Due to the rise in anti-abortion laws, women are answering with sterilisation

[Soul Wings]

Recently there have been several countries/states threatening to outlaw legal abortion. There have always been attacks on this politically but they are starting to break through. This is another human rights issue we are facing as a people. Women believe if they are to succeed in passing these laws; they will come for our birth control next and prevent sterilisation appointments for those without children. I, for one, believe them. And they will not stop with just us women.

Senate Bill 8 - the ban in Texas (from planned parenthood):

"The harmful law is sometimes referred to as Senate Bill 8 (S.B. 8).

S.B. 8 bans abortion at around six weeks of pregnancy — before many people even know they’re pregnant.

S.B. 8 allows people across the country to sue anyone who helps someone get an abortion after six weeks in Texas — including doctors, partners, friends, family members, or abortion fund volunteers.

S.B. 8 offers a $10,000 minimum reward for every successful lawsuit.

S.B. 8 is the harshest, most extreme abortion restriction in the country; and it's the first 6-week ban that has been allowed to take effect."

Roe v. Wade (protection for abortion rights) is being threatened to be overturned:

"Trump promised to only nominate justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. His Supreme Court appointees — Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett — all have records hostile to reproductive health and rights.

Adverse rulings in any of these could limit our access to safe, legal abortion for decades. Roe could be overturned or weakened, eliminating what little access to abortion is left for many people in the United States.

If Roe v. Wade is overturned or further eroded, one-third of all women of reproductive age in America could lose the ability to access abortion in their state."

This can lead to children living uninvested, uneducated lives, and do you think living feeling like you are a burden to your mother is healthy for any human being?

Due to this, women will be in needless debt, have a lack of education, terrible mental health situations, leaving relationships, hospitalised; sick or dying just to name a few things. "Giving away children" has the same result here. As an answer women are booking in appointments straight away to be sterilised en masse. Do you see the issues here?

Now like me you are probably wondering, if something as fucked up as this is seriously being considered in politics, what the fuck do we do?

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too. Having you on our side is a huge win for us women and is a huge step in the right direction. If you're already on board, thank you.

To make people aware is the first huge thing - tell a friend, tell a family member. Start a civil discussion and change/open some minds.
If you can protest safely in your country if/when it happens, protest. Send letters, call numbers, sign signatures, find out what you can do. Literally anything is better than nothing. Planned Parenthood has methods of protest linked at the bottom of the page. Also here.
And lastly, if you can, please keep watch on all of this because this is a continual fight we have not won yet. I hope my point of how important this is, is taken seriously. I can only hope. We have to get through this together. We cannot let this happen.

 

[Jack]

Stop sending millions of dollars to israel and the United Nations and NATO and start investing in raising those unwanted children.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Roe v. Wade needs to be protected. Abortion is very loosely connected to this, but the actual case and ruling is not about abortion at all. It is about medical privacy, and it is to say that nobody has the right to demand access to your personal medical history.

 

[Soul Wings]

What a shitty piece of leftist propaganda that was just allowed here. If women don’t want to have kids then there is birth control and many other things to mitigate it. I don’t have a problem with abortion in America because it keeps the non-white population levels from exploding. Everywhere else it should be allowed only if the fetus is disabled or some other eugenic purpose. You just came here like Mageson to proclaim social Marxism except atleast he was subtle about it.

Thanks for the low quality first post for everybody to see. Really great start to this civil discussion I was hoping to have. Whether you believe me or not, all birth control will be under threat for both sexes if we allow this assault on human rights to continue. You think they will truly just stop at abortion? If you don't see how these things are an issue then I don't know what to tell you. I really should have elaborated on this point more. This is why we cannot let it happen. It's bigger than "are you anti-abortion or not" or "why do women abort" etc.

 

[Aquarius]

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too.

What about the human rights of the child you are murdering? I'm sure he would have loved to live a long, fulfilling, productive life.

And what part is personal responsibility related to this? Or that does not matter? Anybody can buy condoms for just a few cents each, and condoms are given out for free in many places. There is no excuse.

