Why Are Posts Being Rejected?

[Ol argedco luciftias]

@Emergent13 aaaand what of it? I honestly doubt EVERYBODY who comes here does so from very noble reasons. Some come here to troll, to waste their time. Ask around, some senior members may remember infiltrators from years past, when ToZ was JoS. Those idiots did not care about ideals and goals, something higher - they were here to waste their, and our time.

And how do you know that someone who claims to be dedicated to Zeus is actually dedicated? Can't they lie? Oh, make no mistake, the OP is merely an example.

Having been here for... quite a while, and having seen things, I can confidently say that. Res, non verba - and since words are the primary means of communication, it is what and how one writes, how one communicates that is meaningful.

Will there be disagreements? I'm no fool, I know there will be - however, it is one thing to have issues and expect explanation (which is fair), whilst gaslighting others, trash-talking about legends, such as HPs Pythia, evading asnwers and in general not contributing to the development of the community, which is soemthing altogether different.

And you know, Ol algredo, Henu, ARE senior members. Soooo, talking back to them where they're doing their best to explain the sitation...

Beyond that, I've already given my thoughts on this matter in this thread. TL;DR - persisting in being an a-hole, this is what proves my 'not-a-Zevis' point.

Since the very beginning of the ancient-forums website, there have always been trolls, infiltrators, and "enemy agents" who are here only to try to harm us, only to try to create problems, to create arguments, to try to turn people away from the truth and away from the Gods. This has been happening from the beginning for all these years. Many worked slowly, acting good for a long time even years to gain everyone's trust and included some very respected and prominent members. It is not necessary to say any names, but everyone who was here then remembers several examples. The mask always falls eventually. There used to be more of this type who would infiltrate and act good for even years, with bad intentions waiting to come out.

Now there is mostly a different type, which this type has also always been here from the beginning. It is the more direct troll who does not pretend to be good for such a long time first, and maybe only acts good for a few weeks or a few months at the longest. Why waste so much time hiding for years, only to be banned immediately when they finally expose themselves? Instead this 2nd type will create many different fake accounts, maybe act good for a month or 2. Then quickly move to the next fake name and fake account. Sometimes running several of them at the same time. Goldenwings is an example of this type.


There is always one pattern that is always the same. Whenever the greatest and most important improvements are made, whenever there is an enormous jump in advancement, the Yehuborim are unable to stay quiet. They are unable to stay "under cover" and they come out screaming. The greatest example is when the Final RTR was created to directly erase the foundations of all yehuborim's curses and magic. The week that the Final RTR came out, there were many long term and respected members who absolutely went insane and exposed themselves as frauds or infiltrators.

Like I said in another topic. Norwegian Black Metal bands did not invent the Gods in the 1990s, and neither did the "occult" gay drug addicts in America and England in the 1800s. So why uphold their ideas or their thoughts of the Gods as if they are the highest truth? These people have held small pieces of important truth, but also mixed together with nonsense or lies. These small pieces of truth were necessary in the beginning as we worked to crawl out of the Dark Ages and just hold onto whatver small pieces of information about the Gods that was not fully hidden or erased. It was not perfect, it was not complete, but it was all we had at first. Goetic names which were altered, real Gods' names were hidden and erased and all we had left were false names that were slanderous at worst, or empty and incomplete at best. This is all we had to be able to call to the Gods at first, which of course is better than nothing and we were lucky to have even that. But it was not correct, and it was entirely incomplete.

Now recently, we are going back further than the last couple centuries of "occult" shadows. We are now going back further than the Dark Ages, and the dim shadows which barely remained after the Dark Ages. And now we are going back to the actual Golden Age of the Gods when the Gods lived on Earth and taught Humanity. We go back to the Golden Age of Egypt and Greece, to the Civilization that was created by the Gods. We are moving out of the Dark Ages, and moving back into the next Golden Age Civilization of the Gods, by now working with the information from the Gods themselves and from the Civilization that they have built. We are no longer working working with shadows and husks of empty, incomplete, and wrong names.


Do the Grand Ritual of Zeus. Do all or any of the new recent Gods' Rituals. All of this will be obviously and clearly felt, as clear as opening your eyes and seeing anything that is in front of you. Your soul should feel like you got hit with a bolt of Zeus's Lightning, and feel the Gods 1,000 times more strongly and more clearly than ever before. This is what all of the long term members are feeling. It is very sad if anybody is so spiritually and psychically sealed and closed off that they are unable yet to feel these things, but they need to keep working and keep growing and they will feel these blessings in time.

Or for anybody who has bad intentions or who tries to work against the Gods, of course they will be having a mental breakdown and going insane over us being able to connect with the Gods a million times stronger than ever before. Anybody who does not want this to happen will be very unhappy that it is happening.

 

[Beauty]

First, Mod please feel free to reject my replies when they are too much, i understand sometimes some replies needs to be rejected even if not going against rules, and i will not ask why or complain, thank you.

Part of the confusion here is many people have not really read the sermons that have been provided,

What i dislike about adding those parts in reply, is it signals to the High Priests : what has been published in relation to communication with Gods is enough. => they focus on something else they see the community needs.

do you believe you are currently in direct communication with Gods ?

IT SHOULD BE A YES

If its a maybe or sometimes or a no = why?
You have read sermons so why you are not in direct communication now,

Henu said if he receives vision and its clear now its all about interpretation but in fact the vision itself is not guaranteed its from Gods, i had mental visions before, so based on his answer, henu was assuming the visions are from Gods and thinking the whole matter now is only about interpretation, so there is no technique he used besides feeling intuition maybe and just trusting. Either he did not know that visions can be product of the mind or he just trusts himself,

Because you do not answer directly and try to stay intact, i have to read your answers and reverse engineer them to know what you truly think and experience and have to speculate, why not just be clear, Priest alexandros said no one communicate as accurately as HPZM, so based on the priest, you too have element of delusion, misinterpretation or anything causing inaccuracy, if you think the opposite then i really want to know why you think that, but you seem to hold back in your replies on those kind of matters like if protecting reputation and refusing to show weakness, even High Priestess Lydia said sometimes she does not hear Gods and i appreciate she dropped that casually, please be direct and tell things as they are and if you do not know just say you do not know,

If there were sermons about communication it does not mean all what needs to be said have been said, the High Priest can always bless us with new insights,

The fact that you replied and added in opening of reply :

people have not really read the sermons

It means normally you are beyond the matter,

So you are currently in communication with Gods daily right?

