When did Feminism go bad?

[Pammy]

When did Feminism go bad? Thought I would make this post as I’m actually educated on the subject.

Shulamith Firestone. Full name is Shulamith Bath Shumal Ben Ari Firestone (born Feuerstein), daughter of Solomon Feuerstein and a ''Holocaust Survivor'' Kate Weiss. Firestone synthesized Marx and Freud with Feminism in The Dialectic of Sex: The Case for Feminist Revolution (1970). She is the most prominent among the founders of 2nd Wave Feminism.

Needless to say, her philosophy is an abomination of nature, nothing short of Frankenstein. The central argument is that the origin of women’s oppression is not economic or anything else, but biological. Women's role in biological reproduction, pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, and child-rearing. According to Shulamith Firestone, these biological facts have made them dependent on men. Firestone was the first to articulate this argument in a clear, systematic framework.

Firestone’s true liberation for women is a Grey-inspired world in which babies are grown in artificial wombs. Her utopia is the elimination of sex distinction.

"The end goal of feminist revolution must be, unlike that of the first feminist movement, not just the elimination of male privilege but of the sex distinction itself: genital differences between human beings would no longer matter culturally."
— Shulamith Firestone, The Dialectic of Sex

I’d pick her as the answer to the question in the title. Imagine rooms full of growing fetuses in pods.

Let's go back a little. Was Feminism always bad? Not really. Long before Marxist Feminism was a thing, and around the time the Enlightenment was happening, it was clear that the Judaic fable of creation is the root of the oppression of women. Women were posterior et inferior. Last and lesser.

Posterior because man (Adam) was created first. Woman (Eve) was created from man and after man. If man was first, and woman was created from him, then she must be secondary and dependent, spiritually and intellectually.

Inferior because Eve was deceived by the serpent and led Adam into disobedience. Women are inferior in intelligence, proven by Eve being deceived by the serpent. Thus, women were considered inferior in intellect, virtue, and will, not just socially, but ontologically (in their very being). Women are the reason men sin. Women are ''bad'', they tempt men. The theme exists and is echoed in various tales, with witches being bad and ugly. Bad and vile stepmom. Women are the origin of the fall of humanity and the face of sin in Christianity and in Islam, rooted in Jewish origins of these programs.

According to the Church and to Islam, women's submission is a divine order from the Jewish God. It was a justification to limit education and agency, to enforce silence on them, and exclude them from the priesthood, the academy, medicinal professions, and pretty much any high-status position. Women being mentally or morally inferior is a Jewish teaching originated from the Adam and Eve tale. Be rid of it if you fell for the programming.

1 Corinthians 11: “Man is the head of woman.”
Ephesians 5: “Wives, submit to your husbands.”

Islam has identical verses. In both so-called religions, women are seen as inferior in intelligence and morals; they should have no rights over their own bodies and lives.

Back to the subject, around the time of the Enlightenment English proto-feminists Jane Anger and Rachel Speght (name may sound Jewish, but she was from Puritan English parents) had a problem with ''posterior et inferior''.

Jane Anger (1589) used satire and criticized the Church, mocked men's and the Church's obsession with women’s bodies and beauty. If woman was created later, she would be the superior and masterwork of the God.

Rachel Speght (1617) produced theological arguments and used Christian scriptures. If Adam was oh so mightier and more intelligent, morally and intellectually superior, he should have just... not be deceived? Right?

Both women stayed inside the Judaic story, it would not be possible to do otherwise at the time, but they were criticizing the pastors and the Church. They lived before Feminism existed as a structured ideology. They are considered proto-feminists; thanks to them, feminism exists.

Virginia Woolf was a late 1st-wave feminist. Her work is fine. A Room of One’s Own was a good read as much as I remember. It is recommended. Sylvia Plath, quote:

''Yes, my consuming desire to mingle with road crews, sailors and soldiers, bar room regulars--to be a part of a scene, anonymous, listening, recording--all is spoiled by the fact that I am a girl, a female always in danger of assault and battery. My consuming interest in men and their lives is often misconstrued as a desire to seduce them, or as an invitation to intimacy. Yet, God, I want to talk to everybody I can as deeply as I can. I want to be able to sleep in an open field, to travel west, to walk freely at night...”― Sylvia Plath, The Unabridged Journals of Sylvia Plath''

She explains it very well. Every time I see clovers, I stop to look for a four-leaf one. One day, I was doing exactly that. Dilly-dallying in a park looking for a four-leaf clover. A few hours later, I saw a young girl's post on social media, how she was catcalled and harassed, stalked by a car because she was alone in a park (like I was the versy same day) and men in the car thought she was a prostitute. They followed her to her home, found out whose home it is, then called her father to ''warn'' him. What other reason can a woman have by being alone in a park other than selling sex, right? Anything women do is to tempt men. Women need to be controlled because they lack intelligence and morals. This is Christian/Muslim mindset.

