Deepest Trance = Astral Pojection

[Necrorifter]

I am curious if there is a trance state that is deeper than one that leads to astral projection considering that at that point, your body is practically asleep for you to separate from your physical self?

 

[Usthepeople666]

I am curious if there is a trance state that is deeper than one that leads to astral projection considering that at that point, your body is practically asleep for you to separate from your physical self?

both are actually different.
in the trance state you access your sub conscious mind by altering your brain waves while in astral projection your astral body actually leaves the body.
Hail SATAN

 

[Necrorifter]

I am curious if there is a trance state that is deeper than one that leads to astral projection considering that at that point, your body is practically asleep for you to separate from your physical self?

both are actually different.
in the trance state you access your sub conscious mind by altering your brain waves while in astral projection your astral body actually leaves the body.
Hail SATAN

Yes, I am aware of that. I was curious if both are of the same trance level, and if it is possible to go deeper into trance than one needed for astral projection.

 

[Necrorifter]

I am curious if there is a trance state that is deeper than one that leads to astral projection considering that at that point, your body is practically asleep for you to separate from your physical self?

https://www.templeofzeus.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Meditations_for_Astral_Projection.html

Thanks for that.

 

[Stormblood]

You should study brain frequencies. You're normally in a beta range, except when you're fully focused and accessing your left hemisphere, then your frequency raises to the gamma range, speeding up. Trance starts when your brain slows down. A light trance is associated with the alpha range. Below that you have theta, delta and epsilon. From the theta range is possible to experience astral body projection. For starters, the deeper the trance, the better. There's something about brainwaves on the main website: https://www.templeofzeus.org/Brainwaves.html

The epsilon range is from 0.5 Hz and below.

 

[Necrorifter]

You should study brain frequencies. You're normally in a beta range, except when you're fully focused and accessing your left hemisphere, then your frequency raises to the gamma range, speeding up. Trance starts when your brain slows down. A light trance is associated with the alpha range. Below that you have theta, delta and epsilon. From the theta range is possible to experience astral body projection. For starters, the deeper the trance, the better. There's something about brainwaves on the main website: https://www.templeofzeus.org/Brainwaves.html

The epsilon range is from 0.5 Hz and below.

Huh, so astral projection is not total unconsciousness yet. Guess there is one more which is delta below theta. I guess it means sense. Your mind is still active even if your body are totally asleep in theta trance. But once you enter delta, it just skips time mode for you. Is there anything useful that we can actively do with delta or is theta the main goal every time?

 

[Stormblood]

You should study brain frequencies. You're normally in a beta range, except when you're fully focused and accessing your left hemisphere, then your frequency raises to the gamma range, speeding up. Trance starts when your brain slows down. A light trance is associated with the alpha range. Below that you have theta, delta and epsilon. From the theta range is possible to experience astral body projection. For starters, the deeper the trance, the better. There's something about brainwaves on the main website: https://www.templeofzeus.org/Brainwaves.html

The epsilon range is from 0.5 Hz and below.

Huh, so astral projection is not total unconsciousness yet. Guess there is one more which is delta below theta. I guess it means sense. Your mind is still active even if your body are totally asleep in theta trance. But once you enter delta, it just skips time mode for you. Is there anything useful that we can actively do with delta or is theta the main goal every time?

After as I know, trance is a state that shuts down your logical/left side of the brain and allows you to access your creative/right brain. The lower your brainwave frequency goes, the deeper the state. Starting from a certain frequency, your body is completely asleep too but the mind only goes asleep if you allow it or you are untrained. The more you train, the deeper the stage you can get to before falling asleep. However, as you move into past the delta stage toward the epsilon stage, your body will go into a comatose stage. Of course, adepts can wake up from that.

The deeper the stage, the better access you have to your spiritual abilities and some have had "shamanic" experiences. For the body, studies show deep stages of healing too. There is research available online.

 

[Necrorifter]

You should study brain frequencies. You're normally in a beta range, except when you're fully focused and accessing your left hemisphere, then your frequency raises to the gamma range, speeding up. Trance starts when your brain slows down. A light trance is associated with the alpha range. Below that you have theta, delta and epsilon. From the theta range is possible to experience astral body projection. For starters, the deeper the trance, the better. There's something about brainwaves on the main website: https://www.templeofzeus.org/Brainwaves.html

The epsilon range is from 0.5 Hz and below.

Huh, so astral projection is not total unconsciousness yet. Guess there is one more which is delta below theta. I guess it means sense. Your mind is still active even if your body are totally asleep in theta trance. But once you enter delta, it just skips time mode for you. Is there anything useful that we can actively do with delta or is theta the main goal every time?

After as I know, trance is a state that shuts down your logical/left side of the brain and allows you to access your creative/right brain. The lower your brainwave frequency goes, the deeper the state. Starting from a certain frequency, your body is completely asleep too but the mind only goes asleep if you allow it or you are untrained. The more you train, the deeper the stage you can get to before falling asleep. However, as you move into past the delta stage toward the epsilon stage, your body will go into a comatose stage. Of course, adepts can wake up from that.

The deeper the stage, the better access you have to your spiritual abilities and some have had "shamanic" experiences. For the body, studies show deep stages of healing too. There is research available online.

Interesting, Thanks for the update, I am well aware that one can keep their mind conscious even with body asleep, I am just not sure of how far can you push that considering that your brain is part of your body. But it is nice to see that one can leave comatose if one is well experienced in void meditation.