Same for everyone who liked your message,
Normally all of you are in communication with the Gods, otherwise why liking and approving while you too suffer from the same thing or worse? Why not ask instead and approve you have a weakness

My message got 0 likes, like if i am the only one having the question and everyone mastred this,

I think we should normalize asking and saying we dont know, and not care that much about reputation and such.

Its one thing to read and recite sermons and its another thing to be truly advanced

( i am not in someway attacking you, not even fully adressing you, just capitalizing on your message to express myself, we are talking about ideas and about the experience of communicating with Gods thats it. Nothing personal. And i have to pressure since everyone refuse to engage in this)

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

This logic is senseless. Someone claimed she approved it. Yet the language I've seen be used to describe her tells me that isn't the case. That person can't prove their claim, they merely assume I don't meditate or communicate with the Gods or something and use that as a counter to the simple request to not make that assumption. You do this too.

You are inventing a fake claim to attack me with. Where did I deny their friendship or anything? You will say anything but the fact that she never approved it, nor of her posts being removed. Give it up, rest. You're not saying anything substantial really apart from dragging this on for no reason. I said what I said and it is true. I have nothing else to say.

You're the clown here. You say a million words without saying anything. You're so insecure it's laughable. You're acting as if I have claimed the High Priest is a fraud or something. I simply denied the claim she approved the name change. Let me spell it out for you; it's because the temple is separating from the JoS and anything related to it. This isn't anything wrong.

She'd approve most of the new changes anyway. But she hasn't approved the name change and I certainly don't think she'd be happy to know she's being considered a boomer, "old" or whatever else has been said. Much less her posts being deleted permanently. She hasn't approved it. It is what it is. I meditate and contact the Gods dude. Why are you arrogantly assuming the Gods also hold your assumptions on this specific matter?

This knee jerk, alarmist response to someone disagreeing with something that hasn't even been proven is silly and people need to grow out of it.

Turning it to an existential crisis with questions of whether someone even meditates is clownery and people can do better.

Notice how you said so many things without proving that she has approved the name change and her posts getting permanently removed. But because the crowds agree with you, you don't see the error. Clown.

And like this I’m with @Ol argedco luciftias with his response. You are upset about something that wasn’t approved, Lydia brought out the reason, you didn’t like the response. Oh well. There was no ulterior motives behind Lydia’s decision, she blatantly said why. You can’t accept it and start strawman arguments. Stop wasting your time with continuing this. Because it sure is wasting ours.

 

[Hidden Warrior [SG]]

It is said the Gods are not related to politics, if a Zevist becomes politician the Gods will guide him so the Gods will be in politics through him if he channels their will, lets say he wants to choose if he joins political party A or B or C, and the Gods guide him to choose A, it does not mean the Gods adopt A view, this is only related to the circumstances of the individual, if he writes a book about how the Gods political system is A thats false,

If we had a high Priest who is all about music and start talking about how Gods supported music and how the Gods love music and he starts encouraging all Zevists to start playing instruments and we have pdfs about best musicians and history of music, and we start having RTRs against people who are against the good musicians etc..

this does not sound right i do not think Zevists will like this, we cannot take one person preference or dharma and make whole ToZ revolve around it, but on personal level it looks normal : a painter, guided by Gods, faces unfairness for example => deals with it with magic, thats normal but if this is done on the ToZ scale its a problem

ToZ should revolve around the Gods not personal preferences ,and in the personal level people are free to make their life all about music or politics or painting or whatever,

Gods are above human politics, so it will never be the case that the Gods will be in politics, even if a Zevist goes into politics. A Zevist prays to the Gods for refinement and an increase in his wisdom and understanding of justice, and the Gods will help him in this task, but what the Zevist will choose or do is not the Gods' will. It is just an interpretation of God's will, which is a different thing. The more Spiritually Elevated, the more aligned with Maat, the more the "right choice" will be chosen.
ToZ already revolves around the Gods, thanks to the monumental work of High Priest Zevios Metathronos.

But thats the norm, in this forum we do not have ´the elite ´ , we have people with beautiful souls who seek the truth and want to evolve,

The Elite are our High Priest, High Priestess, and Priest. In ToZ there is a well-established hierarchy.

I asked above about communication with Gods, in a trending thread, so everyone saw my messages, why only 2 members engaged? Its not because the others did not see, in fact they too do not know thats the truth, they too are not sure,

Don't overestimate yourself to know what the other members think. Some people just don't have time, some don't know what to say, some want to keep their spiritual development private, and only a part don't actually know. Don't expect everyone to rush in replying to you. You are not HP.

Priest Alexandros said if anyone thinks he can communicate with Gods with accuracy of HPS Pythia he is wrong and he also said no one can talk with the Gods as accurately as a High Priest Zevios Metathronos,

So what does this mean ? It means no member is able to communicate with full accuracy, which means everyone have an element of delusion, imagination or false interpretation there ( based on what i understood from the Priest, i am open for correction ), i did not see someone object, so this is telling, and then i see in threads people talking like the norm is communication with Gods,

Speaking to the Gods with full accuracy requires extensive work through multiple lifetimes. There are multiple levels of communication, and a Zevist's ability is to learn to understand Gods' messages and omens through daily life.

As for HPZM, given his current accuracy in communication with Gods, i am unsure at this point if he realize how difficult this is for other members, especially that everyone goes silent in certain subjects when they do not know which make things look like if there is nothing lacking when in fact people should start learning to say they do not know, this is of itself a form of feedback and guides the High Priests to know what are subjects they should engage with for better advancement of community.

He is very well aware of the members' situation. That's why he expanded the meditations section by introducing all the Aweraness meditations, shared the Cures and Pathologies prayers, and much more.

I asked: does hearing Gods in their voice come with no distortion,

Even this which should normally have an instant answer i did not get an answer for , instead : Go read Sermons,

I read every single thing in forum about communication with Gods,

Guardian Voice of Enki said that he communicated with the dead before, he did not include that there may be distortions or whatever

Priest alexandros said same thing, he did not talk about did not talk about distortions,

HPL talked about the yes and no method, did not talk about distortions,

and in same time when one asks, he starts receiving a lot of ´ distortion distortion delusion delusion’

I give you an example,

Seing Gods with horns or whatever is considered distortion right ?