Mother Lilith is the liberator of women. She is the patron of strong women and a Goddess of women's rights. Lilith represents sexual liberation and sex for pleasure. She is the exaltation of the feminine divine. Lilith also stands for abortion rights and birth control. This is stated in the Temple of Zeus. Countless women do not have access to these rights. Even when abortion is legal and has been legal for 50 years like in Türkiye, muslims will try to stop and shame women.

So no, Feminism pointed out issues, rightfully so. It was a decent thing from multiple accounts. Then Shulamith Firestone happened. Marxist feminism happened.

What about now? Is Feminism bad right now? It is complicated. 3rd wave feminism has a branch that views traditional feminine things as important as traditional masculine things, such as cooking and stitching, or motherhood, and has the idea that women do not have to be manly to be strong. Like the "Lipstick feminism" sub-branch celebrates feminine expression without seeing it as weakness.

The 1st wave was mostly a struggle to be recognized as humans and not just genitals. For the right to inherit, to have say in their life, to have legal rights, to vote, to receive education. 2nd wave created Marxist, socialist, radical, liberal strands. Made it something broader. The 2nd wave was organized and sought to fight, while the 3rd wave is individual with temporary alliances, decentralized. TERF (trans exclusive feminists) are not as crazy as Marxist feminists. However, Marxist and Freudian aspects are not completely erased from the 3rd wave and whatever wave is going on at the moment. There is intersectional feminism, post-structuralist/post-modern feminism, post-colonial feminism, feminism of the new generation, and so on.

Anyway, I don't know how to conclude this. Early Feminism makes sense, Marxist Feminism is inhumane, and the rest is complicated.

Endless respect to our Founding Mother, High Priestess, Lady Maxine. She is and will be an idol to women for generations to come.

 

[HPS Lydia]

The bad side of feminism will end on its own when both genders heal from trauma, stop being triggered so easily, and stop aiming all their hate and frustration onto the other entire gender. A lot of misogynists deliberately provoke women, which instigates feminism further.

Interestingly, feminists are advocating against the media using the phrase "toxic masculinity" because feminists believe masculinity in itself is not toxic. It's the media who says feminists are against masculinity.

People need to understand our Gods, and how They designed us to be. A lot of men simply don't understand that woman aren't supposed to be uneducated and silent all the time, they look to xian beliefs and think that's it. Our Gods highly value education and clear communication, and bonding and unity between the genders.

3rd wave feminism has a branch that views traditional feminine things as important as traditional masculine things, such as cooking and stitching, or motherhood, and has the idea that women do not have to be manly to be strong.

The only feminist I knew in real life was a happily married homemaker who completed her degree after her children graduated from school, and she cooked and knitted.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I may get hate for this, but I believe artificial wombs will be very important in saving the European and East Asian races in the future. They're also a great and efficient way to have several children at once without any of the risks of preganancy and will allow women to continue in their careers without pregnancy getting in the way. Artificial wombs could allow a couple for example to have as many kids as they want/can afford within one year. There's a lot of women out there, possible millions, who don't want to get pregnant due to all the symptoms associated with it, but perhaps they still want children.

Saying all this a man who will never get pregnant, but logically, I see the merits of artificial wombs.

 

[Epiphany]

Excellent post, sister. This is what the community needs. I believe that it is women who know women's issues best and we need intelligent and high consciousness women to set the others on the right path. The same is also true for men.

 

[Epiphany]

Excellent post, sister. This is what the community needs. I believe that it is women who know women's issues best and we need intelligent and high consciousness women to set the others on the right path. The same is also true for men.

But there must also be harmony and cooperation between the two. The enemy has poisoned the well on all fronts, but with the Gods we can find the truth and return to our better natures and find a way to live together in a harmonious and complimentary way again.

