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When Will This All End?

I feel like this sermon is for me, in a way, i was as you say ''pointless worrying'' today about all this situation and the enemy again so i talked to the Gods from my heart, telling Them what is really bothers me and asked for an answer and it came through you, so a BIG thanks!
 
So far as social breakdown things are worse than the 90s that's what I always mean not spiritual knowledge that is getting way better and people are becoming a little more free.

But if anyone here is in their 60s or 70s you know what I am talking about. Look how people interacted and thought in your time vs now. You will see what I mean. Many are advancing or growing more smart but the core in the younger generations is still going downhill. Even if they find Zevism this doesn't change unless they learn the old ways of doing things that are more based on truth.
 
I haven't seen this future back then, but my father did along with everything related to our family situation around this time. This was around 2008-9. So yes this was planned a long time before. From his vision, I know more than what's happening now, but to us, it doesn't matter truly.

The whole covid spiritual backing is of pure "terror" and army-style manifestation.
 
I am extremely grateful to you for your words in this sermon, HP. Now I can finally understand the reality of the situation. I really don't know how to thank you for making me understand all of this. I did not understand well about the real situation in the world before and, in fact, I was very stupid. Really, thank you so much !!
 
Yeah sounds bad, I will get to work with meditations.

For now I have managed to get a few people onto this site(about 2, I think?)

Its not just Christians that are hard to convince, its even Pagans who don't understand that Zeus is Odin/Poseidon/Shiva. I argue with some but that's just about it.
Wiccan fools I guess. And New Agers too.

So yeah we might not be able to save everyone, but we can still save a lot ye.
 
slyscorpion said:
So far as social breakdown things are worse than the 90s that's what I always mean not spiritual knowledge that is getting way better and people are becoming a little more free.

But if anyone here is in their 60s or 70s you know what I am talking about. Look how people interacted and thought in your time vs now. You will see what I mean. Many are advancing or growing more smart but the core in the younger generations is still going downhill. Even if they find Zevism this doesn't change unless they learn the old ways of doing things that are more based on truth.

Also look at the lyrics and content of popular Music in the 90s vs now if you still don't know what I mean. This is the most super obvious example, and TV. Now a days things are just pure degeneracy unless you take the time to actually look for a bit. Back then they still had some good things. I am not talking about alternative hip hop or rock music or internet TV channels I know there is a lot more better stuff now with that than today but it's not as much mainstream.
 
The Phantom Stranger said:
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Its not just Christians that are hard to convince, its even Pagans who don't understand that Zeus is Odin/Poseidon/Shiva. I argue with some but that's just about it.
Wiccan fools I guess. And New Agers too.
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Pagans should easily understand this, since, Christianity and the enemy programs took over, and literally name all their major deities in the Bible as "Evil". This involves all Pagan religions.

However many are on a very low level and therefore understanding of this is lost in the sea of Yehuborim magick.

Astarte's Page will be up soon. I don't understand exactly how Wiccans and other "pagans" worship Venus for example, and don't understand that yehuborim literally defamed "Venus" ie, Astarte, in the Bible in the most demeaning fashion.

Many are as asleep to the extent they don't even want to accept that their "Beliefs" got flattened by the Yehuborim Programs. Regardless, they are still under the Gods, but they don't understand all of this. Don't get disheartened if they don't listen. They should be treated like cousins to ourselves and allies.

That should be logically evident yet most people are not in understanding of this. That is because of Yehuborim spells on the subject and the fact that most people don't even want to get into this [they are meant for simpler things].
 
We didn't see the beginning of all this, not our fathers and mothers, not our grandparents, but we have a chance to see the end of this slavery, and that's great!
 
not wanna hype anyone but i too believe we have done awesome.

my gd had told me there was no hope before. now there is.

it was very strong communication.

im back to do my Rituals now. two rabbis died last week in a local synagogue here. LOL. all of a sudden, LOL
 
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
The future rituals that will come will be more extensive, and we will gradually shift focus from the Ritual into other Rituals, after the enemy is sufficiently collapsed or considerably weakened. That is going to take a while, but new releases will explain on their own how things will happen.

So basically to a degree Ritual technology will slowly be made obsolete perhaps certain power dates of the enemy we return to Ritual/MRTR.