Not an objective argument. A fetus before a few months time has no consciousness. I agree with you about the promiscuity part, but you can't ban abortions of fetuses that are less than 5-4 months old, Lilith supports abortion for women, and so did figure of the past in Nazi Germany although not recommended for White women.
So, whores or not, women have to be able to get abortions, it's either that or they will get clandestine abortions(dangerous), give birth and not give the necessary attention to the kid, or abbandon the kid in a foster home.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

In germany a wommen can abort if the child is up to 3 month old, up to 6 month if I remember right is only ok in case of rape, health problem for the mother, or psychological problems. Anyone killing/abort after this time a baby is going to jail.
The unborn child has rights, is defined as a living person after the 6 month.

This is how most of the countries in the world do it. I think I would agree with this rule, I think it is fair.
Other than America, there are only 6 other countries that are so extremely loose in how old they will allow to be aborted. There are 5 countries in Asia, Netherlands, and USA. And the hundreds of other countries in the world all agree that it is wrong.

But the biggest problem would be to change people's perspective to stop thinking that abortion is the same thing as a condom. There are charities that will send you condoms in the mail for free, but somehow that is too difficult and even $0 is too much money for a condom. But an abortion that costs thousands of dollars is easier and is not too expensive?

 

[Fuchs]

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too.

What about the human rights of the child you are murdering? I'm sure he would have loved to live a long, fulfilling, productive life.

And what part is personal responsibility related to this? Or that does not matter? Anybody can buy condoms for just a few cents each, and condoms are given out for free in many places. There is no excuse.

A condom can burst-> condom + anti baby pill is adviced.
A wommen can get sick, puke, etc, anti baby pill effect is gone. Some medicine does work against it also.

Better have 2 layers of protection.

There is also the option of copper implants, who do kill the sperms. Last like half a jear.

I do not know, which is less harmfull for the body, copper or anti baby pill hormones.


In case you did not read:

In germany a wommen can abort if the child is up to 3 month old, up to 6 month if I remember right is only ok in case of rape, health problem for the mother, or psychological problems. Anyone killing/abort after this time a baby is going to jail.
The unborn child has rights, is defined as a living person after the 6 month.

 

[Jack]

Roe v. Wade needs to be protected. Abortion is very loosely connected to this, but the actual case and ruling is not about abortion at all. It is about medical privacy, and it is to say that nobody has the right to demand access to your personal medical history.

Roe V Wade was a scam. The entire ruling is false because the child in that case was never aborted and recently came out.

 

[Fuchs]

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A girl I was with for years, and had unprotected sex with for an equally long time (I had strong pullout game), took it one day when I accidentally came inside and we weren't sure if she'd get pregnant from it and we didn't want to risk it as we were in no position to have kids yet.

There is no thing as safe pull out game, there is something called:

Pleasure/lust drop.

It does flow out even before you come, can pregnage a wommen. You were extremly lucky or you/ or your girlfriend has/had reproduction problems.

I agree a morning after pill is preferred over abortion, since it occurs immediately after, however it cannot be called safe in my opinion, as the pill is extremely invasive and very harmful to the body as a whole to take.

A girl I was with for years, and had unprotected sex with for an equally long time (I had strong pullout game), took it one day when I accidentally came inside and we weren't sure if she'd get pregnant from it and we didn't want to risk it as we were in no position to have kids yet.

The effect was absolutely awful on her. Basically the worst menstrual pains imaginable. She was completely incapacitated for the whole day, and I'm so much pain she could only groan while laying cramped up on the bed.

It was absolutely awful.

In my opinion, an actual abortion is likely less invasive and less risky or damaging than something like this.

I did once meet a girl who were falsely given a vaccine instead of anti báby pill injection (lasts like 3 months), she got pregnant had to abort, she did tell me she still thinks to the this day about the baby and if it was the right decision to do.

You can´t say a abortion is less harmfull, then taking the morning after pill.


On a side note if a girl takes the anti baby pill, she should choose the one were she still has her period once in a month.
On this way she knows if she is pregnant and it is much more healthy then not having a period like half a jear, some have by taking the pill without period break.

 

[Soul Wings]

Thank you. I have not had the courage to mention Lilith so far, despite wanting to. I do not know why.
I did not know figure of the past had these views. This is fascinating news.

 

[Aquarius]

orphanage or whatever, those children are at a disadvantage.

Fostar child was a result of that, we don't need that :lol:

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

...

Lydia, as a very wise and Satanic woman, what is your opinion on various kinds of birth control available for woman?

Things like anticonception pill, IUD, implant variant, and whatever?