 

[HPS Lydia]

I may get hate for this, but I believe artificial wombs will be very important in saving the European and East Asian races in the future. They're also a great and efficient way to have several children at once without any of the risks of preganancy and will allow women to continue in their careers without pregnancy getting in the way. Artificial wombs could allow a couple for example to have as many kids as they want/can afford within one year. There's a lot of women out there, possible millions, who don't want to get pregnant due to all the symptoms associated with it, but perhaps they still want children.

Saying all this a man who will never get pregnant, but logically, I see the merits of artificial wombs.

There should be nothing wrong with a woman taking time off from her career for pregnancy and taking care of an infant. It's healthy to take time off from job, and focus on preparing to be a mother. Most pregnant women love growing a baby inside them and focusing fully on "nesting".

Artificial wombs would be very wrong. The baby needs to grow in the mother. This is proper prana and qi circulation, not artificially. An artificial womb cannot direct love to a fetus to bathe in (this might sound weird but there's spirituality behind it). Our populations will rise when the government allows women (and couples) to be able to afford to have babies. Most women want 3-4 children, some want even more, they can easily increase our population if they can afford it.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Most women want 3-4 children, some want even more, they can easily increase our population if they can afford it.

I would like to believe that, but many young women I know say they don't want to have any children. It also seems very common online that a lot don't want to have children either, mainly because they see the world getting worse and don't want to bring children into it, which is a point of view I understand but also a very dangerous idea for humanity. Just go on any video about the world's brith rate declining and you'll see swarms of female commenters saying they don't want to have children, mainly due to not wanting to "raise slaves for the billionaire class".

Governments have tried apparently a lot of solutions to fix the birth rate through financial incentives yet nothing seems to work because you can't pay a woman who doesn't want to have kids to have them.

Meanwhile women with far lower quality of life in parts of Africa and other places have 3-5 children or even more despite dealing with several hardships which women in first world countries aren't even facing a tenth of. Non-whites from those areas are even able to have several kids in the same countries the first world women live in despite living in quite a lowly state, even with welfare support. Their birth rate declines as the subsequent generations of women get "westernised" aka sterilised through lifestyle shift, which is also happening in the countries they're coming from.

The main problem is that a lot of women have been conditioned to not want to have kids, for several bullshit reasons, usually tied into marxist or utilitarian thinking as having children to maintain the bloodline or tribe have been stamped out, especially in the West, it's purely financial reasons that matter now, and those reasons aren't even that valid.

 

[CatDoll]

Kusura bakmayın İngilizcem o kadar yeterli olmadığı için Türkçe cevap veriyorum.

Kendine ait bir odayı okuduğumda çok hoşuma gitmişti tam hatırlayamıyorum ama Virginia Woolf kendine ait bir odası ve biraz parası olduğu için erkeklerden bir şey beklemediğini cünkü ona verecek bir şeyleri olmadığını ve yine kendine ait odası ve parası olduğu için onlardan nefret etmediğini çünkü ona zarar veremeyeceklerini söylüyordu. Bu benim çok hoşuma gitmişti Ayrıca sanırım o da süfrajet hareketinin bir parçasıydı. 1. Dalga feminizmi Süfrajetler başlattılar, Amerika ve İngilteredeki kadınlara oy hakkı sağladılar. İlginç bir şekilde radikal feministler olarak geçiyorlar ama şu anki radikal feministler ''Erkekleri Doğrama Cemiyeti Manifestosu'' benzeri kitaplarla ilgileniyor. Sanırım o zaman için onlara radikal denmesinin sebebi protestoların şiddeti.

Emeline Panhurst'ün başlattığı bir hareket. Kendisi WSPU'nun da kurucusu ve kocası da ona cidden çok destek oldu, diğer tüm kadınlarla breaber zor şeyler yaşadılar.

Onları cadı gibi çizdiler, dillerini kesmeleri, çenelerini bağlamaları gerektiğini söylediler...Birinci dalga feminizm kadınlara haklar kazandırmaya odaklıydı. Bunun dışında bir sürü feminist ekol var. Bir çoğu erkeklerden nefret etmiyor. Birçoğu bir kadının evlenmesine karşı değil (Radikal feminizm hariç). Sanırım buna da seçim feminizmi deniyordu. Kadının seçimi esastı ama tam hatırlayamıyorum. Radikal feminizm ise bazen uygulamada gerekli olabiliyor.

