Yehubor, "Not all Hebrews", and missing the point of Zevism

[Egon]

Praising figure of the past for his work and being "ascent" is one thing, we do not praise the political aspect of WW2 regime.

The problem is that people have an idea of figure of the past that did not truly exist;

I think you said once he had other even more relevant reincarnations than the last century one. Could you elaborate on that? Or is it something going to Personalities already? I think this could separate genuine admirers from Larpers who use him to justify their ego needs. Or maybe this is not even needed.

 

[OrionKrieger]

I think you said once he had other even more relevant reincarnations than the last century one. Could you elaborate on that? Or is it something going to Personalities already? I think this could separate genuine admirers from Larpers who use him to justify their ego needs. Or maybe this is not even needed.

The thing with figure of the past (in my opinion) is that he was the most lied about man in history. He was a great man and had a great system but for the time. All people can do is take inspiration, it’s time to evolve and make the difference we admire in others instead of boasting about stuff that happened in the past.

Im not saying that figure of the past is irrelevant, but this change that took place is for the better.

We broke the cycle of just naming the problem and not doing anything about it. We know the root cause of why things go astray and now we can actively fight back.

This is the change everyone needed, and it’s time to move forward.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

I think you said once he had other even more relevant reincarnations than the last century one. Could you elaborate on that? Or is it something going to Personalities already? I think this could separate genuine admirers from Larpers who use him to justify their ego needs. Or maybe this is not even needed.

Correct actually. HPS Pythia has previously stated he was Ramesses II. Now is a good time to confirm it and this should satisfy those genuinely curious about him from a spiritual point of view, not political one.

 

[Emergent13]

Before these changes, which I have no issue with, I am very glad that our scope of what we deem unsuitable for this place got bigger, and yehuborim encompasses all, so before these changes, we got taught that Jevvs are fundamentally evil. Their souls are different, or they got created by Corrupted Beings, etc., etc., and obviously, our clergy and High Priest was asked before why, for an example, figure of the past kept this Bloch guy safe or why he had same hebrews around him.

High Priest Zevios Metathronos states here that there was no actual acceptance, figure of the past didn't actually accepted them.
(I was going to quote his post, but this thread got removed, no issues.)

https://ancient-forums.com/threads/WW2-laws-half-yehuborim-white-yehuborim.18245/#post-70159

Anyways, we are now being told that figure of the past did accept them, as they were not yehuborim. So was our High Priest Zevios Metathronos at that time also didn't know this? And there is nothing wrong with this, of course, we all improve and learn new things, many thanks to our clergy, and especially our High Priest and High Priestess.

Another question, since there is no actual thing as jevvish race, then there is no race-mixing? So a middle eastern from this particular tribe and a "gentile" middle eastern can be together?

And since politics aren't allowed in ToZ from now on, which again I have no problem with, I am just wondering if we can't talk about Lord figure of the past, as he was a politician, wouldn't this entail the removal of some politicians that are on the Zevic Personalities section? For example, as far as I know, @Sonne [NG] is writing an article to Zevic Personalities section about the founder of modern Republic of Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, which I will be delighted to read all of it. He truly was a heroic Zevic personality, but he was a politician as well. No different than Lord figure of the past. He was a Nationalist, and there are some people in Turkey that are against him because, well, he involved in some events that made him bad through the eyes of these people. Here is the link to the event, it's a so called "massacre", which is nothing but distortion and lies.

Dersim massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So, if we are not allowed to talk about Lord figure of the past because some demographics think of him as evil and can make them scared, which would cause them to be distant towards our Temple, why is this particular situation different from Atatürk, for example? My understanding might be lacking here but well I am here to learn.

Is the only difference one won the war and the other didn't? Or that one is more popular and well know than the other?

Also, as far as I know, Lord figure of the past and his top officials had plans to slowly ditch out xianity after the war. If he didn't "lose" the war, I think we would see monumental spiritual awakening, but we can only speculate now... But wouldn't saying Lord figure of the past's Germany was very low on spirituality, which is true, a little bit undermine their possible future vision.

I am just here to ask these questions that were bugging my mind. I hope my questions are of value.

 

[Emergent13]

I am very sad that some people got banned or distanced themselves from the Temple, they were very emotional, as this change was monumental and of serious magnitude. But if one believes that our Temple is directly under the Gods, this means our Gods knew that we are ready to have this new knowledge and improve. Some people who attacked our High Priest Zevios Metathronos, without even waiting for more clarification and giving some room, I hope these people one day can return to our Temple and redeem themselves, but their actions also reflect badly on people who are actually asking questions to understand.

Since this new knowledge, there was one YouTube video, two live AMAs, and tens of posts by our Clergy, new rituals are coming and many more. Some people were too fervent; they allowed their emotions to govern themselves, but this also in a way shows one is not engaging in enough meditation. It's a very basic life skill, you DO NOT make critical decisions when you are being controlled by your emotions, and obviously attempting to slander our High Priest is something VERY serious, if you are actually taking your spiritual journey and our Gods seriously, and if you don't, then what's there to say..

