America, China, spiritual castes

[tabby]

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Easy guys. In all fairness, it is a question that has plagued our minds for a long time. To those who have been abused continually by Jack even when we have tried civility again and again, we often wonder why is it that Jack is never lectured or called out for any of the behaviors we are lectured for, except only by those being abused as well? Only when things have gotten ridiculous, and things are blatant and impossible to ignore, does someone with power behind their voice say anything. Things do seem to be slowly changing. I understand those of authority don't have a million eyes to spare keeping up with everyone and everything here.

What you're witnessing is the result of months and months, and for others years, of negative build up from this one person. This is a capped bottle that has been pressurized to death and needs release. We have felt for a while that the calling out of behavior is one sided, because there are ones who also engage in manipulation, word twisting, and lies, that defend Jack even when he is hurting others.

You know there's an SS girl in these forums who was unfairly gas lighted and abused by Jack under my sewing thread once. He used a post of hers to gas light and shame her, a post that told of her trauma as a female. He didn't have any care for what he said to her, and his excuses for his behavior were disingenuous and fabricated. You know who stood up for her and encouraged her to stay on the forums? Us. Jack nearly drove away a perfectly innocent SS girl and take her voice away from the forums, all because he firmly believed her to be "weak" and "attention seeking". She expressed that his comments can be discouraging to be in the forums.

Flash forward a year later, and nothing's changed. I am a living example of how he hasn't changed. If any of us behaved the way Jack does, we would be long gone with a ban. It's been stated before, people have been banned for less than the things Jack has done and still does. But he remains, and we are the ones told off. We are the reaction to something that was already there and already a brewing problem.

jrvan and I had once been in a cult. We are all too familiar with the kind of behavior that is being pulled by Jack. So it makes sense that those who have never experienced these tactics first hand and how it damages you and slowly gets inside your head and twists your reality, would think we are unbalanced in our judgement and simply dislike Jack because of ONLY personal issue.

Personal issues is one thing. This has gone long beyond that.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

I've been looking at my brothers in Satan not as healthy balanced individuals or working towards that, but as too far below on the ladder that I would rather not engage with any of them on a personal level at all.
Some individuals have shown to be different over time and as thus my view has changed a little.

Henu, you may think it rubbed you the wrong way, but this has been an issue that has been ongoing for years on end. It might not always have been obvious though...

Also some HPs have adressed certain things over time on the forums regarding this in a sermon or two - I am unsure of who it was specificly, out of the top of my head, so I won't name any.. - and I think that that was a good thing.

You've been around for some time, so I think you might know what I am speaking of.

Where is this entitlement coming from? You complain that male SS don’t act as your personal white knights in shining armor and then a paragraph later degrade them by saying that they are “too low on the ladder” for you, as if you are some queen miles above the rest of us. Grow up.

I’m so thankful to NOT be straight. Men are so simple. Simple to understand and simple to please (in my experience). Lots of the women have terrible attitudes and view men as disposable and say this loud and proud and then are confused as to why the men don’t have their backs or on a macro scale, want to be in relationships and Marry them.

Then so many wonder why the “mgtow” or “incel” is a thing. From my understanding it’s just men that are tired of being treated like dirt and decide to stop playing a game they can’t win. But I won’t pretend to understand all of the workings of heterosexual relations.

Some sort of weird and awkward guy like Elliot Rodger could have been normal and lived a good life if he had proper guidance and wasn’t beaten down so much by everyone. But instead he just kills a bunch of people. My point is that none of this happens for no reason, and maybe you should do some self reflection as to why men don’t come to defend you.

Since other people already quoted and said something.. I can't say nothing at all.

I have taken the time to think over what I should say and I've decided on the following:


You've completely misunderstood.

I mentioned in another post how people were promoting this kind of behavior, from men to men. And this kind of behavior is what has made me feel uncomfortable.

Brothers have not been correcting brothers. Instead they've often only been fueling that which is there.
Words have been used and spoken up about it against it, later on, but I still feel that those have still been misunderstood by many, which is proven by what you've just said.


However, the only thing I have SIMPLY been asking for, is HUMAN DECENCY.

Things like the above, show, that these people, are on the level of cockroaches.


I as a woman, no matter how many tries or attempts I make, will NOT be heard by those people, SIMPLY BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN.

I DO NOT WANT FILTH LIKE THAT IN MY HOUSE OR NEAR ME.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

Easy guys. In all fairness, it is a question that has plagued our minds for a long time. To those who have been abused continually by Jack even when we have tried civility again and again, we often wonder why is it that Jack is never lectured or called out for any of the behaviors we are lectured for, except only by those being abused as well? Only when things have gotten ridiculous, and things are blatant and impossible to ignore, does someone with power behind their voice say anything. Things do seem to be slowly changing. I understand those of authority don't have a million eyes to spare keeping up with everyone and everything here.

What you're witnessing is the result of months and months, and for others years, of negative build up from this one person. This is a capped bottle that has been pressurized to death and needs release. We have felt for a while that the calling out of behavior is one sided, because there are ones who also engage in manipulation, word twisting, and lies, that defend Jack even when he is hurting others.

You know there's an SS girl in these forums who was unfairly gas lighted and abused by Jack under my sewing thread once. He used a post of hers to gas light and shame her, a post that told of her trauma as a female. He didn't have any care for what he said to her, and his excuses for his behavior were disingenuous and fabricated. You know who stood up for her and encouraged her to stay on the forums? Us. Jack nearly drove away a perfectly innocent SS girl and take her voice away from the forums, all because he firmly believed her to be "weak" and "attention seeking". She expressed that his comments can be discouraging to be in the forums.

Flash forward a year later, and nothing's changed. I am a living example of how he hasn't changed. If any of us behaved the way Jack does, we would be long gone with a ban. It's been stated before, people have been banned for less than the things Jack has done and still does. But he remains, and we are the ones told off. We are the reaction to something that was already there and already a brewing problem.

jrvan and I had once been in a cult. We are all too familiar with the kind of behavior that is being pulled by Jack. So it makes sense that those who have never experienced these tactics first hand and how it damages you and slowly gets inside your head and twists your reality, would think we are unbalanced in our judgement and simply dislike Jack because of ONLY personal issue.

Personal issues is one thing. This has gone long beyond that.

I haven't publicly acknowledged it, but I have strong disdain for Jack's behavior on any topics related to woman. I do not know how much I can reveal exactly, but a ban had been on the table before.

I had brought up my concerns to HP HoodedCobra privately, while I avoided commenting publicly for the most part to avoid getting caught up in the controversial mess myself.

Jack was given chances because he has clarity on other subjects that are worthwhile, and thus it was determined he can remain in order to learn.

I had been under the impression that overall things weren't as bad at present than they had been a few years ago, thus it hasn't been addressed as much.

Most disagreements now that I see do seem to stem from pure disagreement rather than advocating falsehood by either party, except for a few things that were acknowledged.


What I do want to acknowledge is that it is not entirely one sided. It started one sidedly, but the mutual hatred and disagreement had been perpetuated from both sides even on unrelated topics. That is simply unnecessary.

Jrvan takes that attitude with him to other topics, and lacks balance himself, hence me addressing him at present.

That doesn't have anything to do with Jack and is entirely separate.

The things Jack has done in the past are not forgotten. It is known he had done harm, and has made it uncomfortable for SS sisters to post about their interests and topics they wish to discuss.

Personally I had not paid enough attention to him to see if this was still the case or not.

If it is, it must be addressed and cannot continue, in my opinion.

As I've said, please do report posts that stand out to you as being harmful. I know HP HoodedCobra takes those things seriously.

If nothing is reported, it can be easy to miss, since he does not have time to read all the posts on the forum.

Personally I had been unaware of the severity of these things lately, due to it going under my radar.

After reading it though, I am unconvinced that it is as serious at present as you say it is, but that doesn't mean nothing should be done about it.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I have seen the last posts from Jack, and in one of these threads he has started getting attacked for absolutely no reason, and even after the misunderstanding was pointed out he kept getting attacked. I think you're all exagerating, he may not be a perfect dude, and even shallow at time, but making him the object of your hate doesn't make you guys any more mentally balanced than him.

Okay, yeah dude we're all unhinged. This many people are delusional and have lost their minds. Now that we've established that, answer the question of why we get called out for it, but Jack doesn't. Why defend Jack, but not us? What is it about Jack? It's like he has you all under his spell. It's crazy.

I don't see how I'm under his spell, I have not agreed with him in certain things, and I see his mistakes, am I under his spell because I don't go on a crusade against him? You literally went out of your way to attack him in posts in which there was no reason to attack him. Disagreeing is one thing, and starting flame wars just because you don't like him is another one.

His wrong views don't reflect the JoS, he's an individual who is entitled to his own views just like you are to your views, and if you think he's a threat that's because you're giving him too much importance.
Even Daharkaan admitted that he has a biased view of him and he admitted to flaming just because he doesn't like him.
He's living in your mind for free 24/7, might aswell ask him for rent(which he won't pay) or get him out of there.

While I don't intend to continue debating this, you are simply ignoring the facts or distorting what has happened, and the reason why this is happening.


The reality is, and this is easily confirmed by simply re-reading threads, nobody here started anything against jack. Jack came in my thread twisting what I had said, calling me and everyone else in the thread retarded. He also went into a thread jrvan had started also twisting what he had said and just posting nonsense insults and pointless provocation. Jack is the one who goes into every thread made by someone he dislikes punching the keyboard treating everyone like garbage.

While I think jrvan should just let this go, he does raise a very good point that it's unbelievably hypocritical that people are being criticized for being mean to jack but there is no issue when jack is slamming that keyboard in every thread telling other members they are retarded or worthless for days at a time.

These are the two most recent examples and you're either turning a blind eye to reality or drinking the kool aid if you deny that it is jack who goes out of his way to belittle and provoke other members and start flame wars with everybody.

And it's reached the point where even if he doesn't post anything provocative he is still just going to get extreme hostility from all the people he has treated like shit before and this is justified. You don't get to treat other people like garbage for years and then expect to be respected by these same people you treated like shit.

It's why I say even if jack is a genuine SS (I doubt it) this is an important lesson for him. He creates enemies everywhere with his behavior and now that's coming back to bite him.

 

[Aquarius]

Okay, yeah dude we're all unhinged. This many people are delusional and have lost their minds. Now that we've established that, answer the question of why we get called out for it, but Jack doesn't. Why defend Jack, but not us? What is it about Jack? It's like he has you all under his spell. It's crazy.

I don't see how I'm under his spell, I have not agreed with him in certain things, and I see his mistakes, am I under his spell because I don't go on a crusade against him? You literally went out of your way to attack him in posts in which there was no reason to attack him. Disagreeing is one thing, and starting flame wars just because you don't like him is another one.

His wrong views don't reflect the JoS, he's an individual who is entitled to his own views just like you are to your views, and if you think he's a threat that's because you're giving him too much importance.
Even Daharkaan admitted that he has a biased view of him and he admitted to flaming just because he doesn't like him.
He's living in your mind for free 24/7, might aswell ask him for rent(which he won't pay) or get him out of there.