But in essence like I stated before a number of times we do have rituals for the future and we will perform Civilization magick to improve the ground.

Interesting, I knew we wouldn't be doing Ritual forever reminds me of a sermon you stated. We can do much but 2,000 years of xtianity and nearly 1,000 years of pislam it's hard to remove what they engraved unto the plain of existence.

I know some people have stated doing Rituals for years and years and years. I forgot which prominent member but we had them go as far as into the next decade. Which is like I'm sure even the most gung-ho member is like spending years doing Rituals gets a little annoying. We've had even prominent members state in the past MRTR or Ritual does get into situations of tiredness, we aren't robots meant to fight non-stop 24/7.

But at least it's nice know I was correct that we do have plans in the works and plan on improving reality. In essence I assume once the enemy is powered off since the internet it seems there will be a viral imprint on the minds of people firing off on the internet and people. It reminds me of older people who believe that when a teenager rebels they'll return to the light of christ later on. With the internet, mass communication, flash mobs; it ain't gonna happen again.

Hopefully people pick the right choice. Cause there is a lot of garbage people, I mean like HP.Cobra said there IS a reason why yehuborim call non-spiritualists, non-spiritualists.

Anyways I assume the upcoming racial multiplier rituals in comparison to the 88/99 is the newer technology we want to use to help the races especially as it seems on the news every like second thing is a racial discourse on racial marxism. Getting real tired of this stupidity with pinko-red spectrum political opposition.
 
Thanks HP, I really need sermons like this.
Hope must be kept alive at all costs to enable us to move forward, to visualise the fight, the victory.
I have put all my rage into the Rituals of the last 4 days. I'm happy to be making progress, to keep my focus, to visualise well. I feel a tremendous energy. Like external to me. Or cumulative !

Yes we are winning. We are already winning ourselves and that's not so bad.

I still feel so bad about the lizards' bullshit. May they be defaited quickly ! Yes I know.. we'll have to be patient.
 
Gear88 said:
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
The future rituals that will come will be more extensive, and we will gradually shift focus from the Ritual into other Rituals, after the enemy is sufficiently collapsed or considerably weakened. That is going to take a while, but new releases will explain on their own how things will happen.

So basically to a degree Ritual technology will slowly be made obsolete perhaps certain power dates of the enemy we return to Ritual/MRTR.

But in essence like I stated before a number of times we do have rituals for the future and we will perform Civilization magick to improve the ground.

Interesting, I knew we wouldn't be doing Ritual forever reminds me of a sermon you stated. We can do much but 2,000 years of xtianity and nearly 1,000 years of pislam it's hard to remove what they engraved unto the plain of existence.


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It may be a long while, but there will be other things complementing that. This is like applying anti-parasite nuclear bomb medication, yet this on it's own won't fix everything. As we know a body doesn't heal only by giving it antibiotics, but also vitamins, minerals and exercise.

Azazel strongly has insisted that we focus on these and only these [years ago] so that we can progressively move on to other things, as this cancer of the enemy is just too far, and it requires forceful measures.

That won't be all obviously.
 
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
Gear88 said:
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
The future rituals that will come will be more extensive, and we will gradually shift focus from the Ritual into other Rituals, after the enemy is sufficiently collapsed or considerably weakened. That is going to take a while, but new releases will explain on their own how things will happen.

So basically to a degree Ritual technology will slowly be made obsolete perhaps certain power dates of the enemy we return to Ritual/MRTR.

But in essence like I stated before a number of times we do have rituals for the future and we will perform Civilization magick to improve the ground.

Interesting, I knew we wouldn't be doing Ritual forever reminds me of a sermon you stated. We can do much but 2,000 years of xtianity and nearly 1,000 years of pislam it's hard to remove what they engraved unto the plain of existence.


...

It may be a long while, but there will be other things complementing that. This is like applying anti-parasite nuclear bomb medication, yet this on it's own won't fix everything. As we know a body doesn't heal only by giving it antibiotics, but also vitamins, minerals and exercise.

Azazel strongly has insisted that we focus on these and only these [years ago] so that we can progressively move on to other things, as this cancer of the enemy is just too far, and it requires forceful measures.

That won't be all obviously.

Fantabulous.

