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It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper, which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality. Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001. Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the church published last year. The investigation — headed by Wim Deetman, a former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague — looked into 1,800 reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York City–based Human Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party, which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions, including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
I get these articles through facebook I have a guy who added me last year we don't talk he puts up news articles all kinds of stuff mostly animal rights and welfare all kinds of strange news stories he finds heaps on the catholics this one I found very disturbing because as it says at the end... how many men who have had their testicles cut off would want to come forward and admit it? So there could be far far more victims of church abuse that even we think. Women are more likely to come forward, but men less so thats what I have found at least. The first boyfriend I ever had was a rape victim as a child and more than once I remember the first day he told me Id never really seen a guy cry before it really messed him up right into adulthood he told hardly anyone. Its shocking how many men it happens to and you would never know they carry it around inside this has to stop! I think the rituals have been helping bring some of these stories to light and I think as we keep going and more people join in we will see lots more of it come out.

We can spread these stories on the internet too, share on facebook, twitter, youtube so people will see them. People have to know. Im going to keep posting these articles up here as they come to me and i hope some of you will in turn pass them on as you can and make an effort it all helps. It takes a few clicks of a mouse.

Hail Satan.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@... wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper, which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality. Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001. Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the church published last year. The investigation — headed by Wim Deetman, a former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague — looked into 1,800 reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York City–based Human Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party, which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions, including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
What's your FB name, Sister? You can write me off-list if you don't
want to say on here. I'm not under my birth name on FB; I'm under my
craft name, but I don't think I'll put that here, just to be safe.

But yes, this abuse is very, very disturbing! And you're right; we
need to get the word out. That's one of the main reasons I got a
Facebook account, was so I could educate people the best I can. Hail
Father Satan!

On 3/26/12, firebird894 <firebird894@... wrote:
I get these articles through facebook I have a guy who added me last year we
don't talk he puts up news articles all kinds of stuff mostly animal rights
and welfare all kinds of strange news stories he finds heaps on the
catholics this one I found very disturbing because as it says at the end...
how many men who have had their testicles cut off would want to come forward
and admit it? So there could be far far more victims of church abuse that
even we think. Women are more likely to come forward, but men less so thats
what I have found at least. The first boyfriend I ever had was a rape victim
as a child and more than once I remember the first day he told me Id never
really seen a guy cry before it really messed him up right into adulthood he
told hardly anyone. Its shocking how many men it happens to and you would
never know they carry it around inside this has to stop! I think the rituals
have been helping bring some of these stories to light and I think as we
keep going and more people join in we will see lots more of it come out.

We can spread these stories on the internet too, share on facebook, twitter,
youtube so people will see them. People have to know. Im going to keep
posting these articles up here as they come to me and i hope some of you
will in turn pass them on as you can and make an effort it all helps. It
takes a few clicks of a mouse.

Hail Satan.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@... wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation — headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague — looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York City–based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
My current facebook is mostly family, friends, pretty mundane personal stuff I do share news stories on there I think are important for people to see, things that might challenge how people see things I am thinking of making a second FB account though where I can be more open I'll let you know when Ive done that.

Hail Satan

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allison P <apocalypseofjon@... wrote:

What's your FB name, Sister? You can write me off-list if you don't
want to say on here. I'm not under my birth name on FB; I'm under my
craft name, but I don't think I'll put that here, just to be safe.

But yes, this abuse is very, very disturbing! And you're right; we
need to get the word out. That's one of the main reasons I got a
Facebook account, was so I could educate people the best I can. Hail
Father Satan!

On 3/26/12, firebird894 <firebird894@... wrote:
I get these articles through facebook I have a guy who added me last year we
don't talk he puts up news articles all kinds of stuff mostly animal rights
and welfare all kinds of strange news stories he finds heaps on the
catholics this one I found very disturbing because as it says at the end...
how many men who have had their testicles cut off would want to come forward
and admit it? So there could be far far more victims of church abuse that
even we think. Women are more likely to come forward, but men less so thats
what I have found at least. The first boyfriend I ever had was a rape victim
as a child and more than once I remember the first day he told me Id never
really seen a guy cry before it really messed him up right into adulthood he
told hardly anyone. Its shocking how many men it happens to and you would
never know they carry it around inside this has to stop! I think the rituals
have been helping bring some of these stories to light and I think as we
keep going and more people join in we will see lots more of it come out.