While I don't intend to continue debating this, you are simply ignoring the facts or distorting what has happened, and the reason why this is happening.


The reality is, and this is easily confirmed by simply re-reading threads, nobody here started anything against jack. Jack came in my thread twisting what I had said, calling me and everyone else in the thread retarded. He also went into a thread jrvan had started also twisting what he had said and just posting nonsense insults and pointless provocation. Jack is the one who goes into every thread made by someone he dislikes punching the keyboard treating everyone like garbage.

While I think jrvan should just let this go, he does raise a very good point that it's unbelievably hypocritical that people are being criticized for being mean to jack but there is no issue when jack is slamming that keyboard in every thread telling other members they are retarded or worthless for days at a time.

These are the two most recent examples and you're either turning a blind eye to reality or drinking the kool aid if you deny that it is jack who goes out of his way to belittle and provoke other members and start flame wars with everybody.

And it's reached the point where even if he doesn't post anything provocative he is still just going to get extreme hostility from all the people he has treated like shit before and this is justified. You don't get to treat other people like garbage for years and then expect to be respected by these same people you treated like shit.

It's why I say even if jack is a genuine SS (I doubt it) this is an important lesson for him. He creates enemies everywhere with his behavior and now that's coming back to bite him.

Alright, let's say he did act like that(I've checked recent posts, I'm not gonna go back and read more because at this point it becomes a waste of time), and if he did act like that then it was an inferior behaviour, does it justify people using an inferior behaviour now against him? Because as far as I know, we are SS, not normies that play:"He did that I'm gonna do that too!! :O"

These arguments are a literal waste of time.

 

[Henu the Great]

For one, I am not great with arguing. And understanding what goes on behind a mask of stone, is still completely beyond me.

I do not consider it a priority for me to read that deep into another person, when I've not yet reached the full depths of myself yet.

And that probably goes for many of us. I don't think anyone would consider improving their communication skills, until they've been met with issues regarding those.

Not many have super good skills to begin with, but everyone can learn and refine their skills regardless of their starting point. I would consider improving communication skills and resolving issues with communication to be very similar things. They fall into the same category, a major difference might be that they are under different subcategory.

Actually as a matter of fact, I did try to understand where Jack was actually coming from. In the first two times when there was a 'women positive' thread.
But I was met with totally unconnected arguments that were not even a single reflection of what could be an answer to my question.
It was more talking around the thing rather than answering it.

At this point I do not think it is my "lack of communication skills" but rather, other lacking understanding of what I was saying.

You need to understand that I am talking about a broader sense than you. I am talking about all bad behaviour, not singling anyone in particular out. The fact remains, that the developmental focus should still be considered, by all.

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Yes, abuse sucks. The reason those above it do not always recognize it is because they are not involved with it. At least not in any major way.

The only thing you have not tried is to shut down the trolls. I use the term troll, because it is a familiar concept to me as I have trolled people in online games in my early teens and I have also observed them on online forums during the same period doing their thing, baiting people. The same principle applies here. So from that perspective I can say to you that the more you feed the troll the more you encourage their behaviour to continue. Nothing is more juicy to the troll than to get reception and response, they will simply feed off of that and continue their play. The reason I said that this is internet, because this literally is internet. The same ignoring the troll apporoach would not be plausible to apply in the real world. It is much more complicated in there, but here you can simply not feed the troll and eventually they will lose interest and move on. Or on smaller scale when you see someone being a dick to you, do you have to address it every single time because "muh hurt feelings" or can you recognize that this is utter nonsense and move on.

I do recognize that this is much harder to women, or those of the feminine quality because of the downward trajectory of Humanity. Nevertheless, it does help to build you self esteem and confidence. Let those who fester on the lower spectrum fester and be better than them. It does not help you the get baited into draining exchanges in any way.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Alright, let's say he did act like that(I've checked recent posts, I'm not gonna go back and read more because at this point it becomes a waste of time), and if he did act like that then it was an inferior behaviour, does it justify people using an inferior behaviour now against him? Because as far as I know, we are SS, not normies that play:"He did that I'm gonna do that too!! :O"

These arguments are a literal waste of time.

Calling out terrible behavior is not in itself terrible behavior. And unlike jack I've twisted nothing that he has said, only pulling his statements to light and addressing them. Even doing so admitting that I have a bias against him at this point and my views may or may not be tainted by this bias.

As for behaving the same way, well. If someone punches you, you punch back. Nobody here is going to turn the other cheek so to say. Besides, I always had this philosophy that giving someone a taste of their own medicine is the best way to illustrate to them what they are doing, though admittedly this has proved ineffective. I think it's a waste of time too.

 

[Aquarius]

as I have trolled people in online games

as I have trolled people in online games in my early teens

I must admit that trolling people in videogames was often more fun than the game itself. For example in cod I would go to teammates who had carepackages and while they would wait for them in an angle I would block their way until someone killed us both, you have no idea how much trolling made me laugh :lol:

 

[Jrvan]

Actually your message here might as well be verbatim what the cult leaders told me in the past. Holy fucking shit dude. Disagreeing with something you say does not indicate a failure to grasp it. If you're going to take the arbiter role in this direction then I really will do the thing that you are wrongfully accusing me of, which is close my ears and eyes. I'm not impressed.

Why don't you read my words again carefully and see that I was leveling with you and being polite, respectful, and offering explanations. I was trying to meet in the middle and come to understanding together. You don't want common understanding then, you just want me to bow down, or in your words "humble myself." They said the exact same shit to me in the cult, "humble yourself and read carefully again my words over and over until you understand it." Oh I read carefully their words all right - right after I left their loony circle and brought my perceptions back to reality. And it was bullshit just like my instincts were originally telling me. But because I humbled myself and listened to those freaks, I lost myself and had to go through a lot of deprogramming on top of xian deprogramming.

Never again.

Your past experience created serious hangups in your mind, which clouds your judgement in the present.

You treat my words which challenge your ideas and understanding the same as the words of those idiots who harmed you in the past, when my words are of different meaning and intent.

Nowhere have I told you must listen to my word or that I do not tolerate disagreement. The fact you think so stems from the issue I brought up to you, that you only read what you want to read, not what it written.

You should learn to humble yourself, you see my comment as an insult or an unreasonable demand, when it isn't. The reason you see it in such a way, is because your perception is clouded by your past experience.

I humble myself in front of people whom I know are teaching and helping me understand things that I fail to grasp. I consider my own fault in things when someone finds fault with me, and I try always to see things from the different angles rather than purely my own personal opinions or ideas.

I see you struggle with that, therefore you project often your own perception on the words of others, from which stems the arguments you have with people.

To humble yourself is not a denigrating thing. I also humble myself before you when I read what you say, attempt to place myself in your shoes to understand things from your perspective before drawing my conclusions.

There are also moments where one should listen instead of judge. You may think it arrogant or something to hear me say this to you, however it is a fact of life that to learn you must be open to the words of others.

I shouldn't need to say this, however there is a difference when it is me saying such words, or some random crapshoot from a cult somewhere.

Past experience should not cloud your judgement of the present.


Sometimes directness is needed to bring across a necessary point, but I realize I was too direct with you, which came across too rash, I apologize for that.


Perhaps with the negative experience you have had, both with xianity and later with that cult, your mind is still clouded by the negative experience, which is what interferes with your ability to impartially judge what others say.

Detaching from those things isn't easy, but for your own advancement you need to realize how that dross affects your clarity, and focus on detaching from it first and foremost.


None of the things I tell you are to diminish you, or look down upon you, but to give you a perspective which you are missing at present due to the dross clouding your mind.

Hail Satan!

Even if what you said is true, and I worked through this alleged dross that is allegedly clouding my mind which is allegedly the reason why I can't understand your message to me... there's still this little matter. You only started addressing this with me after I revealed this bit of information:

Regardless, I do listen to you and your advice. I just don't always show that I listen, and it can seem like I'm arguing while ignoring good points even though that's not the case. I've been accused of that by people in the past who said to me "You didn't even listen to what I said." When actually I did listen, and I did keenly pay attention to every single point made and considered them. I just didn't agree with it, or didn't agree with fully 100% of it.

This failure to grasp the words of others stems from the fact you project your own ignorance upon the words of others, failing to grasp what it is that others tell you because you scrutinize it through a tinted lens.

This is why people do tell you that you do not read what they say to you, because you do not. You read what you want to read, not what is said.

You assumed that they were normal, reasonable people telling me these things. Now I have informed you that they weren't. But now you're still assuming that this is an issue for me, and that the cult leaders were correct in their assertion that I'm a bad listener and don't properly read things. Even though I do. I'm very considerate and thorough in reading and analyzing messages. There's not much that I miss. I've been reading nonstop since I was a little boy. Pretty much all I've ever done is read. My reading comprehension scores were way beyond my grade level for entry exams when I applied. There is no problem at all with my comprehension. I rarely miss things, and I also have no issue with trying to see things from a spiritual perspective which gets better for me all the time the more I learn and absorb from sermons. If my ability to perceive meaning was really so bogged down by dross then I wouldn't have gotten this far.

I don't know what else to say to you about this. This is a really oppressive argument because there's literally no way to prove what is in my mind and the depths of my understanding. You're declaring that the only reason why I'm not fully agreeing is because of mental dross. Whether you mean to undermine me and my message or not, it still has that effect. It's the same effect as if someone calls someone else crazy to discredit them. It's impossible to argue against this, especially with your higher position and trust in the organization which I acknowledge and respect. This seems irresponsible to me considering the context. If you had made this point to me in private or in a separate thread to try to help me out of genuine concern then it would be one thing, but this is like writing me off in an argument even if that's not your intent.

We have to stop thinking strictly and exclusively with logic. Sometimes you have to consider things from a different lens. You call that lens tinted, but I just think of it as a different angle. More than one angle can be valid and true at the same time, and often times they are. I was leveling with you and acknowledging that your side of this was true and valid, but also trying to have my side of this examined and considered by presenting it as best as I can because I believe it is also true and valid. It's also like how I acknowledge many of Jack's points as valid, but I also make my arguments against the part of it that isn't true (even if it seems like I'm attacking the whole of the message which I'm not and I take a few extra strides to try to show that I'm not).

Also, even if it doesn't look like I am, I do humble myself when speaking to my betters such as the High Priest and JoS Guardians, people who have won my respect and shown their level of spirituality and understanding, and certainly the Gods. This also includes you because I trust your opinion and hold it in high regard. You say many great things that put me in awe. I don't stop this from letting me question and challenge certain things though, and when I do I try to be respectful. I also try my best not to step on toes. Even highly adept people can sometimes be wrong about something. None of us are perfect, and all of us - no matter who we are - can always find more and more room to improve every single day. The Demons too are still learning and advancing every day, and they're eons ahead of us. I don't believe anyone ever stops being students of life. I also think even betters can learn from those beneath them sometimes, even if just through observation. Can anyone say that they never learned anything from an ant? Everyone has something to teach, and we can all learn from each other. I find that beautiful.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

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I see now why all the conversations you have end up going off on useless tangents and arguments for no good reason. I almost fell in that pace myself, until I wondered how things ended up here and I went back and read what we were originally speaking about.