Although I don't claim to be the ultimate Ritual'r. It does at certain points gnaw at me of overdoing it. I did notice you made a recommendation shift sometime early last year whereby the recommended was 3-5 or 27-45 reps of F-Ritual. In essence before that it was known by many that doing a lot of Ritual is good but the problem is there was no recommended. I'm sure people realized you don't have to blow your brains out doing Ritual only to burn yourself out a slow and steady approach rather than just massive blasts.

In simplest terms there was a moving towards doing less Rituals as we had more effects and we've pumped the enemy down so there were improvements in reducing slightly our efforts. Sounds weird to state we aren't taking it easy but at least we are being more effective.

Glad to be moving, yeah I can see why coof-19 situation is a good thing. It reminds me of the old Feudal era whereby you knew you slavemaster but now slavemasters are hidden by everything.

Yeah I see your Human body reference it takes time. Anyways that is good it reminds me of last years Amazon ritual it's not gonna fully stop everything but at least people realized something is going on World-wide with the destruction of nature.

Glad to see the locomotion is improving and we can move on to improve the World.
 
I am happy to see this. The enemy didn't tear down everything as it once was and make it into what it now is overnight and it will therefore definitely not be fixed overnight. Not everyone will be saved but i am hoping a considerable number wake up. We will do our duty like always to ourselves and our race, and with the help of the Gods we will surely take this world back. We already are. Sometimes there are things even that get worse before they get better and this is temporary. Rituals other than the Rituals? i wonder what that may be? I suppose however that is too far into the future to speculate over now.
 
As a future immortal human, seeking to have a broader perspective like the gods, immortal beings, there is no need to hurry. As my DG told me "Be patient with what you know is coming". Knowing that you are in the right path (Zevism path) being persistent is definitely a desirable thing.

There are hard days due to astral shit coming from alot of differente places, it is a fact, but as Hooded mentioned in a previous post: as you become stronger you will also become more sensitive and that will make you struggle for a while but with time it will also make you more resistant to it. Do not forget that through suffering is that true changes come and knowing that I hope everyone has suffer a lot: lol: (it's a joke, I love you)

For those who know deep down that they will achieve it in this or future lives: What are 1000 or 2000 years of hard work? anyways we gonna hard work during our inmortality, arent we?

It won't take that long to help our friend billy <3 and company meet Zeus and his demons but it will definitely take a while to get all of humanity back to what it should be

When you start to enjoy present is when you stop thinking about tomorrow in a compulsive way, so if you are reaching inmortality try to always enjoy and that will give you a happier inmortality
 
It seems to be a common thing for my generation to think and say things were better in the 90s. That they were simpler and more harmonious but, I believe as you said they simply liked being able to plug their ears and cover their eyes to the corrupted world around them and continue to be satiated by the bread and circus that was given to them. Childhood nostalgia also plays apart I'm sure, as the thoughts of a time when you had no responsibility will always be remembered fondly. I get reminded by many of your sermons that even though there are plenty of times I get angry and frustrated at the current state of the world and the Potential people of the Gods that I should at least appreciate I can see the corruption being uncovered rather than it stay growing in secret. Thanks for the sermon HP.

Hail Zeus!
 
Indeed, I have also noticed, and am not immune to, the 'burnout' effect from repeatedly doing Rituals, but morale boosting posts like these definitely give me a second wind (I consider blunt reminders of the situation as 'morale boosting', even if I'm well aware of what is said).

Thanks High Priest, you do us a lot of good, brother.
 
I was reading old archive sermons of HPM and I saw rituals in 2009. The ritual was using the Black Sun, Sowilo, and blood on a board.

I was very young at that time but it amazes me how far we have come.

Thanks for the uplifting sermon HPC.
 
Invictus said:
Indeed, I have also noticed, and am not immune to, the 'burnout' effect from repeatedly doing Rituals, but morale boosting posts like these definitely give me a second wind (I consider blunt reminders of the situation as 'morale boosting', even if I'm well aware of what is said).

Thanks High Priest, you do us a lot of good, brother.

Do not burn out.

There is a line.

Do nothing - Do little - Do what you need - Do more than you "need" - Overcompensate - Overcompensate too much - Burnout - Total Fried Burnout

You want to avoid the last two territories at all times and stay in "do more than you need" and "do what you need". When one feels extra, they can overcompensate a bit, and then go back to the regular work.

