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Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

Munchie Gore

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I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES
 

To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!


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As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!!Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... Sender: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:54:47 -0800To: ReplyTo: Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES
 

To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!


 
Oh okay. Thanx. I was just wondering because on one of the JOS sites it said recreational marijuana was okay...and marijuana is not something that should be used for that. Youd be trying to meditate and then you would either fall asleep or start thinking about food lol.

--- In , Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... wrote:


do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES




To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
it'd be a good idea to stop taking it for a concentration aid .< soon you'll be able to focus without that. and your nervous system will be restored, that stuff slowly harms, dependency is a root of evil .<
for fun yee :D jus not too much.... not more than you meditate




--- In , "Munchie Gore" <munchiegore@... wrote:

I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not.Hail SatanBrian

From: "eremoslukos8@..." <eremoslukos8@...
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!!Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T<hr>From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... Sender: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:54:47 -0800To: ReplyTo: Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES
 

To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
Already off of it^_^ I was only on it for 2 months anyway and I would hate to become dependent on that just so i can meditate.. Father Satan and myself are all i need. I wasn't thinking too much when i asked this question. Sorry about that.


--- In , "Lexa Osterreich" <lexaosterreich@... wrote:

it'd be a good idea to stop taking it for a concentration aid .< soon you'll be able to focus without that. and your nervous system will be restored, that stuff slowly harms, dependency is a root of evil .<
for fun yee :D jus not too much.... not more than you meditate




--- In , "Munchie Gore" <munchiegore@ wrote:

I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
Yes, this is true. I believe that even though medications are known as drugs, there is a big difference between med's and drug drugs. For instance as you spoke of, "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors" and medications which have a direct influence on mood and state-of-mind. Or such as amphetamines a direct effect or influence on the physical self as well. I am also on a type of s.s.r.i. Desaril (trazadone) for sleep. This works also on the endorphan of dopamine. Without this medication, I can go through days of insomnia with nothing but short nods. However, I don't crush and sniff these as with Adderall (speed) like I did in the past. Glad to hear that not only are you feeling better, Brian, but also that Munchie has been able to get off of it without incidents,(don't get me wrong, I know not everyone has that pre-...\forget the word/ gene to addiction as I do) I would like to notify you, or anyone else who may be wondering, that these is a good non-narcotic medication(?) For add/adhd known as Stretara) for some, not taking or having access to a medication may end up on here taking a long time to make a point! LOL, that was about me, anyway,
HAIL SATAN!!!Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@... Sender: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:39:09 -0800 (PST)To: ReplyTo: Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not.Hail SatanBrian

From: "eremoslukos8@..." <eremoslukos8@...
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!!Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T<hr>From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... Sender: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:54:47 -0800To: ReplyTo: Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES
 

To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
I wouldn't do it. Adderal actually takes away your ability to spiritually sense things, and is a drug created to fuck up people spiritually (not all medications are though some are helpful/needed at least until a person is able to heal) from personal experience I never took it but I know someone that did and was an addict of this drug. It can cause really strange thought patterns (such as obsessions, delusions etc if taken enough) I wouldn't say it would help with concentrating on meditation. I was given ritalin as a kid something in me told me to spit it out. Until my parents started forcing me to take it. I am labeled as autistic/Aspergers syndrome but I kind of doubt that I have a problem, I was more sensitive as a kid, and experiencing spiritual things and sensing vibes, and a bunch of stuff I cannot remember plus I had a sense a majority of the xtian stuff was BS and knew some of the truth from memory, was having past life flashes etc. When I went on ritilin I lost those abilities relatively quickly, and kind of forgot about them until years later. I used to for example now that I remember feel the spirits of xtians rotting away etc, when I lost that ability and was on the meds I was fooled into believing the BS. So no I don't support think you should try Adderal recreationally its not that much different than ritalin so far as the effects spiritually. I never tried adderal so I cannot say if the effects are the same. Though, but basically id say its something the Yehuborim use to brainwash people into the system, and make them more receptive to propaganda and passive to the point of being a zombie. Just my experience.
Hail Satan

--- In , eremoslukos8@... wrote:

Yes, this is true. I believe that even though medications are known as drugs, there is a big difference between med's and drug drugs. For instance as you spoke of, "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors" and medications which have a direct influence on mood and state-of-mind. Or such as amphetamines a direct effect or influence on the physical self as well. I am also on a type of s.s.r.i. Desaril (trazadone) for sleep. This works also on the endorphan of dopamine. Without this medication, I can go through days of insomnia with nothing but short nods. However, I don't crush and sniff these as with Adderall (speed) like I did in the past. Glad to hear that not only are you feeling better, Brian, but also that Munchie has been able to get off of it without incidents,(don't get me wrong, I know not everyone has that pre-...\forget the word/ gene to addiction as I do) I would like to notify you, or anyone else who may be wondering, that these is a good non-narcotic medication(?) For add/adhd known as Stretara) for some, not taking or having access to a medication may end up on here taking a long time to make a point! LOL, that was about me, anyway,
HAIL SATAN!!!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not.
Hail Satan
Brian




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As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES
 


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From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

 
I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
so ,uh, brian, was it the flouride in the prozac that helped with your depression?
 I don't get all this talk about medication. aren't we, as satanists, supposed to be the masters of, in the least, our own minds? you take pills for problems rather than actually try and fix them, is there not a clear problem there? I mean, maybe the insomnia thing makes sense, I don't know I'm not you. it could actually be really bad. but adhd medication? it makes you hyper obsessive, fucks with your head. and honestly, I can pay attention just fine if I care to, and I was diagnosed with "ADHD". I honestly dont think adhd is real. when I dedicated, one of the first things that changed in my life was my medication being completely gone. at first, I really wanted to be back on it for meditations. didn't really get things back then. how do I explain this...? I just don't get adhd medication, when all you have to do is choose to pay attention. you learn patience and stuff from meditation, even if you were diagnosed with adhd.

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From: eremoslukos8@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:01:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  Yes, this is true. I believe that even though medications are known as drugs, there is a big difference between med's and drug drugs. For instance as you spoke of, "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors" and medications which have a direct influence on mood and state-of-mind. Or such as amphetamines a direct effect or influence on the physical self as well. I am also on a type of s.s.r.i. Desaril (trazadone) for sleep. This works also on the endorphan of dopamine. Without this medication, I can go through days of insomnia with nothing but short nods. However, I don't crush and sniff these as with Adderall (speed) like I did in the past. Glad to hear that not only are you feeling better, Brian, but also that Munchie has been able to get off of it without incidents,(don't get me wrong, I know not everyone has that pre-...\forget the word/ gene to addiction as I do) I would like to notify you, or anyone else who may be wondering, that these is a good non-narcotic medication(?) For add/adhd known as Stretara) for some, not taking or having access to a medication may end up on here taking a long time to make a point! LOL, that was about me, anyway,
HAIL SATAN!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T <hr> From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@... Sender: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:39:09 -0800 (PST) To: ReplyTo: Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not. Hail Satan Brian

From: "eremoslukos8@..." <eremoslukos8@...
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T <hr> From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... Sender: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:54:47 -0800 To: ReplyTo: Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES
 

To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!

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Boosting meditations with drugs always results in boosting blockages in your chakras. Meditate without anything which is the natural way and the right way to elevate yourself.

Hail Enki!

--- In , Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... wrote:


do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES




To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
so,figure of the past, Andre,I was sharing what happened  over 20 years ago man.So don't think i am talking about recently.Not at all how i feel now,but since you brought it up,my reason for sharing that,was that if you need medication.it should be a temporary thing.But if you choose to nit pick,that's your deal not mine.And yes I believe now that advancing in meditation,can and does,heal us of any abnormalities.Hail SatanBrian 

From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@...
To:
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  so ,uh, brian, was it the flouride in the prozac that helped with your depression?
 I don't get all this talk about medication. aren't we, as satanists, supposed to be the masters of, in the least, our own minds? you take pills for problems rather than actually try and fix them, is there not a clear problem there? I mean, maybe the insomnia thing makes sense, I don't know I'm not you. it could actually be really bad. but adhd medication? it makes you hyper obsessive, fucks with your head. and honestly, I can pay attention just fine if I care to, and I was diagnosed with "ADHD". I honestly dont think adhd is real. when I dedicated, one of the first things that changed in my life was my medication being completely gone. at first, I really wanted to be back on it for meditations. didn't really get things back then. how do I explain this...? I just don't get adhd medication, when all you have to do is choose to pay attention. you learn patience and stuff from meditation, even if you were diagnosed with adhd.