You have a knack for bringing in irrelevant subject matter which entirely deviates from the topic at hand in order to avoid answering the subject at hand, going of on tangents that are unrelated. Combined with how you make everything personal and about you, drawing the perspective away from the big picture in order to shrink the scale and draw people into your pace, which you then use to establish the personal opinions you wish to spin the narrative around.

Now that I see it, I understand why everything you speak about with others derails without fail.


you needlessly argue about things with everyone, and make things personal when they do not have to be. Recognize this, and see how you seek out arguments with others because you have an intrinsic need to convince others of your opinion, and put too great a value on your own opinion in contrast to that of others.

The original point was this:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=343861#p343861

Everything I told you there applies more so than ever. Whether you set your ego aside and learn from that or not is up to you.

 

[Mastermind]

There could be a technical solution to the fighting.

One has to be free to express negative things and criticisms but these should not outnumber the positives. It is my opinion that this forum should to be a net positive place.

My idea is to delay negative posts by 3 days or more.
If someone is going to make a negative or critical post, they have to flag it as such and mods won't publish it until 3 days have passed.
This would take away the incentive of the trolls as they won't be receiving instant gratification from trolling others.
Constructive criticisms will still go through, just delayed by three days. The target of the criticism/negative energies will have the possibility to defend themselves immediately if they wish to do so.
There could be other mechanisms as well, like limiting the amount of negative posts per week or increasing the delay for those that have only negative things to say.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

as I have trolled people in online games

as I have trolled people in online games in my early teens

I must admit that trolling people in videogames was often more fun than the game itself. For example in cod I would go to teammates who had carepackages and while they would wait for them in an angle I would block their way until someone killed us both, you have no idea how much trolling made me laugh :lol:

Oh man, don't get me started on that... Trolling is too much fun. Your example reminds me of when I played Battlefield 4 on the Xbox at a friend's house. At the time, you couldn't kick people from a game. I would spam the A button on the helicopter spawn so I would spawn into the pilot seat, right when the helicopter spawned.

Then a bunch of people from my team would pile in as well. I would then take off and fly off the map, suiciding myself and my teammates. Then, I would repeat the process by spamming A from the spawn menu, ensuring I got the helicopter pilot seat again. Repeat nonstop lol.

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Another story is from the game Squad. I don't know if you have played it, but it is a realistic, team-based shooter. I would play with my friend and we would be walking with our squad to the next objective. He and I would then pick a random direction and start shooting at it, acting like we saw enemies. We would pick machinegunner roles, or otherwise, shoot our guns frantically, making it sound like sudden chaos.

It's the type of game where doing that thing confuses the heck out of everyone. It would also give away our position and waste a bunch of ammo. The funniest part is when the squad leader realizes that there are two bumbling retards in his squad and gives up on performing well in the battle.

We would also shoot at our teammates from a distance, forcing them to run for cover, then waste their time trying to figure out what happened.

 

[Aquarius]

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as I have trolled people in online games

as I have trolled people in online games in my early teens

I must admit that trolling people in videogames was often more fun than the game itself. For example in cod I would go to teammates who had carepackages and while they would wait for them in an angle I would block their way until someone killed us both, you have no idea how much trolling made me laugh :lol:

Oh man, don't get me started on that... Trolling is too much fun. Your example reminds me of when I played Battlefield 4 on the Xbox at a friend's house. At the time, you couldn't kick people from a game. I would spam the A button on the helicopter spawn so I would spawn into the pilot seat, right when the helicopter spawned.

Then a bunch of people from my team would pile in as well. I would then take off and fly off the map, suiciding myself and my teammates. Then, I would repeat the process by spamming A from the spawn menu, ensuring I got the helicopter pilot seat again. Repeat nonstop lol.

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Another story is from the game Squad. I don't know if you have played it, but it is a realistic, team-based shooter. I would play with my friend and we would be walking with our squad to the next objective. He and I would then pick a random direction and start shooting at it, acting like we saw enemies. We would pick machinegunner roles, or otherwise, shoot our guns frantically, making it sound like sudden chaos.

It's the type of game where doing that thing confuses the heck out of everyone. It would also give away our position and waste a bunch of ammo. The funniest part is when the squad leader realizes that there are two bumbling retards in his squad and gives up on performing well in the battle.

We would also shoot at our teammates from a distance, forcing them to run for cover, then waste their time trying to figure out what happened.

Lmao.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

There could be a technical solution to the fighting.

One has to be free to express negative things and criticisms but these should not outnumber the positives. It is my opinion that this forum should to be a net positive place.

My idea is to delay negative posts by 3 days or more.
If someone is going to make a negative or critical post, they have to flag it as such and mods won't publish it until 3 days have passed.
This would take away the incentive of the trolls as they won't be receiving instant gratification from trolling others.
Constructive criticisms will still go through, just delayed by three days. The target of the criticism/negative energies will have the possibility to defend themselves immediately if they wish to do so.
There could be other mechanisms as well, like limiting the amount of negative posts per week or increasing the delay for those that have only negative things to say.

If you do that, arguments and the like will most likely only get dragged on for months instead of being finished within a week.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

I as a woman, no matter how many tries or attempts I make, will NOT be heard by those people, SIMPLY BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN.

I DO NOT WANT FILTH LIKE THAT IN MY HOUSE OR NEAR ME.

I am not able to believe that this is in any way as common as you make it seem. Maybe in real life you live near muslims or something like that that just hate women. But here on this website, I am not able to believe this. There have been some infiltrator jews here before that hated women, because they hate all humans. And of the several hundreds of accounts here, there may be like 2 or 3 of them that actually don't like women because they are weak and worthless men. But I think you have a habit of thinking that every disagreement is because you are a woman, or thinking that anybody who disagrees with you about anything is only doing it because they don't like women. And then I think that believing this makes you more upset because you think nobody likes women.

I think that this is completely ridiculous and untrue. Maybe it has happened a couple times years ago and I didn't notice it, that people have treated you bad just because you are a woman. But I have never seen this. And if it did happen, it was most likely some jew infiltrator anyway so you can't really blame that on us. And then you are blaming every single man here just because a single man disagreed with you about one thing?

The basic fact is that everybody sometimes disagrees with everybody else about all kinds of things. And some people are going to disagree with you sometimes, and some people are going to have different opinions. And this is true for all humans. People disagree with me pretty often, and there is no sexism involved. I have never thought about that the person disagreeing with me is a woman so she must hate me for being a man, or the person disagreeing with me is a man so he doesn't hate me for being a man. Because that has nothing to do with anything. It is ideas, statements, or opinions that people disagree with, and the same people would disagree with the same idea regardless of who says it. And these people are not disagreeing with a woman, they are just disagreeing with something that she said. Just like how they disagree with something that a man said too.

And most of all disagreements here are men arguing with other men. It is much more uncommon for someone to disagree with something a woman says here. So obviously the intention is not to be hating women or to be purposefully disagreeing with them just because they are women.


You are one of the few people here that I have some of the highest respect for. With thousands of comments that you have written, I have agreed completely with basically all of them. And in all these years, there have probably only been less than 5 things that you ever said that I disagreed with. And I think every one of those times, you have answered writing about how people are only wanting to disagree with you just because you are a woman, and even accusing me of this intention. This is just plain bullshit. If I disliked you for being a woman, then why would I agree completely with 99.999% of all things you say?

Nobody in the world has the right for nobody to ever disagree with anything they say. And you can't just use "I'm a woman" as a shield or an excuse whenever the rare time is that somebody does disagree with you. This is just a way for you to shut down the entire discussion and refuse to address what the actual disagreement was.

 

[Jrvan]

...

I see now why all the conversations you have end up going off on useless tangents and arguments for no good reason. I almost fell in that pace myself, until I wondered how things ended up here and I went back and read what we were originally speaking about.

You have a knack for bringing in irrelevant subject matter which entirely deviates from the topic at hand in order to avoid answering the subject at hand, going of on tangents that are unrelated. Combined with how you make everything personal and about you, drawing the perspective away from the big picture in order to shrink the scale and draw people into your pace, which you then use to establish the personal opinions you wish to spin the narrative around.

Now that I see it, I understand why everything you speak about with others derails without fail.


you needlessly argue about things with everyone, and make things personal when they do not have to be. Recognize this, and see how you seek out arguments with others because you have an intrinsic need to convince others of your opinion, and put too great a value on your own opinion in contrast to that of others.

The original point was this:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=343861#p343861

Everything I told you there applies more so than ever. Whether you set your ego aside and learn from that or not is up to you.

AKA it hurts and sucks to be misunderstood and have people lie about you. Successful communication requires understanding on both sides.
And of course I'm the one responsible, and it couldn't possibly be other people causing the problems. No, it's absolutely vital that the problem has to be ME! That's your dogma here. Problem = jrvan.

Whatever. Like I said, you're convinced of your perception of me. You're the exact same way here that you're accusing me of. I'm not even going to bother trying to vindicate myself of your cruel charges because 1. you don't care, and 2. I'm finally seeing what you mean about it being a waste of time. Communication is a two way street, and if one party won't listen to the other even though you make an effort to listen to them and be courteous and considerate then you really are wasting your breath.

You tell me to self examine, but maybe you should too.

K bye.

 

[Jrvan]

I as a woman, no matter how many tries or attempts I make, will NOT be heard by those people, SIMPLY BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN.

I DO NOT WANT FILTH LIKE THAT IN MY HOUSE OR NEAR ME.

I am not able to believe that this is in any way as common as you make it seem. Maybe in real life you live near muslims or something like that that just hate women. But here on this website, I am not able to believe this. There have been some infiltrator jews here before that hated women, because they hate all humans. And of the several hundreds of accounts here, there may be like 2 or 3 of them that actually don't like women because they are weak and worthless men. But I think you have a habit of thinking that every disagreement is because you are a woman, or thinking that anybody who disagrees with you about anything is only doing it because they don't like women. And then I think that believing this makes you more upset because you think nobody likes women.

I think that this is completely ridiculous and untrue. Maybe it has happened a couple times years ago and I didn't notice it, that people have treated you bad just because you are a woman. But I have never seen this. And if it did happen, it was most likely some jew infiltrator anyway so you can't really blame that on us. And then you are blaming every single man here just because a single man disagreed with you about one thing?

The basic fact is that everybody sometimes disagrees with everybody else about all kinds of things. And some people are going to disagree with you sometimes, and some people are going to have different opinions. And this is true for all humans. People disagree with me pretty often, and there is no sexism involved. I have never thought about that the person disagreeing with me is a woman so she must hate me for being a man, or the person disagreeing with me is a man so he doesn't hate me for being a man. Because that has nothing to do with anything. It is ideas, statements, or opinions that people disagree with, and the same people would disagree with the same idea regardless of who says it. And these people are not disagreeing with a woman, they are just disagreeing with something that she said. Just like how they disagree with something that a man said too.

