Difficulties

[Thor]

I've been doing alot of meditations however whenever i'm just getting into a deep trance I have trouble keeping my irritating thaughts silent I need some tips to make my thaughts a little more clear and keep the destractions away

 

[chalchiuhnenetzin]

Here's what I used to do (and still do when this happens):

Some people advise just ignoring the extraneous, intruding "mind-chatter" but I found that doesn't work (for me anyway), because they just keep "yelling for attention" so to speak. So I address them as if they were "sentient" and tell them "You can see I'm busy now so I'll deal with you later," and continue with my meditation. It's not an instant "cure" but it helped me.

You will find it happens less and less often as you progress in your meditations over time but they can still crop up from time to time.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Thor" <monster_1235@... wrote:

I've been doing alot of meditations however whenever i'm just getting into a deep trance I have trouble keeping my irritating thaughts silent I need some tips to make my thaughts a little more clear and keep the destractions away

 

[Anti]

before you start with the "6-6-6 breathing" watch you breath, visualize it as a blue stream going in and out of your nose (or mouth), but don't breathe consiously, just breath like you normally would and you'll start to notice your thoughts slowing down.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Thor" <monster_1235@... wrote:

I've been doing alot of meditations however whenever i'm just getting into a deep trance I have trouble keeping my irritating thaughts silent I need some tips to make my thaughts a little more clear and keep the destractions away

 

[Thor]

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "chalchiuhnenetzin" <jaguarcat2002@... wrote:

Here's what I used to do (and still do when this happens):

Some people advise just ignoring the extraneous, intruding "mind-chatter" but I found that doesn't work (for me anyway), because they just keep "yelling for attention" so to speak. So I address them as if they were "sentient" and tell them "You can see I'm busy now so I'll deal with you later," and continue with my meditation. It's not an instant "cure" but it helped me.

You will find it happens less and less often as you progress in your meditations over time but they can still crop up from time to time.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Thor" <monster_1235@ wrote:

I've been doing alot of meditations however whenever i'm just getting into a deep trance I have trouble keeping my irritating thaughts silent I need some tips to make my thaughts a little more clear and keep the destractions away

Thanks I appreciate the help

 

[Dave Drabmore]

 

[Thor]

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Dave Drabmore <vesceles@... wrote:

Getting into a yoga position and doing abdominal, rythymic breathing helps me a lot to keep the extraneous thoughts out during meditation. This is because of glandular and chakra stimulation and quieting happening during yoga. Even in a small room with little space, one can get into poses like standing position and folded leaf.

Thanks I'll try that out

 

[Mike1]

Hail Warriors!As the subject say: I'm having some difficulties with meditations. Let me explain. Basically I feel as if I'm not making enough progress. Now I do understand that these things take time and patience, and a lot of these, but still, it's not getting any easier. It's over a few months now after I started to meditate again, including almost two months of Power Meditations and a month of sticking to the Spiritual Warfare Training Program. As stated, I haven't opened my chakras yet but I highly doubt I'll be able to do so as I possess virtually no concentration/focus abilities and even less visualization powers.I'm not saying I'm going to give up, no friggin' way. The problem is, I'm afraid, that I'll start treating meditations as another work, a labour that needs to be done. With no joy coming out of it. Just an emotionless, without a devotion, mechanical repetition. I did read in one of the books about Yoga that this is actually the worst thing that can happen during the whole practice. Falling into a lethargy. And I don't really know how to change that if it happens, how to motivate myself. I've written before that I'm quite an impatient person by nature and learning patience isn't an easy thing. Hopefully, the stagnation won't get me before I'll be able to learn it.Any tips/insights on how to overcome such an issue form You, veteran Satanists?Many thanks for all the advices.
Hail Satan and all the true Gods!Hail Gods of War! 
/Mike

 

