Bad karma involving sex. How to advance

[High Priestess Lydia]

It's only the past centuries with xianity/islam that chastity was claimed to be important. It wasn't like this in the Ancient days. Even most Queens and Empresses had lovers before they married the King/Empower, some even had illegitimate children before marriage; peasants also had lovers before marriage. All social classes understood that sex was normal and not taboo.

Virginity was never seen to be essential until fairly recently in history, even in the 1600's-1800's even noblewomen (royalty, lesser royalty, etc) had sex before marriage. And as I wrote before, the "holy roman emperor" allowed his daughters to have non-marital sex because he refused them to get married, and he fully provided for their illegitimate children.

It is only this past while that people are so messed up regarding sex. This has caused a huge swing to vulgar promiscuity everywhere, which then also causes people to become psychologically triggered to thinking nobody should ever have sex until marriage. The enemy pushes to both extremes, preventing normal balance.

It goes against nature to refuse to have sex until marriage. People fall in love or have very strong attraction, they shouldn't need a religious/government paper to do what was always considered natural.

 

[OrionKrieger]

Its alright to feel this way but here’s some things that i wanna point out. You can’t have “ownership” of a woman, that’s just simply not possible. And if your partner loves you, what’s the deal here? You can’t control if people have had sex before you, and even if they did, they would still settle for a person they truly love. The same thought process happens to females, and if the both of you can get along and truly understand each other i don’t see why you would be worried.

I agree that the modern concept of sex is absolutely horrid, and its not the act itself, its the stuff surrounding it. But here’s the thing, it doesn’t have to be a bad thing. A person that has had sex before doesn’t automatically make them unfaithful or possibly make them unfaithful in the future, that’s a childish way to think.

 

[Hárbarðr]

Don't come at me with some christianity programming crap (I didn't have any), as if hellenic and roman pagan men didn't value the purity and virginity of a woman if they wanted to take her as a wife. Castity was considered a divine virtue for women in the mores maiorum.

Only certain priestesses had to be virgins in ancient times, not average women. The idea that the average woman has to be a virgin if she isn't married is xian.

 

[Isisd]

It's only the past centuries with xianity/islam that chastity was claimed to be important. It wasn't like this in the Ancient days. Even most Queens and Empresses had lovers before they married the King/Empower, some even had illegitimate children before marriage; peasants also had lovers before marriage. All social classes understood that sex was normal and not taboo.

Virginity was never seen to be essential until fairly recently in history, even in the 1600's-1800's even noblewomen (royalty, lesser royalty, etc) had sex before marriage. And as I wrote before, the "holy roman emperor" allowed his daughters to have non-marital sex because he refused them to get married, and he fully provided for their illegitimate children.

It is only this past while that people are so messed up regarding sex. This has caused a huge swing to vulgar promiscuity everywhere, which then also causes people to become psychologically triggered to thinking nobody should ever have sex until marriage. The enemy pushes to both extremes, preventing normal balance.

It goes against nature to refuse to have sex until marriage. People fall in love or have very strong attraction, they shouldn't need a religious/government paper to do what was always considered natural.

Only certain priestesses had to be virgins in ancient times, not average women. The idea that the average woman has to be a virgin if she isn't married is xian.

I am sorry, but this is simply untrue. This wasn't the point of my thread, but I'll go with it anyways. In ancient pre-christian Rome and in Ancient Greece (I don't know about other ancient civilizations, but I'm getting a degree on these two) women had to be virgins and untouched before marriage. It was not simply about morality, it was law. If you were an aristocratic, noble, middle class, poor, it did not matter. Only slaves and prostitutes practiced promiscuity, since they didn't literally have any right to marry a roman man or whatsoever. This doesn't mean that roman and greek pagan civilizations oppressed sexuality nor viewed it as dirty and bad, like xians. Sex and fertility were sacred, hailed, but for women they were celebrated WITHIN the marriage, and that's it. The priestess you are referring to are the Vestals, their virginity till the age of 40 was their prerogative for a religious purpose, because, again, castity for women was sacred and a divine virtue. You didn't see men priestly classes with the obligation of virginity. Of course, this has had very fiew exceptions during the course of history, but generally it was like that. Of course, with women in power, like empresses and queens, the things were, clearly, different. A lot of empresses had to marry multiple times for a matter of power security and allegiance with other forces. But this is an expetion, reffering to the 1% of the female population.
Of course, divorce then became thing, a divorced woman could re-marry under certain conditions, but these are, again, few exceptions. They didn't have such thing as a "divorce rate" like our degenerated society.