And most of all disagreements here are men arguing with other men. It is much more uncommon for someone to disagree with something a woman says here. So obviously the intention is not to be hating women or to be purposefully disagreeing with them just because they are women.


You are one of the few people here that I have some of the highest respect for. With thousands of comments that you have written, I have agreed completely with basically all of them. And in all these years, there have probably only been less than 5 things that you ever said that I disagreed with. And I think every one of those times, you have answered writing about how people are only wanting to disagree with you just because you are a woman, and even accusing me of this intention. This is just plain bullshit. If I disliked you for being a woman, then why would I agree completely with 99.999% of all things you say?

Nobody in the world has the right for nobody to ever disagree with anything they say. And you can't just use "I'm a woman" as a shield or an excuse whenever the rare time is that somebody does disagree with you. This is just a way for you to shut down the entire discussion and refuse to address what the actual disagreement was.

It's not about the disagreement. If you don't get it then you don't get it. *shrug*

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

I see now why all the conversations you have end up going off on useless tangents and arguments for no good reason. I almost fell in that pace myself, until I wondered how things ended up here and I went back and read what we were originally speaking about.

You have a knack for bringing in irrelevant subject matter which entirely deviates from the topic at hand in order to avoid answering the subject at hand, going of on tangents that are unrelated. Combined with how you make everything personal and about you, drawing the perspective away from the big picture in order to shrink the scale and draw people into your pace, which you then use to establish the personal opinions you wish to spin the narrative around.

Bingo. It is impossible to have a discussion with him. Because he says that a point is wrong, so then I spend time explaining that point better, giving more information behind it, and showing how it works. Then he just ignores everything I just said looking like he never read it, and brings up another completely unrelated thing. So then I try to explain the new thing, and I also repeat explaining the old thing because he skipped over that. And I try to show everything as clearly as I can with a very large amount of detail, to try to prevent any kind of misunderstanding and fill in all gaps. And then he brings in all kinds of personal stuff, acting like everything is personal against him and I am only arguing because it is him. And I'm saying no, this is the statement that I disagreed with and the reason why I disagree with it and I would disagree the same way if it was said by anybody else. So this is how the entire thing just turns into a mess, and then it ends by him and his wife accusing me of creating the mess and I am a bad guy and I only argue because I don't like them, and everyone is always picking on them unjustifiably.

No, I do actually like both of them. I like Tabby much better because she is actually reasonable. But I do not dislike either of them. My only intention is that I am trying to have a discussion and I am trying to explain and clarify how something works, and mostly jrvan but somewhat both of them are just not able to have a continuous logical discussion. They just jump around to all kinds of unrelated nonsense, and refuse to acknowledge the actual thing that you are explaining. They try to turn everything into an emotional thing, or accuse it of just being personal. And when I explain how I am trying to logically explain something, and that I have been using facts and logical arguments the entire time, they just ignore all of it and say not everything is logical and that illogical emotional reactions are just as valid as logical facts.

I am not fighting anyone, I am not against anyone, and my only intention is that I am only trying to tell the truth. But they refuse to listen because they think that it's a fight and they think that anybody who disagrees with them is an enemy.

I do like them and I think both of them are good people, but I just don't like some of the things they do. And I have to be very clear that I do like them because they want to accuse everything of being personal. But when both of them together have been involved in more different arguments than anybody else, and every time it follows this same pattern, it is something that people notice. It is not personal, but it is just something that they do. But you can't mention anybody doing anything wrong without them saying you're making it personal. Yes, this is a repeating pattern of behaviour that has been noticed and mentioned by many different people. It is not some imaginary thing that people are making up because they don't like them. Jrvan even admitted that he purposefully likes to start arguments with people that he thinks are bad so that it will waste their time and prevent the bad guy from being bad to anyone else. So maybe this is a good intention, and I can't say that the intention is bad. But how it looks to everybody else is they notice that this guy is always going around starting arguments, and that almost every argument that happens coincidentally has jrvan and Tabby in the middle of it. There is no reason for it to be like this.

 

[Jrvan]

Pretty sure I figured out what the real issue is here, and what my Mercury related karma is about. I used to have daydreams when I was younger about being framed or persecuted in a court even though I was innocent, and the charges were obviously false. The judge and all wouldn't listen to me, didn't care what I said or how well I presented my case because it didn't matter. They had already made up their minds about me before I even made my case, and already decided that I was guilty. It was straight up kangaroo court.

I believe this happened to me in a past life, and it was so traumatic that it stuck with me. Obviously it must have been fucking jews lying about me in that court or whatever, and decided to throw the book at me just because. The daydreams always ended with me raging and killing the judge, and then fending off and killing the police, getting my own justice because the system let me down. Then it would go full action movie mode, I would escape using a hostage, climb out a window, steal a vehicle, and make a get away with helicopters and all chasing me.

This karma is being played out on the forums right now. I realize this now. I regret making the forums my karmic playground like this, and I apologize to everyone caught up in it. There are definitely bigger issues here than just me that should have been addressed long ago, and it's a shame that it took these colossal efforts to give voice to them and achieve understanding. Is what it is, I guess. NakedPluto and others prescribed the solution ages ago, which is simply for everyone to meditate and advance themselves. This will bring greater understanding and awareness to all of us.

 

[Stormblood]

" post_id=344087 time=1649780317 user_id=21286]

as I have trolled people in online games

as I have trolled people in online games in my early teens

I must admit that trolling people in videogames was often more fun than the game itself. For example in cod I would go to teammates who had carepackages and while they would wait for them in an angle I would block their way until someone killed us both, you have no idea how much trolling made me laugh :lol:

Oh man, don't get me started on that... Trolling is too much fun. Your example reminds me of when I played Battlefield 4 on the Xbox at a friend's house. At the time, you couldn't kick people from a game. I would spam the A button on the helicopter spawn so I would spawn into the pilot seat, right when the helicopter spawned.

Then a bunch of people from my team would pile in as well. I would then take off and fly off the map, suiciding myself and my teammates. Then, I would repeat the process by spamming A from the spawn menu, ensuring I got the helicopter pilot seat again. Repeat nonstop lol.

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Another story is from the game Squad. I don't know if you have played it, but it is a realistic, team-based shooter. I would play with my friend and we would be walking with our squad to the next objective. He and I would then pick a random direction and start shooting at it, acting like we saw enemies. We would pick machinegunner roles, or otherwise, shoot our guns frantically, making it sound like sudden chaos.

It's the type of game where doing that thing confuses the heck out of everyone. It would also give away our position and waste a bunch of ammo. The funniest part is when the squad leader realizes that there are two bumbling retards in his squad and gives up on performing well in the battle.

We would also shoot at our teammates from a distance, forcing them to run for cover, then waste their time trying to figure out what happened.

In a MMORPG I used to play 7 years ago (Grand Fantasia), there would often be players in a healer class that named their character "HealYourself" and similar. Some of them would even refuse healing others in dungeons and group stuff lol

 

[Jrvan]

I see now why all the conversations you have end up going off on useless tangents and arguments for no good reason. I almost fell in that pace myself, until I wondered how things ended up here and I went back and read what we were originally speaking about.

You have a knack for bringing in irrelevant subject matter which entirely deviates from the topic at hand in order to avoid answering the subject at hand, going of on tangents that are unrelated. Combined with how you make everything personal and about you, drawing the perspective away from the big picture in order to shrink the scale and draw people into your pace, which you then use to establish the personal opinions you wish to spin the narrative around.

Bingo. It is impossible to have a discussion with him. Because he says that a point is wrong, so then I spend time explaining that point better, giving more information behind it, and showing how it works. Then he just ignores everything I just said looking like he never read it, and brings up another completely unrelated thing. So then I try to explain the new thing, and I also repeat explaining the old thing because he skipped over that. And I try to show everything as clearly as I can with a very large amount of detail, to try to prevent any kind of misunderstanding and fill in all gaps. And then he brings in all kinds of personal stuff, acting like everything is personal against him and I am only arguing because it is him. And I'm saying no, this is the statement that I disagreed with and the reason why I disagree with it and I would disagree the same way if it was said by anybody else. So this is how the entire thing just turns into a mess, and then it ends by him and his wife accusing me of creating the mess and I am a bad guy and I only argue because I don't like them, and everyone is always picking on them unjustifiably.

No, I do actually like both of them. I like Tabby much better because she is actually reasonable. But I do not dislike either of them. My only intention is that I am trying to have a discussion and I am trying to explain and clarify how something works, and mostly jrvan but somewhat both of them are just not able to have a continuous logical discussion. They just jump around to all kinds of unrelated nonsense, and refuse to acknowledge the actual thing that you are explaining. They try to turn everything into an emotional thing, or accuse it of just being personal. And when I explain how I am trying to logically explain something, and that I have been using facts and logical arguments the entire time, they just ignore all of it and say not everything is logical and that illogical emotional reactions are just as valid as logical facts.

I am not fighting anyone, I am not against anyone, and my only intention is that I am only trying to tell the truth. But they refuse to listen because they think that it's a fight and they think that anybody who disagrees with them is an enemy.

I do like them and I think both of them are good people, but I just don't like some of the things they do. And I have to be very clear that I do like them because they want to accuse everything of being personal. But when both of them together have been involved in more different arguments than anybody else, and every time it follows this same pattern, it is something that people notice. It is not personal, but it is just something that they do. But you can't mention anybody doing anything wrong without them saying you're making it personal. Yes, this is a repeating pattern of behaviour that has been noticed and mentioned by many different people. It is not some imaginary thing that people are making up because they don't like them. Jrvan even admitted that he purposefully likes to start arguments with people that he thinks are bad so that it will waste their time and prevent the bad guy from being bad to anyone else. So maybe this is a good intention, and I can't say that the intention is bad. But how it looks to everybody else is they notice that this guy is always going around starting arguments, and that almost every argument that happens coincidentally has jrvan and Tabby in the middle of it. There is no reason for it to be like this.

I have the same message for you that I gave to VoE: look in the damn mirror. It's not about me not listening or misunderstanding you. I also think you might have something similar to what I just mentioned about my Mercury karma.

K bye.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Elliot Rodger, the guy who murdered women because they wouldn't have sex with him? You're making excuses for that degenerate shithead?

Do you think this is a real thing? Do you genuinely believe that someone like him (who had a good and easy life) just suddenly decides to wake up and kill women because they didn’t have sex with him (he killed men too btw). That’s absurd. It’s not real and it doesn’t happen.

You can’t just act like CNN and blame everything on “mgtow” or “white supremacy” or “Jack the good guy” when you can’t even begin to understand these things and the people that are a part of it.

Or are you saying that women have to murder a bunch of people for you to sympathize with them and defend them?