[Hissa Alenezi]

well what you have to do first is clear your thoughts from any ideas and then think of one thing as a begening, after doing so you will have to close your eyes and focus on that one thing think of it think about it bring a sigil of your demon for example or any demon or any sigil you feel comforted to think of and then think about that sigil or think about the name of the sigil owner ... try to do that 10 times three times a day atleast for few days if it got easier it means you are going to do the medetations quite easily but its better while your thinking about the sigil to train your self in breathing in for 6 seconds deeply in while closing your eyes then hold it for 6 seconds then again slowly train your self into exhaling deeply slow.. that should be very helpful for you as I hope.. and well others may be more helpful but that is what i basically do everytime I have clutters in my mind I think of my guardian sigil or name and medetate or you can do the Fathers' sigil or name which can be quite peacefull.. Hail Azazel!Hail Enki!!
From: Mike <misza2@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:13 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Difficulties

  Hail Warriors!As the subject say: I'm having some difficulties with meditations. Let me explain. Basically I feel as if I'm not making enough progress. Now I do understand that these things take time and patience, and a lot of these, but still, it's not getting any easier. It's over a few months now after I started to meditate again, including almost two months of Power Meditations and a month of sticking to the Spiritual Warfare Training Program. As stated, I haven't opened my chakras yet but I highly doubt I'll be able to do so as I possess virtually no concentration/focus abilities and even less visualization powers.I'm not saying I'm going to give up, no friggin' way. The problem is, I'm afraid, that I'll start treating meditations as another work, a labour that needs to be done. With no joy coming out of it. Just an emotionless, without a devotion, mechanical repetition. I did read in one of the books about Yoga that this is actually the worst thing that can happen during the whole practice. Falling into a lethargy. And I don't really know how to change that if it happens, how to motivate myself. I've written before that I'm quite an impatient person by nature and learning patience isn't an easy thing. Hopefully, the stagnation won't get me before I'll be able to learn it.Any tips/insights on how to overcome such an issue form You, veteran Satanists?Many thanks for all the advices.
Hail Satan and all the true Gods!Hail Gods of War! 
/Mike

 

[junrails]

Hi Warrior!
I understand what you mean and where you're coming from.First of all, majority has his/her own difficulties in meditations initially, it is normal Mike.Emotionless mechanical repetition is fatal in any aspects in life, be it romance,career or spiritually.
The truth is,nobody is patient,we do not need to practice patience to know that everything takes time.It is the law of nature that growth requires time.

All achievement is through the accumulation of progresses.Never say you haven't enough progress.
Frankly, you do not know a good reason why do you want to meditate.
All you truly need is the "WHY".
A burning desire to bring forth joy and passion in your Spiritual endeavor.
Ask yourself the reasons WHY you meditate for.
You can't be stagnant unless you will yourself to.
The answers are within yourself Mike,you just have to dig them.
Write in a piece of paper if you will.
When your desires surpassed your perceived difficulties,
that is the moment when you are clear enough.

Spiritual advancement is not only a practice, but a way of life for all of us Spiritual Satanists.
Happy New Year of the Dragon 2012 in advance!(23/1/2012)

From: Mike <misza2@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:13 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Difficulties

  Hail Warriors!As the subject say: I'm having some difficulties with meditations. Let me explain. Basically I feel as if I'm not making enough progress. Now I do understand that these things take time and patience, and a lot of these, but still, it's not getting any easier. It's over a few months now after I started to meditate again, including almost two months of Power Meditations and a month of sticking to the Spiritual Warfare Training Program. As stated, I haven't opened my chakras yet but I highly doubt I'll be able to do so as I possess virtually no concentration/focus abilities and even less visualization powers.I'm not saying I'm going to give up, no friggin' way. The problem is, I'm afraid, that I'll start treating meditations as another work, a labour that needs to be done. With no joy coming out of it. Just an emotionless, without a devotion, mechanical repetition. I did read in one of the books about Yoga that this is actually the worst thing that can happen during the whole practice. Falling into a lethargy. And I don't really know how to change that if it happens, how to motivate myself. I've written before that I'm quite an impatient person by nature and learning patience isn't an easy thing. Hopefully, the stagnation won't get me before I'll be able to learn it.Any tips/insights on how to overcome such an issue form You, veteran Satanists?Many thanks for all the advices.
Hail Satan and all the true Gods!Hail Gods of War! 
/Mike

