What should a Satanist's views on forgiveness be?

[RamronDoree]

I'm looking for a bit of clarity...

I've recently been compelled to write about everything I've done in life, from my accomplishments to my shortcomings. In the process, I'm reviewing what I've done, what others have done to me, looking at the people that have come and gone along the way, and I started thinking about the nature of forgiveness.

Now, as far as I understand it, guilt and forgiveness are tools that the enemy uses to keep people oppressed and depressed as explained in Nietzschean schools of thought. Buddhists also have somewhat of an unhealthy relationship with forgiveness, lauding it over everyone as if they are superior to everyone else and as if they are incapable of wrongdoing.

Given this logic, if searching for forgiveness is something that robs me of power and agency, then, as a devotee of Satan, I should be wise to the fact and head for the hills.

I am curious, however, to know what the Satanic attitude to forgiveness is - giving or getting. Are there ever occasions where forgiveness is worth being sought after? Is there something so heinous that it can never be forgiven?

I also don't think forgiveness and trust are synonymous. I may eventually be able to forgive someone for doing something, but I may not trust them with that particular thing again. But, then, does forgiveness mean I should be open to the idea that they can earn my trust back?

 

[darkmonkey666]

It really is up to the indivual person somewhat at least what they want in their life and if they want to keep associating with someone etc. Forgiveness would more come in if a person is an honest good person but makes a mistake that harms someone. The person they harm knows they didn't intend it. That in my mind is ok and actually really good especially if the person tries to make it up to the other person.

However most the cases where forgiveness is used is just encouraging people to be a good victim.

The stuff with the xtians where someone comes in rapes you and murders your children and then you say "I forgive you" and visit the person in prison and try to show love to them (if you watch any crime documentaries you will know this kind of stuff happens a lot with xtians) that is pure sickness in my mind.

There is a point at which Justice needs to be done and forgiveness is not a good thing. If society ran on forgive everyone love everyone it would fall apart and crime would get out of control (That is kind of what is happening some places)

I think personally instead of people feeling sorry for stuff they should try to right it and correct it and if the person that feels they were wronged values the relationship they will forgive the person.

That it it kind of is a natural thing but twisted by the enemy.

Of course there is a lot of stuff that should not be forgiven or at least not without some kind of punishment.

 

[ChaosBringer666]

I'm looking for a bit of clarity...

I've recently been compelled to write about everything I've done in life, from my accomplishments to my shortcomings. In the process, I'm reviewing what I've done, what others have done to me, looking at the people that have come and gone along the way, and I started thinking about the nature of forgiveness.

Now, as far as I understand it, guilt and forgiveness are tools that the enemy uses to keep people oppressed and depressed as explained in Nietzschean schools of thought. Buddhists also have somewhat of an unhealthy relationship with forgiveness, lauding it over everyone as if they are superior to everyone else and as if they are incapable of wrongdoing.

Given this logic, if searching for forgiveness is something that robs me of power and agency, then, as a devotee of Satan, I should be wise to the fact and head for the hills.

I am curious, however, to know what the Satanic attitude to forgiveness is - giving or getting. Are there ever occasions where forgiveness is worth being sought after? Is there something so heinous that it can never be forgiven?

I also don't think forgiveness and trust are synonymous. I may eventually be able to forgive someone for doing something, but I may not trust them with that particular thing again. But, then, does forgiveness mean I should be open to the idea that they can earn my trust back?

i'm going to try and be brief.

you have a good idea of what trust and forgiveness are, but its not a one size fits all type deal.

Obviously this world can leave others very messed so people don't always have the best intentions, the most important thing is if you can decipher if said person is jewish, because when your a Satanist you get a kind of veil around you that 95% can pick up on and identify as their enemy. So they will try and screw with you nearly every chance they get. So if you can't yet identify them, be suspicious. a Jew is a jew is a jew.

so as an example of trust and forgiveness i'd like to use our Gods.

they do not all feel the same on the subject, a more specific would be Enlil. If you don't keep your word [depending on seriousness] his opinion of you will drop regardless, and it is very hard to earn that trust back its not impossible but difficult, of course there are others that are i bit more forgiving but at the end of the day word is bond to them and should be taken seriously.

regarding humans it is the same for others as it is for yourself. Did they learn from it, what steps are they taking so it doesn't happen again. do they regret it, ect. in the end the choice depends solely on the offended obviously there are somethings one should not forgive and give trust to person x.

If it's self forgiveness one should evaluate, do the above, begin a detaching ritual if needed, and truly let go and move on with their life.

hope this helped.
have a good day.

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

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Being realistic. That is the Satanic attitude towards forgiveness and pretty much everything else in regards to similar topics.

How you assess and judge the circumstances, the flaws, the causes, whether it's likely to happen again and again or if it was an honest mistake that has or is progressively changing in correction, all of that is up to you. Being realistic is what can save you from being emotionally driven to forgiving a blatant leech who claims 'friendship' and yet continues to fuck you over with some sob story every time over and over.

When you're forgiving someone for the same kinds of mistakes again and again far too frequently, you're clearly not being realistic, as an example. Forgiveness is not evil in and of itself, it's perfectly normal for when someone feels legitimately remorseful and bad for their actions that they'd desire to be forgiven, but this is where the importance of sincerity lies. 'Forgiveness' is just something the enemy has used and abused for years so they and the 'goyim' can keep fucking up and doing stupid shit like murder innocents, lie, cheat and bullshit their way through life because "Oh it's okay so long I ask for forgiveness~".