Maybe not murder a bunch of people but yes I would like to see these strong and independent and women fight some of their own battles since that’s what they fought for to begin with in feminism. Right?

Mgtow is a thing because jews spearheaded the movement. Do you think your idols like Sandman and Thinking Ape give a single shit about you or any other men? They don't think of men as allies either, they're just exploiting their gullible angry audience. Incel is a thing because this society raises boys now instead of men, and that is also caused by the jews in many ways with many factors.

How can I be mgtow when I very much enjoy the presence of men. I don’t know who those people are but the fact that they manage to enrage so many people is funny to me. You don’t have to listen if you don’t want to.

I can't understand men who refuse to protect their women, or turn their backs on them. That makes no sense to me.

I can completely. Because they feel that women have done the same to them (wether that’s true or false)

Even homosexuals should know better that females carry the future, and if not for them then there would be no society for us all to exist in and none of us would be alive. They give us our precious beautiful bodies for our souls to exist in and advance as souls. That's why it's called the gift of childbirth.

This would apply generations ago but what are women doing now? They turn 40 and choose not to have children and just sit around the house doing Percocet and drinking and white wine and eventually dying alone.

You're going to need to work to resolve and make peace with these issues inside yourself sooner or later. You're invested in these things internally, and it will be better for you if you are able to move on from those particular battles and advance yourself and your life forward.

I used to, regrettably, be invested in the mgtow movement myself. I made all kinds of excuses for it, and I thought it was all the collective fault of women and single mothers and society for why I couldn't develop properly and be a happy, functioning male embracing my natural male essence and roles and ways of being. I felt abandoned by society, and angry at women for raising men a certain way and blaming us for everything, and being scared of us as if we're monsters just because we have testosterone and aggression. I couldn't even look fondly at a baby in a carriage or a child with their mother without the mother giving me a dirty look as if I was a creep. I felt devalued and unwanted, and like I shouldn't have been born, or that maybe I would have a happier life if I had been born a girl, or this or that.

But now I have knowledge and greater perspective. I know who caused this, and I know it will end when the jews are exposed and rightfully blamed instead of men. Men get blamed for everything that jews do, and our women in society are afraid of us. They think we are rapey by nature when that's not true. Our women are supposed to feel safe around us, not fear us. It doesn't help to vindicate men if they act and talk like the jews and continue to follow their jewish teachings though. Men have rejected females and treated them like trash for thousands of years under jewish guidance and influence, and men now need to make peace with females and the Divine feminine.

At the end of the day we are all humans, both males and females are humans. Males and females of humanity are not a different species. We deserve to be treated with basic respect and dignity. This comes natural to us when jews aren't around, and when we aren't influenced by jewish ways of thinking and being.

Sure buddy.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

All I can say is that it's pretty obvious that Jack and most of the people who really extremely hate him all have the exact same serious problem. All of them are completely emotionally unable to deal with anybody disagreeing with them. So a small stupid disagreement automatically has to turn into a permanent infinite hatred. None of them are able to accept when anybody else has a different perspective about anything, and every little disagreement about anything is assumed to be a very personal attack on themself.

Dahaarkan is not one of these people. He is a good and rational guy, and he has good and rational logical reasons to hate Jack. All the rest of these people are just uncontrollable emotional reactions. Like a forest fire of hating. And they allow these emotional reactions to be uncontrolled because they think that the intention is good. Which I do believe that the intention is good, I cannot say that any of these people are wrong or have bad intentions. But they do not have control of themselves, they are not capable of regulating their emotions, and in general they do not think that is very important to be logical.

The more logical, rational, or self controlled people are all saying the same thing. Yes, Jack has had a very shitty attitude sometimes and he has overreacted before and said some very bad things to people. And other people have also had a very shitty attitude before and said some very bad things to Jack. And in both directions, it has happened in times and in situations that were not deserved. In both directions, there have been innocent and good comments that were answered by pure undeserved hatred. Jack has been extremely helpful with some of the things he has shared. He also has been extremely shitty to some people some times. But almost all of the topics people use as a reason to hate Jack were not even anything bad and they were just mild differences in opinion about something, and neither side has actually acted bad in most of those situations.

But these people are clouded by uncontrolled emotion that does not allow them to accurately remember what these situations were like. For these people, there is not allowed to be any logical disagreement where it is understood that both people have good intentions and both people have an idea of what the truth is, and they can both logically go through the facts and find the real truth somewhere in the middle. Their minds just do not work like this. Because a logical mindset is stupid and is not valid for everybody, and it is better to exist only as a series of automatic emotional reactions with no regulation by feedback from logical facts. And any slight disagreement about where the truth is means that the other person is an enemy and must be destroyed completely.


I am not saying that all of this is applying to anyone. I am not saying that anybody necessarily fits all of this pattern, or that anybody fits it as strongly as I have described. What I described can be thought of like the extreme end of a spectrum, and my only point is that many of these people seem to fit with some shade of this larger pattern. And people will not have all of these features, they might just have some amount of one of these pieces. And I am not "supporting Jack" because I think he has a lot of this pattern.

And anybody who would accuse anybody of "supporting Jack," you can be sure that you yourself is fitting the pattern I described. Because you see anybody who disagrees with you as an enemy who must be destroyed, even to the point where anybody who does not have the exact same level of hate as you yourself have must also be an enemy, and this is the reason why you would lump them together with the target of your hate. To see all people as being part of some enemy army for you to hate.

And I also gotta say that Dahaarkan really does not fit any of this. He is the exact opposite of the pattern I described. He is a logical, rational, and good person who is not ruled by uncontrolled emotional reactions. And he has some of the highest amount of patience of anyone I've ever seen, the amount of dumb shit people say about him that he ignores.

 

[Mastermind]

All I can say is that it's pretty obvious that Jack and most of the people who really extremely hate him all have the exact same serious problem. All of them are completely emotionally unable to deal with anybody disagreeing with them. So a small stupid disagreement automatically has to turn into a permanent infinite hatred. None of them are able to accept when anybody else has a different perspective about anything, and every little disagreement about anything is assumed to be a very personal attack on themself.

Dahaarkan is not one of these people. He is a good and rational guy, and he has good and rational logical reasons to hate Jack. All the rest of these people are just uncontrollable emotional reactions. Like a forest fire of hating. And they allow these emotional reactions to be uncontrolled because they think that the intention is good. Which I do believe that the intention is good, I cannot say that any of these people are wrong or have bad intentions. But they do not have control of themselves, they are not capable of regulating their emotions, and in general they do not think that is very important to be logical.

The more logical, rational, or self controlled people are all saying the same thing. Yes, Jack has had a very shitty attitude sometimes and he has overreacted before and said some very bad things to people. And other people have also had a very shitty attitude before and said some very bad things to Jack. And in both directions, it has happened in times and in situations that were not deserved. In both directions, there have been innocent and good comments that were answered by pure undeserved hatred. Jack has been extremely helpful with some of the things he has shared. He also has been extremely shitty to some people some times. But almost all of the topics people use as a reason to hate Jack were not even anything bad and they were just mild differences in opinion about something, and neither side has actually acted bad in most of those situations.

But these people are clouded by uncontrolled emotion that does not allow them to accurately remember what these situations were like. For these people, there is not allowed to be any logical disagreement where it is understood that both people have good intentions and both people have an idea of what the truth is, and they can both logically go through the facts and find the real truth somewhere in the middle. Their minds just do not work like this. Because a logical mindset is stupid and is not valid for everybody, and it is better to exist only as a series of automatic emotional reactions with no regulation by feedback from logical facts. And any slight disagreement about where the truth is means that the other person is an enemy and must be destroyed completely.


I am not saying that all of this is applying to anyone. I am not saying that anybody necessarily fits all of this pattern, or that anybody fits it as strongly as I have described. What I described can be thought of like the extreme end of a spectrum, and my only point is that many of these people seem to fit with some shade of this larger pattern. And people will not have all of these features, they might just have some amount of one of these pieces. And I am not "supporting Jack" because I think he has a lot of this pattern.

And anybody who would accuse anybody of "supporting Jack," you can be sure that you yourself is fitting the pattern I described. Because you see anybody who disagrees with you as an enemy who must be destroyed, even to the point where anybody who does not have the exact same level of hate as you yourself have must also be an enemy, and this is the reason why you would lump them together with the target of your hate. To see all people as being part of some enemy army for you to hate.

And I also gotta say that Dahaarkan really does not fit any of this. He is the exact opposite of the pattern I described. He is a logical, rational, and good person who is not ruled by uncontrolled emotional reactions. And he has some of the highest amount of patience of anyone I've ever seen, the amount of dumb shit people say about him that he ignores.

From my POV, your post is gaslighting.

 

[Jrvan]

I've been looking at my brothers in Satan not as healthy balanced individuals or working towards that, but as too far below on the ladder that I would rather not engage with any of them on a personal level at all.
Some individuals have shown to be different over time and as thus my view has changed a little.

Henu, you may think it rubbed you the wrong way, but this has been an issue that has been ongoing for years on end. It might not always have been obvious though...

Also some HPs have adressed certain things over time on the forums regarding this in a sermon or two - I am unsure of who it was specificly, out of the top of my head, so I won't name any.. - and I think that that was a good thing.

You've been around for some time, so I think you might know what I am speaking of.

Where is this entitlement coming from? You complain that male SS don’t act as your personal white knights in shining armor and then a paragraph later degrade them by saying that they are “too low on the ladder” for you, as if you are some queen miles above the rest of us. Grow up.

I’m so thankful to NOT be straight. Men are so simple. Simple to understand and simple to please (in my experience). Lots of the women have terrible attitudes and view men as disposable and say this loud and proud and then are confused as to why the men don’t have their backs or on a macro scale, want to be in relationships and Marry them.

Then so many wonder why the “mgtow” or “incel” is a thing. From my understanding it’s just men that are tired of being treated like dirt and decide to stop playing a game they can’t win. But I won’t pretend to understand all of the workings of heterosexual relations.

Some sort of weird and awkward guy like Elliot Rodger could have been normal and lived a good life if he had proper guidance and wasn’t beaten down so much by everyone. But instead he just kills a bunch of people. My point is that none of this happens for no reason, and maybe you should do some self reflection as to why men don’t come to defend you.

Since other people already quoted and said something.. I can't say nothing at all.

I have taken the time to think over what I should say and I've decided on the following:


You've completely misunderstood.

I mentioned in another post how people were promoting this kind of behavior, from men to men. And this kind of behavior is what has made me feel uncomfortable.

Brothers have not been correcting brothers. Instead they've often only been fueling that which is there.
Words have been used and spoken up about it against it, later on, but I still feel that those have still been misunderstood by many, which is proven by what you've just said.


However, the only thing I have SIMPLY been asking for, is HUMAN DECENCY.

Things like the above, show, that these people, are on the level of cockroaches.


I as a woman, no matter how many tries or attempts I make, will NOT be heard by those people, SIMPLY BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN.

I DO NOT WANT FILTH LIKE THAT IN MY HOUSE OR NEAR ME.