Meşalelerinizi elinize almadan önce örnek vereyim: Güney Kore. Şuan Güney Koredeki erkekler fazlasıyla kadınları baskılıyor, standartlarıyla yıldırıyorlar. Kısa saçlı olmanın bile hedef haline geldiği bir ortam oluşmuş. Bu insanlara internet üzerinden sözlü ve fiziksel tacizde bulunuyor,tehtidler savuruyorlar. Bunun için de 4B hareketi başladı. 4 hayır anlamına geliyor. Araştırabilirsiniz. Erkekler muhafazakarlaştıkça kadınlar liberalleşiyor bunun istatistikleri vardı, ters tepiyor çünkü. Kadınlar onlara saygı duymayan erkeleri protesto ediyor ve onlarla etkileşime girmiyorlar bu olmalı ve gerekli. Anneler mutluysa herkes mutludur çünkü onlar toplumun bir yarısı. Tam tersi de geçerli babalar mutluysa da herkes mutludur onlar da toplumun öbür yarısı.

Feminizm kadınlar için önemli bir konumdayken herkes feminizmi kötülüyor. Neden bilmiyorum ama kadın sığınma evlerinin kapatılmasını isteyen insanlar bile var internette. Kimsenin bir arası yok. Kadınlara ya inanılmaz domestik roller biçiyorlar ya da tam tersi. Kimse bireysel olarak herkesin farklı şeyler isteyebileceğini ve herkesin farklı potansiyelleri olduğunu kabul etmiyor. Bu durumdan hoşnut omayan kadınlar selerini çıkarınca ya da birbirleri adına konuşunca FEMİNİST!!! diye tepki veriyorlar. Çifte standartlardan bahsedince şikayet ediyor, farklılıklardan bahsedince de sür*ük oluyorsunuz.

Çocuk istemiyorsanız kesin ömrünü 100 tane kediyle geçirecek bir insansınız ve akıl hastasısınız. 100 tane kedi istemek neden akıl hastalığı? Kime göre? Bunları kim belirledi? Annelik, çocuk ve doğurmak konusunda eğer doğum doktoru değilseniz ve erkekseniz fikir belirtmemeniz gerektiğini düşünüyorum. Buna da mensplaining deniyor karamın adı bu. Bu benim ereksiyon problemleri konusunda konuşmamla aynı şey, aynısı kadınlar için de geçerli.

Mesela Annem çalışıyor ve kardeşime ben bakıyorum. Elimden geldiğince duygusal ve fiziksel olarak onu ben beslemeye çalışıyorum. Ve eğer seçeneğim olsaydı yapmazdım. O sebeple çocuk istemiyorum. Çünkü bu sorumluluk bana ağır geliyor. Ama klavyanin arkasındaki bir adam size neden anne olmanız gerektiği hakkında konuşabiliyor. Yetmiyor, size saldırıyor e gerizekalı feminist idealleri takip etmeniz gerektiğini söylüyor. Bu sosyal hakların eksikliğinden kaynaklanıyor ama çözüm ne emin değilim.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

I would like to believe that, but many young women I know say they don't want to have any children. It also seems very common online that a lot don't want to have children either, mainly because they see the world getting worse and don't want to bring children into it, which is a point of view I understand but also a very dangerous idea for humanity. Just go on any video about the world's brith rate declining and you'll see swarms of female commenters saying they don't want to have children, mainly due to not wanting to "raise slaves for the billionaire class".

Governments have tried apparently a lot of solutions to fix the birth rate through financial incentives yet nothing seems to work because you can't pay a woman who doesn't want to have kids to have them.

Meanwhile women with far lower quality of life in parts of Africa and other places have 3-5 children or even more despite dealing with several hardships which women in first world countries aren't even facing a tenth of. Non-whites from those areas are even able to have several kids in the same countries the first world women live in despite living in quite a lowly state, even with welfare support. Their birth rate declines as the subsequent generations of women get "westernised" aka sterilised through lifestyle shift, which is also happening in the countries they're coming from.

The main problem is that a lot of women have been conditioned to not want to have kids, for several bullshit reasons, usually tied into marxist or utilitarian thinking as having children to maintain the bloodline or tribe have been stamped out, especially in the West, it's purely financial reasons that matter now, and those reasons aren't even that valid.

Also another reason low IQ women, regardless of race btw, have more children on average isn't really due to poverty but simply due to being bound to instinctual drives and it's likely not possible for them to be conditioned in the same way a 100 IQ woman can be.

It takes midwit-level IQ to "rationalise" self-sterilisation and wanting to end your bloodline, hence the abysmaly low birth rates in White and Asian countries since midwits are the majority unlike in Africa and other parts of Asia.