To:
From: eremoslukos8@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:01:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  Yes, this is true. I believe that even though medications are known as drugs, there is a big difference between med's and drug drugs. For instance as you spoke of, "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors" and medications which have a direct influence on mood and state-of-mind. Or such as amphetamines a direct effect or influence on the physical self as well. I am also on a type of s.s.r.i. Desaril (trazadone) for sleep. This works also on the endorphan of dopamine. Without this medication, I can go through days of insomnia with nothing but short nods. However, I don't crush and sniff these as with Adderall (speed) like I did in the past. Glad to hear that not only are you feeling better, Brian, but also that Munchie has been able to get off of it without incidents,(don't get me wrong, I know not everyone has that pre-...\forget the word/ gene to addiction as I do) I would like to notify you, or anyone else who may be wondering, that these is a good non-narcotic medication(?) For add/adhd known as Stretara) for some, not taking or having access to a medication may end up on here taking a long time to make a point! LOL, that was about me, anyway,
HAIL SATAN!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T <hr> From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@... Sender: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:39:09 -0800 (PST) To: ReplyTo: Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not. Hail Satan Brian

From: "eremoslukos8@..." <eremoslukos8@...
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T <hr> From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... Sender: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:54:47 -0800 To: ReplyTo: Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES
 

To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
No shock[/IMG]</var> eating processed sugar, MSG filled "food" and sitting infront of the boobtube all day their ADD/ADHD just seem to magically vanish.

From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@...
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 3:17:14 AM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  so,figure of the past, Andre,I was sharing what happened  over 20 years ago man.So don't think i am talking about recently.Not at all how i feel now,but since you brought it up,my reason for sharing that,was that if you need medication.it should be a temporary thing.But if you choose to nit pick,that's your deal not mine.And yes I believe now that advancing in meditation,can and does,heal us of any abnormalities. Hail Satan Brian 

From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@...
To:
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  so ,uh, brian, was it the flouride in the prozac that helped with your depression?
 I don't get all this talk about medication. aren't we, as satanists, supposed to be the masters of, in the least, our own minds? you take pills for problems rather than actually try and fix them, is there not a clear problem there? I mean, maybe the insomnia thing makes sense, I don't know I'm not you. it could actually be really bad. but adhd medication? it makes you hyper obsessive, fucks with your head. and honestly, I can pay attention just fine if I care to, and I was diagnosed with "ADHD". I honestly dont think adhd is real. when I dedicated, one of the first things that changed in my life was my medication being completely gone. at first, I really wanted to be back on it for meditations. didn't really get things back then. how do I explain this...? I just don't get adhd medication, when all you have to do is choose to pay attention. you learn patience and stuff from meditation, even if you were diagnosed with adhd.
To:
From: eremoslukos8@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:01:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  Yes, this is true. I believe that even though medications are known as drugs, there is a big difference between med's and drug drugs. For instance as you spoke of, "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors" and medications which have a direct influence on mood and state-of-mind. Or such as amphetamines a direct effect or influence on the physical self as well. I am also on a type of s.s.r.i. Desaril (trazadone) for sleep. This works also on the endorphan of dopamine. Without this medication, I can go through days of insomnia with nothing but short nods. However, I don't crush and sniff these as with Adderall (speed) like I did in the past. Glad to hear that not only are you feeling better, Brian, but also that Munchie has been able to get off of it without incidents,(don't get me wrong, I know not everyone has that pre-...\forget the word/ gene to addiction as I do) I would like to notify you, or anyone else who may be wondering, that these is a good non-narcotic medication(?) For add/adhd known as Stretara) for some, not taking or having access to a medication may end up on here taking a long time to make a point! LOL, that was about me, anyway,
HAIL SATAN!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@... Sender: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:39:09 -0800 (PST) To: ReplyTo: Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not. Hail Satan Brian

From: "eremoslukos8@..." <eremoslukos8@...
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... Sender: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:54:47 -0800 To: ReplyTo: Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?
  do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES
 
To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!

 
just some advice, you shouldn't use anything "recreationally", which to me implys that you are using drugs because you are bored or have nothing else to do.when drugs become a recreational activity, than there is usually some depression involved. trust me i know from experienc. i take adderall medicinally and i never have trouble sleeping from it. you should not have to take something to sleep, that is not natural.

drugs are not fun recreational activities, this type of behavior will only harm in the end. using a drug just to have fun or just cause is definately abuse of that drug, which i personally feel is against true satanism. a person usually abuses a drug because of a lack of spiritual energy, which causes depression and carelessness. with less spiritual energy you are more likely to think "oh, it doesn't matter or what the hell, its just once right"

--- In , "cody_best1" <cody_best1@... wrote:

I have. Always want tO write music or draw when on it. Lack of sleep will take it's toll though. Better have seraquil ( or how ever it's spelled) to counter act it when your feeling like you want to sleep.