It's the autopilot tendency for so many males to see any sort of kindness as weakness. Softness = weakness in their minds. I'm so absolutely sick of it. They don't even realize that it's a jewish mindset ingrained into boys since childhood.

This is why they don't take women seriously. Because women are often harmonious communicators who will yield a little bit in a discussion and hope that the other side will too, which is also simply called compromise. It's good manners for the other side to reciprocate this gesture. The tendency is to care more about the human beings involved and taking care of feelings so that a peaceful resolution can be reached and harmony achieved. The tendency to see this as weakness and walk all over it is basically barbaric and uncivilized, disrespectful, rude, and makes a lot of women resent men for this. It's retarded. Then they act like they don't know what you're talking about when you call them out for it, and act like you're crazy for being offended. They just play dumb. Then women resent them even more.

The best part of it? Jack's bullshit about calling it overemotional, and saying you need to practice void meditation so you don't get pissed off by him trolling you when you expect him to be your family and actually give a shit about you. And that you're a failure of an SS if you even react to him. Gods forbid anyone ever take him seriously like he wants everyone to, and actually expect something from him. It's like, does he want people to take him seriously, or to write him off as a troll and never take him seriously again? He could never make up his mind on that. He wanted to have it both ways so that he didn't have to deal with people's reactions to him.

And then a bunch of other men in the community who are supposed to be wiser, and be role models and community leaders, tell you the same thing that you're the problem for reacting and you should just ignore him because he's a troll, at the same time as defending him and his honor and saying what a great guy he is. It's like SORRY for caring about our brother Jack in the first place? SORRY for expecting more of him just like they all do? If he doesn't want to be taken seriously and be a positive part of the community then why is he even around other than to drive people crazy?

Some people will just never get it. This world is too cursed. So many of the problems in the world is because males shit on females and the feminine and write them off as weak, and don't understand their value. They do this just like they are trained to by the jews for hundreds of years with their stupid bible and stupid rabbi that they cared more about than their own women and children. Men like this are literally stupid and impossible to reason with, and no matter what anyone says, it really is because of not having a dick. People who try to deny this are either ignorant of the reality of this, or are fueling it themselves intentionally. The conservative male who adamantly chooses stagnation instead of growth, and is never aware that what they are trying so damn hard to conserve is judaism - never realizing the beauty that awaits them if they stop trying to defend the xian male archetype, and side with their females against jews instead and become a new type of male. That's too hard for them. They would rather defend themselves as males while being oblivious to the fact that they are defending jews who are standing cowardly behind their backs and using men as their mask. Literally all they have to do is meet females in the middle, and they don't want to do this. No beauty for them then.

There's the types that take any criticism at all of males as an attack against themselves as individuals. As if they don't have an identity of their own outside of their gender group. Seriously, wtf... males can say ANYTHING they want about the female sex all day, about the entire female sex collectively as in all of them, and trash talk females as much as they want... but if you say ONE THING about males then they freak the fuck out. Fucking fragile masculinity bullshit.

Then there's the guys who try to act like this hidden pressure doesn't exist, and that anyone who speaks out about it is delusional and just needs to focus on themselves instead of caring about their community. Oh yeah leave it to us, we'll handle it. Or not. False assurances are worthless, and just make people feel alone and like they have to handle everything themselves... which they then criticize for again. As if ignoring a problem makes it go away. As if this doesn't affect many newcomers negatively and drive many potential members away.

The question is: does this community want to be more than "just the internet?" Do we want to actually think of ourselves as a family, or is "family" just an empty word to some people? This "we're all strangers" argument is so contradictory. We call ourselves a family, but some of us don't act like it. Fuck me for trying to change that. Fuck me for trying to promote closer bonds and harmony. Fuck me for trying to help people understand each other, and solve problems that no one wants to talk about and would rather pretend they don't exist. Fuck me for trying to give a voice to people who felt silenced and disregarded on a forum where everyone is supposed to be able to speak their mind openly (except for emotions or something).

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

I have read the points on spiritual knowledge and I will answer accordingly on a post.

Jack's views are exaggerated and even severe on the subject.

There is a degree of knowledge which is given out freely and that is a great degree. Elaboration of knowledge happens by the Gods and also is relative to times and eras.

JoS is here to open this up. The meditation section is in fact very advanced. But the deciding factor in the end is not even the giving of knowledge, but the practice and work put into something.

Keeping people off or publicizing to no end, is equally imbalanced. Jacks argument rests on the awareness and argument that the masses are inherently dumb, and the primary argument is the use of power.

Those in power are not always wise, just, or better than others as quality humans or handlers of high knowledge. For this reason the social or caste restriction cannot be a deciding factor. All Pagan civilizations had a level of high knowledge that was openly available. Initiation was the key to more.

The depth and availability past a point is not a caste matter. It is a wisdom and level of soul matter. This is not always reflected on worldly affairs etc.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

There's the types that take any criticism at all of males as an attack against themselves as individuals. As if they don't have an identity of their own outside of their gender group. Seriously, wtf... males can say ANYTHING they want about the female sex all day, about the entire female sex collectively as in all of them, and trash talk females as much as they want... but if you say ONE THING about males then they freak the fuck out. Fucking fragile masculinity bullshit.

I am wondering where do you see this? Do you see this on other websites, or do you see this here?

It is true when you say that men here don't like when you act like all men are bad. But we also equally don't like when someone says that all women are bad.

I mean that I don't really see anybody here who talks badly about all women in general, or "trash talking females as much as they want." I have seen a few comments like that in all these years, and basically it has been infiltrator jews who said those things. And they were very quickly shut down by other people arguing with them and telling them that is stupid to think that way. And most of the examples I am thinking of are from before you got here.

So this idea of some wide spread hatred of women that you and Tabby and Lunar Dance like to talk about, I am open minded if you want to show me some examples of it. But I really can't think of any example here that would show anything like that. All I can think of are a handful of comments that were mostly written by infiltrator troll accounts, and then everybody disagreed with them.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

I am not able to believe that this is in any way as common as you make it seem. Maybe in real life you live near muslims or something like that that just hate women. But here on this website, I am not able to believe this. There have been some infiltrator jews here before that hated women, because they hate all humans. And of the several hundreds of accounts here, there may be like 2 or 3 of them that actually don't like women because they are weak and worthless men. But I think you have a habit of thinking that every disagreement is because you are a woman, or thinking that anybody who disagrees with you about anything is only doing it because they don't like women. And then I think that believing this makes you more upset because you think nobody likes women.

I think that this is completely ridiculous and untrue. Maybe it has happened a couple times years ago and I didn't notice it, that people have treated you bad just because you are a woman. But I have never seen this. And if it did happen, it was most likely some jew infiltrator anyway so you can't really blame that on us. And then you are blaming every single man here just because a single man disagreed with you about one thing?

The basic fact is that everybody sometimes disagrees with everybody else about all kinds of things. And some people are going to disagree with you sometimes, and some people are going to have different opinions. And this is true for all humans. People disagree with me pretty often, and there is no sexism involved. I have never thought about that the person disagreeing with me is a woman so she must hate me for being a man, or the person disagreeing with me is a man so he doesn't hate me for being a man. Because that has nothing to do with anything. It is ideas, statements, or opinions that people disagree with, and the same people would disagree with the same idea regardless of who says it. And these people are not disagreeing with a woman, they are just disagreeing with something that she said. Just like how they disagree with something that a man said too.

And most of all disagreements here are men arguing with other men. It is much more uncommon for someone to disagree with something a woman says here. So obviously the intention is not to be hating women or to be purposefully disagreeing with them just because they are women.


You are one of the few people here that I have some of the highest respect for. With thousands of comments that you have written, I have agreed completely with basically all of them. And in all these years, there have probably only been less than 5 things that you ever said that I disagreed with. And I think every one of those times, you have answered writing about how people are only wanting to disagree with you just because you are a woman, and even accusing me of this intention. This is just plain bullshit. If I disliked you for being a woman, then why would I agree completely with 99.999% of all things you say?

Nobody in the world has the right for nobody to ever disagree with anything they say. And you can't just use "I'm a woman" as a shield or an excuse whenever the rare time is that somebody does disagree with you. This is just a way for you to shut down the entire discussion and refuse to address what the actual disagreement was.

Ol, I've had a couple of long / stressful days and I don't want to type super lengthy replies.

Look, I know that not every man thinks this way, but theres no getting through to some people. My first reaction to your reply was 'you took that out of context' but maybe because of the short reply it might have been misunderstood.

There's no arguing with 'the outlaw torn' because of .. different ideas, to put it mildly.

I have a tendency to take things to heart, and things that I read or see tend to keep following me.. like they're causing ripples.
And thats quite annoying.. which I guess you can imagine.

Its not so much about the general disagreeing, its the manner in which it is done that often ticks me off.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

From my POV, your post is gaslighting.

Very useful response from somebody who has only been here for like half a year.

I have been here since the time this forum was first created. I have read nearly every comment that has ever been written in English language. And I have watched how everybody has interacted with each other for all of these years.

This is what my perspective is based on. And as someone who has only been here for a few months, basically the entire situation that is being discussed happened before you were here.

 

[Mastermind]

From my POV, your post is gaslighting.

Very useful response from somebody who has only been here for like half a year.

I have been here since the time this forum was first created. I have read nearly every comment that has ever been written in English language. And I have watched how everybody has interacted with each other for all of these years.

This is what my perspective is based on. And as someone who has only been here for a few months, basically the entire situation that is being discussed happened before you were here.

Classic argument from authority fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

There's no arguing with 'the outlaw torn' because of .. different ideas, to put it mildly.

Yes, I agree with you about this. Just remember some of the things he was saying when he first got here, I have no trust for that person and don't consider him any different than a troll.

I hope that you will feel better. And I hope that you will remember that almost everybody here is nothing like that kind of troll, and one bad person is not representative of everyone else.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

....

I don't care what you want to call anything. My point is that when we are discussing specific people, and the relationships between these people, it requires to actually have an awareness of who they are and how they have interacted with each other over multiple years. How all of these relationships have actually formed, and all of the interactions that have shaped them.

Some of us have known each other for nearly 10 years, and some of us have known each other for more than 10 years from the old Yahoo groups. There is no comparison between this, and someone coming in for just a couple months and thinking you know everything. You don't know our history because you have witnessed none of it.

Especially because nearly the entirety of the specific interactions and events that are being discussed happened long before you got here. So how are you expecting to have a valid opinion on events that you have not experienced and have not witnessed? This was my point.

 

[Jack]

I have read the points on spiritual knowledge and I will answer accordingly on a post.

Jack's views are exaggerated and even severe on the subject.

There is a degree of knowledge which is given out freely and that is a great degree. Elaboration of knowledge happens by the Gods and also is relative to times and eras.

JoS is here to open this up. The meditation section is in fact very advanced. But the deciding factor in the end is not even the giving of knowledge, but the practice and work put into something.