 

[Aquarius]

Only certain priestesses had to be virgins in ancient times, not average women. The idea that the average woman has to be a virgin if she isn't married is xian.

That's a lie. Virginity has to do with the purity of the soul, the cleanliness of it. Not if the person had sex.

 

[Hárbarðr]

That's a lie. Virginity has to do with the purity of the soul, the cleanliness of it. Not if the person had sex.

The priestesses I am talking about took a vow of chastity and weren't allowed to marry or have sex until they finished their service. They were virgins in the way we mean it now, chaste, no sex. They were buried alive if anyone found out they had sex.

In Ancient Rome, the Vestal Virgins achieved power most women were denied – but at great cost

The inviolability of Vestals was predicated on their virginity, which entirely defined their social powers. The control of their sexuality was synonymous with the welfare and politics of the state.

theconversation.com

You might have heard of a group of women in Ancient Rome known as the “Vestal Virgins”. These female virginal guardians of the sacred flame of Rome could be buried alive for breaking their vows of chastity. Sure, this is a terrible way to go. But! They had power, prestige, privilege, popularity! So, who were these women, and how did they get such cachet?

Known to the ancient Romans as the virgines Vestales, the Vestal Virgins were a religious collegium (priesthood) made up at any one time of six females. These women took vows of virginity for 30 years in order to serve in the cult of Vesta, ancient goddess of the hearth. Following their 30 years of service, they were allowed to leave the priesthood and marry, although most would remain.

 

[Isisd]

That's a lie. Virginity has to do with the purity of the soul, the cleanliness of it. Not if the person had sex.

The vestals were buried alive if they violated the chastity vote.

 

[Aquarius]

The priestesses I am talking about took a vow of chastity and weren't allowed to marry or have sex until they finished their service. They were virgins in the way we mean it now, chaste, no sex. They were buried alive if anyone found out they had sex.

In Ancient Rome, the Vestal Virgins achieved power most women were denied – but at great cost

The inviolability of Vestals was predicated on their virginity, which entirely defined their social powers. The control of their sexuality was synonymous with the welfare and politics of the state.

theconversation.com

Of course they would mate. This random website + a person who believes all they read on the web is the result of the things you're saying.

 

[High Priestess Lydia]

I am sorry, but this is simply untrue

It is you who is mistaken, not I.

 

[Renita]

It's more like a "ownership" and traditional thing

There is nothing traditional about thinking that dating a woman is the same as owning her. You need to view women as their own people who have their own choices with who they did and who they will sleep with.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

I am sorry, but this is simply untrue. This wasn't the point of my thread, but I'll go with it anyways. In ancient pre-christian Rome and in Ancient Greece (I don't know about other ancient civilizations, but I'm getting a degree on these two) women had to be virgins and untouched before marriage. It was not simply about morality, it was law. If you were an aristocratic, noble, middle class, poor, it did not matter. Only slaves and prostitutes practiced promiscuity, since they didn't literally have any right to marry a roman man or whatsoever. This doesn't mean that roman and greek pagan civilizations oppressed sexuality nor viewed it as dirty and bad, like xians. Sex and fertility were sacred, hailed, but for women they were celebrated WITHIN the marriage, and that's it. The priestess you are referring to are the Vestals, their virginity till the age of 40 was their prerogative for a religious purpose, because, again, castity for women was sacred and a divine virtue. You didn't see men priestly classes with the obligation of virginity. Of course, this has had very fiew exceptions during the course of history, but generally it was like that. Of course, with women in power, like empresses and queens, the things were, clearly, different. A lot of empresses had to marry multiple times for a matter of power security and allegiance with other forces. But this is an expetion, reffering to the 1% of the female population.
Of course, divorce then became thing, a divorced woman could re-marry under certain conditions, but these are, again, few exceptions. They didn't have such thing as a "divorce rate" like our degenerated society.

Poor relationship behaviors and unmet needs are the true cause of high divorce rates, not the act of sex itself. Someone who is insecure or unable to maintain a stable relationship is going to have problems regardless of whether sex is involved or not.

As an example, the type of woman who only goes for "Chad" and does not think about long-term compatibility had made an error in her judgement prior to the sexual engagement, not as a result of it.

Sex is a creative force tied directly to spiritual advancement. It is also one of the strongest, if not the strongest force; it cannot be repressed with positive consequences.

People keep pointing to chastity as if you get some shiny silver star after serving a 10 year term of no sex, but they are not able to actually define or explain this in any Zevist sense. Yet, many Zevists have direct experience with sex magick and the gains one can get through sexual activity. Here, the person advances through the connection of energies and resultant "birth" that arises.