We can spread these stories on the internet too, share on facebook, twitter,
youtube so people will see them. People have to know. Im going to keep
posting these articles up here as they come to me and i hope some of you
will in turn pass them on as you can and make an effort it all helps. It
takes a few clicks of a mouse.

Hail Satan.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation — headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague — looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York City–based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
I have a "fake" account under my alias (Lydia is my alias) that I use just for SS related stuff. Feel free to add me when/if you get yours. It's under this email account, I'm the only lydia_666

Hail Father Satan!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@... wrote:

My current facebook is mostly family, friends, pretty mundane personal stuff I do share news stories on there I think are important for people to see, things that might challenge how people see things I am thinking of making a second FB account though where I can be more open I'll let you know when Ive done that.

Hail Satan

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allison P <apocalypseofjon@ wrote:

What's your FB name, Sister? You can write me off-list if you don't
want to say on here. I'm not under my birth name on FB; I'm under my
craft name, but I don't think I'll put that here, just to be safe.

But yes, this abuse is very, very disturbing! And you're right; we
need to get the word out. That's one of the main reasons I got a
Facebook account, was so I could educate people the best I can. Hail
Father Satan!

On 3/26/12, firebird894 <firebird894@ wrote:
I get these articles through facebook I have a guy who added me last year we
don't talk he puts up news articles all kinds of stuff mostly animal rights
and welfare all kinds of strange news stories he finds heaps on the
catholics this one I found very disturbing because as it says at the end...
how many men who have had their testicles cut off would want to come forward
and admit it? So there could be far far more victims of church abuse that
even we think. Women are more likely to come forward, but men less so thats
what I have found at least. The first boyfriend I ever had was a rape victim
as a child and more than once I remember the first day he told me Id never
really seen a guy cry before it really messed him up right into adulthood he
told hardly anyone. Its shocking how many men it happens to and you would
never know they carry it around inside this has to stop! I think the rituals
have been helping bring some of these stories to light and I think as we
keep going and more people join in we will see lots more of it come out.

We can spread these stories on the internet too, share on facebook, twitter,
youtube so people will see them. People have to know. Im going to keep
posting these articles up here as they come to me and i hope some of you
will in turn pass them on as you can and make an effort it all helps. It
takes a few clicks of a mouse.

Hail Satan.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation — headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague — looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York City–based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
The cathol[/IMG]</var> where to be professional singers in their choirs to always hit the high notes for life. They where called the  castrati.    
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at
the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the
abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages
in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation — headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague — looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and
whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York City–based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians
at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since
Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with
any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your
[testicles]."

 
Ok will do, Im in the process of setting one up.

Hail Satan.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lydia_666@..." <lydia_666@... wrote:

I have a "fake" account under my alias (Lydia is my alias) that I use just for SS related stuff. Feel free to add me when/if you get yours. It's under this email account, I'm the only lydia_666

Hail Father Satan!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

My current facebook is mostly family, friends, pretty mundane personal stuff I do share news stories on there I think are important for people to see, things that might challenge how people see things I am thinking of making a second FB account though where I can be more open I'll let you know when Ive done that.

Hail Satan

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allison P <apocalypseofjon@ wrote:

What's your FB name, Sister? You can write me off-list if you don't
want to say on here. I'm not under my birth name on FB; I'm under my
craft name, but I don't think I'll put that here, just to be safe.

But yes, this abuse is very, very disturbing! And you're right; we
need to get the word out. That's one of the main reasons I got a
Facebook account, was so I could educate people the best I can. Hail
Father Satan!