Sometimes words and saying your sorry for the same things too often will cause such statements to be empty and meaningless by which it loses sincerity and no longer means the individual is saying it to actually apologize, rather they're just saying it at that point so they can feel free to keep doing the mistakes because to them "It's okay so long as I just keep apologizing!".

From there it's real action that matters most, changing for the better and actually progressing with real positive results in correction, not being a broken record.

It's just being realistic, that's all.

 

[RamronDoree]

Essentially, at the risk of a reduction ad absurdum, what I'm gathering is that this is something akin to risk management? Trust and forgive so long as it doesn't pose a threat to you?

 

[Damon1]

Essentially, at the risk of a reduction ad absurdum, what I'm gathering is that this is something akin to risk management? Trust and forgive so long as it doesn't pose a threat to you?

It's judging everything carefully and making the appropriate decision. If there's more benefit in forgiving then do so. It would be bad to ruin a friendship just because someone did something once that he deeply regretted later. But there are other cases where forgiving a person is bad or dangerous. There are people who don't learn from their mistakes or who are psychic vampires and in that case it's better to remove them from your life completely.

 

[Sundara]

I'm looking for a bit of clarity...

I've recently been compelled to write about everything I've done in life, from my accomplishments to my shortcomings. In the process, I'm reviewing what I've done, what others have done to me, looking at the people that have come and gone along the way, and I started thinking about the nature of forgiveness.

Now, as far as I understand it, guilt and forgiveness are tools that the enemy uses to keep people oppressed and depressed as explained in Nietzschean schools of thought. Buddhists also have somewhat of an unhealthy relationship with forgiveness, lauding it over everyone as if they are superior to everyone else and as if they are incapable of wrongdoing.

Given this logic, if searching for forgiveness is something that robs me of power and agency, then, as a devotee of Satan, I should be wise to the fact and head for the hills.

I am curious, however, to know what the Satanic attitude to forgiveness is - giving or getting. Are there ever occasions where forgiveness is worth being sought after? Is there something so heinous that it can never be forgiven?

I also don't think forgiveness and trust are synonymous. I may eventually be able to forgive someone for doing something, but I may not trust them with that particular thing again. But, then, does forgiveness mean I should be open to the idea that they can earn my trust back?

You’ve got to just think for yourself here. Forgiveness towards people that are important or close to you in non-abusive relationships for example is way different than forgiving thousands of years of oppression and torture. There’s different types of forgiveness in my opinion as well. If someone has hurt a person to a large degree, like bad abuse, that’s not a situation that can ever be truly forgiven. But with traumatic situations, after there’s no more emotions to be vented and a person is just holding on to those emotions and dwelling on them this can start to act negatively on a victim. Sometimes a situation has to be let go of in heart and mind to obtain peace. It’s not really forgiveness in the traditional sense but some people call it that. I did this once. I still hate the person and during meditation emotions still resurface, but for a long time this hatred I felt was like a weight that held me back from being happy. I wound up coming to a state of “forgiveness” in some way. Not forgiving this persons actions or justifying them, but after a long time, just understanding that what happened is just something that happened and it needed to stay in the past. The feelings I felt towards the person were so intense that not even his death would’ve resolved anything that happened or would’ve fixed the way I felt. At that point, what the do you do? He wasn’t worth even hating every day of my life. A person can become not worth your thoughts, energy, or emotions. I can use any hatred that crops up against the yehuborim because that is a permanent solution to the worlds problems. I think everything should be in balance. Taking anything to an extreme can be negative. In personal relationships that are close, one another is bound to piss person off eventually. Room mates can be annoying, partners, whatever. It gets worse as a person advances for a while too, because you can see how stupid people are. Early days as a Satanist are generally full of a lot of suppressed hatred being released and negative realizations about the world. This is a good thing, it sets you off on the right foot in really finding yourself and drawing boundaries in the right areas.

 

[Bravera]

A being may do anything they desire as long as they are capable.
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[NinRick]

A being may do anything they desire as long as they are capable.
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Horribly wrong.

Are you implying we should do whatever we want to?

So it is okay to get some pups and and kittens just to torture them?

No.

Always keep morals in mind. With every thing you do.

Just because we are able to curse most of people out there, should we torture them just because we want to?

No.

This is not even cool either.

This is just plain stupidity and cancer.

 

[Bravera]

A being may do anything they desire as long as they are capable.
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Horribly wrong.

Are you implying we should do whatever we want to?

So it is okay to get some pups and and kittens just to torture them?

No.

Always keep morals in mind. With every thing you do.

Just because we are able to curse most of people out there, should we torture them just because we want to?

No.

This is not even cool either.

This is just plain stupidity and cancer.

I want you to honestly consider if what I said is actually Stupid or Wrong?
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You have the choice, and you could do something, but there will be consequences. There are even consequences when you do not take action.

What is your opinion on the militaries use of torture to obtain valuable information that could save lives?
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I do have morals NinRick, no I would never torture an animal. I just want you to think logically.

 

[RamronDoree]

Everything posted here has been most enlightening. Thank you for clarifying, good people!

 

[NinRick]

A being may do anything they desire as long as they are capable.
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Horribly wrong.

Are you implying we should do whatever we want to?

So it is okay to get some pups and and kittens just to torture them?

No.

Always keep morals in mind. With every thing you do.

Just because we are able to curse most of people out there, should we torture them just because we want to?

No.

This is not even cool either.

This is just plain stupidity and cancer.

It’s not cool to do anything you want, if this things are parasitic and cancer.

I just wanted to tell you, and everyone else that you always have to keep morals in mind.

I did not want to offend you.

But it sounded like you think that most on here are so cool, because we can do anything we want. And this triggered me a bit, sorry for that.