--- In , Andre Wilson <darthxilon@ wrote:


thanks ^_^




To:
From: briangibbons20@
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:32:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?








Understood and agree my brother.
Hail Satan
Brian






From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






what I was trying to get at is that Yehubor medication has Yehubor effects on peoples brains, because it was made by Yehubor's for gentiles or lower class Yehuborim which the upper class Yehuborim could care less about. Yehubor medication is used by Yehuborim for Yehubor purposes. Yehubor medication is pushed on the gentile populace for control,subjecation and stigmatizion of said populace. flouride shuts down and destroys the pineal gland. its in an anti-depressant, the one you took.
that stratera has no stimulants is of no consequence. it still fucks with your head. and that any medication that changes the way a child is able to see the world is forced upon a child is wrong. if you are forcing your kids to take adhd or other meds and they are begging you not too, then i beg you to let them be free, to be themselves, as such is a right of all beings in nature.





To:
From: briangibbons20@
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:17:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






so,figure of the past, Andre,I was sharing what happened over 20 years ago man.So don't think i am talking about recently.Not at all how i feel now,but since you brought it up,my reason for sharing that,was that if you need medication.it should be a temporary thing.But if you choose to nit pick,that's your deal not mine.And yes I believe now that advancing in meditation,can and does,heal us of any abnormalities.
Hail Satan
Brian







From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@
To:
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






so ,uh, brian, was it the flouride in the prozac that helped with your depression?
I don't get all this talk about medication. aren't we, as satanists, supposed to be the masters of, in the least, our own minds? you take pills for problems rather than actually try and fix them, is there not a clear problem there? I mean, maybe the insomnia thing makes sense, I don't know I'm not you. it could actually be really bad. but adhd medication? it makes you hyper obsessive, fucks with your head. and honestly, I can pay attention just fine if I care to, and I was diagnosed with "ADHD". I honestly dont think adhd is real. when I dedicated, one of the first things that changed in my life was my medication being completely gone. at first, I really wanted to be back on it for meditations. didn't really get things back then. how do I explain this...? I just don't get adhd medication, when all you have to do is choose to pay attention. you learn patience and stuff from meditation, even if you were diagnosed with adhd.




To:
From: eremoslukos8@
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:01:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?




Yes, this is true. I believe that even though medications are known as drugs, there is a big difference between med's and drug drugs. For instance as you spoke of, "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors" and medications which have a direct influence on mood and state-of-mind. Or such as amphetamines a direct effect or influence on the physical self as well. I am also on a type of s.s.r.i. Desaril (trazadone) for sleep. This works also on the endorphan of dopamine. Without this medication, I can go through days of insomnia with nothing but short nods. However, I don't crush and sniff these as with Adderall (speed) like I did in the past. Glad to hear that not only are you feeling better, Brian, but also that Munchie has been able to get off of it without incidents,(don't get me wrong, I know not everyone has that pre-...\forget the word/ gene to addiction as I do) I would like to notify you, or anyone else who may be wondering, that these is a good non-narcotic medication(?) For add/adhd known as Stretara) for some, not taking or having access to a medication may end up on here taking a long time to make a point! LOL, that was about me, anyway,
HAIL SATAN!!!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@
Sender:
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:39:09 -0800 (PST)
To: <
ReplyTo:
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?





Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not.
Hail Satan
Brian







From: "eremoslukos8@" <eremoslukos8@
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?





As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@
Sender:
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:54:47 -0800
To: <
ReplyTo:
Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?




do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES





To:
From: munchiegore@
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?




I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
 
no, you dont use one pill to deal with effects of the other...
 

To:
From: cody_best1@...
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:33:26 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?

  I have. Always want tO write music or draw when on it. Lack of sleep will take it's toll though. Better have seraquil ( or how ever it's spelled) to counter act it when your feeling like you want to sleep.

--- In , Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... wrote:


thanks ^_^




To:
From: briangibbons20@...
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:32:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?