And then HPZM said that the vision one sees is always distorted since the Gods have no form and they can appear in forms the practitioner assume holy or such

So we cannot say to one who sees Gods with horns as seing distorted image since based on what i understood from HPZM statement, ALL IS DISTORTED SO ALL FORMS ARE DISTORTIONS AND ARE NEVER FORM OF GODS

GIVEN THERE IS NO REFERENCE POINT HOW COME WE CALL SOME FORMS DISTORTED AND SOME NOT DISTORTED. IF THERE IS NO REFERENCE THEN THE BEAUTIFUL AND THE SCARY FORMS ARE BOTH VALID, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REFERENCE POINT BECAUSE THE GODS DO NOT HAVE FORM + SEING GODS IS OF ITSELF DISTORTED THE REALITY OF PERCEPTION IS LEVEL 5 GODHEAD

Read:
The Five Levels of Divine Theophany

Gods are multi-dimensional Beings, so you are really trying to oversimplify a very complex topic by using a mere binary system, "distorted/non-distorted". There are multiple levels, as I already stated before when talking about communication. Multiple levels of experience, for all our senses.
People may see the Gods based on previous knowledge that was imprinted in them through their lifetimes, as was done in Christianity for Satan and Hell.
After multiple years of cleaning and purifications, one removes this programming and will improve the interaction with the Gods.

 

[Hidden Warrior [SG]]

First, Mod please feel free to reject my replies when they are too much, i understand sometimes some replies needs to be rejected even if not going against rules, and i will not ask why or complain, thank you.

What i dislike about adding those parts in reply, is it signals to the High Priests : what has been published in relation to communication with Gods is enough. => they focus on something else they see the community needs.

do you believe you are currently in direct communication with Gods ?

IT SHOULD BE A YES

If its a maybe or sometimes or a no = why?
You have read sermons so why you are not in direct communication now,

Henu said if he receives vision and its clear now its all about interpretation but in fact the vision itself is not guaranteed its from Gods, i had mental visions before, so based on his answer, henu was assuming the visions are from Gods and thinking the whole matter now is only about interpretation, so there is no technique he used besides feeling intuition maybe and just trusting. Either he did not know that visions can be product of the mind or he just trusts himself,

Because you do not answer directly and try to stay intact, i have to read your answers and reverse engineer them to know what you truly think and experience and have to speculate, why not just be clear, Priest alexandros said no one communicate as accurately as HPZM, so based on the priest, you too have element of delusion, misinterpretation or anything causing inaccuracy, if you think the opposite then i really want to know why you think that, but you seem to hold back in your replies on those kind of matters like if protecting reputation and refusing to show weakness, even High Priestess Lydia said sometimes she does not hear Gods and i appreciate she dropped that casually, please be direct and tell things as they are and if you do not know just say you do not know,

If there were sermons about communication it does not mean all what needs to be said have been said, the High Priest can always bless us with new insights,

The fact that you replied and added in opening of reply :

It means normally you are beyond the matter,

So you are currently in communication with Gods daily right?

Same for everyone who liked your message,
Normally all of you are in communication with the Gods, otherwise why liking and approving while you too suffer from the same thing or worse? Why not ask instead and approve you have a weakness

My message got 0 likes, like if i am the only one having the question and everyone mastred this,

I think we should normalize asking and saying we dont know, and not care that much about reputation and such.

Its one thing to read and recite sermons and its another thing to be truly advanced

( i am not in someway attacking you, not even fully adressing you, just capitalizing on your message to express myself, we are talking about ideas and about the experience of communicating with Gods thats it. Nothing personal. And i have to pressure since everyone refuse to engage in this)

Stop being so aggressive.
You are pretending other members replies and continuously treating communication with the Gods as a trivial thing, like an on/off switch.

Moreover, provide actual proof of High Priestess Lydia expressing that statement, otherwise just don't use Her persona to justify your statements.

 

[Beauty]

Stop being so aggressive.

Yes thats true sorry

You are pretending other members replies

I did not understand this

and continuously treating communication with the Gods as a trivial thing, like an on/off switch.

That is exactly why i asked!! I understand its not on and off, but i needed a way to discern, otherwise if there is no way it becomes on and off.. lets say i write a text that i assume a God told me, if i have no way to discern, then i will just dismiss all text, so instead of on and off it becomes always off, thats why i do not communicate with Gods often and thats why i insisted on the matter..

Moreover, provide actual proof of High Priestess Lydia expressing that statement, otherwise just don't use Her persona to justify your statements.

I never ever use someone to justify my statement,
I read everything in forum and read what every clergy member says, so when i use someones statement its to understand not to justify,

I am not presenting an argument, its all a question framed that way to show the problem, here is the thread where High Priestess Lydia said that, you can see the line where she wrote when hearing is not clear:

Thread 'Feeling "Yes/No" During Astral Communication (Method)'
https://ancient-forums.com/threads/feeling-yes-no-during-astral-communication-method.71495/

 

[Beauty]

Gods are above human politics, so it will never be the case that the Gods will be in politics, even if a Zevist goes into politics. A Zevist prays to the Gods for refinement and an increase in his wisdom and understanding of justice, and the Gods will help him in this task, but what the Zevist will choose or do is not the Gods' will. It is just an interpretation of God's will, which is a different thing. The more Spiritually Elevated, the more aligned with Maat, the more the "right choice" will be chosen.
ToZ already revolves around the Gods, thanks to the monumental work of High Priest Zevios Metathronos.

So thats on and off..
If the Zevist is aligning more and more with Maat then we can say he is channeling Gods will, otherwise we will say no one ever channel Gods will only thing one can do is become close to that, so it becomes on and off,

I agree completely with you on this matter, i just believe when one is striving towards alignement with Gods, thats good, not necess One should be literally 1000% aligned to be called aligned..

I see it from journey perspective, one striving to be aligned with Maat, his journey is aligned with Maat thats a personal perspective i do not know if you agree

The Elite are our High Priest, High Priestess, and Priest. In ToZ there is a well-established hierarchy.

Perfect, thats exactly what i meant

Don't overestimate yourself to know what the other members think. Some people just don't have time, some don't know what to say, some want to keep their spiritual development private, and only a part don't actually know. Don't expect everyone to rush in replying to you. You are not HP.

I am not overestimating myself, i was just trying to lure people into answering this matter since it is not discussed, not very ethical way yes, but that was the intention nothing too serious

Speaking to the Gods with full accuracy requires extensive work through multiple lifetimes. There are multiple levels of communication, and a Zevist's ability is to learn to understand Gods' messages and omens through daily life.

