Relationships #78020 I struggle to talk to normal people... I've tried

[Ask Satya Operator]

Should I just always avoid normies whenever possible, or try to get to know them. Is there really any point?

I only want to talk about intellectual topics, but my self-esteem takes a hit when I try to talk on their level of nonsense and I am inevitably rejected.

Is it okay to just avoid them? Or should I still try? Idk.

 

[Renita]

It is very hard to have dumb-down yourself to talk to most people (especially about spiritual matters), but protecting yourself is more important. Silence is Golden.

Most of my friends are either xians or some version of an atheist. I still have normal day to day conversations with them and still can talk and have fun with them. Don't isolate yourself just because they are not at the same level as you. Humans are social and need communication.

Depending on what you mean by "intellectual" topics, if you act a certain way, you will attract certain people. If you act like an idiot, then you will attract idiots, vice versa.

Cleaning, empowering and programming your aura to attract certain people also works well.

 

[Henu the Great]

You should find other intellectuals where such people gather to meet people who are "on your level" regarding topics you are interested in.

 

[Ex-Translator]

You can still find something in common with most people. It's important to keep contact with friends from all walks of life. The real flex is being able to communicate both with construction workers and doctors. We here in the ToZ may be more spiritual, but we're not Christian monks. We are active in society.

 

[Nikólaos666]

You should find other intellectuals where such people gather to meet people who are "on your level" regarding topics you are interested in.

I have one place for sure: demonicarmy.com/invite/SQGR0Cbr

Come and socialize with Zevists.

And like Helleniser said, you should try to find some subject with normies too. Its part of the Path. Imagine when Zevism will be the only religion and normies asking question to learn, you will have to speak to them.

I am like you but I've been better at it in the last couple of months. You only need to dive in it.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

Not all friendships are deep unions, where lives and paths conjoin. Those are "true" friendships, yes, but one only really gets to have a few of those.

"Regular" friendships are needed for a healthy life. People you share a hobby with, healthy relationships with co-workers, clubs you may go to, education and further studies (there's nothing wrong with going to seminaries, book clubs or other "intellectual" endeavors even if one is 30 and out of college), friends you go hit on girls with if you're single, friends to share a beer with or watch a movie with.

This is necessary for grounding. Don't ignore any of your chart's houses, so to say.

 

[Stormblood]

It's important to have people to both have serious conversations and light-hearted banter. We're all humans after all.

Finding the right people requires a lot of searching, weeding the wheat from the chaff. The effort you have to put is not something that should prompt you to give up. Effort is what makes things valuable. Things that are acquired easily are also lost easily because they hold little to no value.

Isolating may do you more harm than good, depending on what stage of life you're in and your birth chart.

Check your birth chart:

• Where's the hemisphere emphasis?
• What element is dominant, what are weak, what are strong? Any lacking?
• What signs on the cusp of your 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 11th? What planets inside? What are the rulers and where they are? Any aspects to those rulers?
• What's your rising sign? Where's your chart ruler? Any aspects to it?
• Any stellium? If yes, what is it, what's the ruler, what planets are involved, what aspects?
• Where's your Moon?

All this information is not for us to know. It's to give you insight on yourself, your communication style, how you have fun, what people you attract socially, etc. You can find your strengths and weaknesses there, so you can work on them. Any self-delusions as well, as the chart doesn't lie about who you are. Knowing it will give you the most self-awareness and a starting point for you to work with.

If there's any affliction in regards to the social environment you will find it and you can correct it through planetary squares and other spiritual means. You also will know what environments are the most fertile ground for you to find the best people socially. Not to mention, you'll find out how much alone time and how much social time you need, which is important in finding the right balance.

I hope my reply helps.

 

[Ask Satya Operator]

It's important to have people to both have serious conversations and light-hearted banter. We're all humans after all.

Finding the right people requires a lot of searching, weeding the wheat from the chaff. The effort you have to put is not something that should prompt you to give up. Effort is what makes things valuable. Things that are acquired easily are also lost easily because they hold little to no value.

Isolating may do you more harm than good, depending on what stage of life you're in and your birth chart.

Check your birth chart:

• Where's the hemisphere emphasis?
• What element is dominant, what are weak, what are strong? Any lacking?
• What signs on the cusp of your 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 11th? What planets inside? What are the rulers and where they are? Any aspects to those rulers?
• What's your rising sign? Where's your chart ruler? Any aspects to it?
• Any stellium? If yes, what is it, what's the ruler, what planets are involved, what aspects?
• Where's your Moon?

