what just happened to me?

[Big Dipper]

hi, so i was trying to go into a trance today for the first time since january and around 30 mins in something really weird happened. I eventually stopped using the elevator trick since that and the ladder trick dont really help, but instead i lay flat and imagine on a deep exhale that my bed cranks back, like the sweeney todd chairs and i fall backwards head first and it was slightly working for a bit, then i decided to quit, but i thought since im in a good fuzzy state, ill just stay here for a bit and imagined 2 dim circles spinning around each other and shot them towards my face and that was the last thing i remembered thinking about before i just layed there thoughtless for i dont know how long and out of no where the darkness from my eyes being shut shifted clock-wise and i got dizzy instantly and it scared the shit out of me. i started to breath hard, my 3rd eye was getting heavy, my whole body got heavy and cold, i was scared and in a state of bliss, and the tv from upstairs was sounding further and further away. My eyes were trying to open and i was trying to keep them shut, so my eyes were twitching like crazy and i felt that happen for a few seconds, then it went away. Hours later i still feel really weird and i cant tell if im fatigued from scaring myself out of the trance, or my body is screaming at me to do it again, or if im just coming out of the high of it. Also, when i was in that weird high i tried to astral project by moving the conscience out of my right arm and it got cold; i then put it back in my arm and it was fine again, so that was cool. It felt like the excitement of being on a rollarcoaster for the first time as a kid while being high up and shooting downwards. Was that a DEEP trance?

 

[Shael]

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I think you just got into a slight trance state and then started freaking out because of it. Try to chill a bit more and it should be less scary next time. There's nothing to worry about.

 

[Big Dipper]

I think you just got into a slight trance state and then started freaking out because of it. Try to chill a bit more and it should be less scary next time. There's nothing to worry about.

Wow that was a LIGHT trance? that felt really deep. totally freaked me out lol

 

[Ghost in the Machine]

I think you just got into a slight trance state and then started freaking out because of it. Try to chill a bit more and it should be less scary next time. There's nothing to worry about.

Wow that was a LIGHT trance? that felt really deep. totally freaked me out lol

Lowering brainwave activities slows energy activity that disassociates you from a state of consciousness on the physical plane. You slowly enter more of a dream-like state in the mind where your slightest subconscious intents and expectations can completely (literally?) turn your perception of the world upside down.

It's because you're both in a logical and grounded mindset whilst simultaneously being disassociated from the physical plane and more so onto the astral of the mind, it's essentially like on the verge of entering a lucid dream and the sensations you feel will feel very real as such just as if you were in one. If you accidentally intend your body to tilt as if you're visualizing yourself going upside down, you will feel this as if it was happening for real and it can be disorientating.

This is all manifested from your own intentions and it helps to practice and attain discipline and to control your will and intent this way otherwise you end up drifting into disorientation and confusion with a passive mind that just allows these weird sensations to happen on their own without any direction. What you entered was a very deep trance bordering closely to a dream-state; A very deep trance like this lowers the brainwave activity to Theta which is a deep-sleep state and is when dreaming is enabled, you may not have been full Theta levels but you were lose to it.

Similar kinds of methods are used by some people to enter a lucid dream by will when they go to bed.

 

[Gearshift]

..GitM's message...

Your dead on with your assessment that is exactly how lucid dreamers and astral projectors do to "enter the dream" or like you put it lucid on will. Or "create the astral projection"

But mind answering my own question is trance state associated with non-voided mentality? In other words if I don't void or know how to void(not that I don't know the procedure just never produced it). Does a trance require pure mental chatter silence?

Void meditation for me is very difficult. I mean the very act of observing myself being voided brings more thoughts. It's like my brain doesn't understand the difference between just observing and conscious realization.

Trance is another one that takes the cake for difficulty. I've probably lost a lot of years of my life not meditating correctly by lacking trance. But is trance supposed to be this difficult. The very act of performing the movement exercises is so fatiguing mentally. I can feel distorted for example at times I've had falling sensation and induced it but still fully conscious oddly enough. But the feelings feel fake almost made up like I don't believe that is a trance induction reflex. I feel like I need someone to teach me trance and put me under to experience it.

I apologize ahead of time if I've been badgering people with void and trance since I joined JoS in 2003 and the forums in 2017. But I've never been able to do the most basic occult technique for mastery of meditation.

 

[Shael]

Wow that was a LIGHT trance? that felt really deep. totally freaked me out lol

Well, you hardly can enter a truly deep trance while getting easily frightened like you described. You'll be able to go deeper once you learn to stay calm and relaxed.

 

[Gearshift]

...wowzers...

Uhm I don't know where to start. I recently changed my meditation: RtPt1, Clean, AoP, Spin chakras to speed of light, and breathing exercises. Before that I even did for a few days 13 vibrations of necronomicon main chakra work much to the boringness and lack of desire to do it.

To be honest what you said is exactly what I'm missing. I'm constantly depressed(not in a bad way), sleep a lot, and aren't disciplined. At my age I feel like it's an impossibility to go further.

To be honest I'm kinda scared of spiritually advancing despite it being natural I do have my fears and feel like "How can I spiritually advance if I'm mentally ill and take medication(note I do not plan on not taking it I'll continue to take it for my sake of avoiding another fugue state).

So your saying I should avoid most meditation focus on a small 10 minute or so schedule and that is it. To be honest I've lived in my head so much I don't know how to get out. I'm literally lost in my mind since ever since going to school I never payed attention was always daydreaming.

I'm certainly not tuned to the physical world in any way.

The thing with yoga is I get bored of doing it I can do it for a few days but it's so boring. Really for me as much as I love meditation I find it totally boring and a waste of time.

I mean I dedicated in 2003 look how many years have passed. I feel like the same person I was since I was 7 years old only added more information.

If you ever feel far too stabilized and solidly locked into the physical (could take a month or so to get to this point), then you can very slowly start incorporating a bit more psychic means to try and get that balance. You already understand the severe excess of one side of your soul, you won't truly know where the balanced level is at until you know a bit of the excess of the other side, kind of liking testing where the centre is located. Ultimately you should be able to tune in and out of psychic focus and or grounding at will with relative ease but always your primary focus and tuning should first be of the material and logical plane, psychic abilities come as a secondary addon/'tool' to then incorporate when needed, this also solidifies truth with psychic and astral ability as logic and the physical plane will be your first primary 'filter' as it is all about what is real and actually going on as opposed to just imagination and pretend.

I see so your saying I should unbalance myself go full physical and then return to creating the balance. But how do I do that specifically meditation wise. Or are you asking me to avoid meditation all together and focus on just a 5-10 minute plan.

Also how long should foundation be done for? I never understood breathing exercises in usage of time.

Also GitM this might sound retarded. But is it weird that I'm willing to wait 20 years for the Gods to return to teach me meditation. I don't know I just don't feel comfortable with meditation. I love meditation and all the spiritual stuff but I feel like it's just a mental curiosity to know about the World. Is that weird wanting help an extreme amount of help?

I feel like I have learned helplessness and I can't shake the lack of confidence.