Understood and agree my brother.
Hail Satan
Brian






From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@...
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 1:36 PM
Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






what I was trying to get at is that Yehubor medication has Yehubor effects on peoples brains, because it was made by Yehubor's for gentiles or lower class Yehuborim which the upper class Yehuborim could care less about. Yehubor medication is used by Yehuborim for Yehubor purposes. Yehubor medication is pushed on the gentile populace for control,subjecation and stigmatizion of said populace. flouride shuts down and destroys the pineal gland. its in an anti-depressant, the one you took.
that stratera has no stimulants is of no consequence. it still fucks with your head. and that any medication that changes the way a child is able to see the world is forced upon a child is wrong. if you are forcing your kids to take adhd or other meds and they are begging you not too, then i beg you to let them be free, to be themselves, as such is a right of all beings in nature.





To:
From: briangibbons20@...
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:17:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






so,figure of the past, Andre,I was sharing what happened over 20 years ago man.So don't think i am talking about recently.Not at all how i feel now,but since you brought it up,my reason for sharing that,was that if you need medication.it should be a temporary thing.But if you choose to nit pick,that's your deal not mine.And yes I believe now that advancing in meditation,can and does,heal us of any abnormalities.
Hail Satan
Brian







From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@...
To:
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






so ,uh, brian, was it the flouride in the prozac that helped with your depression?
I don't get all this talk about medication. aren't we, as satanists, supposed to be the masters of, in the least, our own minds? you take pills for problems rather than actually try and fix them, is there not a clear problem there? I mean, maybe the insomnia thing makes sense, I don't know I'm not you. it could actually be really bad. but adhd medication? it makes you hyper obsessive, fucks with your head. and honestly, I can pay attention just fine if I care to, and I was diagnosed with "ADHD". I honestly dont think adhd is real. when I dedicated, one of the first things that changed in my life was my medication being completely gone. at first, I really wanted to be back on it for meditations. didn't really get things back then. how do I explain this...? I just don't get adhd medication, when all you have to do is choose to pay attention. you learn patience and stuff from meditation, even if you were diagnosed with adhd.




To:
From: eremoslukos8@...
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:01:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?




Yes, this is true. I believe that even though medications are known as drugs, there is a big difference between med's and drug drugs. For instance as you spoke of, "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors" and medications which have a direct influence on mood and state-of-mind. Or such as amphetamines a direct effect or influence on the physical self as well. I am also on a type of s.s.r.i. Desaril (trazadone) for sleep. This works also on the endorphan of dopamine. Without this medication, I can go through days of insomnia with nothing but short nods. However, I don't crush and sniff these as with Adderall (speed) like I did in the past. Glad to hear that not only are you feeling better, Brian, but also that Munchie has been able to get off of it without incidents,(don't get me wrong, I know not everyone has that pre-...\forget the word/ gene to addiction as I do) I would like to notify you, or anyone else who may be wondering, that these is a good non-narcotic medication(?) For add/adhd known as Stretara) for some, not taking or having access to a medication may end up on here taking a long time to make a point! LOL, that was about me, anyway,
HAIL SATAN!!!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@...
Sender:
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:39:09 -0800 (PST)
To: <
ReplyTo:
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?





Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not.
Hail Satan
Brian







From: "eremoslukos8@..." <eremoslukos8@...
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?





As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@...
Sender:
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:54:47 -0800
To: <
ReplyTo:
Subject: RE: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?




do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES





To:
From: munchiegore@...
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?




I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

Hail Father Satan!
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It was what was proscribed to my friend and he didn't want them so I took them. I liked it. High all day slept all night. You just need to eat. I'm not saying that I recondmend doing this or that it'll help you meditate or your spirituality. But that wasn't the question. Doing aderal or vivance is like doing small doses of meth. It's not healthy and has long term side effects such as destroyed dopimen receptors and fucks with your saratonin levels.

--- In , Andre Wilson <darthxilon@... wrote:


no, you dont use one pill to deal with effects of the other...




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From: cody_best1@...
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:33:26 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






I have. Always want tO write music or draw when on it. Lack of sleep will take it's toll though. Better have seraquil ( or how ever it's spelled) to counter act it when your feeling like you want to sleep.

--- In , Andre Wilson <darthxilon@ wrote:


thanks ^_^




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From: briangibbons20@
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:32:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?