All this information is not for us to know. It's to give you insight on yourself, your communication style, how you have fun, what people you attract socially, etc. You can find your strengths and weaknesses there, so you can work on them. Any self-delusions as well, as the chart doesn't lie about who you are. Knowing it will give you the most self-awareness and a starting point for you to work with.

If there's any affliction in regards to the social environment you will find it and you can correct it through planetary squares and other spiritual means. You also will know what environments are the most fertile ground for you to find the best people socially. Not to mention, you'll find out how much alone time and how much social time you need, which is important in finding the right balance.

I hope my reply helps.

Thing is, my chart is of a very social (but introverted) person. I am just so dogshit at fitting in with people of this civilisation. I would fit right in on a place like Lemuria/Atlantis or the Ancient Civilisations, I'm pretty sure my past life was something like that. Which is why the contradiction, I just don't belong here. And I don't like these people.

I feel like I have to constantly censor myself in a way that is basically self-harm to my psyche. I'm not good at lying.

I want badly to be social, but only with high IQ, or artistic people, and good souls. I just don't care that much about anyone else except of basic courtesy/politeness.

My CR is Venus Virgo 11th, and heavy Aquarius Libra Sagittarius emphasis on houses/planets u mentioned. Maybe I am too picky, but idk. I think it's good to have standards. Do u think this is unwise/stupid? Will Venus Square fix this?

I looked at the stuff you mentioned, and it just seems I can basically only exist in permanent higher education environment lifelong in the sciences/arts/occult, but i dropped out before high school so i dont have qualifications to enter University

 

[ambiance211]

Should I just always avoid normies whenever possible, or try to get to know them. Is there really any point?

I only want to talk about intellectual topics, but my self-esteem takes a hit when I try to talk on their level of nonsense and I am inevitably rejected.

Is it okay to just avoid them? Or should I still try? Idk.

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[Epiphany]

My advice is not to be prejudiced. I used to have that sense of being on a different wavelength from others, and thinking I could only have satisfying conversations with certain kinds of people.

But I have since learned that everybody has something to offer, they all bring something unique to the table, and the enjoyment of getting to know a unique being with a unique perspective and experience far outweighed the enjoyment of dry intellectual discussion for me.

Actually, I don't much care for discussing intellectual things anymore, as I feel confident enough to find my own answers and accept differences with others.

I simply want to experience the personalities of others and see life in different ways, see how life is experienced through their story. I realized that the people are far more important and meaningful to me than the ideas.

The most enjoyable interactions I've had were with people who, though they may not be "geniuses", they have lived a full life and have experiences and wisdom to share.

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

Should I just always avoid normies whenever possible, or try to get to know them. Is there really any point?

I only want to talk about intellectual topics, but my self-esteem takes a hit when I try to talk on their level of nonsense and I am inevitably rejected.

Is it okay to just avoid them? Or should I still try? Idk.

Fear of dating with new people and low self-esteem are the result of a weakened Solar Chakra.

I recommend cleansing and strengthening the solar chakra daily.

 

[Stormblood]

This

Thing is, my chart is of a very social (but introverted) person. I am just so dogshit at fitting in with people of this civilisation. I would fit right in on a place like Lemuria/Atlantis or the Ancient Civilisations, I'm pretty sure my past life was something like that. Which is why the contradiction, I just don't belong here. And I don't like these people.

I feel like I have to constantly censor myself in a way that is basically self-harm to my psyche. I'm not good at lying.

I want badly to be social, but only with high IQ, or artistic people, and good souls. I just don't care that much about anyone else except of basic courtesy/politeness.

My CR is Venus Virgo 11th, and heavy Aquarius Libra Sagittarius emphasis on houses/planets u mentioned. Maybe I am too picky, but idk. I think it's good to have standards. Do u think this is unwise/stupid? Will Venus Square fix this?

I looked at the stuff you mentioned, and it just seems I can basically only exist in permanent higher education environment lifelong in the sciences/arts/occult, but i dropped out before high school so i dont have qualifications to enter University

It's perfectly healthy to want social contact and limiting it only to the right souls. It's a perfectly normal standard for higher-minded people. It's not unwise. Neither it is stupid. You're not being too picky.

You also don't need formal qualification to keep learning and educating yourself on specific topics, and you can find people who are interested in that by looking for groups both online and offline where those topics are discussed such as on here, on MeetUp and surely any directory online that you can find for offline groups that relate to your interests and preferred environment. You can also always go back to formal education any time if you feel the need to, and the circumstances are right.

Working on your solar plexus chakra, middle chakra, and throat chakra will be beneficial, both in purification and in empowerment.