Yes but i want to develop the telepathy way of communicating thats what i am trying to understand.. because i do not want to wait until being perfectly able to hear them, also in day 1 we are encouraged to reach out to Gods telepathically, so i believe there should be a way to keep refining the communication and getting better and better result ..

He is very well aware of the members' situation. That's why he expanded the meditations section by introducing all the Aweraness meditations, shared the Cures and Pathologies prayers, and much more.

Thats perfect news

Read:
The Five Levels of Divine Theophany

Gods are multi-dimensional Beings, so you are really trying to oversimplify a very complex topic by using a mere binary system, "distorted/non-distorted". There are multiple levels, as I already stated before when talking about communication. Multiple levels of experience, for all our senses.
People may see the Gods based on previous knowledge that was imprinted in them through their lifetimes, as was done in Christianity for Satan and Hell.
After multiple years of cleaning and purifications, one removes this programming and will improve the interaction with the Gods.

I am just trying to know a way to refine the telepathic communication, i got this day a sign, i believe this is the way,

When finishing the telepathic communication i believe now signs may happen confirming what was said was accurate, this at least i will use now

 

[Beauty]

@Hidden Warrior [SG] thank you for your reply, i forgot to say it

 

[Beauty]

for quoting, i know i should not have quoted everyone, it was too confrontational, i just was in information crisis and felt i had to, to get deep in the subject( and i have big drive to evolve which contributed to this),

and the quotes were public so even if i felt resistence i was like: hmmm actually not that bad because its [public] and assumed its ok, but im aware it wasnt best thing to do ( i will never ever quote something said privately even if its something that can be said publicly)

Also thats how i use search bar, i search keywords and see what every single member said thats why i can quote easily and never did because its confrontational, that was my first time and i guess the last

But thats the norm, in this forum we do not have ´the elite ´ , we have people with beautiful souls who seek the truth and want to evolve,

Just realised how many part of my messages may be misunderstood, here i meant one does not become elite simply by dedicating,

´we do not have elite ´ i meant that not ALL Zevist are elite = NOT ALL MEMBERS are elite ( and not talking only about in Zevism) so members may be wrong

Becoming Zevist will not make one INSTANTLY the best in a field ( mathematics, philosophy, painting, tennis etc..)

What i meant in this part, is if a member writes his opinion, it can be false, as stated in ToZ

[In the larger groups, one can expect some differing opinions and differences in personal beliefs. Please bear this in mind and use common sense before considering any advice you might receive. Zevism is thinking for yourself, so it is important to be selective when faced with new information.]

in this page:

Temple of Zeus E-Groups

I did not mean talking down on members or something like this.

Thats why i said its for a reason we have two High Priests = we agree not everyone is meeting level of a High Priest = not every single Zevist is an elite = thats why we have two High Priests.

I used the High Priest as Elite reference ( because they are elite) and because thats the highest rank. To create contrast. Thats it, Nothing too deep.

Since above it sounded like i meant there is no elite in forum, thats not what i meant.

Please read my replies assuming i have good intention otherwise it will be all misunderstood. And yes the theme of reply should be better. It was too confrontational and too agressive and thats bad, sorry.

 

[Nordicsupreme]

First, Mod please feel free to reject my replies when they are too much, i understand sometimes some replies needs to be rejected even if not going against rules, and i will not ask why or complain, thank you.

What i dislike about adding those parts in reply, is it signals to the High Priests : what has been published in relation to communication with Gods is enough. => they focus on something else they see the community needs.

do you believe you are currently in direct communication with Gods ?

IT SHOULD BE A YES

If its a maybe or sometimes or a no = why?
You have read sermons so why you are not in direct communication now,

Henu said if he receives vision and its clear now its all about interpretation but in fact the vision itself is not guaranteed its from Gods, i had mental visions before, so based on his answer, henu was assuming the visions are from Gods and thinking the whole matter now is only about interpretation, so there is no technique he used besides feeling intuition maybe and just trusting. Either he did not know that visions can be product of the mind or he just trusts himself,

Because you do not answer directly and try to stay intact, i have to read your answers and reverse engineer them to know what you truly think and experience and have to speculate, why not just be clear, Priest alexandros said no one communicate as accurately as HPZM, so based on the priest, you too have element of delusion, misinterpretation or anything causing inaccuracy, if you think the opposite then i really want to know why you think that, but you seem to hold back in your replies on those kind of matters like if protecting reputation and refusing to show weakness, even High Priestess Lydia said sometimes she does not hear Gods and i appreciate she dropped that casually, please be direct and tell things as they are and if you do not know just say you do not know,

If there were sermons about communication it does not mean all what needs to be said have been said, the High Priest can always bless us with new insights,

The fact that you replied and added in opening of reply :

It means normally you are beyond the matter,

So you are currently in communication with Gods daily right?

Same for everyone who liked your message,
Normally all of you are in communication with the Gods, otherwise why liking and approving while you too suffer from the same thing or worse? Why not ask instead and approve you have a weakness

My message got 0 likes, like if i am the only one having the question and everyone mastred this,

I think we should normalize asking and saying we dont know, and not care that much about reputation and such.

Its one thing to read and recite sermons and its another thing to be truly advanced

( i am not in someway attacking you, not even fully adressing you, just capitalizing on your message to express myself, we are talking about ideas and about the experience of communicating with Gods thats it. Nothing personal. And i have to pressure since everyone refuse to engage in this)

The important points that guide the community based on Truth are best relied upon to be delivered from the Clergy because of their level of advancement, majority of attachments to topics or theories one might have might have are not present in them. This is true for anyone on this path, the more you meditate and connect with the Gods, the more you break attachments from lies that guide you- personal or societal views. The Clergy being the most advanced are blessed to receive or be guided to information which stands true beyond time and reason.

For most people who are on a personal journey of spiritual advancement there are many fallacies to be addressed and personal blessings which are given by the Gods which I believe is the case with Henu. Even in my personal life when I truly needed help the message of the Gods was so clear that it was beyond any shadow of doubt. How do I know this? Things they told happened before my eyes sometimes 3-5 years in advance. But again these were personal gifts of guidance the Gods bestowed which were true in my case and not generalized truths. If I being told to not make a financial decision on account of it being unnecessarily risky, is a personal guidance not a generic truth which should push me away from making any financial decisions in my life and stopping other "because the gods said so" (Ofcourse I am only giving an example).