Otherwise, burnout will arrive eventually.
 
Sometimes I think the Gods are communicating with us, through you, Hp Cobra. In recent days I have been full of anxiety about what the enemy has done. The current state of affairs has not satisfied them, and they are planning to strike a harder blow after the covid agenda.

The United States, Britain and Israel are holding constant exercises with their allies to attack in the Middle East and Asia. They piled thousands of tanks and soldiers in Alexandroupoli. They are insanely arming Greece. Yehubor-approved biden spent trillions of dollars on the war budget alone. This is madness. What could be done with this money for those in need in America and other parts of the world. I think a lot could have been done. After the Covid earthquake, a new world war may be the last thing this planet wants to see.

One of the main agendas of the enemy is undoubtedly the young generation. I don't know about the 80's and 90's, but today's youth is drifting downhill in a crazy way. Of course, there are also those who know the truth and live according to it, but most of them are lethargic, lazy, mentally weak and exhausted, who wear ridiculous rags, listen to rap, Netflix and drug addicts. Before I came to Zeus, I was in this stupidity too, except for the drugs part. I was in a miserable state. It's worse than being called miserable. I am grateful to the gods for saving me and not giving up on me after all. Now I have the chance to watch this theater from the outside and I realized that the drug issue is a big problem. Almost every teenager uses drugs these days. There is no young person who has not met with drug derivatives. Did the drug become widespread as a result of the special efforts of the enemy or did it find a way in all this nonsense? I'm pretty curious.

It is hopeful to know that all this will end and the light of the Gods will shine again when the time comes.As you said, everything will be fine in the end. That's for sure.
 
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
Gear88 said:
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
The future rituals that will come will be more extensive, and we will gradually shift focus from the Ritual into other Rituals, after the enemy is sufficiently collapsed or considerably weakened. That is going to take a while, but new releases will explain on their own how things will happen.


So basically to a degree Ritual technology will slowly be made obsolete perhaps certain power dates of

But in essence like I stated before a number of times we do have rituals for the future and we will perform Civilization magick to improve the ground.

Interesting, I knew we wouldn't be doing Ritual forever reminds me of a sermon you stated. We can do much but 2,000 years of xtianity and nearly 1,000 years of pislam it's hard to remove what they engraved unto the plain of existence.


...

It may be a long while, but there will be other things complementing that. This is like applying anti-parasite nuclear bomb medication, yet this on it's own won't fix everything. As we know a body doesn't heal only by giving it antibiotics, but also vitamins, minerals and exercise.

Azazel strongly has insisted that we focus on these and only these [years ago] so that we can progressively move on to other things, as this cancer of the enemy is just too far, and it requires forceful measures.

That won't be all obviously.


But in the sermon about advanced usage of the Final Ritual, you said that it was a multipurpose key to all doors and it was limited to our skill of intent and visualization. Well, I know I'm trying to up my game of understanding, but I just try to make better clarity for myself out of what is said here. So does it mean the new ones will be like an addition not a removal. I think I need real clarification or I'll just wait till then.......
 
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
Everyone here has to deal with this, if we want to change things.

Many aren't aware of the plans of the Gods or how the Gods see and plan things. This leads many to pointless worry. Tune into them and you will see what I mean here, but tune on a calm day without astral bullshit and traffic.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos 666
My "pointless worry" is that I need to do money spells related work to have financial security. Are you saying that I can ignore that completely. And work on the third eye and astral senses with Ritual's and still become financially stable/successful?

(Side note I've been with Jo's before their first forum, yahoo groups, when they use to run ad's online to templeofzeus.org)
 
I see this as analogous to when you begin to clear the negative karma accumulated in your soul over many past lives and at first it seems to get worse because it all comes to the surface before it is removed.
 
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
The Phantom Stranger said:
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Its not just Christians that are hard to convince, its even Pagans who don't understand that Zeus is Odin/Poseidon/Shiva. I argue with some but that's just about it.
Wiccan fools I guess. And New Agers too.
..

Pagans should easily understand this, since, Christianity and the enemy programs took over, and literally name all their major deities in the Bible as "Evil". This involves all Pagan religions.