On 3/26/12, firebird894 <firebird894@ wrote:
I get these articles through facebook I have a guy who added me last year we
don't talk he puts up news articles all kinds of stuff mostly animal rights
and welfare all kinds of strange news stories he finds heaps on the
catholics this one I found very disturbing because as it says at the end...
how many men who have had their testicles cut off would want to come forward
and admit it? So there could be far far more victims of church abuse that
even we think. Women are more likely to come forward, but men less so thats
what I have found at least. The first boyfriend I ever had was a rape victim
as a child and more than once I remember the first day he told me Id never
really seen a guy cry before it really messed him up right into adulthood he
told hardly anyone. Its shocking how many men it happens to and you would
never know they carry it around inside this has to stop! I think the rituals
have been helping bring some of these stories to light and I think as we
keep going and more people join in we will see lots more of it come out.

We can spread these stories on the internet too, share on facebook, twitter,
youtube so people will see them. People have to know. Im going to keep
posting these articles up here as they come to me and i hope some of you
will in turn pass them on as you can and make an effort it all helps. It
takes a few clicks of a mouse.

Hail Satan.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation — headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague — looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York City–based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
Yes I heard about that, they would start the inquisition and all of the rest of it back up again today if they could do it, well they do in a way in places they think noone cares about or will notice.

Hail Satan


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

The catholic church used to castrate young boys who where to be professional singers in their choirs to always hit the high notes for life. They where called the  castrati.
 
 
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation â€" headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague â€" looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York Cityâ€"based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
The priests probably made them hit some high notes in private also.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

The catholic church used to castrate young boys who where to be professional singers in their choirs to always hit the high notes for life. They where called the  castrati.
 
 
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation â€" headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague â€" looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York Cityâ€"based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
Fucking catholic priests! I got a friend who's catholic...well, more
of an acquaintance really, but still. I do like the guy; least he
doesn't preach at me. I wish I could talk to him about father, but I
know he wouldn't listen to me. He's too far gone. Hail Satan!

On 3/29/12, kvnfidler <kvnfidler@... wrote:
The priests probably made them hit some high notes in private also.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@... wrote:

The catholic church used to castrate young boys who where to be
professional singers in their choirs to always hit the high notes for
life. They where called the  castrati.
Â
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--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@
wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral
terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of
their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch
newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at
the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were
published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising
questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such
extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a
treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy
of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in
1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school
in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse,
Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then
castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are
strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated
around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed
homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and
Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing
Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding
homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811,
and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages
in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration
claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in
the
church published last year. The investigation â€" headed by Wim
Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague â€" looked
into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch
Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report
concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years,
it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads
for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these
activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health
inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young
boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal
that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such
decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level
of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians
and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate
and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York Cityâ€"based
Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to
politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime
Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the
Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland
children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on
their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's
Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy
abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the
inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one
of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch
Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the
truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered
questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of
this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the
latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing
in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into
the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and
sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical
child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for
the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the
Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says.
Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for
more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in
revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says.
"But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
I can't say what I would like to see done to these Priests and related filth due to the legality but it would involve a public square some of the churches own cruel inventions and a lot of fire.

Hail Satan

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "kvnfidler" <kvnfidler@... wrote:

The priests probably made them hit some high notes in private also.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

The catholic church used to castrate young boys who where to be professional singers in their choirs to always hit the high notes for life. They where called the  castrati.
 
 
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation â€" headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague â€" looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York Cityâ€"based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 
I'm with you on that!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@... wrote:

I can't say what I would like to see done to these Priests and related filth due to the legality but it would involve a public square some of the churches own cruel inventions and a lot of fire.

Hail Satan

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "kvnfidler" <kvnfidler@ wrote:

The priests probably made them hit some high notes in private also.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:

The catholic church used to castrate young boys who where to be professional singers in their choirs to always hit the high notes for life. They where called the  castrati.
 
 
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... d=tweetbut

It not only sounds ludicrous as a medical procedure, but in moral terms
it's downright barbarous: castrating young men to "cure" them of their
homosexuality. Yet this was how the Roman Catholic Church in the
Netherlands treated gays in the 1950s, according to a Dutch newspaper,
which claims at least 10 men were forced to go under the knife at the
church's behest. The extraordinary allegations, which were published last
weekend in the NRC Handelsblad newspaper, have prompted Dutch
parliamentarians to demand an inquiry into the issue, raising questions
about whether the church received political cover to take such extreme
measures.