There is also conditioning of the mind which comes into play and the innate nature of a being without the Gods which might not make people be receptive of knowledge that the Gods share. I am not from a medical background and if the Gods try to guide me on it the result will be unsatisfactory making me lose time and effort in learning something I have no knowledge and interest in. When it comes to spiritual knowledge the present library you see is a result of research in multiples of the pages actually published. Such effort to understand spiritual topics makes a base for more advanced knowledge to be given to the Clergy, the pursuit of knowledge is never a one shot deal. The complexity of nature and its manifestations is something which scientists have devoted many lifetimes to.
The degree of inaccuracy you mentioned that most of us have in communications when compared to the Clergy is a result of lack of personal spiritual development and knowledge base. The Gods or the Temple aren't responsible for a lack of personal development when most tools to reach a decent degree of advancement have been provided free of charge.

The Forums have always been open for questioning the problem is the intent and depth required for initiates is missing in most cases. This leads to a loop of questions and beliefs that disregard the effort made by the Clergy and the Gods to provide people avenues to learn. When this loop is entertained as the Clergy and the Temple Staff is not shy of answering the same questions 1000 times if need be, leads to time being wasted in frivolous topics and hysteria or fear mongering by people who aren't serious in their dedication to the Gods.

On a final note all I can recommend is when you dedicate to the Gods you should show some amount of trust in the Clergy and the Gods themselves and patience and kindness towards yourself. The knowledge shared 20 years ago was challenged and many who wanted nothing to do with spirituality went on a schizo rant of how the Gods were thoughtforms and how some alien life (because they were asked to stop abusing drugs by the Temple) was controlling them and how every bad decision they made was somehow someone else's mistake. When this knowledge shared by the Temple proved to be true and got mainstream somehow everyone "already knew" everything and the Clergy or the Temple was to blame. As an individual life form you are free to study and challenge what you read and do your own research and present it to the Temple for questioning but when "personal homework" of research is neglected half understanding of Truths only brings more doubts and delay in the spiritual path and in general life. In a way it shows intellectual laziness where no personal effort is made to learn and understand. The same people who now feel violated in some manner over a simple name revision of Lady Pythia to show her divine status don't recognize the importance she gave to self study on topics ranging from Spirituality, the Gods or anything for that matter.

 

[Beauty]

SG i believe you just skimmed through my messages, its ok because you are Senior Guardian and i am new member, nothing bad

But i have to put proof that i did not undermine HP level since i feel that point may get be banned or worse, worsen my relationship with them

The Elite are our High Priest, High Priestess, and Priest. In ToZ there is a well-established hierarchy.

I literally under it said i am talking about members, and said thats why we have 2 HP meaning they are elite

check please original thread:

we do not have ´the elite ´ , we have people with beautiful souls who seek the truth and want to evolve,

It does not mean we all here are special in the sense if a Zevist say something then it must be true, or every Zevist is developed more than a non-Zevist in all areas, if one is Zevist it does not mean by law he will be best mathematician best athlete best everything, he can still be outperformed especially if he does not put in the work,

Here like in any group, the advancement, intelligence and potency differs,

Its for a reason we still only have 2 High Priests,

So do not take members opinions too seriously,

‘So do not take member seriously’

i was saying members are not all elite. Was not talking about High Priests. The point was about not taking each member opinion as 100% truth and that is stated also in ToZ.

Same happened with what i said about Gods politics i literally said exact same thing you said, i said the Gods do not adopt political views but only guide in choice, please read original thread and you will see.

 

[Beauty]

The important points that guide the community based on Truth are best relied upon to be delivered from the Clergy because of their level of advancement, majority of attachments to topics or theories one might have might have are not present in them. This is true for anyone on this path, the more you meditate and connect with the Gods, the more you break attachments from lies that guide you- personal or societal views. The Clergy being the most advanced are blessed to receive or be guided to information which stands true beyond time and reason.

For most people who are on a personal journey of spiritual advancement there are many fallacies to be addressed and personal blessings which are given by the Gods which I believe is the case with Henu. Even in my personal life when I truly needed help the message of the Gods was so clear that it was beyond any shadow of doubt. How do I know this? Things they told happened before my eyes sometimes 3-5 years in advance. But again these were personal gifts of guidance the Gods bestowed which were true in my case and not generalized truths. If I being told to not make a financial decision on account of it being unnecessarily risky, is a personal guidance not a generic truth which should push me away from making any financial decisions in my life and stopping other "because the gods said so" (Ofcourse I am only giving an example).

There is also conditioning of the mind which comes into play and the innate nature of a being without the Gods which might not make people be receptive of knowledge that the Gods share. I am not from a medical background and if the Gods try to guide me on it the result will be unsatisfactory making me lose time and effort in learning something I have no knowledge and interest in. When it comes to spiritual knowledge the present library you see is a result of research in multiples of the pages actually published. Such effort to understand spiritual topics makes a base for more advanced knowledge to be given to the Clergy, the pursuit of knowledge is never a one shot deal. The complexity of nature and its manifestations is something which scientists have devoted many lifetimes to.
The degree of inaccuracy you mentioned that most of us have in communications when compared to the Clergy is a result of lack of personal spiritual development and knowledge base. The Gods or the Temple aren't responsible for a lack of personal development when most tools to reach a decent degree of advancement have been provided free of charge.

The Forums have always been open for questioning the problem is the intent and depth required for initiates is missing in most cases. This leads to a loop of questions and beliefs that disregard the effort made by the Clergy and the Gods to provide people avenues to learn. When this loop is entertained as the Clergy and the Temple Staff is not shy of answering the same questions 1000 times if need be, leads to time being wasted in frivolous topics and hysteria or fear mongering by people who aren't serious in their dedication to the Gods.

On a final note all I can recommend is when you dedicate to the Gods you should show some amount of trust in the Clergy and the Gods themselves and patience and kindness towards yourself. The knowledge shared 20 years ago was challenged and many who wanted nothing to do with spirituality went on a schizo rant of how the Gods were thoughtforms and how some alien life (because they were asked to stop abusing drugs by the Temple) was controlling them and how every bad decision they made was somehow someone else's mistake. When this knowledge shared by the Temple proved to be true and got mainstream somehow everyone "already knew" everything and the Clergy or the Temple was to blame. As an individual life form you are free to study and challenge what you read and do your own research and present it to the Temple for questioning but when "personal homework" of research is neglected half understanding of Truths only brings more doubts and delay in the spiritual path and in general life. In a way it shows intellectual laziness where no personal effort is made to learn and understand. The same people who now feel violated in some manner over a simple name revision of Lady Pythia to show her divine status don't recognize the importance she gave to self study on topics ranging from Spirituality, the Gods or anything for that matter.