If you have a safe and positive sexual partner who you are growing through with sexual activity, you do not suddenly become spiritually destroyed if you end up marrying someone else instead. Yes, someone could probe and ask why you did not marry the first person, given the high level of sexual bonding, but this again points to relationship behaviors, not the act of sex itself.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

I've been seriously messed up during the last year, trying to convince myself that the modern concept of sex is right. I simply can't. It is especially worse when I think about my partner. I can't physically and mentally bare the thought that my future wife and mother of my children has been penetrated by another male. This has nothing to do with insecurity or comparison, I can assure I can sexually please women, and I never compare myself to others nor I have complexes in this regard. It's more like a "ownership" and traditional thing. I think that's the best way I can explain it. In my family the man took the virginity of the wife, always been that way. I would literally be the first in my family to ever marry a deflorated woman. I know that these are bad and out dated things to write and could be offensive to some sisters here, and I wanna overcome it. It's not a recent thing, I've always been that way. I recall that even when I was a child, when a joke about my mother or father cheating or having another partner in the past came up (and I'm talking about jokes cause they're a happy couple) I would literally go furious. Don't come at me with some christianity programming crap (I didn't have any), as if hellenic and roman pagan men didn't value the purity and virginity of a woman if they wanted to take her as a wife. Castity was considered a divine virtue for women in the mores maiorum. I know that we are in 2025 and that there is nothing bad if a woman has had other partners before his husband, and that this doesn't make her a less valuable human being. I know that obsessing over some potential partner's sex life is creepy. I'm well aware. I just have to adapt to this century and society, and in order to do so I have to point the problem up. It's like a part of my soul, the part that revolves around sex and marriage, comes from another century. Maybe it's something about some positions in my natal chart? Or maybe a past life influence? Maybe there are specific workings you could suggest. I want to ascend over this.

You are likely imaging that the impact of the taking of virginity, and the impression created on her soul, is larger than what you could create on your own afterwards. Yes, it still points to a feeling of insecurity in some way, although this does not have to be interpreted how left-wing people conceptualize this.

Since you mentioned ownership, this could point towards masculinity hangups as the root cause, but you will have to probe the feeling further. Yet, if it feels like it inhibits your ability to be her partner even outside of this, like she betrayed you, then that looks more like a Venus problem.

 

[SethAmun]

I've been seriously messed up during the last year, trying to convince myself that the modern concept of sex is right. I simply can't. It is especially worse when I think about my partner. I can't physically and mentally bare the thought that my future wife and mother of my children has been penetrated by another male. This has nothing to do with insecurity or comparison, I can assure I can sexually please women, and I never compare myself to others nor I have complexes in this regard. It's more like a "ownership" and traditional thing. I think that's the best way I can explain it. In my family the man took the virginity of the wife, always been that way. I would literally be the first in my family to ever marry a deflorated woman. I know that these are bad and out dated things to write and could be offensive to some sisters here, and I wanna overcome it. It's not a recent thing, I've always been that way. I recall that even when I was a child, when a joke about my mother or father cheating or having another partner in the past came up (and I'm talking about jokes cause they're a happy couple) I would literally go furious. Don't come at me with some christianity programming crap (I didn't have any), as if hellenic and roman pagan men didn't value the purity and virginity of a woman if they wanted to take her as a wife. Castity was considered a divine virtue for women in the mores maiorum. I know that we are in 2025 and that there is nothing bad if a woman has had other partners before his husband, and that this doesn't make her a less valuable human being. I know that obsessing over some potential partner's sex life is creepy. I'm well aware. I just have to adapt to this century and society, and in order to do so I have to point the problem up. It's like a part of my soul, the part that revolves around sex and marriage, comes from another century. Maybe it's something about some positions in my natal chart? Or maybe a past life influence? Maybe there are specific workings you could suggest. I want to ascend over this.

Virgin also meant in the past simply a young woman without any connection to sexuality. What if some women thought the same way, wanting to marry only virgin men? It would be a tragedy! Anyway, the enemy tries to destroy the connections and love between men and women, creating conflicts and destroying their will to create a family. "Virginity" disappears with a single touch of the finger or the practice of certain sports, so quickly definitive and insignificant as if it had never existed in that place. Because that's how it is, insignificant. The mind, the heart of a woman, the care she takes for her partner and family, her spiritual potential should matter. Everyone does what they consider but looking for that ideal virgin you risk ending up alone!

 

[Hs666]

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In a historical and cultural period such as this, where lies and illusions are the cornerstone on which the exercise of power is based, taking it for granted that reality can be found in books or at university and professing it with “blind faith” is not one of the most intelligent moves to make.