I've spoken to different woman about this, and many have said they had negative experiences with most that they tried.

I don't know much about it, aside from the fact that the pill and implant variant can have long term side effects and can mess with the hormones in a harmful way, though I don't know how serious the detriment can really be.

I'd be interested in your opinion and understanding of this, if you want to share anything.

 

[Rational Satanist]

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too. Having you on our side is a huge win for us women and is a huge step in the right direction. If you're already on board, thank you.

Do you support financial abortions (Legal Paternal Surrender) for men too? If not, I have zero reasons to be interested. It's pretty hypocritical to demand that women have abortions for no serious reasons while forcing a man who is tricked/baby trapped/spermjacked to pay child support for a child that he didn't want to have or else go to jail. There are zero states/countries that support LPS yet I haven't seen anyone complain about that and work to change it. I'll tell you what: i'll care about abortion only if pro-abortion activists work to change the laws to establish LPS for ment in addition to abortion for women. Otherwise they are hypocrites.

If you reply to this "stop being a manbaby and use a condom" then it's fair to reply "stop being a womanbaby and use birth control" whenever a woman complains about abortion. If you bring up "the rights of the child" in response to this, why do the rights of the child not matter in the case of abortion?

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

If you bring up "the rights of the child" in response to this, why do the rights of the child not matter in the case of abortion?

They do not matter in case of timely abortion, because there is no child to give any rights to at that point.

I have mentioned multiple times in this post, and it has been explained by HP Zevios as well on the subject, the child isn't yet a living human being with an incarnated soul at the early stages of pregnancy (up to 3-4 months).

Thus there is no rights to be considered, since nothing has fully manifested yet. There is no consciousness, and if it is aborted at that stage, no soul is harmed since no soul has attached to the body yet or fully manifested to where it can be considered an incarnated human being.

Therefore, it is not yet a child, and not requiring of any rights, as it doesn't exist in a state where rights have any relevance or meaning to it.

Only after the soul attaches and incarnated into the body (which behinds to take place around 4 months of pregnancy, and is fully complete at 5 months of pregnancy), is the fetus a fully fledged incarnated soul and the small fetus has a semblance of consciousness as well.

It is at this point where anything like abortion is harmful to the soul that incarnated into the growing fetus, as aborting it would kill the body which the soul has connected to.

At that point the rights of the unborn child are to be considered, though even then, the connection is relatively loose until after 6 months, and a soul can detach successfully without too much harm done if something happens to the fetus (accident, abortion, what have you).

In case of a rape victim going for a late abortion, it can therefore be argued that up to 6 months may be acceptable, though definitely not good by any means for the unborn child.

Hail Satan!

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

...

Lydia, as a very wise and Satanic woman, what is your opinion on various kinds of birth control available for woman?

Things like anticonception pill, IUD, implant variant, and whatever?

I've spoken to different woman about this, and many have said they had negative experiences with most that they tried.

I don't know much about it, aside from the fact that the pill and implant variant can have long term side effects and can mess with the hormones in a harmful way, though I don't know how serious the detriment can really be.

I'd be interested in your opinion and understanding of this, if you want to share anything.

I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

Something to keep in mind though, if people had better communication and relationship skills and weren't so brainwashed, then most people would be getting married and having families in their 20's, instead of still in the 30's looking for abortions because they got impregnated from a random drunken hookup.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

One of the leading arguments against abortion is that it is killing an unborn child. A fetus, in the first few months, is not a child, there is no soul in it, not until around 5 months and later. As Voice of Enki has explained, and HP Zevios has also mentioned previously.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

Something to keep in mind though, if people had better communication and relationship skills and weren't so brainwashed, then most people would be getting married and having families in their 20's, instead of still in the 30's looking for abortions because they got impregnated from a random drunken hookup.

Thank you for your reply.

The point you made at the end is indeed also very important.


As for natural methods, this may not be applicable to all people, as it requires significant mind power, but I had the thought conception can be prevented by having it in mind strongly that one does not want to conceive with whomever they have sex with in cases where they do not want to conceive with a partner, in combination with ejaculating outside.

The mind itself directing the causality away from any causal outcomes where conception occurs after sex.

Or have it in mind that conception fails even if the conditions would make it happen (let it be expelled or removed by the body similar to a morning after pill, but naturally as it happens in cases of a failed conception, without any of the side effects an invasive pill has on the body), in cases where you do not want it to occur.