 

[CatDoll]

...

Giving birth and fertility is that important? Not for being sarcastic i dont know about this.

 

[Epiphany]

Giving birth and fertility is that important? Not for being sarcastic i dont know about this.

Your soul is tied to your race and you and your ancestors need to be able to reincarnate and continue learning the lessons their soul needs to advance, and to continue the bloodline. That cannot happen if babies are not being born. Culture is also linked to race and ethnicity, if a people disappears so does their unique expression(ie culture) & nature.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Giving birth and fertility is that important? Not for being sarcastic i dont know about this.

Yes it’s very important, especially for Zevists.
Entire civilisations are slowly but silently collapsing because their leaders and peoples alike don’t value fertility and having children enough.

The most religious jews have 5-10 kids, because their ethno-religion spiritualises the continuation of their bloodline.

This was the norm in the whole Pagan world which was ethnoreligious. Religions like Christianity and Bhuddism seperated the bloodline from the spiritual, which didn’t have much of an effect but it laid the groundwork for further erosion of collective identity through individualism and liberalism.

Islam also seperated the spiritual from the bloodline but to a lesser extent since it doesn’t vilify sex as much as christianity and bhuddism hence why islamic countries are more resistant to the anti-natalist programming but are slowly giving in to it as well.

Zevism has revived Gentile ethno-religion. Only Pagan ethno-religion will save Gentiles, not any of these sterile false religions.

 

[Aquarius]

Giving birth and fertility is that important? Not for being sarcastic i dont know about this.

Fertility is important because it has to do with your health.

Giving birth is important if you want to give life to a child.

 

[Lightning_Puma]

The bad side of feminism will end on its own when both genders heal from trauma, stop being triggered so easily, and stop aiming all their hate and frustration onto the other entire gender. A lot of misogynists deliberately provoke women, which instigates feminism further.

Interestingly, feminists are advocating against the media using the phrase "toxic masculinity" because feminists believe masculinity in itself is not toxic. It's the media who says feminists are against masculinity.

People need to understand our Gods, and how They designed us to be. A lot of men simply don't understand that woman aren't supposed to be uneducated and silent all the time, they look to xian beliefs and think that's it. Our Gods highly value education and clear communication, and bonding and unity between the genders.


The only feminist I knew in real life was a happily married homemaker who completed her degree after her children graduated from school, and she cooked and knitted.

There should be nothing wrong with a woman taking time off from her career for pregnancy and taking care of an infant. It's healthy to take time off from job, and focus on preparing to be a mother. Most pregnant women love growing a baby inside them and focusing fully on "nesting".

Artificial wombs would be very wrong. The baby needs to grow in the mother. This is proper prana and qi circulation, not artificially. An artificial womb cannot direct love to a fetus to bathe in (this might sound weird but there's spirituality behind it). Our populations will rise when the government allows women (and couples) to be able to afford to have babies. Most women want 3-4 children, some want even more, they can easily increase our population if they can afford it.

HPS, would it be ever possible for you to write more sermons about both topics, please? I'd really like to learn and read more about it!

 

[nema]

When did Feminism go bad? Thought I would make this post as I’m actually educated on the subject.

Shulamith Firestone. Full name is Shulamith Bath Shumal Ben Ari Firestone (born Feuerstein), daughter of Solomon Feuerstein and a ''Holocaust Survivor'' Kate Weiss. Firestone synthesized Marx and Freud with Feminism in The Dialectic of Sex: The Case for Feminist Revolution (1970). She is the most prominent among the founders of 2nd Wave Feminism.

Needless to say, her philosophy is an abomination of nature, nothing short of Frankenstein. The central argument is that the origin of women’s oppression is not economic or anything else, but biological. Women's role in biological reproduction, pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, and child-rearing. According to Shulamith Firestone, these biological facts have made them dependent on men. Firestone was the first to articulate this argument in a clear, systematic framework.

Firestone’s true liberation for women is a Grey-inspired world in which babies are grown in artificial wombs. Her utopia is the elimination of sex distinction.


I’d pick her as the answer to the question in the title. Imagine rooms full of growing fetuses in pods.

Let's go back a little. Was Feminism always bad? Not really. Long before Marxist Feminism was a thing, and around the time the Enlightenment was happening, it was clear that the Judaic fable of creation is the root of the oppression of women. Women were posterior et inferior. Last and lesser.

