Why is intense idealism a thing in the natal charts?

[exarkuun1991]

Idealism has done nothing for me my entire life, and recently I took steps to remove it. Controlled thoughts to not feed extravagant fantasies and simulations, no desire for anything unachievable, and so far, that's not helped either. It's gotten rid of the idealism, and left it with nothingness.
I HATE this spot in my charts.
Nothing my ideal mind could conjure up was right, or fit into SS, or was within natural law, or assisted in any way. logical move, remove it. now, no improvements..
why does it exist in the first place?? it's harmful, self-destructive..

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Instead of getting rid of something like that you can learn to guide it. 

Idealism is a very useful quality and creates strong confident personalities and very innovative persons that can bring about great change in good ways, you just need to guide it so it becomes a quality that works in a positive way for you. 

Most qualities a person can have can be applied to satanism in a very posotive way, but you just have to apply these things in a positive way and if they work against you you can use meditation to change those qualities so they become positive for you and helpful for your life and your goals. 
Also when getting rid of something, make sure you actually know what you want instead of the thing you are getting rid of... If you simply do a working to remove everything undesireable you can screw yourself over by becomming completely empty, try to vizualize what you want the effect of a working to be and create affirmations to fit this purpose. 

Self destructive qualities can often be transformed to be helpful and self improving. Don't just dismiss something because you can't see a way to apply it in a positive manner, try to think "how can I change this part of myself so it becomes a helpful and positive quality that can be applied in a positive way to my life and fits with the Spiritual Satanic life and teachings of Satan". 

You got rid of the idealism and now are left with nothingness, my guess it's because you were too focussed on getting rid of something without actually knowing what you wanted instead and thus didn't vizualize positive change.

 

[exarkuun1991]

Oh, someone did respond.
No real worries, it'll reappear in a few months. It was more of a mix of removing and locking it away. It's impossible for ME to remove a natal chart effect in its entirety. It'll rear its ugly head in..a few months? Maybe sooner, depends on my energy working.
So, to respond to your "fix it up" aspect...these are purely dreamed idealism, this isn't "I'm going to be amazing some day!", this is more of an empty fantasy of being amazing..when I'm not (not as imagined). And that's it, imagined, not envisioned, not planned, not worked towards, it's a fantasy, fantasy is impossible.
My brain does logic sometimes, and sometimes it does this and limits me entirely. 
It'll return to me in time, I cannot stop that (nor should I, i have worse in my chart to really remove), but it's still an annoyance. I've never been able to plan a dream out, or work on it. Hence my lack of creativity (I posted on being more creative a long time ago)..
they're empty thoughts. they cannot be anything more. changing it into something useful is also idealistic, in some ways. 

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Do you hear yourself talking? You are completely locking your own potential away by saying "this is nothing more than empty thoughts, it cannot be anything more"....

You do know that your thoughts have power right? You are right now, programming yourself into stagnation and a quality of yourself that can be nurtured into a very helpful tool for you to advance and improve yourelf is being programmed into something that will hold you back and prevent you from doing anything...

It's purely your own fault that this quality is causing you so much trouble, because you are programming it to be useless and nothingness with those very words....

Indeed changing it into something useful is idealistic, but that is idealism applied in a helpful manner instead of locking it up and programming it to be forever a thorn in your side..

Negative thoughts create negative manifestations in your life, positive thoughts do the opposite.

I'm no expert in astrology, far from it, but my guess is you have either an abudance of air in your chart or some difficult to deal with retrogrades or a lack of earth.. Something like that seems to be present from reading your story.

You can work on that.

I really do hope that someone who is more knowledgeable in this subject will answer you. I can't really advice you very much on this, other than what I have said.

Hail Zeus!
Hail Astarte!

 

[ashleyslade0124]

I am the opposite of you, I am very Aries+Capricorn, I'm a very cynical x3 But trust me you want to have some idealism becase it's the thing which fills you with inspiration to go after your dreams and the things you want in life. I have a habit of being too pessimistic and having an overly harsh view of people sometimes more than I should. Don't get rid of your idealism completely it's what gives life meaning after all to have desires and dreams. I actually struggle to create desires and dreams honestly 0_0 being so Capricorn I am a rock of personality, I can mechanically go through life repeating things without ever getting inspired towards new things. But that also gets depressing sometimes. You maybe just want to balance yourself like we all need to do in some areas.

 

[Sweet Revenge]

Guys, let me say something, So what do I do when one is a SS but has a hard time believing in these natal charts/astrology?? As most of you know, I was a strong, hard core atheist in the past and never believed in it, even when I was a christard I never believed in it! I've looked into it a few times but I'm always hating it and it's quite disturbing that it even has to exist, wtf!? So...with that...I can't get myself to believe in this! Is something wrong with me? I'm highly skeptical of it and I truly believe it's "nothing but crap"! I even go so far and think it's so wrong to have this and believe it's true.