I also had the thought that one can estimate the probability of conception in case one has unprotected sex, ahead of time, and decide accordingly what to do. Then with enough mind power, the causal outcome can be directed away from conception.

The inverse also being applicable in case one wants to conceive, to allow one full control over when or if one wants to conceive or not, and if one wants, to let it occur as one desires.


Since the way souls merge during intercourse and at the moment of conception plays such a huge role in successfully conceiving, I had the feeling that one with great mind power and spiritual understanding can have significant or even full control over this process, allowing one among other things to have sex without need for physical anti-conception methods or worry of any kind related to this.

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

...

I meant that more from the perspective of someone who wants to have sex to satisfy this need, but who for various reasons doesn't want to have children yet.

For someone who is looking to have fulfilling sex without any strings attached.

There can be reasons one may want this, and in these cases, if one has the spiritual capability, this method can be applicable.

As for conflicting interests, what the lesser, unspiritual person wants or feels is insignificant, and brushed aside effortlessly. The one with power is the one in control here (real power, not imaginary domination).


Between advanced people, there are many other considerations to make here, and this method may either be ignored or be even more effective if both are on the same page.

If there are conflicting interests, the advanced people will not get together and have sex in the first place, as there is no reason to get in each other's way.

Relationships between advanced people are easy, as both understand each other and there is deep wisdom.

Things like this are trivial worries that are easily resolved between them, and the perspective they have on these things is also infinitely more expansive than the average person, so it doesn't really apply here.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

Something to keep in mind though, if people had better communication and relationship skills and weren't so brainwashed, then most people would be getting married and having families in their 20's, instead of still in the 30's looking for abortions because they got impregnated from a random drunken hookup.

Thank you for your reply.

The point you made at the end is indeed also very important.


As for natural methods, this may not be applicable to all people, as it requires significant mind power, but I had the thought conception can be prevented by having it in mind strongly that one does not want to conceive with whomever they have sex with in cases where they do not want to conceive with a partner, in combination with ejaculating outside.

The mind itself directing the causality away from any causal outcomes where conception occurs after sex.

Or have it in mind that conception fails even if the conditions would make it happen (let it be expelled or removed by the body similar to a morning after pill, but naturally as it happens in cases of a failed conception, without any of the side effects an invasive pill has on the body), in cases where you do not want it to occur.

I also had the thought that one can estimate the probability of conception in case one has unprotected sex, ahead of time, and decide accordingly what to do. Then with enough mind power, the causal outcome can be directed away from conception.

The inverse also being applicable in case one wants to conceive, to allow one full control over when or if one wants to conceive or not, and if one wants, to let it occur as one desires.


Since the way souls merge during intercourse and at the moment of conception plays such a huge role in successfully conceiving, I had the feeling that one with great mind power and spiritual understanding can have significant or even full control over this process, allowing one among other things to have sex without need for physical anti-conception methods or worry of any kind related to this.

I agree, plus with advanced psychic abilities, pregnancy wouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that advanced beings can prevent pregnancy until planned, leaving sex to be fully enjoyable without the stress of "what if".

 

[Soul Wings]

Please forgive me for the inconvenience as I'm going to be replying to many posts in one, so I don't bump the thread too much and mostly new opinions and perspectives hopefully come chime in. If I skipped anyone, it is because I attempted but had nothing much to say about your post I haven't already mentioned here.

If you take the pill and morning after pill it can also cause excess estrogen production so it's best used only if needed.
Generally, a lot of people don't know that the pill is not actually 99% effective with typical use. It is actually more like 91% in actuality. This is why condom use is important, but not everyone can use those safely and 100% foolproof either.

Your post is great. It kind of goes over a lot of what I was trying to say (not very well). Yes, people need to start taking responsibility, but "forcing" women to do anything just won't work. We need to start by finding out why these extreme circumstances happen in the first place. There are things that are not so obvious, like "condoms ruin my sensation", "allergic to condoms", "pills make me gain weight" and such. We could be putting funding into finding more effective birth control, or combatting bad side effects and such things. But for this to happen we also need to listen without judgement.