Keeping people off or publicizing to no end, is equally imbalanced. Jacks argument rests on the awareness and argument that the masses are inherently dumb, and the primary argument is the use of power.

Those in power are not always wise, just, or better than others as quality humans or handlers of high knowledge. For this reason the social or caste restriction cannot be a deciding factor. All Pagan civilizations had a level of high knowledge that was openly available. Initiation was the key to more.

The depth and availability past a point is not a caste matter. It is a wisdom and level of soul matter. This is not always reflected on worldly affairs etc.

You can make a general post elaborating on a Gentile Aristocracy or the dissemination of spiritual knowledge buy I have to warn you that this entire thread is based on extrapolations that I've never said but have been made up and people are making side tangent conversations about it and the initial meshed up quotes are taken out of context ,which I will dispense any confusion over.

 

[Jack]

I've been gone for 4 or something days and this thread has been blown up to wild propositions. As a side note i have to say that i'm a lot more busy right now and i won't have the time to log on to the forums and write 20 minutes long paragraphs. But since im getting non stop emails telling me to defend myself i'll do it this one time. However understand that everything i'll say will then be rejected by the detractors as "Actually you say that now but you meant something different and actually you said this." So its only for the people who understand my work.

There are a lot of side tangents and non sequiturs being made and people have started to conversate on those topics. I'm not going to get involved with those because it'll just take a whole day to specifically address all the side tangents but i'll address some here -

On the Topic of Women - As i've publicly apologized before ,and i'll do it one more time specifically to LundarDance i apologize for derailing those women's threads and i'm ashamed of doing that. I've acknowledged and publicly spoken about all of the extreme conservative views that i've disavowed before. And as a shoutout to Meteor ,yes getting into a relationship with my girlfriend has significantly changed my worldview and helped me get over my overly controlling tendencies.

On the Topic of Caste - Caste is not birth based and it originally wasn't meant to be like that. In an Ancient Aryan society which was agrarian there were far fewer professions which could be grouped under the Four Varnas and these weren't set in stone. A person could traverse the varnas and move from one varna to the other. Just like in todays society. Caste started becoming more birth based after Aryans started settling in Non- Aryans areas where the population had to somehow maintain its Homogeneity because of a thousand years of race mixing at that point. Also as im going to elaborate further my views are not influenced by a Varna system at all. Because in todays day and age we still have a varna system in all aspects of live - because of the division of labour and different professions in a society. So the side tangent of my views which were mischaracterized and then conversated on - all those discussions are null.

On the Meat of the subject -

Now we get down to brass tacks about the Central Point of the Subject ,apart from all ad hominems ,name calling etc. The context of the conversation is about how im using the terms "freedom" and "knowledge".

I'm using the term knowledge in the context of
1) Access to different kinds of knowledge (here im obviously referring to bad kinds of knowledge).
2)The Knowledge of Good and Evil and who decides what to allow people to know and what not to allow them to know. (Filtration)
3)When i say Spiritual knowledge i'm specifically talking about Advanced Spiritual knowledge ,not the knowldege that is commonly known in all Pagan societies of the past.

On the Problem of Formatting in the past - As the people who've read my posts must have noticed ,i've learnt to format and present my posts better. In those days i used to write in free hand and just click post which would create a lot of confusion. This is because a lot of different points were meshed together and people were misunderstanding what i was conveying. Some members after repeatedly calling me out ,i've since tried to put effort in the wording of the posts so i can convey myself better. This is because im used to giving speeches and in speeches even if you ramble on but with your body language and demeanour ,the people understand what you're saying. And my mind works like that. When i think about a point to make , my mind visualizes myself speaking before an audience. But that kind of communication is sometimes misunderstood in a text - to - text interface ,which is what used to happen a lot before.

So now let's go point by point on this -

The false pretense of free thought and exchange of ideas is what allowed the Jews to take over the world. Until then peasants were kept in line, they never thought they could be equal to the aristocrats.

Now this isn't my opinion. If you've ever watched a disingenuous Jew talk you have heard this argument. This is mainly used by Libertarians and Communists. They will say that ALL IDEAS regardless of their impact on the world need to be conversated on , and this will allow people to reach their own conclusions.

The only problem is that common people lack the ability of discernment and will literally believe everything even which is absurd.Here are some examples of Ideas that could have been prevented by an Authoritarian body outlawing it but couldn't because it was a a liberal democracy -
1)Non White Immigration.
2)Race Mixing.
3)Sexualization of Children.
4)Ability of people to change Genders (Transgendersism)

All of the above are ideas that could have been prevented from proliferation. Liberatarians make even more extreme arguments like Cocaine and all drugs should be legalized and people need to take complete personal responsibility. The inability of the common people to take good personal decisions is seen by the Opiod Crisis and Fentanyl Crisis. There are endless examples.

Its mind boggling to claim knowledge accomplishes anything when it's clear that knowledge is only useful as a control tool.

Knowledge is only useful when political elites use it to control the civilization or Spiritual elites use it to control the political elites.

It's just childish fantasy when people claim liberalism and free thought have any use. Its only useful in the hands of elites. The masses of people remain subject to their base desires and knowledge is used to move the masses in directions that the elite want. The masses remain ,NPCs with or without knowledge. It doesn't matter.

As i've explained above the Knowledge of Good and Evil cannot be discerned by the common people. So Elites use the knowledge they have as a control tool. This involves the knowledge of human behaviour and the way they make decisions in a social setting. So ofcource this knowledge is only used as a control tool.

Imagine if the Knowledge of Mass Media was used to control the perception of Whites and that Race Mixing was shown as Reprehensible instead of being normalized ,how different would the world be now.

By disseminating harmful information through mass media the Jews have destroyed Western Civilization.

Compare this by Mass Media communication in Nazi Germany where Knowledge was also used as a control tool but as a force for GOOD. The Deranged books of Jews were BANNED and Gentiles were encouraged to build families ,take pride in their culture and tradition and work hard for their betterment.

Pictured - Nazis Banning and Burning the Degenerate Knowledge of Jewish,Liberal and Communist books

The total failure of every western country which removed the gentile aristocracy for the false pretense of the right to free knowledge ,which led to other rights such as voting etc shows that this system has absolutely failed and doesn't work. Liberating the common masses of people just made them chase irrelevant and damaging things in life and do absolutely nothing with their lives,made them fight each other and kill each other. This happened in civilizations where jews didn't exist in antiquity.

These were argued by Jews - Voting Rights for the common man because they wanted to overthrow monarchies and establish communism by convincing the Common people of their agendas through mass communication. This existed in Antiquity where Plato said that the Democracy ONLY works in a Ethnocentric Group of same cultural and religious beliefs. Meaning absolute homogenity. For all other institutions a Meritrocratic system is required and voting doesn't work.

Knowledge is only useful when political elites use it to control the civilization or Spiritual elites use it to control the political elites.

It's just childish fantasy when people claim liberalism and free thought have any use. Its only useful in the hands of elites. The masses of people remain subject to their base desires and knowledge is used to move the masses in directions that the elite want. The masses remain ,NPCs with or without knowledge. It doesn't matter.

The only way that knowledge works is to give it to Divinely Ordained individuals who can judge other individuals as worthy of accepting that same knowledge or not.

Again going back to the first quote ,"Free Thought" was an excuse used by Jews to proliferate extremely harmful ideologies to the common masses. As seen by the Nazi Book Burning and banning of certain political ideologies and thought movements we can see that a Gentile Aristocracy does not allow for Free thought (which includes enemy poisoning). That was my entire point here.

Knowledge being filtered out to the people by the Gentile Elite (the Nazi SS) definition isn't Free Thought because because all thoughts and all ideologies cannot be allowed to spread.

Spiritual knowledge is not meant to be shared freely to lower beings, and it isn't even now. Spiritual Satanism is not a religion for everyone.

Im ofcourse talking about Advanced Spiritual Knowledge that is directly given to us by the Gods and cannot be freely proliferated around the masses. This is why i say at the end "it isn't now." I don't understand how this can be misconstrued that i want all spiritual knowledge to be in hands of a priest class. That is an insane inference leap there. More importantly Im in this organization for over 3 years and have freely talked about and conversated with people about Spiritual Knowledge and knowledge that is still hidden in the mainstream Yogic community. Why would i self contradict myself and claim that all the knowledge that i've learnt from the open resource of the Joyofsatan should be hiden ?It doesn't even make sense.

The majority of humanity is composed of lowly useless beings who need leaders and edicts to follow. Individualism is for leaders who give out these edicts. You can't allow freedom for everyone and not have society totally collapse like it already has. The obvious answer is authoritarian and dictatorship, the election of a supreme leader and a hierarchical group structure which concentrates knowledge.

Free thought is not for everyone because people don't have the capacity for free thought. Some people are gifted who lead humanity as groups, and that is how it has always happened and will happen in the future.

Your insolence and lack of understanding of how this world works is shaped by living in a liberal democracy. Most people are incapable of realizing what they should do and they need leaders to follow. Freedom and liberalism has totally failed which should be apparent by looking at ancient and modern history. We need a hierarchical structure where power is concentrated and you can't access more knowledge unless you prove yourself."

The word "capacity" is a bit severe ,i understand now. They do have the capacity for following through in action if told to do certain things by authority figures which is why the Authority figures need to be Good and Divinely ordained (Yogis who have completed atleast the Samadhi process.)

This is something im paraphrasing from Plato. Plato in "The Republic" makes these arguments in conversation with a bunch of people aroun him. Infact hes actually more extreme than me when talking about it. I was reading that book while i formulated those posts. You can go and check it out yourself. Its a very lengthy and boring book but the conclusion he reaches is something that the Nazis embodied in a Dictatorial Authoritarian Meritrocratic system with a Divinely Ordained Philosopher King (Adolf Hitler) at the top and the control and dissemination of knowledge by this structure to the common person.

Again - nowhere did i argue any of the wild extrapolations that have been inferred from my posts. All of this is very easy to undersatnd if you have a basic understanding of the Nazi SS.

If people have interest in reading about this or understanding it further because they still disagree or maybe i haven't cleared up the issues in their mind i implore you to read these books -

NIETZSCHE, PROPHET OF NAZISM: THE CULT OF THE SUPERMAN; Unveiling the Nazi Secret Doctrine
https://b-ok.asia/book/11071136/e4c8b3
(On the Topic of a Gentile Aristrocracy)

The Republic by Plato
https://b-ok.asia/book/784978/d1e343
(On topics about governance ,the mental capacity of the common man and the requirement of a Philosopher King who filters out and disseminates knowledge.)

Dictatorship by Carl Schmitt
https://b-ok.asia/book/2473714/de9a05
(On making a modern justification for the Dictatorship principle by Nazi Political Theorist Carl Schmidtt.)

Im not going to address any other side tangents out of the wrong inferences and extrapolation made by wrong characterization of my posts and their meaning.

Again while i do believe similar to Plato that the common person has it extremely difficult in coming to a conclusion with balanced discernment ,i believe that most of us here are the elite through years of meditation (and past life meditation as well) and can actually formulate our own opinions and conclusions.