I really do not understand this,

Did you skim through my message?

This is 100% unrelated to what i mentioned,

Please can you quote me and write under it,

1000000000% all your message is 100000% unrelated to what i wrote.

Nothing bad, but just stating fact, feel free to correct me

 

[Aquarius]

for quoting, i know i should not have quoted everyone, it was too confrontational, i just was in information crisis and felt i had to, to get deep in the subject( and i have big drive to evolve which contributed to this)

You are correct in thinking, brother.

You do not have to blindly believe everything regular members say, especially the grand experiences. Keep in mind that every person who experiences the Gods does so in their own way. This means not everything is a lie or delusion - different practitioners will have different experiences based on their level of advancement.

Also, Ideally, Zevists become the top of their fields. But unless we take action toward that goal, it will remain a possibility and not a fact.

 

[Marcusfortis]

Some need to understand that the forum here is like a family home. Not everyone necessarily needs to agree with each other, but you must have respect for the rules and beliefs. There must be a hierarchical system, the same way a home has parents in charge who make the important, basic decisions for the spiritual, emotional and physical welfare of the children. If someone steps out of line they are admonished in a loving but firm way to ensure the continued functioning of the household.
In a similar way if someone walks into that home with no respect and tries to cause discord and strife, then they are told to leave.
It is no different here. We must have a functional environment to allow Zevists to spiritually grow and evolve, thereby ensuring the will of the Gods.

 

[Hidden Warrior [SG]]

SG i believe you just skimmed through my messages, its ok because you are Senior Guardian and i am new member, nothing bad

But i have to put proof that i did not undermine HP level since i feel that point may get be banned or worse, worsen my relationship with them

I literally under it said i am talking about members, and said thats why we have 2 HP meaning they are elite

check please original thread:

‘So do not take member seriously’

i was saying members are not all elite. Was not talking about High Priests. The point was about not taking each member opinion as 100% truth and that is stated also in ToZ.

Same happened with what i said about Gods politics i literally said exact same thing you said, i said the Gods do not adopt political views but only guide in choice, please read original thread and you will see.

I didn't skim through your post. I read it all and and selected the portions to reply to you. I read more carefully new members posts than the experienced ones, since the first ones need more guidance.

 

[Hierothronos]

I found the post you are referring to. Reading it, by the context of your reply to another member talking about High Priest, it sounds like you are insinuating that High Priest called Lady Pythia "a liar, a cat lady and so much more". These were your words, based on your "following the updates" (again your words) which are done by High Priest so therefore he must be the one you were talking about. You also wrote that you don't think she approved her name change, like you know better than High Priest.

That's why your post was rejected by a mod. You want to complain about High Priest, our mods don't want to approve those complaints. You wrote "What can I say anyway, clergy has already decided"; well, our mods decided not to approve your complaint.

If the above was not your intention, the context made it sound like it was, hence the disapproval of your reply.

Everyone can go and do the Ritual for Her, and see the results or ask something actually WISE and useful for your advancement, without expectations and sees what happens.

Such complaints are based on nothing, just emotional backlashes of non-sense, nor it was an experience that came out of testing by doing Rituals again and again with serious intentions and preparations.

I still have a long way to go in my path, but I try to experience at my own level, and the new updates are more powerful and liberating than everything I ever saw around.

Just one article on Zevist philosophy is like beeing free from chains and a prison. Worries about wrong concepts, gone.
And still it's just one level of it, I bet that when I advance more, I can feel the effects x10 or x100 better.

That isn't even a Ritual.

I'm just doing my job as Zevist and progressing at my own pace.
And this is just a little part of my experience and thoughts.

 

[Henu the Great]

Yes but my question is about hearing in thoughts, telepathy, this is what i struggle the most with

In that case, aside from trying to communicate in the most difficult manner (try other methods as well), you need to keep practicing.

Here we come to what i said, so its explanation after explanation and ending with : ´listen, this will make you frustrated, you know what my friend, just focus on advancing and forget about communicating telepathically with the Gods’

Both the advancement and communication can happen simultaneously....

But during beginner=> upper beginner => intermediate => upper intermediate => advanced => upper advanced

During the first parts how to check and verify and develop the telepathy in the sense of how to know when one is hearing and when not etc, what are the tools or ways or whatevee, there must be ways, its not logical to keep talking to your brain until you reach advanced level and then realise. There should be a way that act like accompanying technique or whatever

Beginners, for the most part, should not even concern themselves with telepathic communication, as there are plenty of other developments to take care of before engaging in the most demanding form of communication. It is not like that is the only way to get messages across anyway. What is the rush, by the way? You have time to practice and connect with the Gods, no?

I admit that I felt like Beauty when I read members suggesting new members to reach out to the Gods from day one. I am not a very social person, so it always felt a bit daunting to me. Do you have any advice on how to get more connected to the Gods without risking miscommunication? Should we pray and ask for more general questions instead of more direct ones?

Sigil meditation and Theurgy are great, especially for new people, as sigil meditation is a form of awareness meditation and connects to the Gods, which is crucial in this fallen world. It is also not energetically too demanding, unlike Theurgy, which can be for some people.

Maybe, instead of asking specific questions, simply asking for their protection and guidance until one feels sufficiently advanced might suffice.

Yes!

 

[High Priestess Lydia Coventina]

even High Priestess Lydia said sometimes she does not hear Gods and i appreciate she dropped that casually, [...] I am not presenting an argument, its all a question framed that way to show the problem, here is the thread where High Priestess Lydia said that, you can see the line where she wrote when hearing is not clear:

That post you cite was FOUR YEARS AGO. You don't think we advance in nearly half a decade? I wasn't even Clergy then. And you altered what I wrote. I wrote "when hearing isn't clear", you claimed I sometimes "don't hear the Gods". There is a difference between "not clear" and "not hearing at all".

Any time I am communicating with the Gods, I am able to communicate with them.

There was no ulterior motives behind Lydia’s decision, she blatantly said why.

I didn't disapprove it, another mod did, one of the SGs. I only found the post and saw why the mod disapproved it.

 

[Beauty]

That post you cite was FOUR YEARS AGO. You don't think we advance in nearly half a decade?