Anyway, they will start with our uteruses, yoink/control our birth control, and end in men's testes. If the tables were turned, would women stand in the way? This thread reminded me, it is a big question mark. It COULD be as bad as the end of humanity. Yes, currently we have birth control so the point of my thread may seem moot. I know it seems I am premature with this, and many don't like it because the topic is so "taboo", I stated my stance pretty strongly and I am simply asking for support. I am not even in the US, I am in Australia where it's still perfectly legal. I don't want it to happen here, so I am addressing it in advance. Women are already just going, "well fuck it, I can't take the chance on BC. I'll go get snipped". This in itself is worrying, because now instead of being on the fence, it is now much harder to reverse their decision unlike BC. They are unknowingly playing into the jewish agenda.

Yes, we do not think like we normally do in sexual situations. I have listened to a few men talk about the about the lack of feeling in condoms, however many come to the conclusion that it is simply not worth accidental pregnancy.

Long term continuous use of the pill is not recommended by doctors and they suggest to have a period every 3 months as your body does still need to shed these things.

Personally, aside from BC, I have taken the pill for my acne and also to allow my period to be less inconvenient for my everyday life. There were days where I'd get it in the middle of working and I'd have to pissbolt to the bathroom in the middle of my shift. I also have incredibly, incredibly bad mood swings, the worst headaches possible and just hormonal shit. However that's just me and are minor inconveniences - I know women that have to go to hospital, have pains so bad they cannot move, etc.

I do hope in future we have a large array of BC at our disposal so that abortion can become a very rare thing.
Please do not worry about rambling. We need to be able to discuss these things openly to progress as a society.

I can comment briefly on this.
I think baby trapping is very evil. These are not accidents and manipulative pregnancies. It simply shouldn't happen. Women who do this to men, it is pathetic and perpetuating distrust between the sexes. Pregnancies should be consent between two people in the best circumstances possible and that's that.
The problem is, baby trapping - it is hard to prove. I believe this should be looked into, but you also have to understand there are also men who genuinely are just deadbeats and blast their seed around without a care and surprised pikachu when the women get pregnant. They are muddying the waters for the men who are genuinely baby trapped and lied to about bc by women and such. These deadbeats might even try to use "I was baby trapped" as an excuse to get out of responsibility for their actions, so we have to be careful here. As far as I'm aware, we do not have any solutions for separating the wheat from the chaff in this regard. If we do end up with such things, I will be behind it 100%.

Planned Parenthood is a horribly corrupt Jewish organization.

Personally, this is news to me. Their information seems current, pretty clear and concise. They are usually the people women ring to deal with things like abortion so I figured they were a good source to go to.
Do you have any information you can point me to on this?
Also, I do not deny the possibility that abortion could be used by the yehuborim for nefarious means, however that is not a good enough reason to ban abortion for all people, in my opinion.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

To be fair, reading about the oppressingly tone of "women must take contraception" at the start of this topic, without even knowing what it does.. Seems to me to also be highly irresponsible of the men, not to mention the sense of being completely insensitive to the topic at hand.

The Birth Control pill has many side effects. Though they are considered mild by modern science , the fact still stands that long term use quite often to not being able to become pregnant at all. The thing to "take time off from it" isn't just "one month". It can take anywhere from months to years to ween off the effect, not to mention your body does have a hard time having normal regular periods also.
To some it never returns to what it was.
Having studied some herbalism, yes there is a herbal method to help normalize this.

Do you seriously think that something so harmful should be taken? If it was you on that end of the stick "lets make birth control pill for men so they won't produce sperm".. how many of you would actually take it?!

I bet you'd be thinking "This is unnatural and unhealthy I am not taking it." Yet you are promoting this shit your partners?!

I agree, plus with advanced psychic abilities, pregnancy wouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that advanced beings can prevent pregnancy until planned, leaving sex to be fully enjoyable without the stress of "what if".

Lydia, perhaps books on midwifery contain the information you seek. There were entire books written on female complaints specificly, even during the medieval period.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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What I was mostly promoting was condoms. I said that I don't like those pills and I think they are dangerous for most people. But there are many different kinds of options with new ones being invented all the time. More safe options are being created.

And I also tried to make it very clear that I would blame both parents equally, the woman and the man were both being irresponsible. Since both of them are doing half of the work.

 

[Soul Wings]

In terms of BC, not many here really thought to stress the point that it should be a man's responsibility too. Not many really acknowledged how invasive BC can be either. It speaks for itself really.