Understood and agree my brother.
Hail Satan
Brian






From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@
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what I was trying to get at is that Yehubor medication has Yehubor effects on peoples brains, because it was made by Yehubor's for gentiles or lower class Yehuborim which the upper class Yehuborim could care less about. Yehubor medication is used by Yehuborim for Yehubor purposes. Yehubor medication is pushed on the gentile populace for control,subjecation and stigmatizion of said populace. flouride shuts down and destroys the pineal gland. its in an anti-depressant, the one you took.
that stratera has no stimulants is of no consequence. it still fucks with your head. and that any medication that changes the way a child is able to see the world is forced upon a child is wrong. if you are forcing your kids to take adhd or other meds and they are begging you not too, then i beg you to let them be free, to be themselves, as such is a right of all beings in nature.





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From: briangibbons20@
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:17:14 -0800
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?






so,figure of the past, Andre,I was sharing what happened over 20 years ago man.So don't think i am talking about recently.Not at all how i feel now,but since you brought it up,my reason for sharing that,was that if you need medication.it should be a temporary thing.But if you choose to nit pick,that's your deal not mine.And yes I believe now that advancing in meditation,can and does,heal us of any abnormalities.
Hail Satan
Brian







From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@
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so ,uh, brian, was it the flouride in the prozac that helped with your depression?
I don't get all this talk about medication. aren't we, as satanists, supposed to be the masters of, in the least, our own minds? you take pills for problems rather than actually try and fix them, is there not a clear problem there? I mean, maybe the insomnia thing makes sense, I don't know I'm not you. it could actually be really bad. but adhd medication? it makes you hyper obsessive, fucks with your head. and honestly, I can pay attention just fine if I care to, and I was diagnosed with "ADHD". I honestly dont think adhd is real. when I dedicated, one of the first things that changed in my life was my medication being completely gone. at first, I really wanted to be back on it for meditations. didn't really get things back then. how do I explain this...? I just don't get adhd medication, when all you have to do is choose to pay attention. you learn patience and stuff from meditation, even if you were diagnosed with adhd.




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From: eremoslukos8@
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:01:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?




Yes, this is true. I believe that even though medications are known as drugs, there is a big difference between med's and drug drugs. For instance as you spoke of, "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors" and medications which have a direct influence on mood and state-of-mind. Or such as amphetamines a direct effect or influence on the physical self as well. I am also on a type of s.s.r.i. Desaril (trazadone) for sleep. This works also on the endorphan of dopamine. Without this medication, I can go through days of insomnia with nothing but short nods. However, I don't crush and sniff these as with Adderall (speed) like I did in the past. Glad to hear that not only are you feeling better, Brian, but also that Munchie has been able to get off of it without incidents,(don't get me wrong, I know not everyone has that pre-...\forget the word/ gene to addiction as I do) I would like to notify you, or anyone else who may be wondering, that these is a good non-narcotic medication(?) For add/adhd known as Stretara) for some, not taking or having access to a medication may end up on here taking a long time to make a point! LOL, that was about me, anyway,
HAIL SATAN!!!
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Let me add my 2 cents to this post about drugs too.I feel that drugs are helpful,and you should use then within reason.My case in point is,my brain lacked a severe amount of serotonin,so my doctor prescribed prozac,for a six month period.Now I know there have been a lot of bad things said about that one,but after six months,I was taken off of it,and it has helped me considerably.So I think,that some drugs can be beneficial when used the correct way.Just thought I would share my experience. Drugs can be beneficial,abuse of them is not.
Hail Satan
Brian







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As I'm sure you know, adderal is an amphetamine, speed. I've had my time with this medication and can say absolutely NO! If prescribed, take as directed. I won't say not to take it at all as I also have been diagnosed as adhd and it can be helpful. But once you cross that line it can be very difficult to come back and your brain chemistry will be altered to where your not "normal" without it. Some may not understand, but this is to you and if you have to ask you most likely already know the answer.
HAIL SATAN!!!
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From: Andre Wilson <darthxilon@
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do not use any drugs as a meditation boost. recreational, whatever, other than that, NOES





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From: munchiegore@
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 03:49:50 +0000
Subject: [JoS4adults] Would adderal be okay to use recreationally?




I'm prescribed to a very low dose of adderal but it helps me focus when i do power meditations and stuff like that. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep taking it occasionally for recreational use or if i should just stop taking it. It is a drug, yes, but it doesn't get me high so...?

IN NOMINE DEI NOSTRI SATANAS, LUCIFERI EXCELSI!

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