So i implore you to come to a conclusion by reading those books. Im not going to speak on this any further.

Sieg Heil

 

[Jack]

In further arguments between people, I'd like people to stick to this triangle ad not go on side tangents and start conversations on wrong inferences, tone, Name Calling wild Extrapolations etc.

I'm personally not going to be involved in any kind of arguments and confusion because I'm currently in the process of changing my place of work and profession and it's going to become extremely hectic everyday from now on. So I'm not going to be able to log on and write long posts. I'm still going to stick to the RTR schedule but I won't be able to read the thread inside the forums.

But you have to do it for the future. My message to my brothers is to start taking seriously your real personal life. The people on this forum can just log off and go away but your own personal struggles in life will never go away unless and until you tackle it first.

A Brutal Dystopia is coming and in order to survive it you need to prepare by gathering resources.

Do not wait. START NOW.

Best of luck.

 

[Henu the Great]

And then a bunch of other men in the community who are supposed to be wiser, and be role models and community leaders, tell you the same thing that you're the problem for reacting and you should just ignore him because he's a troll, at the same time as defending him and his honor and saying what a great guy he is. It's like SORRY for caring about our brother Jack in the first place? SORRY for expecting more of him just like they all do? If he doesn't want to be taken seriously and be a positive part of the community then why is he even around other than to drive people crazy?

I did actually say that all people would need to improve their communication...

The question is: does this community want to be more than "just the internet?" Do we want to actually think of ourselves as a family, or is "family" just an empty word to some people? This "we're all strangers" argument is so contradictory. We call ourselves a family, but some of us don't act like it. Fuck me for trying to change that. Fuck me for trying to promote closer bonds and harmony. Fuck me for trying to help people understand each other, and solve problems that no one wants to talk about and would rather pretend they don't exist. Fuck me for trying to give a voice to people who felt silenced and disregarded on a forum where everyone is supposed to be able to speak their mind openly (except for emotions or something).

Even family members do have differences in their outlook and so on. This can include heated disagreements. Why would it be any different here..?

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Does it bother anyone that Satan withholds certain facts or spiritual knowledge from us? Does it bother you that HPS Maxine or HP Cobra have withheld certain knowledge?

Honestly Satan does not. He shares this knowledge to those he wants. All Satanic knowledge has layers and those who can see them can apply them. I did not dare to ask too many questions but from what I learned I see that there is nothing actually "withheld". Better say it's up to us to fully understand it. And this goes to Gentile grimoires and Ancient myths.

Ok. I can tell everyone from experience of leading a forum and of practicing Satanism that what you call "masses", idiots, mediocrities etc. will never ever seek or actually apply anything we are teaching in JoS even in the beginner section, let alone successfully. The mere idea of concealing things from masses for them to not be "turned against us" is complete lack of logic, because the notion "mass", "mediocrity" suggests that they will never even open this website. This is the same as to to busy concealing it from animals. Actually it is a great problem to force them at least to do yoga once a month, let alone meditate.

I also stand up for absolute power of the deserving and spiritual cast system. But what I mean by this is inherently different and mostly opposite to this basically jewish idea of what was quoted by jrvan in the OP (namely this enemy propaganda https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=201977&sid=f886202fe4741099339114d69244c164#p201977 that is rather hard to find because they quote only some innocent self-protection).

The idea that I stand for is that the actual rights - to vote, to have any position of power, to decide anything, to rule money, to be able to approach women etc. should be given only to the deserving, and this deserving emerges naturally in the process of considerable spiritual advancement to the point where person is acting in the manner that Lunar Dance 666 calls "human decency" and Out Law Torn calls "shining Armour White Knighting" - Our Gods and greatest men like Hitler ARE White Nights of the universe and this is exactly how man was planned by Nature to be - the greatest form of existence that is to be chosen alone by our women. Basically those White Knights are those who actually should rule the world, not mama's cry-babies who can't bother to protect any worthwhile life. My view is that White Knight, Real Lady, greatness, and actual deserving is the product of extreme spiritual heights, and is a reason to give anyone Human Rights and any other privileges not different to how we give privilege in profession only to the professionals.

And for this reason the first thing that needs to be done is not concealing but opening the spiritual knowledge, obviously. I remember very well how HPs Maxine mentioned that kikes destroyed libraries all over the Ancient World and how she was so grateful for the Finding Fathers for opening free libraries all over the country yet again. And how she was grateful to live her life in USA for this very reason. And how JoS originated from USA for this very reason.

I myself saw a lot of jewish oligarch activity in Russia who are trying to make such authers as Aristotle, Plato, Homer and even Tesla unfree (you must pay the jew to even read the PDF copy!) - do you imagine this!!?? This is done by jews alone - their corporations, like MTS, Bilain, Megafon etc. Their owners and war lords own castles and ships, planes and best cars, while we, whom they robbed off of our culture and possessions, have to pay for the books that were written for us by our Ancestors! Just to pay the bills of those kikes.

These books open the channels even in a non-advanced person which later emerge when he finds Satan and start advancing. A lot of great literature was the reason why our civilizations were at all built. Remember when books and libraries were restricted there was the time of Dark Age. And this idea of basically put JoS out of the internet is the enemy's greatest dream and worst disadvantage of the Earth civilizations that can even be imagined (honestly I hear this idea first time in JoS even from infiltrators).

The Truth be known this was exact RESTRICTION of knowledge (due to jews or egotists) that made Ancient Civilizations fall - only AFTER it was forgotten they fell, and never before.

Also the abundance of spirituality in Ancient Worlds was the exact reason for super obedience and extreme respect to Superiors and Cast Systems and the exact reason why any cast system emerged at all.

As you can clearly see here https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=66384&start=150&sid=4d40fe404f22d9ef2278f74bcd7b4373 cast systems and hierarchies emerge exactly out of collective spiritual advancement and mass education.

This was rather notable to me also that someone who argues with The High Priest on things fully explained and understood 20 years ago https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=254464#p254464 came here with the idea of deleting JoS and all spiritual knowledge from the internet (if I understood the idea right) under the pretense of "spiritual cast system". Aristocracy propagandist arguing superiors, ya... in Russian forum that embodies his authoritarian dream, would be trashed after the post #1.

Ironically most of these knowledge restriction female enslavement and JoS deletion propagandists would be first to be impaled in their dream states.

Again. I have a big problem forcing people in Russian internet to READ JoS and to apply what it tells.

Here as I see this is also a very big problem - to make people apply things. https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=69876&sid=09e610212af65bef644da723697de8c4

Basically all these lazy asses would say thanks if we close JoS. In other words it would benefit the worst and attack the best - the exact opposite of every our Aristocratic ideal.

This is obviously not what we want.

 

[HPS Lydia]

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(Btw, somewhat related, is it weird that I have a man for my profile picture?

Subtle promotion of transsexualism :lol:

Oh no! :lol: I might have to change it then :lol:

haha me being me, no, I don't think it's weird. It's depicting a Tarot card, and I agree, I think it suits you.

It's normal that people want profile pictures that relate to them in some way. Some people do so in the form of depicting a person of the same gender as themselves for the profile, and others will use what they like that they are simply drawn to. So it makes sense, with that kind of mindset, that someone would accidentally call you "brother", especially if they're unaware of the energies behind the profile.

Though that is funny that someone called you "brother" just for having a male depicted in your profile :lol:

Lol. I'm just so drawn to the tarot, and it doesn't even occur to me that people might think there's something more to it than just being a picture. HP Cobra did have a statue of Astarte as his profile for a while, anyway.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

And then a bunch of other men in the community who are supposed to be wiser, and be role models and community leaders, tell you the same thing that you're the problem for reacting and you should just ignore him because he's a troll, at the same time as defending him and his honor and saying what a great guy he is. It's like SORRY for caring about our brother Jack in the first place? SORRY for expecting more of him just like they all do? If he doesn't want to be taken seriously and be a positive part of the community then why is he even around other than to drive people crazy?

I did actually say that all people would need to improve their communication...

The question is: does this community want to be more than "just the internet?" Do we want to actually think of ourselves as a family, or is "family" just an empty word to some people? This "we're all strangers" argument is so contradictory. We call ourselves a family, but some of us don't act like it. Fuck me for trying to change that. Fuck me for trying to promote closer bonds and harmony. Fuck me for trying to help people understand each other, and solve problems that no one wants to talk about and would rather pretend they don't exist. Fuck me for trying to give a voice to people who felt silenced and disregarded on a forum where everyone is supposed to be able to speak their mind openly (except for emotions or something).

Even family members do have differences in their outlook and so on. This can include heated disagreements. Why would it be any different here..?

There is a difference between having a discussion over a disagreement with someone ... and .. not being able to bring the discussion to a fruitful conclusion.
In which case, anger and hate continue to excist and can drive a family apart to never be in touch with them again.

It cannot be so that one side has to do all the work to keep a relationship like that going or to keep it on an acceptable level.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I have read the points on spiritual knowledge and I will answer accordingly on a post.

Jack's views are exaggerated and even severe on the subject.

There is a degree of knowledge which is given out freely and that is a great degree. Elaboration of knowledge happens by the Gods and also is relative to times and eras.

JoS is here to open this up. The meditation section is in fact very advanced. But the deciding factor in the end is not even the giving of knowledge, but the practice and work put into something.

Keeping people off or publicizing to no end, is equally imbalanced. Jacks argument rests on the awareness and argument that the masses are inherently dumb, and the primary argument is the use of power.

Those in power are not always wise, just, or better than others as quality humans or handlers of high knowledge. For this reason the social or caste restriction cannot be a deciding factor. All Pagan civilizations had a level of high knowledge that was openly available. Initiation was the key to more.

The depth and availability past a point is not a caste matter. It is a wisdom and level of soul matter. This is not always reflected on worldly affairs etc.

You can make a general post elaborating on a Gentile Aristocracy or the dissemination of spiritual knowledge buy I have to warn you that this entire thread is based on extrapolations that I've never said but have been made up and people are making side tangent conversations about it and the initial meshed up quotes are taken out of context ,which I will dispense any confusion over.

This is one of your major issues jack and one of the reasons you fail to have good relations with anybody in the group. You are always right in all things at all times and even when a statement you've made is undeniably wrong to anybody who has read it you still cannot man up and admit an error on your part.

You instead will make excuses that the reader misunderstood what you wrote, that it is taken out of context, that it is twisted or exaggerated. I linked the entire conversation multiple times so that everybody has context. I also quoted you directly and did not edit anything you've said.

Literally all you had to do is admit that you were wrong in the statement about spiritual knowledge being hidden from the public. And this thread would not have happened as I would have no real reason to believe you're a traitor. But you do not ever admit any error on your part even when you've made statements that are arguably against Satan's designs.


So you either lack the maturity to simply admit errors on your part, which creates pointless lengthy discussions, or you are a traitor here to spread filthy and anti-Satanic ideas on the minds of gullible SS. I am convinced of the latter.