Mercury can help with bring intellectual people as friends if you use the spiritual square to empower your 11th house, or any of the 2 squares to attract the right people. The material square acts on your environment, the spiritual on your self. Venus definitely can help in general, and it can also help with specific houses depending on what it rules in your chart and where it's placed. Jupiter and Sun help with blessing any area of life, any house in your chart.

For dating, you can use Venus, or your 5th house ruler.

Once you have the right people, you can understand better the dynamics of who you can share with, who you need to censor with, and how much you need to censor yourself. I understand the struggle of not having a confidante you can speak about anything with, and how it can make it difficult for you. In some cases, even talking therapy can help you have an outlet, as long as you still keep occult topics to yourself as the therapist may not understand them and it may be dangerous for you to reveal.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

Thing is, my chart is of a very social (but introverted) person. I am just so dogshit at fitting in with people of this civilisation. I would fit right in on a place like Lemuria/Atlantis or the Ancient Civilisations, I'm pretty sure my past life was something like that. Which is why the contradiction, I just don't belong here. And I don't like these people.

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Be real, don't think "muh, I was atlantis nd'shiet, and I can't talk to people", that's delusional.

It's just an excuse.

Being able to talk to people is a must for a Zevist, it's a neccessary skill that is needed in almost all the aspects of life.

A lot of people outhere have similar excuses in their own contextes.

Talk to people that you can like and avoid those who you don't like, this for friendships and relationships.
Be open to these beneficial bonds, and know that you already have the best, and the occasions will come to you.

Be yourself.

In regard to work, just be professional and do your work.

If you have strange ideas that came from internet or that you saw on internet, know that these are fake, social media is just evil social engeneering and fake.

About this, I opened my X, and only saw weak people bitching about immigration, islam, yehuborim and the like, ...then they glorify christianity as a win. They show images of big cities, a video where 100 muslims pray, and they say that the world is doomed, blablablah... they show a video of an hoe, and now they say that all women are hoes.

eternal victims, ignorant slaves, that's what they are.

Zevists must not being like these.

I went outside of my house, it was full of White families with 3-4 White children.
Dinamics with the other sex just come natural.

Internet is fake.

 

[Wisdom_Seeker]

I often ask myself the same thing, but I come to accept the fact that quality comes before quantity.

When you desire friendship, you must be aware that it is very hard to find what you would call a true friend - someone who you can trust and be open with, especially if you are not someone who is programmed to think like the majority.

I have about six people whom I call friends and who are very intelligent people that truly offer something to a conversation, we engage in philosophical conversations, and even though about three/four of them are Christians and one is a Muslim, they are not heavily into the program as such I do not have any problems conversating even about philosophical/spiritual matters with which they often agreed, but I do it in a clever and subtle way so that the information is passed without being way to open.

However, what is puzzling and bit difficult for me is the question of romance and the possibility of finding a partner with whom I might live together and still uphold my beliefs, especially considering that there is a possibility for a conflict in terms of convictions, and the fact that most women here either follow Christianity or Islam in a pious manner.

 

[Stormblood]

I doubt a Pythagorean would ever spare 2 words for the majority of today, outside of work circumstances. You don't lower yourself to the level of a child just to have so-called "friendship". Friendship can only come from someone who's at about the same level as you. The more distant you are, the more alienated you'll feel from each other. From people who are much below in ethics and understanding, it's like trying to make friends with a toddler. Can you? No, because the toddler is looking for playmates, not friends.

It's very similar to what the majority does today outside of work: they only play by themselves and with each other. A whole life revolving around play. Videogames, clubbing, pubs, doomscrolling, porn, hypersexuality... Someone who only engages with that outside of work is just at the same level of maturity of a toddler or a teenager.

There are some people who are beyond that and have a more balanced private and social life. Those are the people to focus on. Then there are people in-between, like a late teen trying to grow into a real adult.

Then there's small minority for which entertainment and productivity completely overlap. Not because they work in the entertainment industry but because their souls have reached that level of maturity. This excludes those new wealthy and business people who are only producing as a measure of their own ego, so they can fund a lavish lifestyle with the same level pointlessness as those who live their lives in function of play, but on steroids because they have finances backing them up. They're still children or teenagers, but with a better capability to generate wealth.

It's important to understand that it's okay for other people to live their lives at their own level of growth. Just because someone is in the next or a later stage, it doesn't mean those people should be undermined, nor should they be forced to grow. They have their own path to follow. Maybe they reach new levels of maturity in this life, maybe in the next or another life. It's up to them. You can guide them if they ask for it, but that's about it.
Souls aren't equal, nor worth the same. Find some at or around your level. For true friendship, and for love matters. ToZ provides all the tools to do that. There are also other bonds that are not friendship nor love, and don't require others to be at any specific level. Just remember that just because someone doesn't wear a ToZ tattoo or hasn't reached us yet, it doesn't mean they're necessarily bad or lower people. Normies come in all shapes and forms, at any stage.