 

[Isisd]

It is you who is mistaken, not I.

This is a very poor response. Explain to me how am I wrong then. What I have stated cames from centuries of historical and anthropological research, it has nothing to do with enemy contamination. It literally gets to a point.

 

[Aquarius]

This is a very poor response. Explain to me how am I wrong then. What I have stated cames from centuries of historical and anthropological research, it has nothing to do with enemy contamination. It literally gets to a point.

You have absolutely no critical thinking or hint of intuition in your head. You think the Gods would approve of one of their daughters getting buried alive for some normal human instinct?
Mate are you perhaps on the wrong forums, these are the ancient forums not christian forums.

 

[Isisd]

You are likely imaging that the impact of the taking of virginity, and the impression created on her soul, is larger than what you could create on your own afterwards. Yes, it still points to a feeling of insecurity in some way, although this does not have to be interpreted how left-wing people conceptualize this.

Since you mentioned ownership, this could point towards masculinity hangups as the root cause, but you will have to probe the feeling further. Yet, if it feels like it inhibits your ability to be her partner even outside of this, like she betrayed you, then that looks more like a Venus problem.

You pointed the exact problem out. Couldn't put it into words. I know this is not healthy, but I'm here to advance and overcome it. Thank you very much brother, I'll check my astral chart attentively

 

[Isisd]

You're here to learn, not teach. Get off the high horse, you've been on the forums for two years teaching us who have been here for 10+ years and the High Priestess too?
Have some humility.

So let's see if I got it right. If an academic with years and years of studies on a certain subject subscribes today on the formus and notices you're talking crap on the aforementioned subject, he can't teach YOU cause you subscribed 10 years ago? He doesn't have the right to share his knowledge? Have a decent open human conversation at least without being attacked personally? Are you perhaps 10 years old?

 

[Hs666]

Questa è una risposta davvero pessima. Allora spiegami perché sbaglio. Ciò che ho affermato deriva da secoli di ricerca storica e antropologica, non ha nulla a che fare con la contaminazione nemica. Arriva letteralmente al punto.

The answer has already been given to you. The story you mention and the “studies” are based on conjecture. The story itself is conjecture.

The Leader has explained to you that your conjectures and those of the people you have studied are wrong. He has shown you and explained the reality. Now you must take this new information you have received and try to “connect” it all together.

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

It's only the past centuries with xianity/islam that chastity was claimed to be important. It wasn't like this in the Ancient days. Even most Queens and Empresses had lovers before they married the King/Empower, some even had illegitimate children before marriage; peasants also had lovers before marriage. All social classes understood that sex was normal and not taboo.

Virginity was never seen to be essential until fairly recently in history, even in the 1600's-1800's even noblewomen (royalty, lesser royalty, etc) had sex before marriage. And as I wrote before, the "holy roman emperor" allowed his daughters to have non-marital sex because he refused them to get married, and he fully provided for their illegitimate children.

It is only this past while that people are so messed up regarding sex. This has caused a huge swing to vulgar promiscuity everywhere, which then also causes people to become psychologically triggered to thinking nobody should ever have sex until marriage. The enemy pushes to both extremes, preventing normal balance.

It goes against nature to refuse to have sex until marriage. People fall in love or have very strong attraction, they shouldn't need a religious/government paper to do what was always considered natural.

Thank you High Priestess Lydia for the detailed explanation!

Women do not respect weak men who cannot act fairly towards a woman who has cheated on a man in the family.

I have read many stories in psychology where a decent man who thinks about the welfare of his family and children forgave his wife for cheating and tried to save the marriage, eventually his wife left such a man.

Now in the 21st century, men have a lot of problems with women, not all men are irresponsible towards women and children, but it is decent men who are at risk, because they are often guided not by natural instincts but by parenting rules that men, which women love usually do not follow (this conclusion can be drawn from works on psychology).

The question is, what ethics should men adhere to in a relationship with a woman in order to be loved and fair (when a woman crosses acceptable boundaries)? so that a woman doesn't get disappointed in a man, loves and doesn't cheat on him?
What should a man be like for a woman to want to give birth to many children from him (taking into account the peculiarities of women's health)?

Trying to understand the relationship between a man and a woman from the research of psychologists (with degrees in psychology) I see such a picture that a healthy, average woman was ready to give birth to no more than 1 child to one man with whom she was in a relationship, and was ready to give birth to 5 children from another man (conditionally).