Posterior because man (Adam) was created first. Woman (Eve) was created from man and after man. If man was first, and woman was created from him, then she must be secondary and dependent, spiritually and intellectually.

Inferior because Eve was deceived by the serpent and led Adam into disobedience. Women are inferior in intelligence, proven by Eve being deceived by the serpent. Thus, women were considered inferior in intellect, virtue, and will, not just socially, but ontologically (in their very being). Women are the reason men sin. Women are ''bad'', they tempt men. The theme exists and is echoed in various tales, with witches being bad and ugly. Bad and vile stepmom. Women are the origin of the fall of humanity and the face of sin in Christianity and in Islam, rooted in Jewish origins of these programs.

According to the Church and to Islam, women's submission is a divine order from the Jewish God. It was a justification to limit education and agency, to enforce silence on them, and exclude them from the priesthood, the academy, medicinal professions, and pretty much any high-status position. Women being mentally or morally inferior is a Jewish teaching originated from the Adam and Eve tale. Be rid of it if you fell for the programming.

1 Corinthians 11: “Man is the head of woman.”
Ephesians 5: “Wives, submit to your husbands.”

Islam has identical verses. In both so-called religions, women are seen as inferior in intelligence and morals; they should have no rights over their own bodies and lives.

Back to the subject, around the time of the Enlightenment English proto-feminists Jane Anger and Rachel Speght (name may sound Jewish, but she was from Puritan English parents) had a problem with ''posterior et inferior''.

Jane Anger (1589) used satire and criticized the Church, mocked men's and the Church's obsession with women’s bodies and beauty. If woman was created later, she would be the superior and masterwork of the God.

Rachel Speght (1617) produced theological arguments and used Christian scriptures. If Adam was oh so mightier and more intelligent, morally and intellectually superior, he should have just... not be deceived? Right?

Both women stayed inside the Judaic story, it would not be possible to do otherwise at the time, but they were criticizing the pastors and the Church. They lived before Feminism existed as a structured ideology. They are considered proto-feminists; thanks to them, feminism exists.

Virginia Woolf was a late 1st-wave feminist. Her work is fine. A Room of One’s Own was a good read as much as I remember. It is recommended. Sylvia Plath, quote:

She explains it very well. Every time I see clovers, I stop to look for a four-leaf one. One day, I was doing exactly that. Dilly-dallying in a park looking for a four-leaf clover. A few hours later, I saw a young girl's post on social media, how she was catcalled and harassed, stalked by a car because she was alone in a park (like I was the versy same day) and men in the car thought she was a prostitute. They followed her to her home, found out whose home it is, then called her father to ''warn'' him. What other reason can a woman have by being alone in a park other than selling sex, right? Anything women do is to tempt men. Women need to be controlled because they lack intelligence and morals. This is Christian/Muslim mindset.

Mother Lilith is the liberator of women. She is the patron of strong women and a Goddess of women's rights. Lilith represents sexual liberation and sex for pleasure. She is the exaltation of the feminine divine. Lilith also stands for abortion rights and birth control. This is stated in the Temple of Zeus. Countless women do not have access to these rights. Even when abortion is legal and has been legal for 50 years like in Türkiye, muslims will try to stop and shame women.

So no, Feminism pointed out issues, rightfully so. It was a decent thing from multiple accounts. Then Shulamith Firestone happened. Marxist feminism happened.

What about now? Is Feminism bad right now? It is complicated. 3rd wave feminism has a branch that views traditional feminine things as important as traditional masculine things, such as cooking and stitching, or motherhood, and has the idea that women do not have to be manly to be strong. Like the "Lipstick feminism" sub-branch celebrates feminine expression without seeing it as weakness.

The 1st wave was mostly a struggle to be recognized as humans and not just genitals. For the right to inherit, to have say in their life, to have legal rights, to vote, to receive education. 2nd wave created Marxist, socialist, radical, liberal strands. Made it something broader. The 2nd wave was organized and sought to fight, while the 3rd wave is individual with temporary alliances, decentralized. TERF (trans exclusive feminists) are not as crazy as Marxist feminists. However, Marxist and Freudian aspects are not completely erased from the 3rd wave and whatever wave is going on at the moment. There is intersectional feminism, post-structuralist/post-modern feminism, post-colonial feminism, feminism of the new generation, and so on.

Anyway, I don't know how to conclude this. Early Feminism makes sense, Marxist Feminism is inhumane, and the rest is complicated.