However many are on a very low level and therefore understanding of this is lost in the sea of Yehuborim magick.

Astarte's Page will be up soon. I don't understand exactly how Wiccans and other "pagans" worship Venus for example, and don't understand that yehuborim literally defamed "Venus" ie, Astarte, in the Bible in the most demeaning fashion.

Many are as asleep to the extent they don't even want to accept that their "Beliefs" got flattened by the Yehuborim Programs. Regardless, they are still under the Gods, but they don't understand all of this. Don't get disheartened if they don't listen. They should be treated like cousins to ourselves and allies.

That should be logically evident yet most people are not in understanding of this. That is because of Yehuborim spells on the subject and the fact that most people don't even want to get into this [they are meant for simpler things].

This was one of the arguments I had with someone that was frustrating. They tried to tell me xtianity isn't against Paganism and kept debating it they even thought Yehubor's leader was a Pagan God since he was taken from concepts of all sorts of other pagan Gods so its OK to go to church etc.

Really frustrating. I didn't reveal I was an Zevism or anything but none of my arguments worked they also thought angels were good spirits and guides.
 
jrvan said:
slyscorpion said:
So far as social breakdown things are worse than the 90s that's what I always mean not spiritual knowledge that is getting way better and people are becoming a little more free.

But if anyone here is in their 60s or 70s you know what I am talking about. Look how people interacted and thought in your time vs now. You will see what I mean. Many are advancing or growing more smart but the core in the younger generations is still going downhill. Even if they find Zevism this doesn't change unless they learn the old ways of doing things that are more based on truth.

Actually back then most people went to church still, and socializing was as superficial and unemotional as it is now if not worse. It's just that kids were raised with more skills and common sense, and were independent. You had to know how to do certain things like read a map because there was no GPS. Kids were indoctrinated with xianity, but they just knew how to survive because they were raised well. Now you've got the new xian indoctrination which has changed from the church to the school with marxism. Kids aren't raised the same anymore, they're over sheltered, the internet makes them socially inept, they're trained to spit on their country's flag and their race (White guilt is like the new original sin), and the parents don't even teach them anything anymore and never have time for them. It's all a disaster for raising a healthy independent human.
Comparing now to back then, it's all in how kids are raised.

Stormblood has commented on this. Modern people don't even keep their living space clean. It's gross.

How many young adults even know how to cook, on average? Without a microwave. Complex meals.

The lack of skills is just so bad. Social skills, survival skills, financial skills, etc... I saw movements recently to teach skills to young adults which is fantastic, and also shows that it's a ubiquitous problem rather than isolated.

I partially blame over reliance on technology - I mean how many people even know how to use a library anymore for research, or have even ever stepped foot in one? It's that bad. But like I said, I blame parenting more than anything. I get it what with the modern work grind just to make ends meet, and that's not anyone's fault except the yehuborim. But the result is still the same. Hands off parenting is a catastrophe for society.

One more example I recently saw parents complaining about their kids not voting, and one person said they had to give them money, buy them a pizza, and also take them to the voting center just to get them to vote. I thought that was pretty funny. Every person with a smartphone these days. Although the parents have to ask who is responsible for them ending up like that. After all, the kids didn't raise themselves. Smartphones and TV... laziness and lack of drive... the child was obviously allowed to end up like this, and it was basically promoted in the child. How can the parents complain when they're the ones responsible? They threw their children right into the arms of the Marxists to raise their kids for them. It's their own fault.

Whenever I see little kids in certain public places now, they usually have a tablet. Like 4 years old with a tablet. It's not hard to see where this is all going, and it's only going to get worse unless parents take control of their child's upbringing and stop leaving it to the internet and school teachers with an agenda to destroy the country. They need to stop selling out their child's education and upbringing, and take a more hands on approach. Did you know that the Marxist teachers actively undermine the parent's authority in the mind of their own child? They tell the child that their parents are basically stupid and "haven't been in academia for a long time." Homeschooling is a bigger necessity than ever.

"Control the youth to control the future." It's the same thing that they did from day 1 with the xian churches after the fall of
Rome. School or church - it's all the same.

I myself don't know a lot of things either neither does my partner as to these "life skills" but I thought things were better back then without as many modern distractions. I guess maybe not I mean xtianity according to every source I have read was way more common back then. I bet I would have had issues fitting in but the difference is at least I would be able to understand people better. That is what is different.