Greetings High Priestess,

Kindly That was exactly my point, i never meant you do not hear NOW, this was not the point of my whole replies, what i am interested in is how you discerned back then, and when you were at my current level, so that i benefit from it and i learn, i cannot even use your current techniques of discernment i assume. Since at every level its different.

So currently i am more interested in what members were doing before they were clergy, and before they became advanced, since i am there currently. I am not High Priest currently so i am interested in how you navigated the path when you were not High Priestess..

you altered what I wrote. I wrote "when hearing isn't clear", you claimed I sometimes "don't hear the Gods". There is a difference between "not clear" and "not hearing at all".

Any time I am communicating with the Gods, I am able to communicate with them.

When i communicate with Gods and get a text, even if it has great insights and verified ones, i doubt if it was really the Gods or just me, i do not know which parts were me and which were the Gods, i am not interested in having High quality knowledge from them as much as i am interested in knowing that what i hear is really them, that’s it, but because i doubt i dismiss the whole text and do not attribute it to Gods even if many times i know at least parts of the text is indeed the Gods,

so i equate not clearly communicating with not communicating, i projected the same thing unto you that’s it, i did not alter or do something out of malice, i just same judgment i put on myself, and yes the moment i posted that i knew it should have been modified, but there is no button for that in forum,

Even the fact i quoted that from you i felt bad about it since its like if you got open back then about a weakness and now i am capitalizing on it.

So i am aware of all that, sorry if it bothered you.

 

[Beauty]

What is the rush, by the way? You have time to practice and connect with the Gods, no?

Just intense longing for union with the divine

 

[Henu the Great]

Just intense longing for union with the divine

And so, you can start today with Zevist's beginner practices and Theurgy that will fulfill this need.

 

[Fahari]

Yes but i want to develop the telepathy way of communicating thats what i am trying to understand.. because i do not want to wait until being perfectly able to hear them, also in day 1 we are encouraged to reach out to Gods telepathically, so i believe there should be a way to keep refining the communication and getting better and better result ..

Just intense longing for union with the divine

The astral hearing or visions function in the same way a mirror does, a wrongly placed or dirty mirror will not reflect the light of the sun no matter how much longing or praying it does,

It just need to meet the right conditions,the right cleaning and when it does no one can argue if it's reflecting the actual light or not,

 

[Nordicsupreme]

I really do not understand this,

Did you skim through my message?

This is 100% unrelated to what i mentioned,

Please can you quote me and write under it,

1000000000% all your message is 100000% unrelated to what i wrote.

Nothing bad, but just stating fact, feel free to correct me

Yes unfortunately I skimmed through your responses and only replied with respect to communications with the Gods
Hopefully your question has been answered

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

Since the very beginning of the ancient-forums website, there have always been trolls, infiltrators, and "enemy agents" who are here only to try to harm us, only to try to create problems, to create arguments, to try to turn people away from the truth and away from the Gods. This has been happening from the beginning for all these years. Many worked slowly, acting good for a long time even years to gain everyone's trust and included some very respected and prominent members. It is not necessary to say any names, but everyone who was here then remembers several examples. The mask always falls eventually. There used to be more of this type who would infiltrate and act good for even years, with bad intentions waiting to come out.

Now there is mostly a different type, which this type has also always been here from the beginning. It is the more direct troll who does not pretend to be good for such a long time first, and maybe only acts good for a few weeks or a few months at the longest. Why waste so much time hiding for years, only to be banned immediately when they finally expose themselves? Instead this 2nd type will create many different fake accounts, maybe act good for a month or 2. Then quickly move to the next fake name and fake account. Sometimes running several of them at the same time. Goldenwings is an example of this type.


There is always one pattern that is always the same. Whenever the greatest and most important improvements are made, whenever there is an enormous jump in advancement, the Yehuborim are unable to stay quiet. They are unable to stay "under cover" and they come out screaming. The greatest example is when the Final RTR was created to directly erase the foundations of all yehuborim's curses and magic. The week that the Final RTR came out, there were many long term and respected members who absolutely went insane and exposed themselves as frauds or infiltrators.

Like I said in another topic. Norwegian Black Metal bands did not invent the Gods in the 1990s, and neither did the "occult" gay drug addicts in America and England in the 1800s. So why uphold their ideas or their thoughts of the Gods as if they are the highest truth? These people have held small pieces of important truth, but also mixed together with nonsense or lies. These small pieces of truth were necessary in the beginning as we worked to crawl out of the Dark Ages and just hold onto whatver small pieces of information about the Gods that was not fully hidden or erased. It was not perfect, it was not complete, but it was all we had at first. Goetic names which were altered, real Gods' names were hidden and erased and all we had left were false names that were slanderous at worst, or empty and incomplete at best. This is all we had to be able to call to the Gods at first, which of course is better than nothing and we were lucky to have even that. But it was not correct, and it was entirely incomplete.

Now recently, we are going back further than the last couple centuries of "occult" shadows. We are now going back further than the Dark Ages, and the dim shadows which barely remained after the Dark Ages. And now we are going back to the actual Golden Age of the Gods when the Gods lived on Earth and taught Humanity. We go back to the Golden Age of Egypt and Greece, to the Civilization that was created by the Gods. We are moving out of the Dark Ages, and moving back into the next Golden Age Civilization of the Gods, by now working with the information from the Gods themselves and from the Civilization that they have built. We are no longer working working with shadows and husks of empty, incomplete, and wrong names.


Do the Grand Ritual of Zeus. Do all or any of the new recent Gods' Rituals. All of this will be obviously and clearly felt, as clear as opening your eyes and seeing anything that is in front of you. Your soul should feel like you got hit with a bolt of Zeus's Lightning, and feel the Gods 1,000 times more strongly and more clearly than ever before. This is what all of the long term members are feeling. It is very sad if anybody is so spiritually and psychically sealed and closed off that they are unable yet to feel these things, but they need to keep working and keep growing and they will feel these blessings in time.

Or for anybody who has bad intentions or who tries to work against the Gods, of course they will be having a mental breakdown and going insane over us being able to connect with the Gods a million times stronger than ever before. Anybody who does not want this to happen will be very unhappy that it is happening.

Can you stop acting like we're in a cult you man child? Pause and think how it looks for new people when they read this childish paranoia on the forums. Zeus is an almighty and supreme cosmic being, as are the Gods. You think some random guy like me disagreeing with something is an existential threat or something? Can you please grow up for once? You're so silly you need to pull your head out of your rear end and think about how this cult tier paranoid sperging makes this place look. The fact that this is so normalised is a serious problem.