 

[misza2]

Thank You for your insights, Brother.
I can't remember when was the last time I've read anything that deep and inspiring. I did read somewhere before that "Will above anything else". Seems this is true. I'm wondering if all of those problems, obstacles of mine are only the ones I create myself. It only shows that I still have a lot to learn and experience, understanding myself included.
Heck, having difficulties at the beginning seems like a universal law of nature or something. As if an adept was supposed to overcome these in order to grow and advance. And to prove that he is prepared to face even bigger challenges.
Damn, I just came up with this last sentence. I didn't expect that about myself.

Hail Satan and all the true Gods!
Hail Gods of War!
/Mike

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Morning Star <morning_star87@... wrote:

Hi Warrior!

I understand what you mean and where you're coming from.
First of all, majority has his/her own difficulties in meditations initially, it is normal Mike.
Emotionless mechanical repetition is fatal in any aspects in life, be it romance,career or spiritually.

The truth is,nobody is patient,we do not need to practice patience to know that everything takes time.
It is the law of nature that growth requires time.

All achievement is through the accumulation of progresses.Never say you haven't enough progress.
Frankly, you do not know a good reason why do you want to meditate.
All you truly need is the "WHY".
A burning desire to bring forth joy and passion in your Spiritual endeavor.
Ask yourself the reasons WHY you meditate for.
You can't be stagnant unless you will yourself to.
The answers are within yourself Mike,you just have to dig them.
Write in a piece of paper if you will.
When your desires surpassed your perceived difficulties,
that is the moment when you are clear enough.


Spiritual advancement is not only a practice, but a way of life for all of us Spiritual Satanists.

Happy New Year of the Dragon 2012 in advance!
(23/1/2012)



________________________________
From: Mike <misza2@...
To: "[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Cc: "[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:13 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Difficulties


 
Hail Warriors!
As the subject say: I'm having some difficulties with meditations. Let me explain. Basically I feel as if I'm not making enough progress. Now I do understand that these things take time and patience, and a lot of these, but still, it's not getting any easier. It's over a few months now after I started to meditate again, including almost two months of Power Meditations and a month of sticking to the Spiritual Warfare Training Program. As stated, I haven't opened my chakras yet but I highly doubt I'll be able to do so as I possess virtually no concentration/focus abilities and even less visualization powers.
I'm not saying I'm going to give up, no friggin' way. The problem is, I'm afraid, that I'll start treating meditations as another work, a labour that needs to be done. With no joy coming out of it. Just an emotionless, without a devotion, mechanical repetition. I did read in one of the books about Yoga that this is actually the worst thing that can happen during the whole practice. Falling into a lethargy. And I don't really know how to change that if it happens, how to motivate myself. I've written before that I'm quite an impatient person by nature and learning patience isn't an easy thing. Hopefully, the stagnation won't get me before I'll be able to learn it.
Any tips/insights on how to overcome such an issue form You, veteran Satanists?
Many thanks for all the advices.

Hail Satan and all the true Gods!
Hail Gods of War! 
/Mike

 

[Brian Gibbons]

All I can do Mike,is share what happened with me last 2 years ago when I started.I didn't see much change for over 6 months or so.But I kept on doing it anyway,because the alternative to stopping completely,was not an option.So don't get down if you are not seeing much progress,because yes it does take patience.But more than that,it takes perseverance too.After 2 years,I can say that I am feeling,and seeing the results of my hard work.But we all advance at different at speeds,so just keep plugging away,and you will see the results.I needed encouragement to in the beginning,so I hope I helped some.Hail SatanBrian

From: Mike <misza2@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Difficulties