For OP specifically, what makes you think you'd fit in Lemuria / Atlantis? We have no specific knowledge how life and people were back then. You'd need to speak to the Gods or see things with your psychic abilities to ascertain that. But it's a futile exercise if you're approaching that knowledge from the point of view of "Would I fit in there?". The past is the past. It has nothing to do with your present. Thinking that you only would fit in a past era only works to create hangups for you to fit in with people who are available NOW.

I would like to suggest reading: https://templeofzeus.org/Apollo_virtue_1.php

 

[Devilinside]

Should I just always avoid normies whenever possible, or try to get to know them. Is there really any point?

I only want to talk about intellectual topics, but my self-esteem takes a hit when I try to talk on their level of nonsense and I am inevitably rejected.

Is it okay to just avoid them? Or should I still try? Idk.

What I don't think is touched on enough is the amount of fakeness you meet from people than most member actually speak about but don't put in the right words for others to understand.

From the less well informed you have obvious historical/cultural imprints which have nothing to do with Satya, and you dislike them for it, or you have someone whom is self lying and this reject Satya, and you dislike them for it.

What you need is enough self respect to talk to others but on terms that are fair in laws and justice with the Gods as well as you can do. When you falter you learn and move on; if you feel you need amends than fine but being over consumed with guilt led to Aum becoming amen in Culture as an emotional weakness. In confronting this we cross our hearts in protection.

 

[Ask Satya Operator]

\nI doubt a Pythagorean would ever spare 2 words for the majority of today, outside of work circumstances. You don't lower yourself to the level of a child just to have so-called "friendship". Friendship can only come from someone who's at about the same level as you. The more distant you are, the more alienated you'll feel from each other. From people who are much below in ethics and understanding, it's like trying to make friends with a toddler. Can you? No, because the toddler is looking for playmates, not friends.\n\nIt's very similar to what the majority does today outside of work: they only play by themselves and with each other. A whole life revolving around play. Videogames, clubbing, pubs, doomscrolling, porn, hypersexuality... Someone who only engages with that outside of work is just at the same level of maturity of a toddler or a teenager.\n\nThere are some people who are beyond that and have a more balanced private and social life. Those are the people to focus on. Then there are people in-between, like a late teen trying to grow into a real adult.\n\nThen there's small minority for which entertainment and productivity completely overlap. Not because they work in the entertainment industry but because their souls have reached that level of maturity. This excludes those new wealthy and business people who are only producing as a measure of their own ego, so they can fund a lavish lifestyle with the same level pointlessness as those who live their lives in function of play, but on steroids because they have finances backing them up. They're still children or teenagers, but with a better capability to generate wealth.\n\nIt's important to understand that it's okay for other people to live their lives at their own level of growth. Just because someone is in the next or a later stage, it doesn't mean those people should be undermined, nor should they be forced to grow. They have their own path to follow. Maybe they reach new levels of maturity in this life, maybe in the next or another life. It's up to them. You can guide them if they ask for it, but that's about it.\nSouls aren't equal, nor worth the same. Find some at or around your level. For true friendship, and for love matters. ToZ provides all the tools to do that. There are also other bonds that are not friendship nor love, and don't require others to be at any specific level. Just remember that just because someone doesn't wear a ToZ tattoo or hasn't reached us yet, it doesn't mean they're necessarily bad or lower people. Normies come in all shapes and forms, at any stage.\n\nFor OP specifically, what makes you think you'd fit in Lemuria / Atlantis? We have no specific knowledge how life and people were back then. You'd need to speak to the Gods or see things with your psychic abilities to ascertain that. But it's a futile exercise if you're approaching that knowledge from the point of view of "Would I fit in there?". The past is the past. It has nothing to do with your present. Thinking that you only would fit in a past era only works to create hangups for you to fit in with people who are available NOW.\n\nI would like to suggest reading: https://templeofzeus.org/Apollo_virtue_1.php\n