The forum is seemingly trying to move past certain things from the past but people like you behaving this way because of a disagreement is cringe and childish I can't even word it properly. No one is "infiltrating" anything.

Going into lengthy think pieces about being allegedly infiltrated because some person doesn't agree with everything is so 2006. What next, I'm from the tribe? We are so never maturing it seems. I was almost expecting you to say I'll burst into flames if I do the Grand ritual or something. I love it, and I do the God rituals. Stop this level of nonsensical paranoia and crusades for such lame reasons. Grow up.

 

[Beauty]

Yes unfortunately I skimmed through your responses and only replied with respect to communications with the Gods
Hopefully your question has been answered

Its ok, i too sometimes skim through forum lol ,thank you for your reply!

 

[Marcusfortis]

The moderators are 12 year Olds with lollipops.

 

[Nikólaos666]

The moderators are 12 year Olds with lollipops.

No AI like you said...

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Can you stop acting like we're in a cult you man child? Pause and think how it looks for new people when they read this childish paranoia on the forums. Zeus is an almighty and supreme cosmic being, as are the Gods. You think some random guy like me disagreeing with something is an existential threat or something? Can you please grow up for once? You're so silly you need to pull your head out of your rear end and think about how this cult tier paranoid sperging makes this place look. The fact that this is so normalised is a serious problem.

The forum is seemingly trying to move past certain things from the past but people like you behaving this way because of a disagreement is cringe and childish I can't even word it properly. No one is "infiltrating" anything.

Going into lengthy think pieces about being allegedly infiltrated because some person doesn't agree with everything is so 2006. What next, I'm from the tribe? We are so never maturing it seems. I was almost expecting you to say I'll burst into flames if I do the Grand ritual or something. I love it, and I do the God rituals. Stop this level of nonsensical paranoia and crusades for such lame reasons. Grow up.

When did I say your name in this post? Oh right, I didn't. I was not talking about you or I would have said it. I have not mentioned you or talked about you at all for several days. I simply don't care about you to think or speak about you personally or specifically. Unless you are saying that you are a fake account of the troll Goldenwings, as that is the only name that I did mention. This is not an accusation that I ever made about you.

I was talking about examples of people with bad intentions who are here only to create problems, and how people have been doing this for years. I have been watching this happen from the beginning. Including trying to dox people, trying to scam and steal money from people, trying to trick people into doing things that are actually cursing and harming themselves, and trying in every possible way to turn people away from the truth. I am mostly talking about people and events that happened around 10 years ago. I am thinking about people like Zola, Aldrick Strickland, and Shael.

If you think that yourself matches the description of the pattern of behaviors that I described, then that is your problem. I never mentioned your name or accused you in any way because I wasn't talking about you. Just like in my first reply on this topic with the Gif of the paper shredder, and you took it personally and got all mad. I didn't even know who you were at that time because I never looked at the user name, I simply made a joke. If I wanted to accuse you of all of these things, then I would have done it and I would have directly said it.

You are forming your own reputation by the posts that you write, just like all of us. If you don't like my posts or you don't like me, that is fine. If some of us don't like you or don't like your posts, that is also fine. I described a pattern of behaviors and actions from trolls that I have observed for years. If you believe that you fit this pattern and you fit this description, that is your own problem and you can think about why that is.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

When did I say your name in this post? Oh right, I didn't. I was not talking about you or I would have said it. I have not mentioned you or talked about you at all for several days. I simply don't care about you to think or speak about you personally or specifically. Unless you are saying that you are a fake account of the troll Goldenwings, as that is the only name that I did mention. This is not an accusation that I ever made about you.

I was talking about examples of people with bad intentions who are here only to create problems, and how people have been doing this for years. I have been watching this happen from the beginning. Including trying to dox people, trying to scam and steal money from people, trying to trick people into doing things that are actually cursing and harming themselves, and trying in every possible way to turn people away from the truth. I am mostly talking about people and events that happened around 10 years ago. I am thinking about people like Zola, Aldrick Strickland, and Shael.

If you think that yourself matches the description of the pattern of behaviors that I described, then that is your problem. I never mentioned your name or accused you in any way because I wasn't talking about you. Just like in my first reply on this topic with the Gif of the paper shredder, and you took it personally and got all mad. I didn't even know who you were at that time because I never looked at the user name, I simply made a joke. If I wanted to accuse you of all of these things, then I would have done it and I would have directly said it.

You are forming your own reputation by the posts that you write, just like all of us. If you don't like my posts or you don't like me, that is fine. If some of us don't like you or don't like your posts, that is also fine. I described a pattern of behaviors and actions from trolls that I have observed for years. If you believe that you fit this pattern and you fit this description, that is your own problem and you can think about why that is.

You are stuck in 2015 levels of paranoia about being "infiltrated". You want to talk about reputation, maybe stop this childish level of policing the forums and not make us look like what we're leaving behind.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You are stuck in 2015 levels of paranoia about being "infiltrated". You want to talk about reputation, maybe stop this childish level of policing the forums and not make us look like what we're leaving behind.

Somebody asked a question, and I answered it. It is not that big of a deal. Yes, there are retarded people coming here with fake accounts just trying to waste all of our time and trying to lie to people to turn them away from the truth. Are you saying this does not happen? Golden Wings is an example, and he has had like 50 different fake names.

Keep moving the goal posts. Keep exaggerating. Keep pretending to be unable to understand anything, instead of answering anything honestly or with self reflection. I guess it is entertaining even if nothing else.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

Somebody asked a question, and I answered it. It is not that big of a deal. Yes, there are retarded people coming here with fake accounts just trying to waste all of our time and trying to lie to people to turn them away from the truth. Are you saying this does not happen? Golden Wings is an example, and he has had like 50 different fake names.

Keep moving the goal posts. Keep exaggerating. Keep pretending to be unable to understand anything, instead of answering anything honestly or with self reflection. I guess it is entertaining even if nothing else.

The only one who has been moving goal posts is you.

 

[Nikólaos666]

I would advise everyone here to stop wasting their time with this nonsense. I think we already have said everything that has to be said. Maybe we could start a fresh thread about what your daily spiritual routine is instead.


Can we all agree on that?

Have a blessed day everyone.

 

[Henu the Great]

Accuses others of deflection.

Then does it themselves.

Normal day.