I want to develop a general guide (instruction) for men, which also plans to include ethical rules that any man could adhere to when building a relationship with a woman, so that he could always, or almost always, enjoy success with women in love and family life, where there would be a causal relationship and any man could to see her (to see their mistakes) in a relationship with a woman, so that in the current relationship men can work out their mistakes (to work on mistakes), or in the next relationship (with a new woman) they no longer make mistakes, which these men allowed in previous relationships.

I want to make this guide for myself first, make it effective, make edits, put into practice, and then share my experience with other people.

In my opinion, it is abnormal when in the 21st century modern men who build businesses and are able to succeed in everything do not have success relationships with women and a strong family.

I hope that, for my part, I am writing everything correctly in this post.

Since I was born in a patriarchal country with a corresponding mentality (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus), which is not the same as in the USA or Canada, some of the things I write about may seem strange (too patriarchal), but this is due to the peculiarities of the mentality of the country's population I was born in.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

Since I was born in a patriarchal country with a corresponding mentality (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus), which is not the same as in the USA or Canada, some of the things I write about may seem strange (too patriarchal), but this is due to the peculiarities of the mentality of the country's population I was born in.

I think this shows most.

You don’t have to live by a set of rules or ethics or a guide. Just common sense and knowing that each relationship and person is individual and so different with different lessons and experiences.

Just know what you want, and go for the girl that has the personality and shares your world view and ethics.

I don’t understand why you have to intellectualize this so much and live by rules or follow a guide. I believe intimacy and relationships and people are so individual and different that a guide or a set of rules can’t be followed.

Just always check synastry with the other person, if there are red flags learn when to let go and you have to know what you really want yourself not what would look good for society or culture or tradition. What do you really want? What are your deep dark desires and what are you looking for in a life-time partner and what does it take to attract someone like that.

 

[Noble666]

Same problem here. I have been struggling with this obsession with virginity and purity of a partner for a long time. I try to convince myself that it is all christian nonsense, but I can’t just push it away, as if it is coming from my soul. I am a virgin, my mind is uncorrupted with constant porn, kinks or other unhealthy stuff, and I do not feel any negativity towards women. Like, I have always had (and have) friendly relationships with women, one of which has been going on since early childhood. Perhaps I am pressured by the fact that my grandparents, mom and dad always had one partner for life. I am not very strong in astrology, perhaps this also affects, I dunno. It is very difficult to fight this obsession, although deep down I understand that it is just absurd.

 

[Lucciola]

The vestals were buried alive if they violated the chastity vote.

This seems terribly cruel, practicing this hatred has nothing to do with Zevism

 

[Isisd]

This seems terribly cruel, practicing this hatred has nothing to do with Zevism

Of course it has nothing to do with us. It was another world that we can't fully comprehend, another mentality. This and animal sacrifice were considered normal

 

[MercuryWisdom]

You're right, but the main problem is to find a girl who will share your worldview as a Zevist and not consider you strange or crazy (in my country).

You can't tell an ordinary mortal girl (who is not a Zevist) that you are a Zevist, because that way you can deanonymize yourself.

When you talk about different topics, she will definitely touch upon the issue of religion and your faith in God, so as not to deanonymize yourself as a Zevist, you can say that you are a pagan, but this may cause an ambiguous reaction, instead you will most likely say that you have your own idea of God, faith and religion, or try to avoid the question, but whatever you say, if it does not correspond to her idea of normality, at least she will notice (find) for herself that, what people call oddities, and over time, she will notice more and more of these oddities.

At some points during communication, you will walk away from some topics, in any case it will also be strange, or the woman will feel that you are not sincere with her.

The main problem is that it's very hard to be yourself among ordinary people, you have to hide a lot, but some things can accidentally come out.

It is quite difficult to find one among the girls who would meet your worldview.

If you take an ordinary average girl, you will have to wear masks to hide your hobbies, such as magic and the occult.

It will be difficult for an ordinary average girl to explain why she was sorting through the attic and found black candles, magic diaries, runes, or was cleaning the room and accidentally found a magic tool, a diary, and the like.
The same applies to materials on National Socialism (literature, for example).

If you can explain to an American that this is for fun, for example, for Halloween, then a Russian person will be wary and suspect you, because, for example, in Russia all this is already legally prohibited and for the presence of such literature (National Socialism) they are imprisoned.

Yeah I can understand this struggle. With the right person though, this won’t be a problem, so don’t settle for anything less than someone who understands you, loves you despite going against the herd, and is on the same wavelength.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

Of course it has nothing to do with us. It was another world that we can't fully comprehend, another mentality. This and animal sacrifice were considered normal

Again animal sacrifice was never done by pagan civilizations either, despite it being written in books it is false.