On Sep 16, 2016 8:46 AM, "exarkuun1991@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] wrote:

  Idealism has done nothing for me my entire life, and recently I took steps to remove it. Controlled thoughts to not feed extravagant fantasies and simulations, no desire for anything unachievable, and so far, that's not helped either. It's gotten rid of the idealism, and left it with nothingness.
I HATE this spot in my charts.
Nothing my ideal mind could conjure up was right, or fit into SS, or was within natural law, or assisted in any way. logical move, remove it. now, no improvements..
why does it exist in the first place?? it's harmful, self-destructive..

 

[exarkuun1991]

It's probably a lack of earth, from other things I've seen in my chart.
Still that's not idealism, that's called "having a goal and working towards it reasonably." Idealism is just day dreaming of being all powerful instantly for no real reason or purpose. No reason or purpose makes it empty.
I might be able to rework it but that'll take time. Still these are thoughts on their own that aren't good.
Yes I do hear myself. I talk to myself a lot. I know my own voice already.
As well I'm cynical. I'm doubtful of others. I don't trust blindly, nor should anyone, but most of the time I just don't trust others. 
All I know is it's been easier to focus on advancing recently. That's not idealism in an empty sense, that's a realistic goal to work towards.

 

[ljossmyrkr]

Have you tried doing your natal chart, or having it done? I was skeptical at first as well, but when I did my chart, I was utterly dumbfounded by how accurate it was. Started studying it more intensely after, and found nothing but accuracy

 

[exarkuun1991]

Well that was a shitty couple of days. I dont yet know what astrological element was doing what to what, but I seem to not be so..extreme right now.

I do agree now, ideal thinking can be powerful, but only if its realistic and logical as well. Otherwise its not helpful. Thoughts are magic, and if unachievable, AND don't lead to anything useful, are a waste of energy.

Now i do need some other help. Is there a way to clean a previously used pendulum? Ive done a bad thing for a number of years, carrying it in my left pocket, quite religiously, wherever I go. It seems to only respond with my own thoughts, even though I make it swear that it is being answered by whichever Demon I seek to talk to. This is annoying, but i dont have other metal strands i can use instead, merely fabric..

lets just say a certain question revelaed this issue to me. I doubt Father would agree with me on the answer..but the pendulum swing Yes.

I plan on making a better one, once i can, but that time is not now.

 

[Sweet Revenge]

If you're talking to me, no I haven't done it. I somehow can't get myself to even try it. It feels like a "danger" if I try it. Like I'll die or something. I know it sounds weird but I have such an aversion to it and not sure why.

On Sep 19, 2016 1:38 PM, "ljossmyrkr@... [JoyofSatan666]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] wrote:

  Have you tried doing your natal chart, or having it done? I was skeptical at first as well, but when I did my chart, I was utterly dumbfounded by how accurate it was. Started studying it more intensely after, and found nothing but accuracy

 

[ljossmyrkr]

Sounds like a kind of psychological hang up, honestly. I would really suggest getting it done. It won't kill you, I'd wager it'll help you to understand yourself as well

 

[exarkuun1991]

The natal chart is important for self-understanding, which as I have read last night, is a major part of Spiritual Satanism. It's worth it. You won't die..
I've done mine. I'm not a fan of it, too much junk in it, some cool stuff but like..I'm not yet strong enough to completely block TWO vital parts that are a major hindrance..I'm working on the one, random loss of large amounts of money, but still..little results. Some, but little

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

Sweet revenge, there's nothing dangerous about looking up your natal chart. In fact it's a lot of fun to read about all of the aspects in your natal chart, because you will often learn a lot of things about yourself.

One of our sisters, Lydia, is a very expert chart reader, she has her own website: http://lydiasastrology.com/
She did my natal chart reading and it was really helpful. Getting your natal chart reading will help you understand who you really are, where your weaknesses lie and where you will struggle in life, what things you are best at, what skills you are more suited to learn and master.

Most people are flying blind, many things happen in their lives that have no apparent reason, you suddenly loose your job, you have had trouble stydying your whole life, you can't find a good love relationship, you are a very stubborn person for no apparent reason, yoou suddenly get a lot of good oppertunities in your life seemingly out of nowhere that massively improve your financial situation, after many years of good health it turns out you have high risk of hearth disease.. You have bad eye sight, or perhaps you have always been healthy even when everyone around you was ill and calling off work.

I could name hundreds of things, all of these things usually have some reason behind it. Most people simply call it bad luck, or good fortune, or fate when bad things or good things happen in their lives, but it's often because of astrology.

Your natal chart is basically who you are at time of birth and how your life will go if you don't meditate or advance yourself to try and overcome your karma.

I can only give a very basic explanation since I'm not very studied in astrology.