Endless respect to our Founding Mother, High Priestess, Lady Maxine. She is and will be an idol to women for generations to come.

As far as i understand it was never about helping women, it always been about destroying men. That's how the jews work.. like when they go pro-trans, it's anti- straight. Or pro-blacks = anti- white.

 

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Inferior because Eve was deceived by the serpent and led Adam into disobedience. Women are inferior in intelligence, proven by Eve being deceived by the serpent. Thus, women were considered inferior in intellect, virtue, and will, not just socially, but ontologically (in their very being). Women are the reason men sin. Women are ''bad'', they tempt men. The theme exists and is echoed in various tales, with witches being bad and ugly. Bad and vile stepmom. Women are the origin of the fall of humanity and the face of sin in Christianity and in Islam, rooted in Jewish origins of these programs.

According to the Church and to Islam, women's submission is a divine order from the Jewish God. It was a justification to limit education and agency, to enforce silence on them, and exclude them from the priesthood, the academy, medicinal professions, and pretty much any high-status position. Women being mentally or morally inferior is a Jewish teaching originated from the Adam and Eve tale. Be rid of it if you fell for the programming.

1 Corinthians 11: “Man is the head of woman.”
Ephesians 5: “Wives, submit to your husbands.”

Islam has identical verses. In both so-called religions, women are seen as inferior in intelligence and morals; they should have no rights over their own bodies and lives.

When looking at those teachings and events that transpired in the Middle Ages, it is not surprising to see why ignorance and backwardness flourished in the society. The enemy likes to keep the people illiterate and ignorant, since such types make the best followers and slaves. The main assault is done on knowledge, since that is the original "sin" in Christianity and Islam. Jewsus said that people should be like sheep - too stupid, trustful and dependent on others to lead them in the name of faith, instead of relying on knowledge, valuing their independence, individualism, ego (personality) and thinking for themselves.

Furthermore, in order to build a society that would flourish as spiritually and intellectually strong nation, knowledge is the cardinal requirement, and it is something that the Gods want us to pursue. Both men and women must play an equal role in the shaping of the society and the future by engaging in scientific endeavors, building social bonds and working towards the greater good for the future generations, which is why the female gender has been undermined by the Abrahamic poisons. That's why ancient cultures had myriads of male and female goddesses, and women also engaged in the priesthood, academies and political life.

Since you are from Turkey, I believe you are familiar how strong and developed Turkey became when Ataturk reigned as the leader of your nation. He elevated the women and womanhood by allowing women the right to education and the ability to pursue their own professional goals, while at the same time, families continued having children and even giving their children privilege to acquire vast amounts of knowledge from both parents. That was made possible by the elimination of Islam from the daily life as much as possible. Put that in contrast to modern-day Islamic nations like Pakistan or Afghanistan, and you will see how the oppression of women and prohibition of education and their rights is keeping those society locked in time and unable to advance. When more than half of your nation is made of people who lack knowledge and are illiterate for the most part, you cannot hope for your nation to develop into something greater and where life would be worth living.

Europe mirrored these countries in the Middle Ages when the Christian plague swept our continent, causing women to go from having their very own divine representations in cultures such as Athena, Isis and Hera to becoming stigmatized, belittled and "cursed" in the name of singular Abrahamic entity that is foreign to the European spirit (as well the spirit of any Gentile nation), whose followers and supposed prophets consist of misogynistic incels. As such, the rise of feminism is understandable and expected (the same goes for LGBT rights due to oppression), but it has been hijacked by the Marxist movement, which is an Atheist branch of Abrahamic poison that is manipulating the people it claims to protect.

For the world and humanity to heal and progress, the harmony between Yin (female) and Yang (male) must be restored, nurtured and preserved, otherwise the equilibrium, which is dependent on these polar - yet equally important opposites - won't be established and that just creates chaos in the society.

 

[HPS Lydia]

It also seems very common online that a lot don't want to have children either, mainly because they see the world getting worse and don't want to bring children into it, which is a point of view I understand but also a very dangerous idea for humanity.

Nearly all women who have children, wanted more but couldn't afford it. Ask a mother if she wants to hold a little baby again and go through it all again, most will say yes.

People say things on the internet often out of bravado or trying a different persona, or trying to fit in with others or conversely trying to go against others, but when they have time to reflect and be honest with themselves, they are quite different. The internet is full of lies, half-truths, and distorted truths.