disclaimer with all the books she referred. Even the Franz Bardon books had a disclaimer and warnings of disinfo and that they should only be read to gain more insights into Franz Bardon and by no means doctrines.

Not directed at you guys but just as general statement...

It seems that the over generalizing that if a book is referred it should be taken as a bible or something. Like it’s just a reference read through Satanic eyes. Disclaimers and warnings to read things through Satanic lenses are always given and by no means are we obliged to abide by books or read them for that matter.

As Satanist we sift through the bullshit and dross of books and get only whatever golden nuggets are found therein, under the guidance of the Gods.

And also as has been repeatedly, (paraphrasing here), Satan leads to the straight path without a chosen book. This doesn’t discount studying though, as with telepathic guidance there needs to be a connection in the mind to facilitate proper guidance, corrections and communication of important matters. But of course sources are HEAVILY corrupted in varying degrees, this is unavoidable at this point thanks to Yehuborim authors and publishers that have dominated this industry of books of an occult nature and in general. Making all studying endeavours extremely strenuous and near impossible to get rewarded without having the guidance of the Gods to succeed at this feat. Scarce are those sources which have lengthy pages of truth.

These isolated accusations and focuses only serve to divide. I would encourage people to ponder just how hard and how much studying HPS Maxine had to do to have Satan reveal to her this truth we have in front of us which. I do hope that some can have the maturity to understand this and open their eyes on the reality of this situation.

 

[Braun666]

Perhaps JOS is a front for the Yehuborim and they are pushing their agenda? Opinions are welcome

Please read my other reply when it gets approved. There is a serious lack of respect in this question.

 

[loki88]

Perhaps JOS is a front for the Yehuborim and they are pushing their agenda? Opinions are welcome

Please read my other reply when it gets approved. There is a serious lack of respect in this question.

I can understand what you mean but I like to apply whatever degree of critical thought I can bring to bear in my search for truth. The more I wade through this movement the more critical I become as so much of it is infiltrated or controlled opposition. I look upon JOS as quite credible and probably the Truth. Sometimes the only way to elicit a response is to rattle people's chains

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Feel free to elicit or ask any questions, HP Mageson has been answering you indepth so did other members and people here.

Just don't attack others or blatantly disrespect as people will normally react to this and to you, too. And about this there is nothing we can do for example.

You're free to draw your own conclusions.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Perhaps JOS is a front for the Yehuborim and they are pushing their agenda? Opinions are welcome

Please read my other reply when it gets approved. There is a serious lack of respect in this question.

I can understand what you mean but I like to apply whatever degree of critical thought I can bring to bear in my search for truth. The more I wade through this movement the more critical I become as so much of it is infiltrated or controlled opposition. I look upon JOS as quite credible and probably the Truth. Sometimes the only way to elicit a response is to rattle people's chains

By movement, I presume you mean the movements which tend to be pro White or racially aware, and yes, that's a good stance to keep.

 

[FancyMancy]

These accusations that JoS would be a front for Yehuborim is quite an appalling statement which those who have been here for a while would definitely know. Where is this bold statement coming from, I wonder? Some referenced book about an occultist which was given a disclaimer that there's some disinfo and that it should be taken with a grain of salt? A book referenced 13 YEARS AGO, while as we know, the JoS ministries are still working to correct information, with our Gods and there are updates on certain meditations that have been made through the years. Where's the logic?

Some need us to be 100 000% correct, and if there is 0.0000000000001% which is incorrect, inaccurate or which we just don't know, then they'd take that as to mean that we're wrong entirely. It's just like "sinless" people being admitted to "heaven" - you have to be spotless. Like they have all of the answers immediately.