\nThank you, you understand me completely, I do not feel I need to say much more, you describe it perfectly.\n\nAlso, about the past, I don't really care to fixate on the past except of how it relates to the future. I am not very inclined to nostalgia, but prefer to look forwards. The past is just a referrence point for me to understand the now, and tomorrow, and of more "exalted things" so I can re-create them.\n\nAnd for productivity and entertainment overlapping, I think that is the case for me... but could you expand on what that means? I might have misread your statement.\n\nThe ruler of my 5th is Uranus in Aquarius rx. 4th but conjunct 5th cusp. It is also conjunct South Node 4th, making hard aspects to Mercury in Scorpio 2nd and other important planets connected to my work/career, such as Sun (co-ruler) and Saturn, MC, AC, NN-10th.\n\nI would be very obsessed and find it extremely fun to work with these things, such as building Ancient occult sciences/technology and history but also Uranian things in general, of building the future/utopia.\n\nWith regards to the Lemuria/Atlantis thing, it is not necessarily there specifically but any sort of advanced civilisation where people were operating at a higher octave and purity... I am not one prone to delusion, so it's just something I kept as an open thought.\n\nFor example, I have received visions (not dreams) which implied I worked with Plato and others visited by my past-life father, who is now a God/Daemon, where he asked me to 'hurry up' and 'reach him'. There are many adepts in my bloodline so it is not totally surprising. And there were other visions relating to Astral mathematics/science.\n\nThe world itself feels somehow foreign to me. As if I am used to everyone being at a higher level and being surrounded by greatness but forced to adjust to this dump. The ugliness is astounding. And I have a strong impulse to fix things.\n\nThere is more to it, but I have already wrote a lot.\n\n\n

\nMy advice is not to be prejudiced. I used to have that sense of being on a different wavelength from others, and thinking I could only have satisfying conversations with certain kinds of people.\n\nBut I have since learned that everybody has something to offer, they all bring something unique to the table, and the enjoyment of getting to know a unique being with a unique perspective and experience far outweighed the enjoyment of dry intellectual discussion for me.\n\nActually, I don't much care for discussing intellectual things anymore, as I feel confident enough to find my own answers and accept differences with others.\n\nI simply want to experience the personalities of others and see life in different ways, see how life is experienced through their story. I realized that the people are far more important and meaningful to me than the ideas.\n\nThe most enjoyable interactions I've had were with people who, though they may not be "geniuses", they have lived a full life and have experiences and wisdom to share.\n

\nI am actually very open to all types of people, so long as I have something to learn from them such as personal stories, life experience, wisdom etc., but this isn't conducive to anything long-term as I do not usually find them very stimulating outside of these short bursts, unless they are super advanced or intelligent and worth emulating, like HP Zevios Metathronos.\n\n\n

\nBe real, don't think "muh, I was atlantis nd'shiet, and I can't talk to people", that's delusional.\n\nIt's just an excuse.\n\nBeing able to talk to people is a must for a Zevist, it's a neccessary skill that is needed in almost all the aspects of life.\n\nA lot of people outhere have similar excuses in their own contextes.\n\nTalk to people that you can like and avoid those who you don't like, this for friendships and relationships.\nBe open to these beneficial bonds, and know that you already have the best, and the occasions will come to you.\n\nBe yourself.\n\nIn regard to work, just be professional and do your work.\n\nIf you have strange ideas that came from internet or that you saw on internet, know that these are fake, social media is just evil social engeneering and fake.\n\nAbout this, I opened my X, and only saw weak people bitching about immigration, islam, yehuborim and the like, ...then they glorify christianity as a win. They show images of big cities, a video where 100 muslims pray, and they say that the world is doomed, blablablah... they show a video of an hoe, and now they say that all women are hoes.\n\neternal victims, ignorant slaves, that's what they are.\n\nZevists must not being like these.\n\nI went outside of my house, it was full of White families with 3-4 White children.\nDinamics with the other sex just come natural.\n\nInternet is fake.\n

\nI appreciate your efforts to write out this advice, but frankly you have no idea what it's like.\n\nI don't know if you have ever walked into a special needs classroom, or a mental hospital. But try it, and go make friends with them, and you will feel my plight.\n\nI am not making excuses. I don't use social media. And I have decent communication skills... That is not the problem. \n\nI am extremely dilligent with removing character flaws and I've spent years trying to accomodate and be more palatable to these people, but I've concluded we are fundamentally operating at totally different wavelengths of which THEY do not find comfortable to deal with, but I myself have tried to be open to.\n\nI try to copy and behave like the Gods, and be patient of other's weaknesses but it just gets me a spit on the face by some of these retards. If I behave more like a clown, then they like me. But f*** that.\n\nI am sick of dumbing myself down for these baboons with a down syndrome who don't even appreciate nor return my efforts.\n\nI understand them completely, but it's they who do not wish to understand me.

 

[Tandecee]

I have exactly the same problem; it makes me hate people, and then I feel guilty for hating them