Permanent damage is unfortunate, but as a fully grown, sexually educated woman you have to accept that this is a possible downside. This and other horrid side effects. Doctors give us plenty of information these days and we have ways of finding out ourselves which we should be doing.
I also read that weaning off birth control can change who you are attracted to. Which means it is altering our hormones in some way as well. I know I certainly feel different when I take it. Not all women do though. This is a very individual thing.

There is actually a male birth control pill currently being trialed.

"Some participants (including some on the placebo) reported mild side effects, such as:

Acne
Headaches
Mild erectile dysfunction
Reduced sex drive
Tiredness
Weight gain of 5 lbs. or less"

Soooo..... Show of hands, who wants to try it? Hey, where did everybody go?

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I figured on this point I'll speak up on another "argument" people have been trying to make.
I just simply don't understand why what other women do with their bodies affects oneself in any way, shape or form. If a woman you are not dating "uses abortion as bc", how is that your business, and how does that affect you? Even if you think it's "morally wrong" - It is not your "child" (I think a fetus is a cell, not a child. It is by definition not a fully formed child anyway), nor your body, nor your partner, nor your life.

There are so many people in this world. If you don't want a promiscuous woman as a partner - you don't have to have one. If you don't want STDs, find a partner that gets tested. If you don't want a woman to cheat on you, do a working for a faithful partner. If you want your woman to give birth to a child, find one that wants one. As a Satanist especially - what is so hard about any of that? If I walked up to you and said, "Stop eating that pepperoni pizza", I know you guys would for a fact tell me to fuck off. So why the surprised pikachu when the same thing is happening on much more serious and modern matters? How is this even slightly a reasonable excuse or argument to force women to have unwanted children?

Lastly I wanted to mention an interesting correlation I had was on another spiritual note. This is more speculation on my part so if this doesn't interest you, no worries. I don't know how many people know here, but Lilith is an advocate for women's rights, abortion and so on. (I want to state that I do not know her stance and I do not pretend to! Those who are curious please ask her yourself!) Anyway, I did not realise this myself but after some research Lilith is Satan's favourite wife. I can personally see she has a lot of work cut out for herself. Crown chakra = lily = Lilith. What does this mean about high spiritual knowledge? What does this mean about the divine feminine? Does this mean if women are fully free so too are men? Does it simply mean we should work together as one? So many questions... so much meditating to do.

 

[Soul Wings]

Yes, that stance is undeniably synonymous with Westboro and xtians in general. What fantastic organisations to stand next to and shout in protest. Jesus would be proud. But people can do whatever they want.
I must admit to you personally, that I did not expect - at all - such an overwhelmingly strong opposition to what I had posted. Part of me did not think it would be posted at all. I was so overwhelmed (and maybe a little bit disappointed) I had to physically rest on the first day. I do realise this subject can be very political, and perhaps even personal. I wondered why I did it for a while after. But looking at the thread now, a few days later, and after some spiritual speculation, I have a little more hope, and I'm glad I did it.

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

To be fair, reading about the oppressingly tone of "women must take contraception" at the start of this topic, without even knowing what it does.. Seems to me to also be highly irresponsible of the men, not to mention the sense of being completely insensitive to the topic at hand.

The Birth Control pill has many side effects. Though they are considered mild by modern science , the fact still stands that long term use quite often to not being able to become pregnant at all. The thing to "take time off from it" isn't just "one month". It can take anywhere from months to years to ween off the effect, not to mention your body does have a hard time having normal regular periods also.
To some it never returns to what it was.
Having studied some herbalism, yes there is a herbal method to help normalize this.

Do you seriously think that something so harmful should be taken? If it was you on that end of the stick "lets make birth control pill for men so they won't produce sperm".. how many of you would actually take it?!

I bet you'd be thinking "This is unnatural and unhealthy I am not taking it." Yet you are promoting this shit your partners?!

I agree, plus with advanced psychic abilities, pregnancy wouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that advanced beings can prevent pregnancy until planned, leaving sex to be fully enjoyable without the stress of "what if".

Lydia, perhaps books on midwifery contain the information you seek. There were entire books written on female complaints specificly, even during the medieval period.

I knew a woman who had some terrible problems from the birth control pill. She got her period, and it didn't stop for a full month, and only stopped because she stopped taking the pill.

Thanks for the info on the books, I will look into them, more for knowledge sake and to inform other women.