I do think some people are more enslaved now than then though. I mean Marxism is the step after xtianity in the planned progression of the Yehuborim programs. In fact Marxism often tries to limit or get rid of xtianity as they don't need it anymore it has its own power and agenda they want total control. The end plan was total atheism in the end and worshipping some leader and the state as God (North Korea) as far as everything I have read. Get rid of anything spiritual at all even their own programs to remove spirituality eventually.
 
Lasollor said:
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
Everyone here has to deal with this, if we want to change things.

Many aren't aware of the plans of the Gods or how the Gods see and plan things. This leads many to pointless worry. Tune into them and you will see what I mean here, but tune on a calm day without astral bullshit and traffic.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos 666
My "pointless worry" is that I need to do money spells related work to have financial security. Are you saying that I can ignore that completely. And work on the third eye and astral senses with Ritual's and still become financially stable/successful?

(Side note I've been with Jo's before their first forum, yahoo groups, when they use to run ad's online to templeofzeus.org)

No do both. That often really isn't a "pointless worry" in fact some people are struggling to survive at all. Although I think for all Zevism they will be given various opportunities in the future at some point no one knows when that is so you have to make it till then.
 
Lasollor said:
HP. HP Zevios Metathronos said:
Everyone here has to deal with this, if we want to change things.

Many aren't aware of the plans of the Gods or how the Gods see and plan things. This leads many to pointless worry. Tune into them and you will see what I mean here, but tune on a calm day without astral bullshit and traffic.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos
My "pointless worry" is that I need to do money spells related work to have financial security. Are you saying that I can ignore that completely. And work on the third eye and astral senses with Ritual's and still become financially stable/successful?

(Side note I've been with Jo's before their first forum, yahoo groups, when they use to run ad's online to templeofzeus.org)

I didn't say that. In fact, you should be invested not only in this warfare but on yourself too.
 
I saw a really vivid dream the day before yesterday. I was going to my mirror, in the morning put out my toothpaste and was brushing my teeth and as i saw out the door (there's a small garden before the door. in my house.) I see a massive flood with people getting drowned and taken away by the current. They are screaming for help but all i hear are reverberations and not actual cries. The current isn't touching my house somehow.

As i finish brushing my teeth i see outside and i see that the small garden outside has turned into a green forest and the street is gone. There are three people who look European and have red hair for some reason and a couple raindeers and the sun is shinning and everything around them looks vibrant. After seeing that i smiled too.
 
Wotanwarrior said:
I see this as analogous to when you begin to clear the negative karma accumulated in your soul over many past lives and at first it seems to get worse because it all comes to the surface before it is removed.

I agree and think this is happening to the mass mind, some giant cleaning seems happening while the worst is coming to the surface (i.e. degeneracy and excess aggression on low levels, as said in lyrics, common behaviors, etc.) to be cleaned later on with the enemy on a very low power level, so unable to influence mass mind that much.
I remember that before figure of the past came, Germany was at a very low social level, in a general very bad condition, possibly for the same reasons.

I can relate I have been personally addressed to clean as much as possible personal/family karma and links with "those who are without" to be dragged as less as possible, to follow the general decay.
 
Thank you!
It's very actually and excellent reading.

I have an important question.
What should do if another Zevism is sociopathic and very harmful to the community?
What is the best solution?
 
Lightningsnake said:
Thank you!
It's very actually and excellent reading.

I have an important question.
What should do if another Zevism is sociopathic and very harmful to the community?
What is the best solution?

It depends to the extent of the so called tendencies of the "sociopathy".

If you are that sociopathic you don't even understand it, and cannot control it or whatever, this tendency is not to be brought in the community or in harm of other Zevism in anyway. Because that would incur punishment. That should cause a distancing.

If the person is completely unable to even comprehend this and they are utterly sociopathic and they do not want to in anyway do anything with anyone, or want to only harm others, that is not really Zevism material.

Sociopathy is also not the same as excessive confidence or even egotism, it's something else.

However, these cases will generally not align with ToZ but only on the surface, and just do so in order to further their own strange tendencies, so they generally end up like infiltrators.
 

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