 

[Gearshift]

Does a trance(self-hypnosis) correspond with mindfulness(void?)?

In other words does training to trance and shutting down the logical side, subduing it, kinda like a circuit breaker shutting down the power. Does that count as training for void or a form of void meditation?

I've known about self-hypnosis and trance pretty much since I was like 4-5 years old but didn't actually even study it in depth till the internet right around 9-10 years old. But in all the years that have passed I've never fully encountered a trance state.

It's funny I'm in my head ALL the time, my mind non-stop plays music in the backgrounds, usually it's the background. I mean hell I've even had situations whereby playing a different song in my mind fatigues me. How or what is the best way to train in trance if even the act of training trance fatigues me.

Have I ever had any trance training, the answer is yes, but usually if it even works I don't feel much. I feel like I'm doing it incorrectly kinda like "Is thinking of the trance wrong?", in other words does performing the activities like ladder or lift or leaf or any other hell even the rope technique that induces a trance but isn't that just thinking with the logical side.

I guess the question that needs to be asked is "Is thinking of visualizing a form of logical side or a form of right side?"

I will admit as a thinker and someone who probably never shut off their thoughts for more than 2 or 3 seconds in the best possible capacity. Trance kinda irks me as it's really difficult.

I will readily admit most if not all my meditations are done fully consciously what is defined as beta perhaps slight drop in frequency for a slight relaxation. But I always feel like I'm meditating incorrectly like for example Yoga is being in an altered state possible and performing asanas or is Yoga a beta level exercise that requires full attention and any form of altered state can create issues. I guess what I'm trying to state is how much altered state can a person be in and still perform yoga fully and correctly.

So I'm sure with everyone reading the above you probably notice how much ancient issues I have dealing with something that on some level is probably 20+ years of wondering how the hell do I even enter a trance or whatever. I know many will state you've done it a shitload of times already the entire point is to do it consciously and for an extended period of time to learn it.

I should also point out I myself learned it due to astral projection back when I first got the internet. Or at least learning about it guided me to AP subject.

 

[Merkabaforce]

You can set your alarm wake you up at 4am,you would them feel sleepy,your brain wave will be slowed down,
that is the best time to do astral projection.

 

[Priest - Alexandros Iowno]

You can set your alarm wake you up at 4am,you would them feel sleepy,your brain wave will be slowed down,
that is the best time to do astral projection.

I suggest a stronger will in attaining astral projection that does not depend on any time or justification. This little helpers can be overpowered by discipline in meditation and applied will.

 

[Gearshift]

I appreciate both of you guys responses. Albeit I will state "Yes I'm aware I'm in some trance". But it's nothing special it doesn't feel any different. I don't feel altered or anything.

I'm aware it requires diving down and since "Nakedhill" stated visualizing my best guess is visualizing doesn't interfere with trance.

With that said "Nakedhill" also confused me because he is using imagination/visualization or as one blog I read "mentalization" to eliminate thoughts my understanding is void requires zero thoughts only the background thoughts of your subconcious response but when it comes to the active state "zilch". It's very confusing as I do recall reading a bit on other religions definition of a controlled state and usually they respond with "the thoughts will eventually settle down like dirty water, dirt settling".

I know in void we "control" our mind to shut off thoughts and maintain thoughtlessness or more precisely as one member who responded to me previously said "maintain single-pointed concentration".

But non the less I just cannot for the life of me control my thoughts. Look guys I'm a thinker I think wildly to maintain my level of existence. I just don't understand void at all. Can I do it sure but for like a second maybe two seconds. All in all very minute amount of time of void. I'm aware Robert Bruce(Astral projector) states once you achieve the silent state it becomes something you never want to part with. Which leads me to believe that either thoughts do appear as intuitive insights or the ability to void the mind is so wonderful that having this level of control sublimate the negatives of the mind. As I do recall buddhist(modern) meditations like mindfulness or thought observation as becoming popular with people wanting to reduce stress and whatnot. Avoiding most thoughts as usually they serve no purpose i.e. rumination or the act of worrying.

So all in all I'm quite confused on void and have no direct experience with it in long term, long development.

With that said the other is trance and I notice that no matter what it doesn't feel any different or strange or special than my normal activities. So I was in a trance, so what, is what pops out to my mind. What's so special about it and since you stated simple relaxation is a light trance. Now my quest is to delve into it deeper. But funny enough it creates situations like falling asleep and whatnot.

Also to point out my body hurts like hell sitting down. I don't know what it is but I'm extremely uncomfortable sitting down. I used to have a chair that I like for meditating but was thrown away when I was in the hospital, no idea why I never gave permission to be thrown. But in the end I just feel annoyed at sitting down.

Some might state lying down but that has hurdles of it's own such as falling asleep. With that said another annoying thing is breathing. When I was a kid I used to say a lot "I hate breathing" and I notice that while the breath is used both for taking in energy(pranic breath) and expelling stress and inducing relaxation. I can't for the life of me enjoy deep breathing. I like to breath gently properly but gently. Breathing deeply requires so much mental effort, exhaustion is what occurs in keeping it that it makes me feel like going to sleep.

So my statements that I said "Anyone mind helping me understand some of these negatives?"

And yes I have researched this stuff, this isn't being said out of pure ignorance. But I can't seem to find much answers on such things.

 

[Stormblood]

Brainwaves: https://www.templeofzeus.org/Brainwaves.html
Brain: https://www.templeofzeus.org/Brain.html
About hypnosis: https://www.templeofzeus.org/About_Hypnosis.html