The newspaper said the castrations were regarded both as a treatment for
homosexuality as well as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse. The newspaper said 20-year-old Henk Heithuis had been
surgically castrated on the instructions of Catholic priests in 1956 after
he told police he was being abused at the Harreveld boarding school in
Gelderland. Although the monks were convicted of the abuse, Heithuis was
nonetheless sent to a Catholic psychiatric hospital and then castrated. He
died two years later in a car crash. The newspaper adds there are strong
indications that at least nine other young men were castrated around the
same time, either for whistle-blowing or for supposed homosexuality.

(MORE: Controversial Study Links Catholic Abuse to '60s Culture and Church
Hierarchy but Offers Few Solutions)

The revelations are especially shocking given the long-standing Dutch
traditions of openness and tolerance, notably regarding homosexuality.
Same-sex relations have been legal in the Netherlands since 1811, and the
country was the first in the world to legalize same-sex marriages in 2001.
Perhaps most disturbing, however, is the fact that the castration claims
were also missed by an official investigation into sexual abuse in the
church published last year. The investigation â€" headed by Wim Deetman, a
former Dutch Education Minister and mayor of the Hague â€" looked into 1,800
reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic
dioceses from 1945 to 2010. While the 1,100-page final report concluded
that tens of thousands of children had been abused over 40 years, it did
not delve into the castration claims, saying, "There were few leads for
further research."

The question now is how much the authorities knew about these activities
at the time and whether there has been a cover-up. Minutes of board
meetings held at the institutions show that government health inspectors
were sometimes present when decisions were made to castrate young boys
because of their "homosexual feelings." The minutes also reveal that the
heads of the institutions felt they were entitled to make such decisions
without consulting the boys' parents. "What lifts this from a level of
horrific crime to human-rights violation is what the politicians and the
police were doing," says Gauri van Gulik, a women's-rights advocate and
researcher for Europe and Central Asia at the New York Cityâ€"based Human
Rights Watch.

There are also allegations that the practice was known to politicians at
the highest level, including Victor Marijnen, who was Dutch Prime Minister
from 1963 to '65. In the 1950s, Marijnen was vice chairman of the Dutch
Catholic child-protection agency and chairman of the Gelderland children's
home where Heithuis and others were abused. In that capacity, he
intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests
convicted of abusing children by writing letters to the Queen on their
behalf. Marijnen was a member of the defunct Catholic People's Party,
which later merged with Protestant political parties to form the
conservative Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA).

(MORE: Vatican Gets Tough on Child Abuse, but Not Tough Enough)

Since Deetman, who headed the recent investigation into clergy abuse, is
also a CDA member, this has raised concerns about whether the inquiry
intentionally skipped over the potentially embarrassing role of one of the
party's leading figures. As Khadija Arib, an MP from the Dutch Labor
Party, says, it suggests a disturbing collusion. "We want the truth, the
whole truth to be unearthed. There are still many unanswered questions,
including the role of government institutions in the cover-up of this
abuse," she says. Deetman himself has refused to comment on the latest
allegations. "Mr. Deetman will provide an explanation at a hearing in
parliament," his spokesman says. However, the Catholic Church has
indicated it is willing to cooperate with any investigation into the
castration allegations, and it has already expressed "shame and sorrow" at
the child-abuse revelations that the emerged last year.

But Guid Klabbers, chairman of the Dutch association of clerical child
sex-abuse victims, says the church is not doing enough to atone for the
past. "There is a conspiracy between the Catholic elite and the Catholic
politicians in covering the crimes. That seems obvious," he says. Klabbers
says one of the reasons that the scandal has remained a secret for more
than half a century is because those involved fear ignominy in revealing
it. "We need more victims and witnesses to come forward," he says. "But
it's not easy to admit you have lost your [testicles]."
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

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