  Hail Warriors!As the subject say: I'm having some difficulties with meditations. Let me explain. Basically I feel as if I'm not making enough progress. Now I do understand that these things take time and patience, and a lot of these, but still, it's not getting any easier. It's over a few months now after I started to meditate again, including almost two months of Power Meditations and a month of sticking to the Spiritual Warfare Training Program. As stated, I haven't opened my chakras yet but I highly doubt I'll be able to do so as I possess virtually no concentration/focus abilities and even less visualization powers.I'm not saying I'm going to give up, no friggin' way. The problem is, I'm afraid, that I'll start treating meditations as another work, a labour that needs to be done. With no joy coming out of it. Just an emotionless, without a devotion, mechanical repetition. I did read in one of the books about Yoga that this is actually the worst thing that can happen during the whole practice. Falling into a lethargy. And I don't really know how to change that if it happens, how to motivate myself. I've written before that I'm quite an impatient person by nature and learning patience isn't an easy thing. Hopefully, the stagnation won't get me before I'll be able to learn it.Any tips/insights on how to overcome such an issue form You, veteran Satanists?Many thanks for all the advices.
Hail Satan and all the true Gods!Hail Gods of War! 
/Mike

 

[misza2]

Thanks a ton for Your words of encouragement Brian.
Yes, You are right, nothing worthwhile comes with a snap of the fingers. Even when it seems hard, or I'm getting my lazy day(s), I still know I must not give up and just push forward. Nothing bad or wrong may come out of it (hopefully).
I'm writing this just after my daily meditation. Actually I meditate twice a day (really thrice, last time right before laying to sleep, in my bed, but this is just basically a few breathing exercises and and aura cleaning thing). In the morning, before going to work I do Foundation Meditation, Breathing Exercises, Aura cleaning and a Void Meditation, all to the best of my tiny abilities; these take from 30 to 40 minutes. In the evening (starting 9 pm, after my physical workout, shower and a proper supper) I go by the Spiritual Warfare Training (doing concentration and visualization exercises right now - damn these are hard...) That takes also from 30 to 40 minutes. All these done every day. It feels exhausting at times but deep inside I know that this is what and how I should be doing. Hopefully not overdoing things.
While talking about baby steps progress, I just noticed it is a bit easier for me to relax, and to go into a deeper relaxation state, then to focus and concentrate, I'm able to visualize a bit better/longer... It's not much of an improvement but still, better than nothing. And it can only get better. I also have a feeling that I was only a step away from feeling my chakras... that should come in time. Felt some kind of a slight, warm feeling inside, along my spine that expanded into my whole body. But maybe I'm just imagining things here, as it was really faint. The problem is what I have written about before: that goddamn temples pressure. Actually this time it got worse: it felt as if I had an iron band attached to them, going all around my forehead and applying an unpleasant pressure and tingling. Brief, sharp pain in the ears could also be felt, this however was really short but happened a few times. Now I'll be feeling that pressure in the temples and around the head for an hour or more. At least it's more muffled now but still annoying. I did have the same kind of problems before, the first time I started any meditation program, back when I was still in my early teens, the one I did abandon after some time. This time all of that is happening again. Hope I'll be able to work it out somehow.
And one more strange thing... Dunno why, just on it's own it would seem, I was talking to Father in my mind. Of course it was only a monologue but I hope he did hear me. Now, I don't normally do that kind of thing as I feel silly for doing it. But nonetheless I asked Father not to be offended/angry with me, as I have not dedicated yet and promised that I will when I really feel I'm ready to join the family and take on the responsibility. Told Him that hopefully it will happen soon. Pledged my full support and devotion to the cause of cleansing this world, asked for guidance and promised to help with everything once I'm actually able to do it. It did feel like an oath or something... I must admit that I was a bit scared when I realized what I have done but seems that fear, even though a brief one, was a remaining of the Yehuborim programming. Looks like it went deeper and had a lot more effect upon my life than I have ever known or could admit to myself. Seems this is the hardest part, getting totally rid of all the destructive, programmed reactions and emotions. Heh, I have a lot of work to do.

Hail Satan and all the true Gods!
Hail Gods of War!
/Mike