 

[Gerecht_Ror]

Hebrew is based in, and stolen from, Gentile language and knowledge. Such words are poisoned by association, not that their root is bad. P. Alex explains this further:

Thanks for taking the time to answer me. I guess I have some sort of unconscios resistance to overcome and many worries, still ongoning.
I will think about that.

 

[Emergent13]

High Priest Zevios Metathronos states here that there was no actual acceptance, figure of the past didn't actually accepted them.
(I was going to quote his post, but this thread got removed, no issues.)
https://ancient-forums.com/threads/WW2-laws-half-yehuborim-white-yehuborim.18245/#post-70159

What I mentioned here wasn't on the thread I linked, sorry for the mistake. It's here.

I have replied about this before I think, but I do not recall the place where I did this.

There were categories of Yehuborim. One type of "Yehubor" that was spared, of which there were many, were Yehuborim who were not racially Yehuborim, but converts to Freemasonry/Kabbalah, and all the related garbage, who were nevertheless of Germanic stock. Albeit rare, this category actually existed back then, as it exists today. Upon racial verification up to 300 years, if one was found to be a Gentile or a recent convert, they were left alone and they were spared.

Most of it however is just lies and exaggerations. figure of the past just gave selective mercy to some Yehuborim, but they didn't accept them or anything. They just did not punish them as severely. They still remained limited in every regard, and they would be driven out when the case of their land (a world problem undecided still back then) would be resolved.

figure of the past didn't attack them brutally and in a savage way as they lied to that he did after the war. The case with this treatment was to build global trust between the newfound state of Nazi Germany with other Nations of the time, as doing deplorable acts would make them hated and nobody would want any peace, negotiations, trade agreements, and so forth.

Yehuborim in military positions were in particular a difficult topic to resolve, as they couldn't just pull them out of the military, and they had to treat them in a reasonable way as to avoid potential military coup and worse. These were also very few in number, and they were not in any serious intelligence or otherwise branch. None of these could get any offices in press, publications, nor any other important or affecting aspect of WW2 regime society. They just lived in a limbo.

Most of these categories all bent the knee to figure of the past when he came in power, and the Nazis had to look into the longterm resolution, because this was not an easy matter. All part Yehuborim had most of their rights within the German State removed under figure of the past, so they were effectively non-existent in the public assembly.

 

[sinbad]

If you're gonna leave figure of the past out of the Zevist personalities section, then why not remove the likes of Alexander, other emperors and political leaders? Didn't Hadrian conduct an actual massacre of Judea?

Just give the man his flowers as an ascended Zevist personality and the rest can remain in the past. I think everyone will agree on that.

Acting like figure of the past is now totally irrelevant is off-putting and feels like pandering.

He is on there as Rameses II

 

[sinbad]

Not sure how many different ways this has to be explained to you; being given these tools is like now having a DNA analysis tool, whilst you are complaining that you liked your label maker instead, and people that do not use label makers like the old days are weak, etc.

I think the difference is the complexity of the tools. Any random Joe could use a label maker, but DNA analysis tool, like in real life, requires a team of forensics and specialists.

To most people, it is still too abstract. And they require more time to digest these topics.

In my opinion, the knowledge is being revealed too fast.

Rather than accelerating progress, it is doing the same as what happens when one tries to do heavy cleaning workings too rapidly.

The pipes in the walls start to burst and create a bigger mess for you to clean up.

For people who enjoy mental transformation, this is just normal and they're used to it, but most require more time to digest things.

What would've produced a more seamless transition is revealing these concepts of Yehubor etc., and then allowing this food to digest in the stomach first, and then later link it to the truth of the matter regarding Jevvs

Since they already became accepting of the first thing, it is easy to accept the next thing which is an addition rather than a nuclear bomb of revelation

I don't think it is wrong to reveal these things, but human nature isn't being payed attention to

Because if the Gods want speedy transformation, going too fast has the opposite effect

It is like running to get somewhere with a bunch of papers in your hand because you are later, and then dropping everything on the floor, and now you have to waste more time picking everything up... instead of just walking there swiftly and gracefully

 

[NoCheerios]

It's not entirely accurate to say that we gentiles have ruined everything, but I would rephrase it that way - most people simply gravitate towards to shit, and only a small part of population strive to the truth. I think that truth suddenly became unpopular, which led people to decadence, and even now we see how most of the population spends their time on TikTok rather than practicing meditation. We hate the Avramists for giving people what we couldn't give them - they gave them an easy path, while we offer a struggle for our own souls rather than repentance, which automatically guarantees paradise in theirs simple mind

Could this just tie back to gnosis and there only being a few who are able to escape the cycle?

 

[Black Magic]

Could this just tie back to gnosis and there only being a few who are able to escape the cycle?

Im not sure yet, but i wanna belive that everyone can reach the Mangnvm Opvs, depends of the will of each of us, you should also not forget about genetics, it determines whether if person will be spiritual/religious or not, so there is a population that will not be drawn to higher matters in general